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kiterboy said..
Yay!
Let's mandate for a third time the very thing that didn't work the first two times.

'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.'

I tend to agree, I find this response from WA to Omnicron and the national emergency meeting to combat it bizarre.

Gunna have to get my chest pains looked at sooner or later, mainly at rest chest feels a bit tight and find myself wanting to breath deep, but went body-surfing yesterday only lasted a third of the time I usually go for.
Wife had horrible vertigo after 2nd jab, tried reporting it on TGA site, went around in a never ending circle....and she gave up.
Massive ground swell in my circles of parents of my kids friends who are pissed off with the govt', around the vax and the restrictions and a real sentiment that the govt' cant be trusted.
I've had enough of being a political football.

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kiterboy said..
Yay!
Let's mandate for a third time the very thing that didn't work the first two times.

'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.'

I tend to agree, I find this response from WA to Omnicron and the national emergency meeting to combat it bizarre.

It is down and out ridiculously stupid and beyond logic.

And to confirm, there is a massive conspiracy going one. It's the only conspiracy that drives everything - the need to gather as much wealth as possible, by any means, at the expense of the general public.

If any of you think that the pollies and their 'top health advisers' aren't making serious kick-back bank from all of this, you are seriously deluded.
The only thing is, what they are getting is chump change to the squillions the pharma-machine, who is paying them, is making of all of this.

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It is down and out ridiculously stupid and beyond logic.

And to confirm, there is a massive conspiracy going one. It's the only conspiracy that drives everything - the need to gather as much wealth as possible, by any means, at the expense of the general public.

If any of you think that the pollies and their 'top health advisers' aren't making serious kick-back bank from all of this, you are seriously deluded.
The only thing is, what they are getting is chump change to the squillions the pharma-machine, who is paying them, is making of all of this.

Nah, it's just knee-jerk. WA has done ok putting virus off until more is known. But my feeling is, they and the rest of Australia, just have to take the plunge and let it rip. NSW and Vic are close to fully vaxed. Omicron has thrown us a massive curveball. Mandating boosters now doesn't sound right. I suspect most who are vaxxed will get the booster.

No doubt some are making big money, but government is us. And to much of a stretch to say this event was planned.

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myscreenname said..

kiterboy said..
Yay!
Let's mandate for a third time the very thing that didn't work the first two times.

'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.'

I tend to agree, I find this response from WA to Omnicron and the national emergency meeting to combat it bizarre.

It is down and out ridiculously stupid and beyond logic.

And to confirm, there is a massive conspiracy going one. It's the only conspiracy that drives everything - the need to gather as much wealth as possible, by any means, at the expense of the general public.

If any of you think that the pollies and their 'top health advisers' aren't making serious kick-back bank from all of this, you are seriously deluded.
The only thing is, what they are getting is chump change to the squillions the pharma-machine, who is paying them, is making of all of this.

it's not quite so cut and dry.
There's a few demographics that will benefit from jabs every four months; type 2, hypertension, nursing home, smokers, SSRI, we all know them by now, but for the rest of us it's a bad move.
the jabs are based on wild type Wuhan which become less effective as variants become further removed from the original because the immune system takes longer to react which leaves one open to disease development for longer

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psychojoe said..
it's not quite so cut and dry.
There's a few demographics that will benefit from jabs every four months; type 2, hypertension, nursing home, smokers, SSRI, we all know them by now, but for the rest of us it's a bad move.
the jabs are based on wild type Wuhan which become less effective as variants become further removed from the original because the immune system takes longer to react which leaves one open to disease development for longer

Suck it up, because that's what the 'Rolf Harris' state is going to do.

In NSW we don't make a distinction about unvaccinated. 95% did the work for you to complain about them.

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No doubt some are making big money, but government is us. And to much of a stretch to say this event was planned.

Who is to say if this whole thing was planned or not. Maybe one day will see the outing of any proof of what ever part of this people think was planned.

The one glaring thing is though, is that this situation is being massively capitalized on to make as much money as possible for those who would stand to make the most.
ie - the pharmaceuticals.
Mandates are being made for experimental treatments, holding hostage people's sources of income, their families and civil liberties.

