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psychojoe said..
"Vaccine and chill" Really?!
I'm about half the man I was two months ago and it's not getting any better. I didn't want your mandate. I've got a string of doctors appointments, each one costs me a day off work. I feel like I could have a heart attack at any moment.
The risk isn't zero. Your comment minimises my experience.

When talking about COVID... Really. We all know the risks, and we all know the best ways to mitigate those risks. Let people make their own decision to manage their personal health, and let everyone get on with Life.

It's unfortunate you had an adverse reaction to the vaccine. Actually, it makes me angry because this is exactly the sort of thing that should have been publicly discussed and made crystal clear to everyone, before enforcing vaccination.

Instead we've got chuckleheads that have minimized the very real dangers of the vaccines by screeching about anything that questions the total perfection of vaccination as "covidiots youtube fake news" or some bull****. And THEN smugly enforcing one-size-fits-all mandates with threats and violence.

It sucks dude, I feel for you.

But for the vast majority of people, getting the vaccination is safe, and should have been the end of the oppressive heavy hand of the government in their lives.

Well, pre-Omicron anyway. Now more than ever there's no use for mandates and lockdowns.

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theDoctor said..
if you can't see it now,
I'm sorry for you
if you've had it
you know you feel different, not the same
be honest with yourself
if you haven't had it
get ready

I am enjoying your haikus and beatnik poetry jams immensely, echoing some Arlo Guthrie anti-establishment vibes. i think this may be a better way of communicating your protest messages along the lines of Alice's Restaurant Massacree

you can't get anything you want
and cant enter a restaurant
sign right in around the back
get kicked out if you aren't vaxxed
you can't get in or leave the state
unless you're one of the premier's mates

two things

divine drugs
that work
and are cheap
and
used for decades
cause
( cantkillemallyetweneedtheirlandcant)
they're cheap
are now banned..... under threat
cause they worked
when nothings 'sposed too
and yet
nothings said
cause you all owe
and you don't know
you're just watchin a show
you stupid phucking idiot

Trust The Science
Don't dare question The Science
Doing science on The Science is
A threat to democracy.

Covid, I've heard it is said,
Is no worse than a cold in the head,
So I'm not getting jabbed,
Like I wouldn't get stabbed,
I'll lie back in my ICU bed

How come rappers never do limericks?

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Kamikuza said..

psychojoe said..
"Vaccine and chill" Really?!
I'm about half the man I was two months ago and it's not getting any better. I didn't want your mandate. I've got a string of doctors appointments, each one costs me a day off work. I feel like I could have a heart attack at any moment.
The risk isn't zero. Your comment minimises my experience.

It's unfortunate you had an adverse reaction to the vaccine. Actually, it makes me angry because this is exactly the sort of thing that should have been publicly discussed and made crystal clear to everyone, before enforcing vaccination.

Instead we've got chuckleheads that have minimized the very real dangers of the vaccines by screeching about anything that questions the total perfection of vaccination as "covidiots youtube fake news" or some bull****. And THEN smugly enforcing one-size-fits-all mandates with threats and violence.

Just to be factual on this, as far as I can tell PJ took part in a specific trial of a vaccine, not AZ, Pfizer, or Moderna. At least that's what he has implied in the past. So you cannot really apply this result to the existing vaccines used in Australia.

If this is indeed the case, this is an exception to the normal vaccines. These things will have a bunch of warnings about reactions and unknown side-effects. Being a trial, the outcome can be positive or negative.

As a case in point, I think Uni of Queensland stopped its trial because of the false positive indications for HIV infection. These are not alternate therapies that are known to be better than the existing vaccinations, they are tests to see if they are.

I do feel some sympathy for PJ . On December 15 he was all excited about the new diet, with changes to nutrition, that has him lose 10kgs and feel fitter, and here less than a month later he is suffering from heart complications. You wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Just to be factual on this.
EVERYONE who has received the 'official' jabs for SARS-Cov2 is participating in a trial, whether by choice or by mandate.

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kiterboy said..
Just to be factual on this.
EVERYONE who has received the 'official' jabs for SARS-Cov2 is participating in a trial, whether by choice or by mandate.

No, I don't think this is correct. In a trial there will be some people on placebos, the nurses and doctors will not know who has the active vaccine, and everyone has their results collected and analysed.

