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Today I asked if the trial doc will advocate for my exemption from the mandate, let that sink in.

Okay, I am curious. Is this supposed to mean something? Is it in code?

You asked a doctor to ask that you be exempted from a mandate to be vaccinated/booster vaccinated? Is that a big deal? How is that going to sink in?

Pretty damn unlucky that you reacted to a trial vaccine that you were really against from at the start. Would you have been better off with any of the 'standard' ones? Is there anyway to know this anyway?

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I don't think it's a particularly easy time for anyone in government right now

Yeah, I really feel for the poor people who chose to do that job and be well paid for it, regardless of how badly they mess everything up. Must be really tough...

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Flying Dutchman said..
I'm not suggesting you don't vaccinate anyone. As I've said multiple times during this thread, protect the vulnerable. Any one under 65 in good health the risks are low.

I bet of the 54 people in ICU, 80-100% of them had some underlying health issues.

I'll say it once more so there's no misunderstanding;

If you have underlying health conditions and/or are over 65 & are worried then you might want to consider getting jabbed.

In the hypothetical that no one got vaccinated, you'd have 0 vaccine injuries like Harrow's sister & my mates.

Sure, but how does any government communicate that? There is so much confusion and panic now with only a few guidelines! Imagine communicating that... bugger all would be doing the right thing, and jumping down rabbit holes like yourself. You don't want to get vaxxed.. Don't, your choice!!

It's a balancing act on a virus we are still struggling with. Anti vaxxers are the problem, disseminating false information they regurgitate from Facebook, using unsubstantiated claims and cherry picking what muttonheads and activists say to further their own personal agenda.

If you don't get that, you have been sold a lemon and have far bigger issues than this virus.

Look at stats. 35 times more likely to be in ICU if you are unvaccinated..

Far easier for govt to tell everyone to get vaccinated. The vaccines are very low risk and it's all about not overwhelming hospitals. That's been a constant message.

This is a war that came out of China.

Man someone's been listening to the ..

"disseminating false information they regurgitate from Facebook, using unsubstantiated claims and cherry picking what muttonheads and activists say to further their own personal agenda.. This is a war that came out of China".

there is has been just as much dissemination of false information (and cencorship) if not more on the the pro vaccination narrative. And it continues on its merry way with the mandated booster shot. Next will come social credit score limitations.. You may laugh that off but it will happen If we keep giving these knuckle head power crazy pollies the green light.

That's why we are having these discussions. Trying to work through all the BS that's been shoved in our faces that has no scientific support whatsoever.

26,000,000/79,000 = 1 in 329

That's a lot of dragons.

We need ZDoggMD to investigate.

that compensation scheme is another insult. Unfortunately the money comes from our pockets anyway.

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Yeah, I really feel for the poor people who chose to do that job and be well paid for it, regardless of how badly they mess everything up. Must be really tough...

Dont you mean those people YOU voted for.

I don't think any country is handling the pandemic in an ideal way.

Which country would you rather be in, which government is handling the pandemic the better and why?

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26,000,000/79,000 = 1 in 329

That's a lot of dragons.

We need ZDoggMD to investigate.

Ahh, I see it. You need a news report to understand the data. Otherwise it's just 'waffle'. That ZdoggMD guy has his work cut out for him. He needs to have enough information to actually refute the points, but not so much that an anti-vaxxer (not that everyone is one) can understand them. Can you have both, as it sounds like they are mutually exclusive?

This report in November suggests that there were 85,000 adverse affects. www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-12-2021

Where "the most frequently reported side effects suspected to be associated with the vaccines include injection-site reactions, such as a sore arm, headache, muscle and joint pain, fever and chills."

Anyone can report an issue, even anonymously.

" In Australia, myocarditis is reported in 1-2 out of every 100,000 people after receiving the Comirnaty (Pfizer) vaccine. While it is more commonly reported in young men and teenage boys after the second dose (6-11 cases in 100,000 people), it remains rare."

"Myocarditis is seen much more commonly in people who become infected with COVID-19 than in people who are vaccinated. A preliminary study from the United States(link is external) found the rate of myocarditis in young men after COVID-19 is approximately 45 cases per 100,000 infections. It is important to note that this study has not yet been peer-reviewed."

