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cammd said..
You have nothing more to say because you know your wrong, your hatred for Trump is clouding your view of the bigger issue, love or hate trump is not the issue. The American legal system is being abused for political purposes. That's not good for a democracy

Merchan "hand-selected three laws-federal election law, falsification of 'other' business records and 'violation of tax laws'-as the 'unlawful means' by which state election law was violated," former Justice Department lawyer David B. Rivkin Jr. and Florida International University law professor Elizabeth Price Foley note in The Wall Street Journal. "Mr. Trump received no notice of any of these offenses, and the prosecutor briefly alluded only to federal election law, during the trial."
reason.com/2024/06/06/a-jumble-of-legal-theories-failed-to-give-trump-fair-notice-of-the-new-york-charges-against-him/

Whether you love, hate or merely tolerate Donald Trump, you should care about due process, which is fundamental to the rule of law. New York's trial of Mr. Trump violated basic due-process principles.
www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-trial-violated-due-process-76fae047

lol
Your arrogance knows no bounds, I know Im right because I can work out dates and have complete faith in Alvin Briggs ability as a District Attorney.

Your creepy unrequited love for Trump has completely obscured your view if you think Trump is for democracy. Do you not remember his involvement in The January 6 2020 insurrection or his desire to implement Project 2025 that will end democracy in the United States and lay the ground work for him to become a dictator.

Anyhow I hope DJT enjoys his meeting with his probation officer today

Improves ability to fight off virus, this helps:
-Reduces duration of infection
-Reduces viral load

This reduces your likelihood of spreading virus

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IanR said..

cammd said..
You have nothing more to say because you know your wrong, your hatred for Trump is clouding your view of the bigger issue, love or hate trump is not the issue. The American legal system is being abused for political purposes. That's not good for a democracy

Merchan "hand-selected three laws-federal election law, falsification of 'other' business records and 'violation of tax laws'-as the 'unlawful means' by which state election law was violated," former Justice Department lawyer David B. Rivkin Jr. and Florida International University law professor Elizabeth Price Foley note in The Wall Street Journal. "Mr. Trump received no notice of any of these offenses, and the prosecutor briefly alluded only to federal election law, during the trial."
reason.com/2024/06/06/a-jumble-of-legal-theories-failed-to-give-trump-fair-notice-of-the-new-york-charges-against-him/

Whether you love, hate or merely tolerate Donald Trump, you should care about due process, which is fundamental to the rule of law. New York's trial of Mr. Trump violated basic due-process principles.
www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-trial-violated-due-process-76fae047

lol
Your arrogance knows no bounds, I know Im right because I can work out dates and have complete faith in Alvin Briggs ability as a District Attorney.

Your creepy unrequited love for Trump has completely obscured your view if you think Trump is for democracy. Do you not remember his involvement in The January 6 2020 insurrection or his desire to implement Project 2025 that will end democracy in the United States and lay the ground work for him to become a dictator.

Anyhow I hope DJT enjoys his meeting with his probation officer today

Well done with working out dates, now try your hand at reading, start with the references I posted above.

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D3 said..
Can improve ability to fight off virus, this helps:
-Reduces duration of infection
-Reduces viral load

This reduces your likelihood of spreading virus

There's a big difference between can, and will.

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So blaming the correct source will fix the problem?

What is your perspective on what the problem is?

Do I really need to answer this?

So if they find smoking gun evidence that this exact virus was leaked (unintentionally or deliberately) from a specific lab.

People are suddenly going to stop getting sick from it?

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psychojoe said..

There's a big difference between can, and will.

There's a big difference between "did" and "could have".

But that doesn't stop you telling us the virus "did" escape from a lab.

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psychojoe said..

D3 said..
Can improve ability to fight off virus, this helps:
-Reduces duration of infection
-Reduces viral load

This reduces your likelihood of spreading virus

There's a big difference between can, and will.

Because human bodies are tricky.

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remery said..

psychojoe said..

There's a big difference between can, and will.

There's a big difference between "did" and "could have".

But that doesn't stop you telling us the virus "did" escape from a lab.

You must have me mixed up with someone else.
Knowing that an RNA strand is about 30,000 nucleotides long, and if I take about 6,000 nucleotides of let's say HIV glycoprotein and insert that into any old animal virus, I can create a virus with that same nucleocapsid protein that'll bond to human angiotensin converting enzyme 2 receptors, which means that I'm very suspicious of any American that owns a CRISPR.

Never forget and never let repeat

Yes, the unvaccinated did prolong the pandemic.

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remery said..
Yes, the unvaccinated did prolong the pandemic.

Hey, at least we didn't start it.

And, looking at the evidence, we still don't know who/what did.

No one has a smoking gun that it came from a lab.

No one has proof that specifically came from an identified spill over in a natural setting

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D3 said..
And, looking at the evidence, we still don't know who/what did.