I think we have already established with a reasonable amount of certainty that reports of negative outcomes are not recorded with 100% accuracy, so it cannot be a trial.

Whatever his outcome, PsychoJoe's impact will be recorded, and hopefully investigated. If there are sufficient people with negative outcomes, then the trial will have that result.

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FormulaNova said..
No, I don't think this is correct. In a trial there will be some people on placebos

More than one sort of trial FN.

Not saying I agree with conspiracy doomsday aspect of the "everyone is a guinea pig, it's an unknown test, only sheep take the vax", but you yourself have repeatedly stated that so many policy decisions and forecasts from the various "experts" around all this are just guesses#

Surely if you 'guess' what result a decision will deliver then by definition it is a trial.

You don't need a blind placebo to run along side.



Anyways, I am off now to change the head gasket on my mower. After I have done it I will test / trial to see if that has fixed the excessive oil burn issue. I am not going to also run a blind test on a second mower to see if not changing the head gasket has a better / worst outcome than changing it. What the long term effect of doing the head gasket myself will be - I don't know, its just a guess but I am backing myself that the potential benefits outweigh the downsides.



#by the way I have another opinion about your assertion of experts only being able to guess things that I have been saving for a later date because you seemed all upset at being called out for your devoted love towards your leaders and I didn't want to upset you anymore.

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Carantoc said..

FormulaNova said..
No, I don't think this is correct. In a trial there will be some people on placebos

More than one sort of trial FN.

Not saying I agree with conspiracy doomsday aspect of the "everyone is a guinea pig, it's an unknown test, only sheep take the vax", but you yourself have repeatedly stated that so many policy decisions and forecasts from the various "experts" around all this are just guesses#

Surely if you 'guess' what result a decision will deliver then by definition it is a trial.

You don't need a blind placebo to run along side.



Anyways, I am off now to change the head gasket on my mower. After I have done it I will test / trial to see if that has fixed the excessive oil burn issue. I am not going to also run a blind test on a second mower to see if not changing the head gasket has a better / worst outcome than changing it. What the long term effect of doing the head gasket myself will be - I don't know, its just a guess but I am backing myself that the potential benefits outweigh the downsides.



#by the way I have another opinion about your assertion of experts only being able to guess things that I have been saving for a later date because you seemed all upset at being called out for your devoted love towards your leaders and I didn't want to upset you anymore.

I hope the mower is OHV at least, otherwise you are wasting your time trying to solve an oil burn problem with a new headgasket.

A 'trial' in a medical sense is a proper trial with certain conditions specified. Not a general 'let's release it on the population and write news articles on what happens'. Bikertoy was trying to suggest that the vaccine rollout was also a trial. Not in the medical sense.

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kiterboy said..
Just to be factual on this.
EVERYONE who has received the 'official' jabs for SARS-Cov2 is participating in a trial, whether by choice or by mandate.

No, I don't think this is correct. In a trial there will be some people on placebos, the nurses and doctors will not know who has the active vaccine, and everyone has their results collected and analysed.

I think we have already established with a reasonable amount of certainty that reports of negative outcomes are not recorded with 100% accuracy, so it cannot be a trial.

Whatever his outcome, PsychoJoe's impact will be recorded, and hopefully investigated. If there are sufficient people with negative outcomes, then the trial will have that result.

You should look into Pfizer or Moderna batch numbers and adverse reactions. By doing proper research, laymen have figured out quite easily that there are some batches which are a lot more deadly than others. If the vaccine was consistent, we should not see any data like this. It's also a prime indicator that in fact there is still a trial going on. This is reinforced by the fact that it takes several years for any new drug to be fully approved, hence the 'provisional approval/emergency approval for the cv19 stuff. The difficult proponent of this truth is that indeed you would have to find this information on alternative media sources, as it is highly censored. It seems that is too much to ask for from most who are jabbed.

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Carantoc said..
#by the way I have another opinion about your assertion of experts only being able to guess things that I have been saving for a later date because you seemed all upset at being called out for your devoted love towards your leaders and I didn't want to upset you anymore.

Thank you. Sometimes I am a bit ashamed of my own responses on here, and its heartwarming to see people with better self control than I. I appreciate your decision to delay the expression of your opinion.