It's good for everyone to hear about these issues. It is also important that you don't get it wrong so that your argument becomes so weak that no one listens.

Are these figures from the TGA wrong? If so, why are they publishing wrong figures?

P.S. you did actually realise that the 79,000 figure in that news piece was for 'adverse affects' didn't you and not pericarditis or myocarditis? I would have assumed so, but now I am not so sure.

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I don't think any country is handling the pandemic in an ideal way.

Ironically there was a WHO pandemic preparedness plan which took quite a lot of time and effort to develop.

Dr Asterid Stuckelberger is an expert in public health who worked on it. She is also a whistleblower.

You should have a listen to her describing how all of their work was totally ignored.

There is a big knob university in the United States that did research on the vaccine adverse events system which demonstrated that only between one and 10% vaccine adverse events are actually reported.

So yes the figures will be wrong.

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There is a big knob university in the United States that did research on the vaccine adverse events system which demonstrated that only between one and 10% vaccine adverse events are actually reported.

So yes the figures will be wrong.

Are we talking about the USA now. What are their adverse finding figures? What do their adverse findings include? How are they reported?

'they will be wrong' is an ambit claim. Are they under-reported? Over-reported? No doubt they will be 'wrong'.

I would hope that here in Australia that the minute a GP or ER doctor finds an adverse reaction that they report it. Plus, here, in Aus, you can call in and report it yourself. Hopefully they match patient records, otherwise the data is less than garbage. I would prefer they over-report them than under-report them though.

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japie said..
There is a big knob university in the United States that did research on the vaccine adverse events system which demonstrated that only between one and 10% vaccine adverse events are actually reported.

So yes the figures will be wrong.

Are we talking about the USA now. What are their adverse finding figures? What do their adverse findings include? How are they reported?

'they will be wrong' is an ambit claim. Are they under-reported? Over-reported? No doubt they will be 'wrong'.

I would hope that here in Australia that the minute a GP or ER doctor finds an adverse reaction that they report it. Plus, here, in Aus, you can call in and report it yourself. Hopefully they match patient records, otherwise the data is less than garbage. I would prefer they over-report them than under-report them though.

We're talking about vaccine adverse events reporting systems. I made the point that the one in the United States is estimated to report only between one and 10% of adverse effects that take place there.

The yellow card system in the United Kingdom is similarly faulty.

it's safe enough to assume that the Australian one would follow the same trend And in fact they're more than a handful of nurses who had the courage to stand up and criticise the system.

Not widely reported on the mainstream media though funnily enough.

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FormulaNova said..

japie said..
There is a big knob university in the United States that did research on the vaccine adverse events system which demonstrated that only between one and 10% vaccine adverse events are actually reported.

So yes the figures will be wrong.

Are we talking about the USA now. What are their adverse finding figures? What do their adverse findings include? How are they reported?

'they will be wrong' is an ambit claim. Are they under-reported? Over-reported? No doubt they will be 'wrong'.

I would hope that here in Australia that the minute a GP or ER doctor finds an adverse reaction that they report it. Plus, here, in Aus, you can call in and report it yourself. Hopefully they match patient records, otherwise the data is less than garbage. I would prefer they over-report them than under-report them though.

We're talking about vaccine adverse events reporting systems. I made the point that the one in the United States is estimated to report only between one and 10% of adverse effects that take place there.

The yellow card system in the United Kingdom is similarly faulty.

it's safe enough to assume that the Australian one would follow the same trend And in fact they're more than a handful of nurses who had the courage to stand up and criticise the system.

Not widely reported on the mainstream media though funnily enough.

Sorry then, I was referring to the video posted, and the implied 'data' in it. Not the reporting systems for any other system anywhere else in the world, controlled by anyone else, with who knows what controls.

Yep, that mainstream media. Its only good when it suits. You would hope they fix that up some time soon.

I do hope that the heart related problems HERE are reported accurately or at least over-reported.

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" In Australia, myocarditis is reported in 1-2 out of every 100,000 people after receiving the Comirnaty (Pfizer) vaccine. While it is more commonly reported in young men and teenage boys after the second dose (6-11 cases in 100,000 people), it remains rare."

