If he had ticked the box marked "au pair" his visa would have been o.k

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..
Novax Djokovic getting deported on Thursday.
People around the World must think Aussies are nuts now that the Covid horse has bolted locally. This makes us look dumb.

Scomo doesn't care, he's trying to win an election.

Select to expand quote

myscreenname said..
Comedian, Paul McDermott documents his recent COVID experience on twitter.

mobile.twitter.com/YoungMasterPaul/status/1477857000755064835

This sort of stuff is good. Real accounts.

Select to expand quote

FormulaNova said..
This sort of stuff is good. Real accounts.

What's a bit odd about Paul's experience is that he doesn't mention what strain he got, maybe he doesn't know. Which doesn't surprise me as his partner had same symptoms, was positive, but tested negative.



They were tested when there were 2k cases per day in NSW and clearly health system wasn't coping then. Now there are 32K cases per day.

I hope everyone, including the unvaccinated, banging on this thread, get the mild version. Especially those in WA.

Select to expand quote

myscreenname said..
I hope everyone, including the unvaccinated, banging on this thread get the mild version, especially those in WA.

Awww you've included the unvaccinated... you're turning into a softy

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..
Awww you've included the unvaccinated... you're turning into a softy

I don't want to see our hospitals collapse because a minority of muttonheads refuse to follow national health advice.

60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

Health workers are the hero's in this. Those that refuse vaccinations, who spread false narratives on social media to advance their agenda are the problem.

Select to expand quote

myscreenname said..

Health workers are the hero's in this. Those that refuse vaccinations, who spread false narratives on social media to advance their agenda are the problem.

amen to that brother!

Select to expand quote

myscreenname said..
I don't want to see our hospitals collapse because a minority of muttonheads refuse to follow national health advice.

60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

Health workers are the hero's in this. Those that refuse vaccinations, who spread false narratives on social media to advance their agenda are the problem.

So an unvaxxed health worker is a muttonhead hero?

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..
So an unvaxxed health worker is a muttonhead hero?

All health workers are vaccinated in NSW.

www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/vaccine/Pages/healthcare-workers-mandatory-vaccination.aspx

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..

myscreenname said..
I don't want to see our hospitals collapse because a minority of muttonheads refuse to follow national health advice.

60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

Health workers are the hero's in this. Those that refuse vaccinations, who spread false narratives on social media to advance their agenda are the problem.

So an unvaxxed health worker is a muttonhead hero?

Yes he is. HERO

Specially if he is crying in the end of his shifts in WA (no Covid yet).

Think they are only crying cause they live locked in the state of WA.

Select to expand quote

theDoctor said..
rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html

Any wonder why Pfizer insisted on secrecy.

These guys prove irrefutably that not only do the inoculations actually do more harm but they do so utilising the Pfizer trial data.

Select to expand quote

FormulaNova said..

Yeah, nah. Despite everyone (me included) wanting it to be over, we don't know what the next 6 months holds. We could have a benign variant that gives us all a degree of protection and all subsequent variants are close enough that we all get off with something similar to the current flu. Or we could find a variant that is extremely devastating and takes out a lot of people.

We don't know. I am not making this happen. I am looking at possible outcomes.

Its easy for some people to sit back and say that some of these Premiers have done poor jobs, but whether you wanted the borders open or closed, they protected the people that they govern.

I have been listening to people in WA from day one saying that the borders should be opened, yet the economy here has been running well for most of that time and for most people its normal. I understand for some people that is a problem, but only a fool would have opened up straight away and ignored the negatives. It's a cheap shot to take aim at any of them now and criticise the way they handled it. Especially when there was no negative scenario that you had to deal with.

I get that people are worried about variants, however the natural progression of viruses is to become milder as they mutate more. This has been proven over and over again and follows logical evoloution theory. They believe the cold and flu viruses that go around now are variants of the spanish and black death viruses. Delta was less dangerous than Alpha and Omicron is very mild in comparison. Transmissability is up, but severity is way down.

You would do better to worry about a new Alpha strain coming from an animal or lab than variants of COVID 19. A strain like ebola or Hendra with airborne capability is the one that will rock the world and actually deserve a response like the one we have had.

The problem I have with all Government in Australia is that they had a plan for this. It was a sound plan based on solid data. It was thrown out in favour of popular opinion very early and from then on the whole thing has been driven by a government and media driven agenda of fear and response equals votes, not science.

We have not seen any major effects of COVID. We have seen significant effect and harm from government response and have not even scratched the surface of what we will have to pay in the future.

I have said it before and will say it again, the US, where COVID has been endemic for nearly 2 years, had a 15% increase in deaths at the worst times. 15% above normal background deaths. That seems bad, but it is not really all that significant.

Select to expand quote

Paradox said..

The problem I have with all Government in Australia is that they had a plan for this. It was a sound plan based on solid data. It was thrown out in favour of popular opinion very early and from then on the whole thing has been driven by a government and media driven agenda of fear and response equals votes, not science.