Again, thank you for your self control.

I find it surprising though that 'devoted love towards your leaders' seems to be the impression though, when instead I actually try and check the logic and science. Oh well. I guess to someone that wants to see a viewpoint, its always going to be there. Probably me included.

Head gasket and oil problem... I think I have lost a lot of respect for you now.

WHO only just worked this out?
This is why I'm not trusting what I've been told by our health authorities they are a bunch of clowns.

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/1/11/new-email-piles-more-pressure-on-uk-pm-johnson-over-lockdown-parties

www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer-boss-says-two-doses-provides-limited-protection-if-any-against-omicron/news-story/9d76126d080e2010f05eb0b4ae5e0c45

Interesting read. Seems a study has confirmed 2 doses of the vaccination is only about 10% effective in preventing symptomatic disease (transmission) for Omicron.

Surely vaccine mandates are now irrelevent with no supporting science behind them.

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FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..
Just to be factual on this.
EVERYONE who has received the 'official' jabs for SARS-Cov2 is participating in a trial, whether by choice or by mandate.

No, I don't think this is correct. In a trial there will be some people on placebos, the nurses and doctors will not know who has the active vaccine, and everyone has their results collected and analysed.

I think we have already established with a reasonable amount of certainty that reports of negative outcomes are not recorded with 100% accuracy, so it cannot be a trial.

Whatever his outcome, PsychoJoe's impact will be recorded, and hopefully investigated. If there are sufficient people with negative outcomes, then the trial will have that result.

See, you can think what you like, but that doesn't make it right.
And on that, you claim to assess information and update your opinions/knowledge, but I really don't know what happens when you read the information that more eloquent people than me post on here, but you keep hard and fast to your seemingly very ignorant viewpoint.
Either there is a bypass around your cognitive function for all things you read, or you are being deliberately disingenuous time and time again.

So, further to this, take it from the TGA directly: www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation
They explicitly state that they have only provisionally approved a number of vaccines, and are accepting rolling data from trials, becasue they are all still under trial.
You take any of the experimental 'vaccines' listed on the TGA page, you are inextricably part of the trial/s.

www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation

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FormulaNova said..
Head gasket and oil problem... I think I have lost a lot of respect for you now.

I think you may need to do some more research.

It is a OHV motor, like so many mowers. The head bolts form a U pattern, they aren't a complete circle and the gasket tends to fail in the open bit of the U (not enough compression from the bolts to hold the gasket down presumably).

This then allows compression gases to enter the engine and pressurize the sump. The pressurized sump oil then exits through the breather, into the carb and gets burnt.

Hence no dripping oil, but uses oil. And as the 'failure' tends to happen when the engine heats up the oil gets burnt when the engine is warm and you don't get much / any smoke.

Mower used about 200ml of oil for every 5 litres of petrol. I figure this is too much.

But anyway, it is done, there were signs of gasket failure in the open part of the head bolt pattern, so I assume it is now fixed.

But I don't know for sure, it hasn't been proved in a court of law, so I will trial it by going to mow something and see if there is any oil on the dip-stick when I return (I mean the oil sensor stick thingy, not me)

So DYO research. Lots of videos on Utube about it. Its not up to me to tell you.





(I just realized, I didn't mention it is a Briggs and Stratton motor, hence, yes having no respect for me is actually very reasonable. I would not admitting to owning a Briggs to anyone in actual real life).

How did the world ever produce two people as useless as both Briggs and Stratton. You'd think Stratton would have punched Briggs for producing such **** or Briggs would have refused to work with Stratton if he is happy producing utter crap. Oh yeah, that's right they are Yanks. 'nuff said.

Work started on producing vaccines immediately upon banking a Wuhan wild type isolate.
It was November 17 2021 before anyone published what should have been a no-brainer; that mitochondrial function/dysfunction is key to Covid severity but I guess this is lost on everyone that thinks rainbow trout thrive on a carbs only diet.
Everyone was blaming the lipids and glycol for the side effects of the jabs, switching from ribo to deoxy of the same Wuhan wild type offered a much more stable product capable of being delivered without additives. The general scientific community was convinced this would rectify the problem, would probably have become medical fact had I, the last member of the trial not developed symptoms. I imagine those with superior MT function are doomed to suffer most side effects, but that's just musing.
I had to be unblinded for McGowan's law, I received the half dose intended for children.
The only good to come of this is that Mrs Psycho no longer insists on jabbing the kids.