"Myocarditis is seen much more commonly in people who become infected with COVID-19 than in people who are vaccinated. A preliminary study from the United States(link is external) found the rate of myocarditis in young men after COVID-19 is approximately 45 cases per 100,000 infections. It is important to note that this study has not yet been peer-reviewed."

These figures sound about right. The risk to male teenagers from the second vaccination is quite high. about 1 in10,000 as this highlights. Also noting that viral myocarditis from COVID is generally quite mild and a minor symptom among others. Generally not serious enough to warrant hospitalisation. Myocarditis from the vaccine has a 95% hospitalistion rate, so just comparing numbers is not a good comparision.

You need to compare hospitalisations and the rate of hospitalisation for healthy boys for COVID symptoms is 1 in 50,000 or lower. Add in a first dose of moderna and that drops even more.

The risks are low, but teenage boys should not be given a second vaccine dose based on those hospitalistion rates.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

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I do hope that the heart related problems HERE are reported accurately or at least over-reported.

They aren't being accurately reported. My two friends who got pericarditis within days of their second jab went to their doctors & both of them had the same experience. Both Doctors refused to admit that the vaccines caused their issue. I bet there are thousands & thousands of people out there with a similar story.

Medical practitioners are being threatened with prosecution by APHRA (Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency) if they criticise anything about the vaccines on their social media channels. It's disgraceful.


Source:www.ahpra.gov.au/documents/default.aspx?record=WD21/30751&dbid=AP&chksum=zrOQ56xJaaLbasNxLDyqMA%3d%3d

How many times do we have to go through this. Its really easy to report.

www.tga.gov.au/reporting-suspected-side-effects-associated-covid-19-vaccine

health departments and governments are not grand conspiracies. Their best interest is a population that is not using healthcare facilities and are out working and paying tax.

They save money and time by people not being sick. If 95% of people with pericarditis are being hospitalised and they are 1 in 10,000 of vaccinations cause them then you can be pretty certain that something will be done about it. Same as AZ with blood clots.

if you are suffering from myocarditis etc i'm sorry, that sucks. it is a known side effect of mRNA vaccines and the incidence of these conditions for covid vaccines are much the same as what came out of the clinical trials from the last ten years of these vaccines and in all research from these studies it resolves within 12 months (which is one of the reasons this was considered an acceptable side effect).

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Which country would you rather be in, which government is handling the pandemic the better and why?

I am going to go with Florida. They did the initial lockdown to flatten the curve, spent a heap to get hospitals ready and protect the vulnerable and then removed restrictions and let people handle the pandamic however they thought best.

Florida had the initial surge of cases and deaths, but the hospitals coped. They got a lot of flack becuase their tolls were initially higher than the lockdown states. But once the first spike went through it all dropped off, the businesses and economy quickly recovered and all went back to normal while many states just stopped and suffered. Overall thier covid deaths were no different to those who locked down and mandated everything, it was just quicker.

They are now the powerhouse of the US economically with jobs and the economy growing 3 times the national average. They merely did what every gov said they were going to do initally, lockdown to flatten the curve then get on with it.

There will eventually be studies done on the cost to health and economies due to lockdowns and restrictions. I have no doubt the cost will be a lot more than what we saved, we just haven't paid it yet.

FormulaNova thought I'd let you know.

Robert Malone is going on Joe Rogan tomorrow. Probably published a few days after.

Today Twitter shut down Malone's Twitter account with half a million followers.

ZDoggMD will be frothing to make a new video to discredit another 'anti-vaxxer'.

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FormulaNova said..
I do hope that the heart related problems HERE are reported accurately or at least over-reported.

They aren't being accurately reported. My two friends who got pericarditis within days of their second jab went to their doctors & both of them had the same experience. Both Doctors refused to admit that the vaccines caused their issue. I bet there are thousands & thousands of people out there with a similar story.

Medical practitioners are being threatened with prosecution by APHRA (Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency) if they criticise anything about the vaccines on their social media channels. It's disgraceful.