Experimental treatments that are dubious in their efficacy and necessity for the majority of the population, especially children.

Experimental treatments that for everyday they have been released, more and more backtracking has been done on their efficacy and effectiveness.

Experimental treatments that are being mandated to stop the new flavour variant, three times removed from what they were developed for, that isn't stopping it coming into the country via 'vaccinated' travelers.

Experimental treatments that are seeing more and more 'extremely very rare' side effects, that can often have long term health effects, tissue scarring from myocarditis & pericarditis can shorten life spans, becoming more and more common.

Experimental treatments that have absolutely no long term data on health effects, which if any are more than likely 'extremely very rare', like myocarditis and pericarditis was...

The government are not us. They do not see themselves as 'us'. They vote for the removal of our privacies, but retain them for themselves, among many other disparities.

The pollies are being played and in turn they are playing us to feed their pockets.

No, you're right, we need to think about the vulnerable people...funny how no-one was giving a crap about the vulnerable people in the past few years and before when 4000+ of them were dying in Australia each year from the flu.

I have this theory that if there are two posts in a row from the same person on the same thread, they are nuts.

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I have this theory that if there are two posts in a row from the same person on the same thread, they are nuts.

I feel proud to be part of your club then.

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BlueMoon said..
Massive ground swell in my circles of parents of my kids friends who are pissed off with the govt', around the vax and the restrictions and a real sentiment that the govt' cant be trusted.
I've had enough of being a political football.

I have seen the same. There are those that support vaccines, have happily assessed the risks and gratefully taken the jab, but strongly oppose the mandates, restrictions and medical aparthied some Gov's are forcing. Government overreach, outright lies, and the move to an authoritarian style stance has alarmed a lot of people irrespective of thier mainstream political views.

People are well past over it.

What you will see next election is a minority gov, whoever gets in. Balance of power will be with the massive amount of seats taken off both the majors by the independents and smaller parties.

I see Clive and Pauline will continue to gain support from both sides and huge inroads are being made by the Liberal Democrats on the traditional Liberal voters. The Lib Dems are well organised and have thier policies crystal clear, worth a look.

www.ldp.org.au/freedom

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Gunna have to get my chest pains looked at sooner or later, mainly at rest chest feels a bit tight and find myself wanting to breath deep, but went body-surfing yesterday only lasted a third of the time I usually go for.
Wife had horrible vertigo after 2nd jab, tried reporting it on TGA site, went around in a never ending circle....and she gave up.
Massive ground swell in my circles of parents of my kids friends who are pissed off with the govt', around the vax and the restrictions and a real sentiment that the govt' cant be trusted.
I've had enough of being a political football.

didn't you get a link to report on ausvax? I think i got a text and an email at day 1, 3, 7, 2 weeks and 5 weeks for my 2 shots and booster. Click, takes about a minute.

infogram.com/1pj5gkerjdemgpt6zlvmwr5p91bm0k3d6xw
work mate had AZ shot, had convulsions and fever, after he filled it out the health dept called him and got him in for specialist tests and whatnot. Seemed pretty easy.

Is it just me but my antivax mates seem to know quite a few people that have had heart issues from their Vax, yet I've not heard of one person in my "vaxed" circle of friends (or their friends) that has had any issue with it.

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Is it just me but my antivax mates seem to know quite a few people that have had heart issues from their Vax, yet I've not heard of one person in my "vaxed" circle of friends (or their friends) that has had any issue with it.

based on my own condition I'm starting to think everyone gets it but most don't notice it
This isn't a well prepared analogy; if I reduced the fuel flow by 5% on an 86 corolla I doubt you'd notice but if I did the same to an F1 engine it'd be apparent in the next race.
Are your friends all 86 Corollas?

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Is it just me but my antivax mates seem to know quite a few people that have had heart issues from their Vax, yet I've not heard of one person in my "vaxed" circle of friends (or their friends) that has had any issue with it.

You mustn't have very many friends.