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Carantoc said..

FormulaNova said..
Head gasket and oil problem... I think I have lost a lot of respect for you now.

I think you may need to do some more research.

It is a OHV motor, like so many mowers. The head bolts form a U pattern, they aren't a complete circle and the gasket tends to fail in the open bit of the U (not enough compression from the bolts to hold the gasket down presumably).

This then allows compression gases to enter the engine and pressurize the sump. The pressurized sump oil then exits through the breather, into the carb and gets burnt.

Hence no dripping oil, but uses oil. And as the 'failure' tends to happen when the engine heats up the oil gets burnt when the engine is warm and you don't get much / any smoke.

Mower used about 200ml of oil for every 5 litres of petrol. I figure this is too much.

But anyway, it is done, there were signs of gasket failure in the open part of the head bolt pattern, so I assume it is now fixed.

But I don't know for sure, it hasn't been proved in a court of law, so I will trial it by going to mow something and see if there is any oil on the dip-stick when I return (I mean the oil sensor stick thingy, not me)

So DYO research. Lots of videos on Utube about it. Its not up to me to tell you.





(I just realized, I didn't mention it is a Briggs and Stratton motor, hence, yes having no respect for me is actually very reasonable. I would not admitting to owning a Briggs to anyone in actual real life).

How did the world ever produce two people as useless as both Briggs and Stratton. You'd think Stratton would have punched Briggs for producing such **** or Briggs would have refused to work with Stratton if he is happy producing utter crap. Oh yeah, that's right they are Yanks. 'nuff said.

I bow down to your knowledge of small motors. Your explanation is completely plausible.

As for B&S vs Honda/Chonda, you may argue that B&S are agricultural, but they keep going and going and going. My last one (before the recent $10 mower from the dump) went 20 years, but in that time needed various small repairs, and a replacement throttle cable. Pretty good all up. I now have 4 Chonda powered units and one $10 B&S, but to be fair the $10 B&S was made from two $10 dump specials.

A B&S (at least the old ones) wouldn't lose oil that way, but if they did they would probably keep running for another year or two!

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psychojoe said..
Work started on producing vaccines immediately upon banking a Wuhan wild type isolate.
It was November 17 2021 before anyone published what should have been a no-brainer; that mitochondrial function/dysfunction is key to Covid severity but I guess this is lost on everyone that thinks rainbow trout thrive on a carbs only diet.
Everyone was blaming the lipids and glycol for the side effects of the jabs, switching from ribo to deoxy of the same Wuhan wild type offered a much more stable product capable of being delivered without additives. The general scientific community was convinced this would rectify the problem, would probably have become medical fact had I, the last member of the trial not developed symptoms. I imagine those with superior MT function are doomed to suffer most side effects, but that's just musing.
I had to be unblinded for McGowan's law, I received the half dose intended for children.
The only good to come of this is that Mrs Psycho no longer insists on jabbing the kids.

Good info. Thanks. Its good to hear of real world experience of these trials.

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kiterboy said..

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..
Just to be factual on this.
EVERYONE who has received the 'official' jabs for SARS-Cov2 is participating in a trial, whether by choice or by mandate.

No, I don't think this is correct. In a trial there will be some people on placebos, the nurses and doctors will not know who has the active vaccine, and everyone has their results collected and analysed.

I think we have already established with a reasonable amount of certainty that reports of negative outcomes are not recorded with 100% accuracy, so it cannot be a trial.

Whatever his outcome, PsychoJoe's impact will be recorded, and hopefully investigated. If there are sufficient people with negative outcomes, then the trial will have that result.

See, you can think what you like, but that doesn't make it right.
And on that, you claim to assess information and update your opinions/knowledge, but I really don't know what happens when you read the information that more eloquent people than me post on here, but you keep hard and fast to your seemingly very ignorant viewpoint.
Either there is a bypass around your cognitive function for all things you read, or you are being deliberately disingenuous time and time again.