Source:www.ahpra.gov.au/documents/default.aspx?record=WD21/30751&dbid=AP&chksum=zrOQ56xJaaLbasNxLDyqMA%3d%3d

I know a young police woman that's NOW paralysed from the neck down in icu the day after she got the jab and a few mates in there 50s now have ongoing heart problems the day after the jab... the doctor ruled it out being stress related.!

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southace..
I know a young police woman that's NOW paralysed from the neck down in icu the day after she got the jab and a few mates in there 50s now have ongoing heart problems the day after the jab... the doctor ruled it out being stress related.!

Don't tell FormulaNova or myscreenname.

They'll label you an Anti-Vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

Hope they get better mate.

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Paradox said..
There will eventually be studies done on the cost to health and economies due to lockdowns and restrictions. I have no doubt the cost will be a lot more than what we saved, we just haven't paid it yet.

Thanks, interesting info. Will read up some more about Florida and how it panned out. I think Sweeden, initially also had a policy of just let it rip.

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Don't tell FormulaNova or myscreenname.

I don't doubt the stories, but what I do doubt is that this is a conspiracy. When I got my moderna jab yesterday I was asked all sorts questions about it.

Even channel seven covered it and Government is giving compensation to sufferers. CH3MTR4IL5 is on the money.

The truth is coming out.

Do you guys feel it's now time to "let it rip" and get on with it ? I do - and I have an immuno compromisers son, whose double vaxed - but I'm seriously against these bloody booster shots for him. Well I'm against any mandates to be honest - especially as they have held many of our jobs as ransom. That's scary - the start of 1984 sh1t.

what do guys think on that ?


im kinda with chemtrails on this - and Infact it's how Peter McCollogh sees it. No grand conspiracy, a government wants a healthy workforce, just incompetence of the system as a whole dealing with rapidly evolving information data and not acting accordingly. We are still running around with these proven totally ineffective masks for instance.

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I don't doubt the stories, but what I do doubt is that this is a conspiracy.

I don't think it's a conspiracy either, it's incompetency.

You don't doubt the stories?
Didn't you post the video about 'The Dragon in the Garage'?
You've had a change of heart?

I don't understand why they are announcing we are all going to get it but we need to protect our self's with masks , gloves and jabs! Why don't we scrap that and all just get a dose of Covid as they are announcing we will All get it? ??

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I don't understand why they are announcing we are all going to get it but we need to protect our self's with masks , gloves and jabs! Why don't we scrap that and all just get a dose of Covid as they are announcing we will All get it? ??

It's called incompetency.

The 5-11 year old kids are next.


Source:www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/media/tga-provisionally-approves-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-for-5-to-11-year-olds

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eppo said..
im kinda with chemtrails on this - and Infact it's how Peter McCollogh sees it. No grand conspiracy, a government wants a healthy workforce, just incompetence of the system as a whole dealing with rapidly evolving information data and not acting accordingly. We are still running around with these proven totally ineffective masks for instance.

Did we listen to the same podcast by Peter McCullough? He sure does seem to think its a conspiracy. He skirts around it a few times and doesn't come out and state exactly what he believes. He even alludes to it being good for the Aryan race or words to that effect.

He goes on about how you can treat the virus before it becomes Covid, and then he gets Covid himself. Surely someone so sure about Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine would be able to prevent it himself?

McCullough seems to argue against everything that is not his target of pretreatment.

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Flying Dutchman said..
26,000,000/79,000 = 1 in 329

That's a lot of dragons.

We need ZDoggMD to investigate.

Ahh, I see it. You need a news report to understand the data. Otherwise it's just 'waffle'. That ZdoggMD guy has his work cut out for him. He needs to have enough information to actually refute the points, but not so much that an anti-vaxxer (not that everyone is one) can understand them. Can you have both, as it sounds like they are mutually exclusive?

This report in November suggests that there were 85,000 adverse affects. www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-12-2021

Where "the most frequently reported side effects suspected to be associated with the vaccines include injection-site reactions, such as a sore arm, headache, muscle and joint pain, fever and chills."

Anyone can report an issue, even anonymously.

