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Carantoc said..

Argh. Yep. Makes sense.

............ remery is just like just like Pcdefender then ?

Pcdefender lies and doesn't provide verifiable sources.




www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/covid-poll-a-pulse-check-of-australia-as-we-exit-the-pandemic/news-story/cb910eb5525d0dd24ca38ff5a6240822

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Infectious disease specialist Dr. Edsel Salvana also believes that COVID vaccination has nothing to do with the excess deaths in 2021, noting that the increase in mortality started "prior" to the COVID immunization program, and that deaths fell after the vaccine reached most of the population as seen during the entry of the Omicron variant."

Damn, those pesky conspiracy theory Dutch.

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/covid-vaccines-may-have-contributed-to-rise-in-excess-deaths-researchers-suggest/news-story/cdf3a64c434c29a8ebc3215ab3aa335b

bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000282

Conclusions Excess mortality has remained high in the Western World for three consecutive years, despite the implementation of containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines. This raises serious concerns. Government leaders and policymakers need to thoroughly investigate underlying causes of persistent excess mortality.

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Flying Dutchman said..

bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000282

Conclusions Excess mortality has remained high in the Western World for three consecutive years, despite the implementation of containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines. This raises serious concerns. Government leaders and policymakers need to thoroughly investigate underlying causes of persistent excess mortality.

The authors don't attempt to explain the cause of the excess deaths.



The peaks correspond with COVID-19 outbreaks/deaths.
The peaks appear to have little connection to the start of vaccination programs, other than when in the middle of an outbreak.
The linear trendline is almost horizontal, why do you suppose that is?
What do you propose government leaders and policymakers going to do?
The first author seems to have habit of requesting governments and policymakers do something about health issues around the world.

Common sense is like deodorant. The people that need it the most are least likely to use it.

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remery said...
The authors don't attempt to explain the cause of the excess deaths.

That's cool you know the answer, what is it?

What would be your response to an investigation finding that it was related to long term damage from COVID infection?

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D3 said..
What would be your response to an investigation finding that it was related to long term damage from COVID infection?

Depends if it came from a bat or escaped a lab.

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D3 said..
What would be your response to an investigation finding that it was related to long term damage from COVID infection?

Problem with your theory is it is the vaxxed who are showing this massive increase in heart problems, cancers Guillain-Barre syndrome etc.

You are trying hard to believe their lies, thankfully most are now starting to get it.


NO COINCIDENCE: Excess deaths due to cardiac arrest skyrocketed during intense vaccine campaign in Washington (newstarget.com)

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D3 said..
What would be your response to an investigation finding that it was related to long term damage from COVID infection?

His response would be, "fake news", followed by some gesticulating.

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Flying Dutchman said..

D3 said..
What would be your response to an investigation finding that it was related to long term damage from COVID infection?

Depends if it came from a bat or escaped a lab.

By "escaped" do you mean accidentally escaped?

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Flying Dutchman said..

That's cool you know the answer, what is it?

If something is missing from a paper, peer reviewers only need to point out that it is missing.

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Pcdefender said..

Problem with your theory is it is the vaxxed who are showing this massive increase in heart problems, cancers Guillain-Barre syndrome etc.

You are trying hard to believe their lies, thankfully most are now starting to get it.


NO COINCIDENCE: Excess deaths due to cardiac arrest skyrocketed during intense vaccine campaign in Washington (newstarget.com)

Most people are vaccinated, so most people will have ingrown toenails. Cause and effect.

There is not a massive increase in heart problems, cancers or Guillain-Barr? syndrome, you are just lying as usual.

Most people are not believing anti-vaxx lies, you are lying... again. Most people can't be bothered with the drivel intellectual gnats like you keep repeating.

Newstarget.com is yet another purveyor of drivel. Where do you find them all? Do you have to belong to some sort of Society of Intellectual Gnats? Do you have a secret handshake?

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psychojoe said..

In defence of the detective, I note that my verified adverse event is still not listed as a possible side effect. It wasn't a medical review that discovered the chromium is water was hexavalent not trivalent, it was a secretary.

Here's the thing, can you imagine how many anti-vax loons post to the TGA Adverse Events Database? I'll give you a clue. About 5 percent of Australians have not been vaccinated against COVID-19. However, when a newspaper recently ran a questionnaire about COVID-19 vaccine status, around 50 percent of respondents claimed they were not vaccinated. Someone is lying here ... and it's not the doctors.