So, further to this, take it from the TGA directly: www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation
They explicitly state that they have only provisionally approved a number of vaccines, and are accepting rolling data from trials, becasue they are all still under trial.
You take any of the experimental 'vaccines' listed on the TGA page, you are inextricably part of the trial/s.

www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation

As usual your comprehensive and ability to understand things, pretty much sucks. If you do a search for the word 'trial' on that link you provided, you will get a reference to real trials.

I am now thinking that vaccination decreases IQ in some people but I can't say for sure as I don't know if you are vaccinated.

Tell me again about the rego thing you told me was easy to answer and then provided two different answers... apparently both 'not wrong' despite being contradictory. Any fool can use Google, and you just demonstrated that to me.

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psychojoe said..
Work started on producing vaccines immediately upon banking a Wuhan wild type isolate.
It was November 17 2021 before anyone published what should have been a no-brainer; that mitochondrial function/dysfunction is key to Covid severity but I guess this is lost on everyone that thinks rainbow trout thrive on a carbs only diet.
Everyone was blaming the lipids and glycol for the side effects of the jabs, switching from ribo to deoxy of the same Wuhan wild type offered a much more stable product capable of being delivered without additives. The general scientific community was convinced this would rectify the problem, would probably have become medical fact had I, the last member of the trial not developed symptoms. I imagine those with superior MT function are doomed to suffer most side effects, but that's just musing.
I had to be unblinded for McGowan's law, I received the half dose intended for children.
The only good to come of this is that Mrs Psycho no longer insists on jabbing the kids.

Which vaccine was it?

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FormulaNova said..
A B&S (at least the old ones) wouldn't lose oil that way, but if they did they would probably keep running for another year or two!

I am lucky that the B&S is so bad the oil level sensor doesn't work any more, so it doesn't cut out when the oil level drops.


I've had one of the estate workers out testing and now I am thinking maybe it is the rings. Nobody knows what the long term effects are, it seems to run fine, but did still blow a bit of visible smoke on start-up. Maybe that was just from all the crap I sprayed in to clean the head ?

When it was apart the bore looked in perfect condition but it did seem to have a lot of oil covering. I don't know how much to expect, I'd imagine a thin film, noticeable on your finger as a bit oily but not really noticeable until you touch it.

The bore looked like it had a lot more than 'a thin film' on it. I'd have said a 'liberal coating'. It was almost dripping, certainly would have slowly flowed down the vertical sides. Maybe that is what it is supposed to have ? Seems a bit weird though, seems a lot to me to be inside the chamber.

But - the plug looks good. Bit sooty but not like it is chucking oil up past the rings. The valve seats looked OK to me, bit of carbon but not clogged.

My logic says oil coming via the carby is misted by the carby and only enters on the suck stroke (when the intake valve is open) and gets burned before it can do much. Oil past the rings is blobs of oil and would enter on all strokes (maybe not the squash stroke but the other 3), and only gets burned on the bang stroke so fouls the plug and everything else much worse.

Buggered if I know though. I learnt everything I know about it from youtube.

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Carantoc said..

FormulaNova said..
A B&S (at least the old ones) wouldn't lose oil that way, but if they did they would probably keep running for another year or two!

I am lucky that the B&S is so bad the oil level sensor doesn't work any more, so it doesn't cut out when the oil level drops.


I've had one of the estate workers out testing and now I am thinking maybe it is the rings. Nobody knows what the long term effects are, it seems to run fine, but did still blow a bit of visible smoke on start-up. Maybe that was just from all the crap I sprayed in to clean the head ?

When it was apart the bore looked in perfect condition but it did seem to have a lot of oil covering. I don't know how much to expect, I'd imagine a thin film, noticeable on your finger as a bit oily but not really noticeable until you touch it.

The bore looked like it had a lot more than 'a thin film' on it. I'd have said a 'liberal coating'. It was almost dripping, certainly would have slowly flowed down the vertical sides. Maybe that is what it is supposed to have ? Seems a bit weird though, seems a lot to me to be inside the chamber.

But - the plug looks good. Bit sooty but not like it is chucking oil up past the rings. The valve seats looked OK to me, bit of carbon but not clogged.

My logic says oil coming via the carby is misted by the carby and only enters on the suck stroke (when the intake valve is open) and gets burned before it can do much. Oil past the rings is blobs of oil and would enter on all strokes (maybe not the squash stroke but the other 3), and only gets burned on the bang stroke so fouls the plug and everything else much worse.

