How long do you think it will take for the TRUTH to come out?

What do you mean by that?

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myscreenname said..
How long do you think it will take for the TRUTH to come out?

put it into a meme, otherwise we can't understand it.

*BTW "Truth" is something that never comes out and is always the goal that CTs never want to arrive at. It would ruin their day or week.

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FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

myscreenname said..
Compelling essay from Mark Lanegan from Screaming Trees about his recent experience with COVID

newsconcerns.com/this-thing-was-trying-to-dismantle-me-mark-lanegan-on-nearly-dying-of-covid-mark-lanegan/

to quote Mark "heroin stopped me dying of alcoholism"
I didn't read the article but most who post serious Covid cases are of the belief that it's ok for a fit healthy man to be force vaccinated to their peril against a virus that affects those who've mismanaged their health

Wow, good to see arrogance is alive and well.

You must be better than most doctors in that you can categorically say the virus only affects those that have mismanaged their health.

It's like saying heart disease only affects those that have mismanaged their health, and ignoring that some people are more predisposed to it than others.

further to the point, the only reason we're mass vaccinating is because it's too hard to get people to make healthy choices.
Eating well WILL categorically save move lives than any vaccine could and there's far fewer side effects.
This is not disputed by vaccine makers, their counter argument is that it would take too long to adjust diet... well we've had two years already

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kiterboy said..
What do you mean by that?

I don't see any of the media outlets reporting on many people suffering from heart problems after taking a jab.

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Harrow said..
Just found yesterday that my sister ended up in the emergency ward with heart problems after her recent jab, along with a few friends of hers. I was also surprised to hear that some people are being floored for days by the booster. I had a pretty bad day after my 2nd jab and was hoping the booster would be better.

Hope your sister & her friends are ok Harrow.

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psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

myscreenname said..
Compelling essay from Mark Lanegan from Screaming Trees about his recent experience with COVID

newsconcerns.com/this-thing-was-trying-to-dismantle-me-mark-lanegan-on-nearly-dying-of-covid-mark-lanegan/

to quote Mark "heroin stopped me dying of alcoholism"
I didn't read the article but most who post serious Covid cases are of the belief that it's ok for a fit healthy man to be force vaccinated to their peril against a virus that affects those who've mismanaged their health

Wow, good to see arrogance is alive and well.

You must be better than most doctors in that you can categorically say the virus only affects those that have mismanaged their health.

It's like saying heart disease only affects those that have mismanaged their health, and ignoring that some people are more predisposed to it than others.

further to the point, the only reason we're mass vaccinating is because it's too hard to get people to make healthy choices.
Eating well WILL categorically save move lives than any vaccine could and there's far fewer side effects.
This is not disputed by vaccine makers, their counter argument is that it would take too long to adjust diet... well we've had two years already

No money or power in people eating healthy.
Something much deeper is going on and they don't care about your health.

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psychojoe said..

further to the point, the only reason we're mass vaccinating is because it's too hard to get people to make healthy choices.
Eating well WILL categorically save move lives than any vaccine could and there's far fewer side effects.
This is not disputed by vaccine makers, their counter argument is that it would take too long to adjust diet... well we've had two years already

The reason we mass vaccinate is because it eliminates disease and lets people live longer. Whether that is a good thing or not is a different conversation.

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snoidberg said..
No money or power in people eating healthy.
Something much deeper is going on and they don't care about your health.

The only people who don't care about people's well-being are the Illuminati. Is that "they"?

I saw a movie about them once, it was very provocative. After watching it I wondered why the illuminati allowed it to be released.

And why did they want to kill Mark Lanegan?

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snoidberg said..
No money or power in people eating healthy.
Something much deeper is going on and they don't care about your health.

I've been trying to work out what's going on. In normal times pre Covid, vaccines that cause this many adverse reactions would be pulled from public use.

Driving across Australia I listened to many podcasts on this topic & the best conclusions that seemed to come forth were;

1. Mass fear on Covid throughout the World made the public want a fast solution. Many people overestimated (and some underestimated) the actual risks to them & the government/media underreported the adverse reactions to the vaccines.

(I'm often told that if you get Covid you have a 1% chance of dying. That is false & depends very heavily on your age & health condition. If you're 18 your chance of survival with Covid is 99.9976%. If you're 85 your chance of survival with Covid is 92% give or take. If you have comorbidities it increases your risks of death from Covid over 1000 times according to this report - pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449622/)

2. There has been incompetence at health institutions like WHO, FDA and CDC.

3. Vaccine clinical testing by the pharmaceutical companies had not been thorough & or have been manipulated to gain favourable outcomes. There was a whistleblower at a Pfizer trial that brought this to the media's attention a few months ago.
Here's a link - www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

One podcaster Dr said that there wasn't anything sinister going on at health authorise but that imcompetence was rife. I'd say this is the main issue.