No one has a smoking gun that it came from a lab.

No one has proof that specifically came from an identified spill over in a natural setting

Just so happens to be a coronavirus lab in the same town it all started. But came from a pangolin, yeah ok.

Here we are pouring shiit on a few covid unvaccinated people and 25 million died because of a lab leak. What a colossal fark up. Anyone trumpeting on about looney anti-vaxxers are sounding deranged. This is likely the biggest scientific blunder in human history.

Some scientists farked up, a virus has escaped a lab, we locked ourselves in our houses like good lemmings, pharma made billions, lockdowns kicked off high inflation and massive transfers of wealth made most people poorer.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/03/opinion/covid-lab-leak.html

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Flying Dutchman said..

Some scientists farked up, a virus has escaped a lab, we locked ourselves in our houses like good lemmings, pharma made billions, lockdowns kicked off high inflation and massive transfers of wealth made most people poorer.

I'm with you for the first bit. Scientists screwed up and released a virus. People isolated. 'Big Pharma' had to make vaccines.

But here is where it breaks apart. Lockdowns pretty much went the other way. Spending stopped immediately for a lot of things. Then people got bored and started buying things online.

Governments all over the world tried to keep their economies afloat so they tried to stimulate their economies by either giving people money or spending it. They did stimulate their economies. As is normal, inflation went up. Interest rates then went up to try and control inflation. This is how economies work, although usually a bit slower and no pandemic to kick start a boom.

Massive transfers of wealth? I must have missed this part? Who got a lot more money that they weren't already getting?

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And, looking at the evidence...

What evidence ?

The evidence no investigation into evidence is permitted.

An Aussie polician makes a comment that there should be a full and transparent investigation to obtain evidence and suddenly the host nation imposes diplomatic bans and trade tarriffs on everything from lobsters to coal.

It is evident a lab is doing work paid for by US government agencies in enhancing the function of covid virus' because it is illegal to do the same work in the US. It is also evident this Chinese state controlled entity lab is right at the centre of the outbreak.

But evidently no full independant investigation is permitted. The conclusion of the WHO and other international agencies who tried to investiagte is that the lab was obstructive, did not allow access and did not provide answers to questions sought, thus no evidence could be obtained.

I guess the deliberate witholding of potential evidence and the threats that came with it means there is no evidence.

I bet you'd have more chance of getting a transcript of an the interview with the bat than with the managers and techncians of the lab.

Like I said, no one has convincing proof that it came from a pangolin.

Just like no one can point to the specific leak point.

It's all just circumstantial.

And you can discuss it without having to cry about a grand conspiracy or cover up .


But even if it is identified to have leaked from a particular lab, on a particular day, and spread into general population at a particular location.

How is that information going to help people today and this winter?


It will give us a starting point to help prevent another lab leak.

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Carantoc said..

An Aussie polician makes a comment that there should be a full and transparent investigation to obtain evidence and suddenly the host nation imposes diplomatic bans and trade tarriffs on everything from lobsters to coal.

Ahhh, yes . This is obviously smoking gun evidence of lab leak.

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Carantoc said..

It is evident a lab is doing work paid for by US government agencies in enhancing the function of covid virus' because it is illegal to do the same work in the US. It is also evident this Chinese state controlled entity lab is right at the centre of the outbreak.

Really?
You have evidence that they were doing that at the time or shortly prior to cases being identified in the population?

All I can find is a couple of rejected funding proposals (which actually included some work specifically to be done in USA)

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FormulaNova said..
Massive transfers of wealth? I must have missed this part? Who got a lot more money that they weren't already getting?

www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/ten-richest-men-double-their-fortunes-pandemic-while-incomes-99-percent-humanity

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D3 said..
How is that information going to help people today and this winter?

What do you mean, the 9 booster vaccine is safe and effective right?

Just get vaxxed D3, you're not going to get covid.



Remember the good 'ol days when 2 shots meant you were 'fully vaccinated?' Can anyone define "fully"?

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D3 said..
And, looking at the evidence...

What evidence ?

The evidence no investigation into evidence is permitted.

An Aussie polician makes a comment that there should be a full and transparent investigation to obtain evidence and suddenly the host nation imposes diplomatic bans and trade tarriffs on everything from lobsters to coal.

It is evident a lab is doing work paid for by US government agencies in enhancing the function of covid virus' because it is illegal to do the same work in the US. It is also evident this Chinese state controlled entity lab is right at the centre of the outbreak.

But evidently no full independant investigation is permitted. The conclusion of the WHO and other international agencies who tried to investiagte is that the lab was obstructive, did not allow access and did not provide answers to questions sought, thus no evidence could be obtained.

I guess the deliberate witholding of potential evidence and the threats that came with it means there is no evidence.

I bet you'd have more chance of getting a transcript of an the interview with the bat than with the managers and techncians of the lab.