Buggered if I know though. I learnt everything I know about it from youtube.

Sounds like a lot of oil on the bore. Normally you would hardly notice it.

Of course the real solution is to invent a replacement. I have a tonne of electric post hole diggers here that I bought off ebay. You can just add batteries and a controller, and a huge inverter, and hey presto, you have a new mower.

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FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..
Just to be factual on this.
EVERYONE who has received the 'official' jabs for SARS-Cov2 is participating in a trial, whether by choice or by mandate.

No, I don't think this is correct. In a trial there will be some people on placebos, the nurses and doctors will not know who has the active vaccine, and everyone has their results collected and analysed.

I think we have already established with a reasonable amount of certainty that reports of negative outcomes are not recorded with 100% accuracy, so it cannot be a trial.

Whatever his outcome, PsychoJoe's impact will be recorded, and hopefully investigated. If there are sufficient people with negative outcomes, then the trial will have that result.

See, you can think what you like, but that doesn't make it right.
And on that, you claim to assess information and update your opinions/knowledge, but I really don't know what happens when you read the information that more eloquent people than me post on here, but you keep hard and fast to your seemingly very ignorant viewpoint.
Either there is a bypass around your cognitive function for all things you read, or you are being deliberately disingenuous time and time again.

So, further to this, take it from the TGA directly: www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation
They explicitly state that they have only provisionally approved a number of vaccines, and are accepting rolling data from trials, becasue they are all still under trial.
You take any of the experimental 'vaccines' listed on the TGA page, you are inextricably part of the trial/s.

www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation

As usual your comprehensive and ability to understand things, pretty much sucks. If you do a search for the word 'trial' on that link you provided, you will get a reference to real trials.

I am now thinking that vaccination decreases IQ in some people but I can't say for sure as I don't know if you are vaccinated.

Tell me again about the rego thing you told me was easy to answer and then provided two different answers... apparently both 'not wrong' despite being contradictory. Any fool can use Google, and you just demonstrated that to me.

So you are saying that the provisionally approved 'vaccines', as shown on the TGA site, are not undergoing trials?
Why are they not fully approved then?

And what rego thing are you talking about?

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kiterboy said..

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..
Just to be factual on this.
EVERYONE who has received the 'official' jabs for SARS-Cov2 is participating in a trial, whether by choice or by mandate.

No, I don't think this is correct. In a trial there will be some people on placebos, the nurses and doctors will not know who has the active vaccine, and everyone has their results collected and analysed.

I think we have already established with a reasonable amount of certainty that reports of negative outcomes are not recorded with 100% accuracy, so it cannot be a trial.

Whatever his outcome, PsychoJoe's impact will be recorded, and hopefully investigated. If there are sufficient people with negative outcomes, then the trial will have that result.

See, you can think what you like, but that doesn't make it right.
And on that, you claim to assess information and update your opinions/knowledge, but I really don't know what happens when you read the information that more eloquent people than me post on here, but you keep hard and fast to your seemingly very ignorant viewpoint.
Either there is a bypass around your cognitive function for all things you read, or you are being deliberately disingenuous time and time again.

So, further to this, take it from the TGA directly: www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation
They explicitly state that they have only provisionally approved a number of vaccines, and are accepting rolling data from trials, becasue they are all still under trial.
You take any of the experimental 'vaccines' listed on the TGA page, you are inextricably part of the trial/s.

www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation

As usual your comprehensive and ability to understand things, pretty much sucks. If you do a search for the word 'trial' on that link you provided, you will get a reference to real trials.

I am now thinking that vaccination decreases IQ in some people but I can't say for sure as I don't know if you are vaccinated.

Tell me again about the rego thing you told me was easy to answer and then provided two different answers... apparently both 'not wrong' despite being contradictory. Any fool can use Google, and you just demonstrated that to me.

So you are saying that the provisionally approved 'vaccines', as shown on the TGA site, are not undergoing trials?
Why are they not fully approved then?

And what rego thing are you talking about?

I can't figure out if your comprehension is genuinely poor or you are just stubborn.