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BlueMoon said..
Gunna have to get my chest pains looked at sooner or later, mainly at rest chest feels a bit tight and find myself wanting to breath deep, but went body-surfing yesterday only lasted a third of the time I usually go for.
Wife had horrible vertigo after 2nd jab, tried reporting it on TGA site, went around in a never ending circle....and she gave up.
Massive ground swell in my circles of parents of my kids friends who are pissed off with the govt', around the vax and the restrictions and a real sentiment that the govt' cant be trusted.
I've had enough of being a political football.

didn't you get a link to report on ausvax? I think i got a text and an email at day 1, 3, 7, 2 weeks and 5 weeks for my 2 shots and booster. Click, takes about a minute.

infogram.com/1pj5gkerjdemgpt6zlvmwr5p91bm0k3d6xw
work mate had AZ shot, had convulsions and fever, after he filled it out the health dept called him and got him in for specialist tests and whatnot. Seemed pretty easy.

This is interesting. I've not heard about this from anyone else.
Also, you say you received the text and email on multiple days. The link you provided only lists the survey being sent on day 3.

Did anyone here receive the texts or emails for reporting adverse effects?

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Is it just me but my antivax mates seem to know quite a few people that have had heart issues from their Vax, yet I've not heard of one person in my "vaxed" circle of friends (or their friends) that has had any issue with it.

It's obvious really. Anti-vaxxers are much nicer people and have many many more friends. Either that or the definition of friend extends to 'anyone I have heard or read about on the internet'. A friendly bunch of people.

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bjw said..
Is it just me but my antivax mates seem to know quite a few people that have had heart issues from their Vax, yet I've not heard of one person in my "vaxed" circle of friends (or their friends) that has had any issue with it.

based on my own condition I'm starting to think everyone gets it but most don't notice it
This isn't a well prepared analogy; if I reduced the fuel flow by 5% on an 86 corolla I doubt you'd notice but if I did the same to an F1 engine it'd be apparent in the next race.
Are your friends all 86 Corollas?

Are you implying that you and your friends are running on the edge, pinging your heads off, and so close to detonation that any random event could put a hole in you?

Maybe you should ease up on the coffee before you do a headgasket?

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snoidberg said..
No money or power in people eating healthy.
Something much deeper is going on and they don't care about your health.

I've been trying to work out what's going on. In normal times pre Covid, vaccines that cause this many adverse reactions would be pulled from public use.

Driving across Australia I listened to many podcasts on this topic & the best conclusions that seemed to come forth were;

1. Mass fear on Covid throughout the World made the public want a fast solution. Many people overestimated (and some underestimated) the actual risks to them & the government/media underreported the adverse reactions to the vaccines.

(I'm often told that if you get Covid you have a 1% chance of dying. That is false & depends very heavily on your age & health condition. If you're 18 your chance of survival with Covid is 99.9976%. If you're 85 your chance of survival with Covid is 92% give or take. If you have comorbidities it increases your risks of death from Covid over 1000 times according to this report - pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449622/)

2. There has been incompetence at health institutions like WHO, FDA and CDC.

3. Vaccine clinical testing by the pharmaceutical companies had not been thorough & or have been manipulated to gain favourable outcomes. There was a whistleblower at a Pfizer trial that brought this to the media's attention a few months ago.
Here's a link - www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

One podcaster Dr said that there wasn't anything sinister going on at health authorise but that imcompetence was rife. I'd say this is the main issue.

Yeh that's where I am at so far. It makes no sense for the elite and their government puppets to hurt their modern feudal class slaves. They don't make money if their worker ants are sick and stop consuming at an ever increasing rate. Governments and their bodies are just are made up by people who are probably just as confused by the various narratives being thrown around even by the so called experts in their fields. No one truly knows what's going on or how to best treat this issues properly.

I personally don't buy into any grand conspiracy theories. That's a self fulfilling hole that if you deep in, i suggest you pull yourself out of it. The interactions and situations are far too complex for such nonsense.

the cardio issues with the vaccine are statistically relevant across the globe (especially in teenage boys). The numbers don't lie here. There are a few theories on why this is but none yet to be proven conclusively.

Again what we should be more worried about is the mandated (now booster over here) vax shots. But some of you don't seem and may never see the problem with this. Until it's too late. Its not a conspiracy that power begets more power. It has been this one since the dawn of time and is ingrained into our very DNA.

