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Paradox said..

I don't think I have heard of a severe case in Australia from Omicron where there were not other health issues contributing. I could be wrong on that though.

Yeah, I'd say it's the latter.

"Six people died from COVID in the latest reporting period including a man in his 20s from the ACT who had received two doses of a COVID vaccine and had no known underlying health conditions."

www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/nsw-records-34-994-covid-cases-and-six-deaths/100740744

hmm "no known underlying".
I'd have to argue that by virtue of disease being systemic we most definitely know he had underlying health issues, not being able to name them presently could be the result of multiple variables.
Just another attempt to blur the line between virus and disease.

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Highly unusual and an severe outlier for sure. Double vaxxed young man.

There is no mention it was Omicron though. I am sure the media would have been all over it if that was mentioned.

Paul Mcdermott doesn't mention the strain either. Maybe they don't tell people the strain or don't know until later.

Maybe it's just a huge conspiracy that sociologists are using to study the posts of unvaccinated muttonheads on social media.

I just read Omicron is the most dominant strain in NSW. Which makes sense as three weeks ago daily cases were 200 per day. Now they are 35K plus.

mobile.twitter.com/YoungMasterPaul/status/1477857000755064835

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Paradox said..

I get that people are worried about variants, however the natural progression of viruses is to become milder as they mutate more. This has been proven over and over again and follows logical evoloution theory.

Explain smallpox then. It was around for thousands of years and kills about 30% of its hosts. I half saw something a few months ago that suggested it was a less lethal disease until some time in the last few centuries.
As long as women have plenty of kids it doesn't matter if a few diseases kill plenty of people. That's how evolution works

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psychojoe said..
I'd have to argue that by virtue of disease being systemic we most definitely know he had underlying health issues, not being able to name them presently could be the result of multiple variables.
Just another attempt to blur the line between virus and disease.

Turns out he was a former world class power lifter. Not saying he did steroids however it seems to be common in power lifting circles. Add in 2 vaccines known to cause heart inflammation in young men then add Covid on top.

^^^^ Coles have bamboo drinking straws on special atm,
if you are running out of ones to grasp.

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Mr Milk said..

Paradox said..

I get that people are worried about variants, however the natural progression of viruses is to become milder as they mutate more. This has been proven over and over again and follows logical evoloution theory.

Explain smallpox then. It was around for thousands of years and kills about 30% of its hosts. I half saw something a few months ago that suggested it was a less lethal disease until some time in the last few centuries.
As long as women have plenty of kids it doesn't matter if a few diseases kill plenty of people. That's how evolution works

Good explanation here. A worse strain is not impossible, just highly unlikely. I believe the smallpox theory is just that. Possible, but not confirmed.

"Because the goal of a virus is to survive, replicate, and spread, it tends to evolve toward being more infectious and less deadly. There are exceptions and other factors, but in general, says Auclair, that's what virologists expect to see occur with SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19."

news.northeastern.edu/2021/12/13/virus-evolution/

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I just read Omicron is the most dominant strain in NSW. Which makes sense as three weeks ago daily cases were 200 per day. Now they are 35K plus.

mobile.twitter.com/YoungMasterPaul/status/1477857000755064835

Logic would suggest that most cases are Omicron, but most severe illness is still Delta.

This from Deputy Chief Medical Officer 2 days ago certainly indicates that.

"Early evidence indicated that most Covid patients in intensive care had been infected with the Delta variant, she said, and a significant proportion had not been fully vaccinated or were suffering from other illnesses."

www.ndtv.com/world-news/australia-covid-news-australia-covid-cases-australia-omicron-cases-people-scramble-for-tests-as-australia-records-surge-in-omicron-cases-2687809

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Paradox said..

myscreenname said..

I just read Omicron is the most dominant strain in NSW. Which makes sense as three weeks ago daily cases were 200 per day. Now they are 35K plus.

mobile.twitter.com/YoungMasterPaul/status/1477857000755064835

Logic would suggest that most cases are Omicron, but most severe illness is still Delta.

This from Deputy Chief Medical Officer 2 days ago certainly indicates that.