Do you even remember what you wrote? Its easy to see what you wrote a few posts back. 'EVERYONE who has received the 'official' jabs for SARS-Cov2 is participating in a trial, whether by choice or by mandate' is very different to the same vaccines undergoing clinical trials. No wonder you believe half the crap that you post. You don't know any better.

Here's an easy way to tell. Has anyone done a detailed recording of your reaction to the vaccines? If not you, any other humans you might know? You know the sort of information that is actually needed for a clinical trial.

I do apologise in advance though. I have assumed that English was your first language, and if not, I can understand how you wouldn't understand the use of the word 'trials' when it comes to vaccines.

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FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..
Just to be factual on this.
EVERYONE who has received the 'official' jabs for SARS-Cov2 is participating in a trial, whether by choice or by mandate.

No, I don't think this is correct. In a trial there will be some people on placebos, the nurses and doctors will not know who has the active vaccine, and everyone has their results collected and analysed.

I think we have already established with a reasonable amount of certainty that reports of negative outcomes are not recorded with 100% accuracy, so it cannot be a trial.

Whatever his outcome, PsychoJoe's impact will be recorded, and hopefully investigated. If there are sufficient people with negative outcomes, then the trial will have that result.

See, you can think what you like, but that doesn't make it right.
And on that, you claim to assess information and update your opinions/knowledge, but I really don't know what happens when you read the information that more eloquent people than me post on here, but you keep hard and fast to your seemingly very ignorant viewpoint.
Either there is a bypass around your cognitive function for all things you read, or you are being deliberately disingenuous time and time again.

So, further to this, take it from the TGA directly: www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation
They explicitly state that they have only provisionally approved a number of vaccines, and are accepting rolling data from trials, becasue they are all still under trial.
You take any of the experimental 'vaccines' listed on the TGA page, you are inextricably part of the trial/s.

www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation

As usual your comprehensive and ability to understand things, pretty much sucks. If you do a search for the word 'trial' on that link you provided, you will get a reference to real trials.

I am now thinking that vaccination decreases IQ in some people but I can't say for sure as I don't know if you are vaccinated.

Tell me again about the rego thing you told me was easy to answer and then provided two different answers... apparently both 'not wrong' despite being contradictory. Any fool can use Google, and you just demonstrated that to me.

So you are saying that the provisionally approved 'vaccines', as shown on the TGA site, are not undergoing trials?
Why are they not fully approved then?

And what rego thing are you talking about?

I can't figure out if your comprehension is genuinely poor or you are just stubborn.

Do you even remember what you wrote? Its easy to see what you wrote a few posts back. 'Is a trial' is very different to vaccines undergoing trials. No wonder you believe half the crap that you post. You don't know any better.

Is a trial means exactly the same thing as undergoing trial(s).

Gee, you shouldn't argue having superior comprehension from such a position of defecit.


Cars have to be registered. What's your point?

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FormulaNova said..
I have a tonne of electric post hole diggers here that I bought off ebay. You can just add batteries and a controller, and a huge inverter, and hey presto, you have a new mower.

Mmm, sounds attractive.

If they are spiral wound I might be interested.


Would you swap for a windmill ? It is a perfectly functioning windmill in good condition, was pumping water when taken down and broken. Was only demolished to replace with something that wouldn't work.

Although I am also considering getting some cows and doing away with the lawn mower. I know nothing about cows but a bloke down the pub said he had some he could sell me at a good price. He also had some snake oil, the good stuff imported from Wuhan.

Maybe I'll just use the cows as a trial for a while and see what the long term effect is ?

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Paradox said..
www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer-boss-says-two-doses-provides-limited-protection-if-any-against-omicron/news-story/9d76126d080e2010f05eb0b4ae5e0c45

Interesting read. Seems a study has confirmed 2 doses of the vaccination is only about 10% effective in preventing symptomatic disease (transmission) for Omicron.

Surely vaccine mandates are now irrelevent with no supporting science behind them.

A booster is good for 37% with a margin of error big enough to make it irrelevant

Being vaccinated still apparently protects you from serious illness and death which is all anyone should care about. Case numbers? So what? How many people are actually being put in hospital? (Hint: UCSF determined that 60% of their "COVID admissions" were actually people who arrived for something else entirely but asymptomatically tested positive.)

But yes, mandating it has been pointless pretty much since the beginning the vaccines were available. Many times more so now.