The world health organisation spent a lot of time and money preparing a pandemic preparedness plan well before Covid.

Dr Astrid Stuckleberger played a prominent role in that project. She has been quite vociferous regarding the fact that the plan that they put together was completely ignored and effectively sunk under the carpet.

Select to expand quote

japie said..

The world health organisation spent a lot of time and money preparing a pandemic preparedness plan well before Covid.

Dr Astrid Stuckleberger played a prominent role in that project. She has been quite vociferous regarding the fact that the plan that they put together was completely ignored and effectively sunk under the carpet.

Agreed. It is only states like Florida that have actually doggedly stuck near to what the plans said to do instead of bowing to fear and overreaction.

Anyone remember a few weeks to flatten the curve 18 months ago? That was in the plan, shutting state borders was not.

Select to expand quote

myscreenname said..
60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

71.04% of the total UK population are fully vaccinated.

Source: coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international


66.4% of hospitalisations in the UK are fully vaccinated.


Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf


Can someone explain to me with these numbers where the media gets figures like, "The unvaccinated are 20 times more likely to be hospitalised?"

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..
71.04% of the total UK population are fully vaccinated.

Source: coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international


66.4% of hospitalisations in the UK are fully vaccinated.


Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf


Can someone explain to me with these numbers where the media gets figures like, "The unvaccinated are 20 times more likely to be hospitalised?"

Cherry picking stats again. What's wrong with Australian statistics?

You need to sort out your issues with brain fog. This was explained to you a few pages ago, and you agreed that you got it wrong. 35 times more likely to be in ICU, from memory.

Hahaha, you are on the wrong side of history.

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..
You're right myscreenname, I just realised my mistake & was going to edit it but you beat me to it. Thanks for correcting it.

So I stand corrected, the correct numbers are;

Unvaccinated in ICU is 0.0085%
Vaccinated in ICU is 0.00024%

Unvaccinated not in ICU is 99.9915%
Vaccinated not in ICU is 99.99976%

"Unvaccinated are 35 times more likely to end up in ICU than vaccinated - their choice"
Fair enough.

Yes myscreenname that was NSW. I'm talking about UK.
The question I have is, how could the UK be so different to here?

Yes its true, its all a conspiracy, Pfizer, WHO, all world Govs. and the Chinese are all in on the the plan of world domination.
Wake up, you are all sheep but I am now awake and can see the truth...........dead people and......the matrix


Maybe I shouldnt of taken the red and the blue pill .

The latest out of the USA, where all the magical cures come from,
is that no one who has worn a crystal around their neck on a chain has caught covid............
How long till we see a crystal shortage in Aust. lol

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..
Yes myscreenname that was NSW. I'm talking about UK.
The question I have is, how could the UK be so different to here?

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..

myscreenname said..
60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

71.04% of the total UK population are fully vaccinated.

Source: coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international


66.4% of hospitalisations in the UK are fully vaccinated.


Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf


Can someone explain to me with these numbers where the media gets figures like, "The unvaccinated are 20 times more likely to be hospitalised?"

Those are Omicron numbers in the UK. They are interesting and are just one set of figures, but they suggest that it may well be that vaccination is not that effective against Omicron for severe disease, and it's just that Omicron is not particularly bad regardless of vaccination status. Maybe Omicron has a few surprises for us yet. I don't think I have heard of a severe case in Australia from Omicron where there were not other health issues contributing. I could be wrong on that though.

I think the stats show that there is a significant reduction in hospitalisation risk from vaccination for Alpha and possibly Delta. However bear in mind that COVID stats are skewed to those at risk. ie in a particular demographic it is those with co-morbidities that have a high risk of severe disease. Vaccination tends to protect those people most and so many are removed from the hospitalisations counts once vaccinated. This brings the whole demographic's hospitalisation stats down, but it may not represent the real benefit to a healthy person.

A true analysis of the stats would seperate those with comorbidities and those that do not and compare the benefit of vaccination of those two cohorts. I strongly suspect that it would be found that vaccination makes a massive difference to those with comorbidities and a much less reduction of risk to those that are otherwise healthy.

We need to wait until the NSW hospitalisations are all Omicron as currently many are still Delta, although hard to know for sure. I do know that the unvaccinated hospitalisation % was dropping singificantly up to Dec.

Select to expand quote

Paradox said..

Flying Dutchman said..

myscreenname said..
60% of those in ICU are unvaccinated.

71.04% of the total UK population are fully vaccinated.

Source: coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/international


66.4% of hospitalisations in the UK are fully vaccinated.


Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf


Can someone explain to me with these numbers where the media gets figures like, "The unvaccinated are 20 times more likely to be hospitalised?"

Those are Omicron numbers in the UK. They are interesting and are just one set of figures, but they suggest that it may well be that vaccination is not that effective against Omicron for severe disease, and it's just that Omicron is not particularly bad regardless of vaccination status. Maybe Omicron has a few surprises for us yet. I don't think I have heard of a severe case in Australia from Omicron where there were not other health issues contributing. I could be wrong on that though.