"Early evidence indicated that most Covid patients in intensive care had been infected with the Delta variant, she said, and a significant proportion had not been fully vaccinated or were suffering from other illnesses."

www.ndtv.com/world-news/australia-covid-news-australia-covid-cases-australia-omicron-cases-people-scramble-for-tests-as-australia-records-surge-in-omicron-cases-2687809

So what happen to the previous strains before delta? That's what I'm curious about?

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So what happen to the previous strains before delta? That's what I'm curious about?

They've been outcompeted and replaced by more successful variations, although they may exist in isolated pockets somewhere.

And of course on the shelves at the labs.

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Explain smallpox then. It was around for thousands of years and kills about 30% of its hosts. I half saw something a few months ago that suggested it was a less lethal disease until some time in the last few centuries.
As long as women have plenty of kids it doesn't matter if a few diseases kill plenty of people. That's how evolution works

It's not a respiratory infection.

We went over all this months back, didn't we?

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Kamikuza said..

Mr Milk said..
Explain smallpox then. It was around for thousands of years and kills about 30% of its hosts. I half saw something a few months ago that suggested it was a less lethal disease until some time in the last few centuries.
As long as women have plenty of kids it doesn't matter if a few diseases kill plenty of people. That's how evolution works

It's not a respiratory infection.

We went over all this months back, didn't we?

So what if it's not respiratory. The proposal is that viruses evolve to get along in harmony with the host organism. Nothing about where it enters the body

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So what happen to the previous strains before delta? That's what I'm curious about?

Kamikuza is right. What happens is that a variant like Omicron pops up is that it replicates twice or 3 times as fast as say Delta. They both use the same receptors, so when they are in a host body they compete to replicate by binding to the hosts cells. If one variant is quicker and more effective at doing that then the other cannot replicate.

Add in higher transmissability and it dominates and drives out the others.

Omicron is quick to replicate and so quicker to peak viral load and quicker to pass on. All other variants not only can't compete in the same host, they increasingly find it hard to find a new host as Omicron has been there already and antibodies make it harder to infect.

Paul McDermott will do/say anything for attention
however, the conspiracy in that story was calling him a comedian

This is why some French doctors are saying let Omni go. Lucky it came along and stopped another wave of Delta that had started. Some doctors are even saying the 3rd jab or booster is a waist of time. Your probably going to get Omni. You might even be better off with antibodies from Omni than vaccinated? Lots of people here with 3 doses still getting Omni. Would it be worse if you were not vaccinated? The doctors here are saying Omni dosnt get deep into the lungs like Delta and cause Pneumonia or tissue damage etc.
Macron has said he will make life difficult for the unvaccinated and you are not a responsible person if you don't get vaccinated. He pretty much said your life will be **** if you don't get vaccinated. A bit harsh!
Over 300 000 cases a day now in France!
Who knows? Obviously it ain't over yet. As people have posted there is a new variant in France too. Wait and see what happens with that.
They do lots of testing in the sewage here. They get a good idea of what variants are where and when things increase or decrease. They don't seem to act on the info though???

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I get that people are worried about variants, however the natural progression of viruses is to become milder as they mutate more. This has been proven over and over again and follows logical evoloution theory. They believe the cold and flu viruses that go around now are variants of the spanish and black death viruses. Delta was less dangerous than Alpha and Omicron is very mild in comparison. Transmissability is up, but severity is way down.

I used to think this too, that viruses evolve into milder forms, but it seems that its not true. They do not always do this. What worries me is that treatment, including vaccination, upsets this natural progression.

Purely from a scientific point of view, if patients are treated, it may be that a worse variant can become the dominant strain. If you let the virus kill everyone that it can, then it will most likely evolve into a mild form as it kills off its hosts for the aggressive versions and only leaves the milder versions to flourish in the population.

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It is only states like Florida that have actually doggedly stuck near to what the plans said to do instead of bowing to fear and overreaction.

Florida's deaths from COVID per capita seems very high, in the top ten of the 52 US States.

What evidence are you using to suggest they handled the outbreak better than any other US state.

www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

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Paradox said..
Good explanation here. A worse strain is not impossible, just highly unlikely. I believe the smallpox theory is just that. Possible, but not confirmed.