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the cardio issues with the vaccine are statistically relevant across the globe (especially in teenage boys). The numbers don't lie here. There are a few theories on why this is but none yet to be proven conclusively.

Following the 86 Corolla vs F1 analogy, teenage boys are probably the most physically active demographic.

I had an 86 Corolla...the engine used to ping like there was no tomorrow when going uphill with 91 octane unleaded fuel.

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This is interesting. I've not heard about this from anyone else.
Also, you say you received the text and email on multiple days. The link you provided only lists the survey being sent on day 3.

Did anyone here receive the texts or emails for reporting adverse effects?

They might only send the follow ups if you have an adverse reaction, or may have changed it recently- I reported that my arm hurt

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Again what we should be more worried about is the mandated (now booster over here) vax shots. But some of you don't seem and may never see the problem with this. Until it's too late. Its not a conspiracy that power begets more power. It has been this one since the dawn of time and is ingrained into our very DNA.

why don't we just change our DNA with an mRNA vaccine?

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eppo said..

Yeh that's where I am at so far. It makes no sense for the elite and their government puppets to hurt their modern feudal class slaves. They don't make money if their worker ants are sick and stop consuming at an ever increasing rate. Governments and their bodies are just are made up by people who are probably just as confused by the various narratives being thrown around even by the so called experts in their fields. No one truly knows what's going on or how to best treat this issues properly.

I personally don't buy into any grand conspiracy theories. That's a self fulfilling hole that if you deep in, i suggest you pull yourself out of it. The interactions and situations are far too complex for such nonsense.

the cardio issues with the vaccine are statistically relevant across the globe (especially in teenage boys). The numbers don't lie here. There are a few theories on why this is but none yet to be proven conclusively.

Again what we should be more worried about is the mandated (now booster over here) vax shots. But some of you don't seem and may never see the problem with this. Until it's too late. Its not a conspiracy that power begets more power. It has been this one since the dawn of time and is ingrained into our very DNA.

Yeah Eppo I'm not into conspiracy theories on this either. Having said that, greed & delusion play a big part in this pandemic.

What I have found interesting in the past year is the censorship the media have done to any alternate view to the main narrative. I check the Sydney Morning Herald daily because I'm from Sydney & I'm curious what the masses are fed. There were plenty of times over the past year an article would come out & I would write a comment linking to a legitimate study that would challenge the articles view.

For example around 4-5 months ago SMH articles would report if you were double vaxxed you would be gaining good long term protection & you would not be spreading Covid around. I'd write comments linking to various Israelis medical scientific studies showing that double vaccination efficacy was waning fast & natural immunity was a legitimate strategy for people who were healthy & relatively young (under 50).

I must have tried 10 times over the past 6 months on various dubious articles & my comments would never get published. It makes me wonder how many people would be writing in with constructive facts & figures but would never get heard. The comments were overwhelmingly in favour of whatever the article was saying making readers think that everyone was in agreement with what was being reported.

I can sense a change of heart now though as people are starting to realise vaccines don't stop the spread & adverse reactions are happening to loved ones.

*SMH main headline today, "Western Sydney man in his 40s dies after getting COVID"!

Should it not read, "Western Sydney man with UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS dies with COVID in his system'?

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Yeah Eppo I'm not into conspiracy theories on this either. Having said that, greed & delusion play a big part in this pandemic.

What I have found interesting in the past year is the censorship the media have done to any alternate view to the main narrative. I check the Sydney Morning Herald daily because I'm from Sydney & I'm curious what the masses are fed. There were plenty of times over the past year an article would come out & I would write a comment linking to a legitimate study that would challenge the articles view.

For example around 6 months ago SMH articles would report if you were double vaxxed you would be gaining good long term protection & you would not be spreading Covid around. I'd write comments linking to various Israelis scientific studies showing that double vaccination efficacy was waning fast & were recommending boosters.

I must have tried 10 times over the past 6-9 months on various dubious articles & my comments would never get published. It makes me wonder how many people would be writing in with constructive facts & figures but would never get heard. The comments were overwhelmingly in favour of whatever the article was saying basically making people think that everyone was in agreement with what was being reported.

I can sense a change of heart now though as people are starting to realise vaccines don't stop the spread & adverse reactions are happening to loved ones.