Yeah, but my doctor was an actual immunologist.

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NO COINCIDENCE: Excess deaths due to cardiac arrest skyrocketed during intense vaccine campaign in Washington (newstarget.com)

Here's something from an actual university. A place I suspect you have not frequented.

mediarelations.gwu.edu/media-tip-sheet-covid-vaccines-not-linked-fatal-heart-problems-young-people-cdc-finds

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FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

remery said..

Pcdefender said..
Ottawa detective suspended for investigating babies who died from SIDS after mothers took the jab... - Revolver News

"An Ottawa police detective who opposed the force's COVID-19 mandates is under investigation for allegedly trying to find out if parents whose infants had suddenly died during the pandemic were vaccinated, CBC News has learned."

Incredible news, there are people more caught up in vaccine misinformation than you! As per the above references, I think it is related to cognitive bias, low intelligence and reasoning. Instead of dobbing me into the mods, you should thank me for guiding you.

In defence of the detective, I note that my verified adverse event is still not listed as a possible side effect. It wasn't a medical review that discovered the chromium is water was hexavalent not trivalent, it was a secretary.

Hang on, I am still confused. It is easy, so nothing special.

But, how many vaccinations have you had for Covid? On here you clearly said that you signed up for a trial (i.e. not a general publicly available vaccine), and you still seemed to have an adverse reaction.

I think at some point the researcher or whoever acknowledged it but didn't really care.

So, assuming you have only had the one vaccination, how would it be listed as a possible side effect of a trial vaccine? Did the trial become a released product, with adverse reactions listed?

I must have something wrong because your story does not make sense to me.

Same protein.
There was a time when the glycol was being blamed for reactions in an attempt to defend the protein, which was bull**** because even toothpaste is PEGylated, so I took one without the PEG, the problem remained the same, it's the protein.

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remery said..
If something is missing from a paper, peer reviewers only need to point out that it is missing.

Yeah cool, didn't think you knew.

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Flying Dutchman said..

Yeah cool, didn't think you knew.

Yeah cool, never said I did.

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Yeah cool, never said I did.

Haha your history on this subject seems pretty convinced it has nothing to do with the vax. Glad you've shifted to a more neutral stance like the possibility of a lab leak.

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Here's something from an actual university. A place I suspect you have not frequented.

mediarelations.gwu.edu/media-tip-sheet-covid-vaccines-not-linked-fatal-heart-problems-young-people-cdc-finds

A place with conflict of interests

smhs.gwu.edu/news/four-grants-awarded-gwpfizer-global-medical-collaborative-grant-program-establish

In return they parrot the narrative or they will likely receive less future grants.

Makes sense but not to those with eyes that do not want to see.

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D3 said..
What would be your response to an investigation finding that it was related to long term damage from COVID infection?

Depends if it came from a bat or escaped a lab.

How would that change anything?

Would it somehow be treated it differently? Would you take it more/less seriously?

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psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

remery said..

Pcdefender said..
Ottawa detective suspended for investigating babies who died from SIDS after mothers took the jab... - Revolver News

"An Ottawa police detective who opposed the force's COVID-19 mandates is under investigation for allegedly trying to find out if parents whose infants had suddenly died during the pandemic were vaccinated, CBC News has learned."

Incredible news, there are people more caught up in vaccine misinformation than you! As per the above references, I think it is related to cognitive bias, low intelligence and reasoning. Instead of dobbing me into the mods, you should thank me for guiding you.

In defence of the detective, I note that my verified adverse event is still not listed as a possible side effect. It wasn't a medical review that discovered the chromium is water was hexavalent not trivalent, it was a secretary.

Hang on, I am still confused. It is easy, so nothing special.

But, how many vaccinations have you had for Covid? On here you clearly said that you signed up for a trial (i.e. not a general publicly available vaccine), and you still seemed to have an adverse reaction.

I think at some point the researcher or whoever acknowledged it but didn't really care.

So, assuming you have only had the one vaccination, how would it be listed as a possible side effect of a trial vaccine? Did the trial become a released product, with adverse reactions listed?

I must have something wrong because your story does not make sense to me.