"Because the goal of a virus is to survive, replicate, and spread, it tends to evolve toward being more infectious and less deadly. There are exceptions and other factors, but in general, says Auclair, that's what virologists expect to see occur with SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19."

news.northeastern.edu/2021/12/13/virus-evolution/

This might have made sense a thousand or more years ago when a deadly virus could have wiped out a small and isolated population, however, I don't see that it would be so relevant today. With the present world population density and modern travel, a deadly virus would have plenty of opportunities to keep circulating amongst the population long before it runs out of potential hosts.

I think we're just lucky if there happens to be a variant that is more contagious while having less severe symptoms that could effectively give people immunity.

One of the best interviews I've seen. Worth watching
www.bitchute.com/video/6wfB0BRtmjOs/

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Paradox said..
It is only states like Florida that have actually doggedly stuck near to what the plans said to do instead of bowing to fear and overreaction.

Florida's deaths from COVID per capita seems very high, in the top ten of the 52 US States.

What evidence are you using to suggest they handled the outbreak better than any other US state.

www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Hang on. The US has 52 states now?!

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Hang on. The US has 52 states now?!

It must have been berley for farkwits. That facebook group who deleted you must be missing your input.

I can't remember where Mr. Milk posted about synthesizing vitamin K2 for vegans. Surely it was this thread, the new general everything thread. Can't find it in any medical journals and I'm wondering which menaquinone they've achieved.

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Kamikuza said..

Mr Milk said..
Explain smallpox then. It was around for thousands of years and kills about 30% of its hosts. I half saw something a few months ago that suggested it was a less lethal disease until some time in the last few centuries.
As long as women have plenty of kids it doesn't matter if a few diseases kill plenty of people. That's how evolution works

It's not a respiratory infection.

We went over all this months back, didn't we?

So what if it's not respiratory. The proposal is that viruses evolve to get along in harmony with the host organism. Nothing about where it enters the body

It's about where it resides, and the traits of the virus.

Some viruses tend to deescalate themselves as they spread. Better?

Get ready for round 4 & 5 jabs this year yew!

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myscreenname said..

Paradox said..
It is only states like Florida that have actually doggedly stuck near to what the plans said to do instead of bowing to fear and overreaction.

Florida's deaths from COVID per capita seems very high, in the top ten of the 52 US States.

What evidence are you using to suggest they handled the outbreak better than any other US state.

www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

If you look at population density, Florida is right behind New York and higher than tenth place, so has performed better -- without relying on crippling lockdowns and other pointless mandates.

Even AOC thinks so.

I know you just make stuff up to fit your narrative, but for the sake of any sane people still reading this, Florida has consistently performed worse than the US average and has always been in the top 10 for cases and deaths (per capita as well as outright).

Even in the most generous reading of the data, 85% of US states are doing better than Florida.

data.jacksonville.com/coronavirus-curve/florida/12/united-states/00/

www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2022/01/03/covid-florida-omicron-list-states-virus-spreading-fastest/9076265002/

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psychojoe said..
I can't remember where Mr. Milk posted about synthesizing vitamin K2 for vegans. Surely it was this thread, the new general everything thread. Can't find it in any medical journals and I'm wondering which menaquinone they've achieved.

False memories created by an alien visitation perhaps?
Maybe you're referring to the link I gave you a few days ago to Impossible Foods technique for synthesising heme from soy via fungus and fermentation

impossiblefoods.com/au-en/heme

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Kamikuza said..

Mr Milk said..

Kamikuza said..

Mr Milk said..
Explain smallpox then. It was around for thousands of years and kills about 30% of its hosts. I half saw something a few months ago that suggested it was a less lethal disease until some time in the last few centuries.
As long as women have plenty of kids it doesn't matter if a few diseases kill plenty of people. That's how evolution works

It's not a respiratory infection.

We went over all this months back, didn't we?

So what if it's not respiratory. The proposal is that viruses evolve to get along in harmony with the host organism. Nothing about where it enters the body

It's about where it resides, and the traits of the virus.

Some viruses tend to deescalate themselves as they spread. Better?

It's still conjecture

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lotofwind said..
^^^^ Coles have bamboo drinking straws on special atm,
if you are running out of ones to grasp.

Most serious power lifters do roids.

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Flying Dutchman said..
I like how you think power lifters are roid free athletes.

Is making up stories and having fun at the expense of the dead helping your mate with the dicky chest?