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CH3MTR4IL5 said..
The reason we mass vaccinate is because it eliminates disease and lets people live longer. Whether that is a good thing or not is a different conversation.

I have doubts the current vaccines are capable of eliminating Covid as much as vaccines are capable of eliminating the flu.

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Flying Dutchman said..
I've been trying to work out what's going on. In normal times pre Covid, vaccines that cause this many adverse reactions would be pulled from public use.

Driving across Australia I listened to many podcasts on this topic & the best conclusions that seemed to come forth were;

1. Mass fear on Covid throughout the World made the public want a solution fast. Due to mass fear many people overestimated the actual risks to them & the government/media underreported the adverse reactions to the vaccines.

(I've come across many people that say to me if you get Covid you have a 1% chance of dying. That is false & depends very heavily on your age & health condition. If you're 18 your chance of survival with Covid is 99.9976%. If you're 85 your chance of survival with Covid is 92% give or take. If you have comorbidities it increases your risks of death from Covid over 1000 times according to this report - pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449622/)

2. There has been incompetence at health institutions like WHO, FDA and CDC.

3. Vaccine clinical testing by the pharmaceutical companies had not been thorough & or have been manipulated to gain favourable outcomes. There was a whistleblower at a Pfizer trial that brought this to the media's attention a few months ago.
Here's a link - www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

One podcaster Dr said that there wasn't anything sinister going on at health authorise but that imcompetence was rife. I'd say this is the main issue.

Sounds like a valid theory. So much is unknown about it and so many experts taking advantage of it by pushing their own agendas.

I'll wait for the movie. I hope Nicholas Cage isn't the lead.

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myscreenname said..

Flying Dutchman said..
I've been trying to work out what's going on. In normal times pre Covid, vaccines that cause this many adverse reactions would be pulled from public use.

Driving across Australia I listened to many podcasts on this topic & the best conclusions that seemed to come forth were;

1. Mass fear on Covid throughout the World made the public want a solution fast. Due to mass fear many people overestimated the actual risks to them & the government/media underreported the adverse reactions to the vaccines.

(I've come across many people that say to me if you get Covid you have a 1% chance of dying. That is false & depends very heavily on your age & health condition. If you're 18 your chance of survival with Covid is 99.9976%. If you're 85 your chance of survival with Covid is 92% give or take. If you have comorbidities it increases your risks of death from Covid over 1000 times according to this report - pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449622/)

2. There has been incompetence at health institutions like WHO, FDA and CDC.

3. Vaccine clinical testing by the pharmaceutical companies had not been thorough & or have been manipulated to gain favourable outcomes. There was a whistleblower at a Pfizer trial that brought this to the media's attention a few months ago.
Here's a link - www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

One podcaster Dr said that there wasn't anything sinister going on at health authorise but that imcompetence was rife. I'd say this is the main issue.

Sounds like a valid theory. So much is unknown about it and so many experts taking advantage of it by pushing their own agendas.

I'll wait for the movie. I hope Nicholas Cage isn't the lead.

Haha

When you've got our leaders presenting messages like this it's no wonder people live in fear.

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evlPanda said..Just get a ****ing jab. It's the least worst option, by far.

I agree generally, but what people do not talk about is the risk profile.

COVID is a highly targeted virus. It is very mild in most healthy people. Age, obesity and a few other co-morbidities are the driving factors of most severe cases. Even so the vaccine risks are still relatively small, until we get into people under 30, then relative risks start to get a lot closer.

Drop down to under 20's and it moves the other way. Forcing healthy kids and teenagers to be vaccinated is criminal as the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risk of COVID in all but those few easily indentiified as having comorbidities.

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Paradox said..

evlPanda said..Just get a ****ing jab. It's the least worst option, by far.

I agree generally, but what people do not talk about is the risk profile.

COVID is a highly targeted virus. It is very mild in most healthy people. Age, obesity and a few other co-morbidities are the driving factors of most severe cases. Even so the vaccine risks are still relatively small, until we get into people under 30, then relative risks start to get a lot closer.

Drop down to under 20's and it moves the other way. Forcing healthy kids and teenagers to be vaccinated is criminal as the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risk of COVID in all but those few easily indentiified as have comorbidities.

Well said Paradox

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Flying Dutchman said..
When you've got our leaders presenting messages like this it's no wonder people live in fear.