This adds nothing, just more suspicion, lots more suspicion. And why does everyone think you need a fancy lab in Wuhan to create a virus, for $6,000 you could make it in the basement.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/deleted-coronavirus-genome-sequences-trigger-scientific-intrigue/

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Flying Dutchman said..

D3 said..
How is that information going to help people today and this winter?

What do you mean, the 9 booster vaccine is safe and effective right?

Just get vaxxed D3, you're not going to get covid.

Remember the good 'ol days when 2 shots meant you were 'fully vaccinated?' Can anyone define "fully"?

I live in a place where fully is usually followed by the word sick. Government control, Illuminati symbolism or plain coincidence?

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Flying Dutchman said..
I like how science started the pandemic but everyone blames the unvaccinated for the problem.

You blame science for causing/creating the pandemic.

I get that.

But what do you see as the problem now?

You seem (from your last few posts at least) convinced that if the source of SARS-CoV-2 is pinned on a Chinese lab, it will somehow make COVID a non issue?
(Speculation here, please clarify)

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Flying Dutchman said..

Remember the good 'ol days when 2 shots meant you were 'fully vaccinated?' Can anyone define "fully"?

Yep, remember when the vaccine was released and the protection provided by it hadn't waned yet? That was fully vaccinated.

But then it was identified that protection declined over time, whether vaccine or infection induced, and then the recommendation changed based on the evidence available at the time.

And now, it's a vaccine that you can get a booster for as the protection wanes or in time for seasonal peaks in transmission.

Just like Pertussis, tetanus, influenza etc.

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D3 said..

Flying Dutchman said..

Remember the good 'ol days when 2 shots meant you were 'fully vaccinated?' Can anyone define "fully"?

Yep, remember when the vaccine was released and the protection provided by it hadn't waned yet? That was fully vaccinated.

But then it was identified that protection declined over time, whether vaccine or infection induced, and then the recommendation changed based on the evidence available at the time.

And now, it's a vaccine that you can get a booster for as the protection wanes or in time for seasonal peaks in transmission.

Just like Pertussis, tetanus, influenza etc.

D3, I just want to take a moment to thank you for all of your considered responses. It's nice to have an academic on the forum who's willing to address the concerns of pretty much anyone.

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D3 said..
Yep, remember when the vaccine was released and the protection provided by it hadn't waned yet? That was fully vaccinated.

But then it was identified that protection declined over time, whether vaccine or infection induced, and then the recommendation changed based on the evidence available at the time.

And now, it's a vaccine that you can get a booster for as the protection wanes or in time for seasonal peaks in transmission.

Just like Pertussis, tetanus, influenza etc.

No I don't remember a time when it didn't wane.... because well, that's all it ever did.

If I need a tetanus injection every 6 months to get protection and yet it starts waning heavily after a few weeks I'd be generous calling it a vaccine.

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D3 said..
You blame science for causing/creating the pandemic.

I get that.

But what do you see as the problem now?

You seem (from your last few posts at least) convinced that if the source of SARS-CoV-2 is pinned on a Chinese lab, it will somehow make COVID a non issue?
(Speculation here, please clarify)

I never said if we pin Covid on a Lab Leak it will make Covid a non issue.

I'm just tired of the last few years how the media, society, government and certain individuals on here banging on about 'anti-vaxxers'. It's like drivers complaining about cyclists holding up traffic. It's a non issue.

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FormulaNova said..
Massive transfers of wealth? I must have missed this part? Who got a lot more money that they weren't already getting?

www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/ten-richest-men-double-their-fortunes-pandemic-while-incomes-99-percent-humanity

Wow, I need to reset my expectations. I was thinking it must have been something horrendous where someone was making a killing somehow from creating a pandemic and the matching vaccines. Instead, it is an assertion that existing billionaires made more money on the share market or whatever industry they were in.

Consider me not-surprised.

I guess its my fault for assuming you were talking about some big conspiracy. Instead you were just talking about real life.

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"We've been broken down spiritually, mentally and physically. They hit us from every angle the past few years. No shots for me but I still feel affected.

"This is well stated. I was going to say half the people were beaten into submission with everything. Then the other half were shunned and shamed for not going along. People got fired, deplatformed, ridiculed. Everybody was traumatized by our government and there are still halfwits that trust the government.

"Exactly. I didn't get the clot shot and neither did hubby. But neither of us feel right. I think that the hateful ostracism and people wishing us dead (do you guys remember that?), has caused me to see people in a way that I really didn't want to I used to wonder how the holocaust could have occurred, I don't anymore. I can't unsee it. The worst part is, deep down we all know they are going to do it again.

"Well said. I have become very bitter & angry towards those people who wished us dead. People showed their true colours throughout the plandemic. I don't think I can ever forgive many of them.

"I will never forget what they did to us.


People changed after vaccines : r/conspiracy (reddit.com)