" In Australia, myocarditis is reported in 1-2 out of every 100,000 people after receiving the Comirnaty (Pfizer) vaccine. While it is more commonly reported in young men and teenage boys after the second dose (6-11 cases in 100,000 people), it remains rare."

"Myocarditis is seen much more commonly in people who become infected with COVID-19 than in people who are vaccinated. A preliminary study from the United States(link is external) found the rate of myocarditis in young men after COVID-19 is approximately 45 cases per 100,000 infections. It is important to note that this study has not yet been peer-reviewed."

It's good for everyone to hear about these issues. It is also important that you don't get it wrong so that your argument becomes so weak that no one listens.

Are these figures from the TGA wrong? If so, why are they publishing wrong figures?

P.S. you did actually realise that the 79,000 figure in that news piece was for 'adverse affects' didn't you and not pericarditis or myocarditis? I would have assumed so, but now I am not so sure.

Wow, you must do a lot of mental gymnastics to believe that the diseased 85yo with a Covid reaction bears any weight against a 16yo getting a vax reaction. It's right there in your own post.

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southace..
I know a young police woman that's NOW paralysed from the neck down in icu the day after she got the jab and a few mates in there 50s now have ongoing heart problems the day after the jab... the doctor ruled it out being stress related.!

Don't tell FormulaNova or myscreenname.

They'll label you an Anti-Vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

Hope they get better mate.

For a non-conspiracy theorist, you seem to have a lot of the same data at your fingertips and the same inability to understand "waffle" when it suits you.

You started out so well, and then started posting up the same repertoire of CT stuff.

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FormulaNova said..

Flying Dutchman said..
26,000,000/79,000 = 1 in 329

That's a lot of dragons.

We need ZDoggMD to investigate.

Ahh, I see it. You need a news report to understand the data. Otherwise it's just 'waffle'. That ZdoggMD guy has his work cut out for him. He needs to have enough information to actually refute the points, but not so much that an anti-vaxxer (not that everyone is one) can understand them. Can you have both, as it sounds like they are mutually exclusive?

This report in November suggests that there were 85,000 adverse affects. www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-12-2021

Where "the most frequently reported side effects suspected to be associated with the vaccines include injection-site reactions, such as a sore arm, headache, muscle and joint pain, fever and chills."

Anyone can report an issue, even anonymously.

" In Australia, myocarditis is reported in 1-2 out of every 100,000 people after receiving the Comirnaty (Pfizer) vaccine. While it is more commonly reported in young men and teenage boys after the second dose (6-11 cases in 100,000 people), it remains rare."

"Myocarditis is seen much more commonly in people who become infected with COVID-19 than in people who are vaccinated. A preliminary study from the United States(link is external) found the rate of myocarditis in young men after COVID-19 is approximately 45 cases per 100,000 infections. It is important to note that this study has not yet been peer-reviewed."

It's good for everyone to hear about these issues. It is also important that you don't get it wrong so that your argument becomes so weak that no one listens.

Are these figures from the TGA wrong? If so, why are they publishing wrong figures?

P.S. you did actually realise that the 79,000 figure in that news piece was for 'adverse affects' didn't you and not pericarditis or myocarditis? I would have assumed so, but now I am not so sure.

Wow, you must do a lot of mental gymnastics to believe that the diseased 85yo with a Covid reaction bears any weight against a 16yo getting a vax reaction. It's right there in your own post.

WTF are you talking about? Is there a different conversation that I am not hearing? Is there a parallel universe and I am getting half of the words?

What 85 year old with Covid? What 16 year old? What are you on about?

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Flying Dutchman said..

southace..
I know a young police woman that's NOW paralysed from the neck down in icu the day after she got the jab and a few mates in there 50s now have ongoing heart problems the day after the jab... the doctor ruled it out being stress related.!

Don't tell FormulaNova or myscreenname.

They'll label you an Anti-Vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

Hope they get better mate.

For a non-conspiracy theorist, you seem to have a lot of the same data at your fingertips and the same inability to understand "waffle" when it suits you.

You started out so well, and then started posting up the same repertoire of CT stuff.

What same repertoire of CT stuff am I posting?

If you go back to my first posts in this thread I never mention conspiracy. I said it was incompetency.