Same protein.
There was a time when the glycol was being blamed for reactions in an attempt to defend the protein, which was bull**** because even toothpaste is PEGylated, so I took one without the PEG, the problem remained the same, it's the protein.

I think FNs point is valid.
Can you clarify for us?
If you had a trial vaccine that later did not get approved, then surely your reaction to it should not be considered part of the post approval surveillance?

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Pcdefender said..

D3 said..
What would be your response to an investigation finding that it was related to long term damage from COVID infection?

Problem with your theory is it is the vaxxed who are showing this massive increase in heart problems, cancers Guillain-Barre syndrome etc.

You are trying hard to believe their lies, thankfully most are now starting to get it.


NO COINCIDENCE: Excess deaths due to cardiac arrest skyrocketed during intense vaccine campaign in Washington (newstarget.com)

If COVID vaccinations were causing issues at the rate YOU BELIEVE, then surely there would be millions of cases in Australia?

More than 60 million doses in Australia and more than 13 Billion world wide.

If the vaccines are more dangerous than the disease, then surely there'd be hundreds of millions of deaths?

Check out the Australian TGA database for yourself.

140k adverse reports or so last time i looked.

It is estimated less than ten percent of all harm is reported.

Arithmetic not your strong point?

140k reports for 60 million doses equals 0.2% of doses had a report.
Multiply that by 10 and it's still only 2 percent.

And if you read through those reports, you'll find plenty that have things like "injection site pain" and sore arm. Not many claiming the got cancer.

But take that same 2% and apply that to 13Billion doses, if what you believe to be true then there should be 260 Million more people who died, got cancer, heart problems, Guillain Barre syndrome etc.

260 million should be a pretty identifiable group of people.

Yeah but only a small number of those harmed take the time to fill in the report.

Still a shocking number of adverse reports.

But surely you've got evidence of millions of people with the diseases and syndromes you mentioned in Australia alone?

Surely there'd be hundreds of millions of the same, worldwide?

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Check out the Australian TGA database for yourself.

140k adverse reports or so last time i looked.

It is estimated less than ten percent of all harm is reported.

Arithmetic not your strong point?

Intelligence is not your strong point. Multiple adverse events can be posted by the same person. The TGA are very clear about how their data should be used, but you continually lie.

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Yeah but only a small number of those harmed take the time to fill in the report.

Still a shocking number of adverse reports.

What is shocking is that you continue to lie about the adverse events database; even though the interpretation of the data is clearly explained on the TGA website. Are you a pathological liar, or an idiot, or both?

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In return they parrot the narrative or they will likely receive less future grants.

Makes sense but not to those with eyes that do not want to see.

Or people with brains who do not want to think.

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psychojoe said..

FormulaNova said..

psychojoe said..

remery said..

Pcdefender said..
Ottawa detective suspended for investigating babies who died from SIDS after mothers took the jab... - Revolver News

"An Ottawa police detective who opposed the force's COVID-19 mandates is under investigation for allegedly trying to find out if parents whose infants had suddenly died during the pandemic were vaccinated, CBC News has learned."

Incredible news, there are people more caught up in vaccine misinformation than you! As per the above references, I think it is related to cognitive bias, low intelligence and reasoning. Instead of dobbing me into the mods, you should thank me for guiding you.

In defence of the detective, I note that my verified adverse event is still not listed as a possible side effect. It wasn't a medical review that discovered the chromium is water was hexavalent not trivalent, it was a secretary.

Hang on, I am still confused. It is easy, so nothing special.

But, how many vaccinations have you had for Covid? On here you clearly said that you signed up for a trial (i.e. not a general publicly available vaccine), and you still seemed to have an adverse reaction.

I think at some point the researcher or whoever acknowledged it but didn't really care.

So, assuming you have only had the one vaccination, how would it be listed as a possible side effect of a trial vaccine? Did the trial become a released product, with adverse reactions listed?

I must have something wrong because your story does not make sense to me.

Same protein.
There was a time when the glycol was being blamed for reactions in an attempt to defend the protein, which was bull**** because even toothpaste is PEGylated, so I took one without the PEG, the problem remained the same, it's the protein.

So, if I understand this correctly, you are referring to the protein that is used in the vaccines to look like Covid-19, i.e. the same protein as Covid-19, as in you would get the same protein if you actually caught Covid-19?