Is that serious? Is she really making Santa quarantine?

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bjw said...

Is that serious? Is she really making Santa quarantine?

www.facebook.com/annastaciamp/posts/481501836668754

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Flying Dutchman said..

I have doubts the current vaccines are capable of eliminating Covid as much as vaccines are capable of eliminating the flu.

Yes, you're right it was a bit of a motherhood statement and 'reduces' would be more accurate for all disease - as coronaviruses pass back and forth between humans and animals its pretty much impossible to eliminate them. Smallpox didn't have an animal reservoir so it was able to be eliminated by vaccination.

Measles is the same I think and could be eliminated by vaccination.

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kiterboy said..
What do you mean by that?

I don't see any of the media outlets reporting on many people suffering from heart problems after taking a jab.

...and your point?

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Flying Dutchman said..

bjw said...

Is that serious? Is she really making Santa quarantine?

www.facebook.com/annastaciamp/posts/481501836668754

Thousands of aussies still stranded overseas and we let in any old foreigner... More concerned about the status of the reindeer and whether they have had their rabies shots, although would quite like to see a Johnny Depp-style apology video from Santa for breaching Australia's Strict Biosecurity Laws.

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CH3MTR4IL5 said..
Yes, you're right it was a bit of a motherhood statement and 'reduces' would be more accurate for all disease - as coronaviruses pass back and forth between humans and animals its pretty much impossible to eliminate them. Smallpox didn't have an animal reservoir so it was able to be eliminated by vaccination.

Measles is the same I think and could be eliminated by vaccination.

Thumbs up

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kiterboy said..
...and your point?

A few comments from people on SB are saying they directly and indirectly know of people who have suffered heart issues after taking Pfizer. Stat's don't support that, they say it's extremely rare, so the TRUTH is somewhere in between.

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kiterboy said..
...and your point?

A few comments from people on SB are saying they directly and indirectly know of people who have suffered heart issues after taking Pfizer. Stat's don't support that, they say it's extremely rare, so the TRUTH is somewhere in between.

And why would you expect the official stats to back that up?

Bear in mind the multiple times we've heard from people who have presented to the doctor with heart issues, shortly after getting the jab - in otherwise healthy people with no reason for heart issues, only to have the possibility of it being related to the jab hand waved away without any looking into it.

From the TGA's website

In the 1st instance reporting is up to individuals not doctors.


"We encourage people to report suspected side effects, even if there's only a very small chance a vaccine was the cause. This provides valuable data that helps us identify trends or spikes that might reveal potential safety issues. Often, however, these events are not caused by the vaccines. Learn more about causality and our COVID-19 vaccine safety monitoring and reporting activities."


www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-12-2021

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kiterboy said..
And why would you expect the official stats to back that up?

If we were to accept what many people on SB are reporting, then it's common for people to suffer serious heart issues after the jab. But stat's say it's incredibly rare.

There lies a large gap.

It might be more beneficial if breezers report these issues to the TGA rather than post it here.

WA doing it's own thing. Be interesting how this pans out for them.

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-22/wa-first-state-for-mandatory-covid-boosters-as-borders-close/100718716

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kiterboy said..
And why would you expect the official stats to back that up?

If we were to accept what many people on SB are reporting, then it's common for people to suffer serious heart issues after the jab. But stat's say it's incredibly rare.

There lies a large gap.

It might be more beneficial if breezers report these issues to the TGA rather than post it here.

Uh huh.
And why do you think there is an interest in the TGA and other authorities to be truthful about the adverse effects?
You can see the handwaving away in the quote from IFocus above.

Had you heard of pericarditis or myocarditis prior to the vaccines being forced on everyone? If at all, certainly no where near as much as the cases we are seeing these days.

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myscreenname said..
WA doing it's own thing. Be interesting how this pans out for them.

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-22/wa-first-state-for-mandatory-covid-boosters-as-borders-close/100718716

Yay!
Let's mandate for a third time the very thing that didn't work the first two times.

'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.'

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kiterboy said..
Uh huh.
And why do you think there is an interest in the TGA and other authorities to be truthful about the adverse effects?
You can see the handwaving away in the quote from IFocus above.

Had you heard of pericarditis or myocarditis prior to the vaccines being forced on everyone? If at all, certainly no where near as much as the cases we are seeing these days.

Well that's kind of obvious, I hadn't heard about covid before either.

I'm sceptical about the response to the pandemic, I haven't fallen down the conspiracy theory rabbithole. I pity those who have. Life will be much harder for them, especially if they live in WA.

Being a sheepie, isn't too bad.