I think the stats show that there is a significant reduction in hospitalisation risk from vaccination for Alpha and possibly Delta. However bear in mind that COVID stats are skewed to those at risk. ie in a particular demographic it is those with co-morbidities that have a high risk of severe disease. Vaccination tends to protect those people most and so many are removed from the hospitalisations demographic once vaccinated. This brings the whole demographic's hospitalisation stats down, but it may not represent the real benefit to a healthy person.

A true analysis of the stats would seperate those with comorbidities and those that do not and compare the benefit of vaccination of those two cohorts. I strongly suspect that it would be found that vaccination makes a massive difference to those with comorbidities and a much less reduction of risk to those that are otherwise healthy.

We need to wait until the NSW hospitalisations are all Omicron as currently many are still Delta, although hard to know for sure. I do know that the unvaccinated hospitalisation % was dropping singificantly up to Dec.

Cheers Paradox!

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..

Cheers Paradox!

Queensland will be one to keep an eye on. No Delta here, all Omicron.

Today there are 12 people in ICU, 44k official cases, no deaths. Thats 0.03% ICU on official numbers.

Now the real question is how many actual cases are there? People are lining up all over the place trying to get tested and can't, has been that way for more than a week. Many don't care if they have minor symptoms, many have no symptoms. Alpha estimates were 2-3x official to real numbers. Omicron is way more transmissable and rapid. Could be 10x? 50x? in QLD right now.... those are not out there figures.

Stat excercise on todays figures with 12 ICU cases:

Cases ICU Risk Death risk
44k 0.03% 0%
440k 0.003% 0%
2.2 mill 0.0005% 0%

Influenza mortality risk for the whole population is around 0.03%. Thats mortality not ICU numbers. Omicron seems to be less severe than the flu just on official case numbers.

As I said, this is all over but no one wants to stop the machine so we can get off.

Select to expand quote

Paradox said..

Flying Dutchman said..

Cheers Paradox!

Queensland will be one to keep an eye on. No Delta here, all Omicron.

Today there are 12 people in ICU, 44k official cases, no deaths. Thats 0.03% ICU on official numbers.

Now the real question is how many actual cases are there? People are lining up all over the place trying to get tested and can't, has been that way for more than a week. Many don't care if they have minor symptoms, many have no symptoms. Alpha estimates were 2-3x official to real numbers. Omicron is way more transmissable and rapid. Could be 10x? 50x? in QLD right now.... those are not out there figures.

Stat excercise on todays figures with 12 ICU cases:

Cases ICU Risk Death risk
44k 0.03% 0%
440k 0.003% 0%
2.2 mill 0.0005% 0%

Influenza mortality risk for the whole population is around 0.03%. Thats mortality not ICU numbers. Omicron seems to be less severe than the flu just on official case numbers.

As I said, this is all over but no one wants to stop the machine so we can get off.

Yeah mate and 5-12 year olds will start getting jabbed on Monday. I feel sorry for the healthy kids getting jabbed I think it's a big mistake. Their risk from adverse reactions will probably outweigh the risk to them from Covid.

Select to expand quote

Paradox said..

I don't think I have heard of a severe case in Australia from Omicron where there were not other health issues contributing. I could be wrong on that though.

Yeah, I'd say it's the latter.

"Six people died from COVID in the latest reporting period including a man in his 20s from the ACT who had received two doses of a COVID vaccine and had no known underlying health conditions."

www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/nsw-records-34-994-covid-cases-and-six-deaths/100740744

Select to expand quote

myscreenname said..

"Six people died from COVID in the latest reporting period including a man in his 20s from the ACT who had received two doses of a COVID vaccine and had no known underlying health conditions."

What's the possibility his 2 vaccines contributed to his death?

Select to expand quote

Flying Dutchman said..
What's the possibility his 2 vaccines contributed to his death?

Nah, not going there, very tragic for his family.... I'll leave that question to experts - like yourself.

Select to expand quote

myscreenname said..

Flying Dutchman said..
So an unvaxxed health worker is a muttonhead hero?

All health workers are vaccinated in NSW.

www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/vaccine/Pages/healthcare-workers-mandatory-vaccination.aspx

All unvaxed health workers were either sacked or sent to camp to learn how to concentrate

Select to expand quote

myscreenname said..

Paradox said..

I don't think I have heard of a severe case in Australia from Omicron where there were not other health issues contributing. I could be wrong on that though.

Yeah, I'd say it's the latter.

"Six people died from COVID in the latest reporting period including a man in his 20s from the ACT who had received two doses of a COVID vaccine and had no known underlying health conditions."

www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/nsw-records-34-994-covid-cases-and-six-deaths/100740744

Highly unusual and an severe outlier for sure. Double vaxxed young man.

There is no mention it was Omicron though. I am sure the media would have been all over it if that was mentioned.