*SMH main headline today, "Western Sydney man in his 40s dies after getting COVID"!

Should it not read, "Western Sydney man with serious underlying health conditions dies with COVID in his system'?

The censorship by media platforms is significant and seems to be along certain political lines. The so called fact checkers are the worst distributers of missinformation of them all.

I was surprised by the ABC posting this interview today. Good info on Omicron, boosters and masks.

www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/640531967171981/

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Paradox said..

The censorship by media platforms is significant and seems to be along certain political lines. The so called fact checkers are the worst distributers of missinformation of them all.

I was surprised by the ABC posting this interview today. Good info on Omicron, boosters and masks.

www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/640531967171981/

Wow that's the first time I've seen an Australian mainstream media outlet let somebody say that you won't need boosters if your healthy. Finally some change.

For anyone that's vaccinated & worried about funeral costs if you die of the vaccine, the Government has your back; www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/node/55963?context=55953

Slightly different tack, but I'm trusting media less and less as it seems there is no qualification to be a journalist anymore, and no editorial input since the (almost) loss of paper newspapers.
The english is shocking on all the internet news services. So are they actually getting anything correct?

"Getting" COVID. Did he buy it at the shops? "Catching" COVID, or "contracting" if its that serious.

They must type stuff on their phone and publish it whilst watching TV or something.

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psychojoe said..

Are your friends all 86 Corollas?

Haha probably true

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Mark _australia said..

FormulaNova said.. I think his language even suggests 'modifies DNA' which is not true at all as far as I know.
These RNA vaccines don't modify DNA and just use RNA to create the spike protein. How hard is that to understand, but this guy seems to bill himself as an expert on these things.

Yup. Thats the biggest lie the 'anti' mob tells... all because a couple of ignorant types thought it acts upon or changes DNA. Which it clearly does not yet they all spout off about it. When they start losing that argument, they then say its "new and untested" technology.
Vaccines that work in that manner were first touted in 1995 and many have been made. So wrong again.

I took the new DNA vaccines. They were developed in the hope of reducing side effects thought to be caused by the additives required for the RNA vaccines.
I've had chest and abdominal pain for almost two weeks and it took over a week for the swelling at the injection sites to settle; oddly this doesn't meet the trial criteria of a noteworthy event.
I'll go for an ECG tomorrow but as the pain isn't severe there's unlikely to be any visible impairment.
I was opposed to medical coersion before the trial and the only reason I still recommend people get the jabs is because whatever damage they do to your health is still less than the government will do if you don't do what they ****ing say.

I can't tell if your being sarcastic, but if you do get the ECG...Let us know how you go, I'm having chest and abdominal pains also, nothing severe but often catch myself clutching my chest for the last week and a half or so. Got the second jab 2 weeks ago.

I needed a referral and I had to make a booking so it waited until this morning. side note: until today I thought an ECG and an echocardiogram were the same thing.
Anyway, had both today and while the testing is indicative not definitive, the diagnosis is pericarditis; a mild case, and the prognosis is it will resolve next year without intervention, the medication is over the counter anti inflammatories and pain killers but I won't be following that protocol.
I also have abdominal pain, right about where my appendix sits (lower right), which makes sense given that another school dad got appendicitis after his second shot and it was flagged as a 1/400 in the Pfizer trial.
Interesting conversation in the waiting room with a nutritionist. Appearantly quercetin homeostasis inhibits cellular coronavirus absorption in a similar fashion to glycine inhibiting glyphosate absorption.
There's around 40mg of quercetin in an onion, it's found in lots of fruits and vegetables, clinical trials were dosing at 1000mg per day for Covid patients. Overdosing with more than 1000mg a day can cause side effects including headache.
So after getting four jabs that have induced pericarditis and abdominal pain which won't solve the problem, Mark McGowan has demanded I get two more next month because the risk of a headache from a health food supplement is far too great... or so it would seem.

Does Victoria mandate a third dose? That could be an option.

Interesting that you are not willing to follow the treatment suggested by a doctor and suggested by lots of qualified people.

Are you also a doctor?


P.S. I think snoidberg found that there is mild pericarditis, at least the Mayo clinic agree that there is.