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D3 said..
Really? Spike protein RNA can transcribe into DNA?

In the flat earth world it does.

Maybe if it was a retrovirus?

But if what Joe claims is true? Then I'd be much more worried about actually catching COVID than I am now.

You already know that COVID has led to cases of death and total permanent disability. Not sure how this would elevate your concern.

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McCullough is just marketing his own brands of supplements, just like Alex Jones and countless others, pushing unnecessary vitamins and herbs.

Don't forget Andrew Wakefield, "British fraudster, discredited academic, anti-vaccine activist, and former physician."

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D3 said..

remery said..

D3 said..
Really? Spike protein RNA can transcribe into DNA?

In the flat earth world it does.

Maybe if it was a retrovirus?

But if what Joe claims is true? Then I'd be much more worried about actually catching COVID than I am now.

You already know that COVID has led to cases of death and total permanent disability. Not sure how this would elevate your concern.

If COVID spike protein mRNA can be reversed transcribed into DNA?

Then an infection would expose me to massive amounts of that occurring.

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So Japie, the founder of Homeopathy made up the term Allopathic back in the early 1800's to describe medicine that wasn't Homeopathy.

It is a term that people in the SCAM world use to describe modern medicine today, not actually what modern, conventional medicine is called.

Since then, modern medicine has changed dramatically and actually works. Homeopathy hasn't changed and still doesn't work.

The term allopathisch was introduced by the German physician Samuel Hahnemann (1755-1843), in opposition to his earlier coinage hom?opathisch (from Merriam Webster)

Got it. Modern medicine.
Only a clot would deny that massive progress has been made in the past 100 years.

I'd not be able to kite were it not for two successful operations way back. Cured of malaria as a kid. Even got a vitamin deficiency story.

Three months of hideous pain and disgusting carbuncles caused by a coral induced staph infection. Four quacks, four doses of antibiotics. Final doctor took a blood sample. Called me the following day to see him where he informed me that I had a B12 deficiency. Gave me an injection there and then with three more to follow up and whoosh, bye bye infection.

But also only a clot will deny that the pharmaceutical industry has a record that makes Mengele look like Mother Teresa. Sure they've produced some incredible products. There is also a trail of bodies all over the world.

The plandemic is the ultimate example.

And deny it as enthusiastically as you like, the truth is seeping out and people will look back on this era in awe of our capacity to be hoodwinked into accepting the BS.

Just pointing out that Allopathic medicine is a made up term and is not modern, conventional medicine.

Okay, so take us back to early 2020 and tell us what you think the government should have done with their knowledge that Vitamin D deficiency was being associated with susceptibility to COVID infection?

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psychojoe said..

D3 said..

remery said..

D3 said..
Really? Spike protein RNA can transcribe into DNA?

In the flat earth world it does.

Maybe if it was a retrovirus?

But if what Joe claims is true? Then I'd be much more worried about actually catching COVID than I am now.

You already know that COVID has led to cases of death and total permanent disability. Not sure how this would elevate your concern.

If COVID spike protein mRNA can be reversed transcribed into DNA?

Then an infection would expose me to massive amounts of that occurring.

That's right. And for some people, the outcome is tragic. Fortunately gene expression is far more complicated than that, and the bunch of natural protections afforded to most of us.
I've decided I'm unwilling to learn microbiology to the level where I can explain this. And although it's already difficult to understand the interaction of nucleic acids, I can assure you this science is in its infancy, much of our knowledge will be proven slightly incorrect.

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japie said..

D3 said..
So Japie, the founder of Homeopathy made up the term Allopathic back in the early 1800's to describe medicine that wasn't Homeopathy.

It is a term that people in the SCAM world use to describe modern medicine today, not actually what modern, conventional medicine is called.

Since then, modern medicine has changed dramatically and actually works. Homeopathy hasn't changed and still doesn't work.

The term allopathisch was introduced by the German physician Samuel Hahnemann (1755-1843), in opposition to his earlier coinage hom?opathisch (from Merriam Webster)

Got it. Modern medicine.
Only a clot would deny that massive progress has been made in the past 100 years.

I'd not be able to kite were it not for two successful operations way back. Cured of malaria as a kid. Even got a vitamin deficiency story.

Three months of hideous pain and disgusting carbuncles caused by a coral induced staph infection. Four quacks, four doses of antibiotics. Final doctor took a blood sample. Called me the following day to see him where he informed me that I had a B12 deficiency. Gave me an injection there and then with three more to follow up and whoosh, bye bye infection.

But also only a clot will deny that the pharmaceutical industry has a record that makes Mengele look like Mother Teresa. Sure they've produced some incredible products. There is also a trail of bodies all over the world.

The plandemic is the ultimate example.

And deny it as enthusiastically as you like, the truth is seeping out and people will look back on this era in awe of our capacity to be hoodwinked into accepting the BS.

Just pointing out that Allopathic medicine is a made up term and is not modern, conventional medicine.

Okay, so take us back to early 2020 and tell us what you think the government should have done with their knowledge that Vitamin D deficiency was being associated with susceptibility to COVID infection?

I think that what should have been done is that everyone in the government agencies charged with issuing health advice should have been encouraging people to ascertain what their vitamin D level was. They should be doing it now because it, amongst other potential deficiencies, can and does put a person at risk of succumbing to a large number of ailments. Many of them potentially lethal.

Of course there are those who would argue that widespread blood testing would put unnecessary financial pressure on Medicare. Which is nonsense because widespread vitamin d deficiency likely has an even greater financial impact.

I have always been suspicious of the health industries motives. It stands to reason that a healthy population will deliver proportionally less profits than an unhealthy one. It is therefore logical that its agents would endeavour to suppress information which would result in a healthy population. I know many would have difficulty believing that there are people who would engage in that. Having worked at a reasonably elevated position in a large corporation it comes as no surprise to me. I read Robert Kennedy's The Real Deal Anthony Fauci. He discusses at length the level of corporate capture of all government agencies, not just the health sector which confirmed to me that I was on the right track.

So back to vitamin D. I grew up in Africa and like most people who have lived their life at those latitudes exposure to the sun was inevitable. Having relatively fair skin it became second nature to gauge when to seek shade. Getting sun burned is not fun. By the same token I also knew that exposure to the sun was healthy. Then all of a sudden bang! Sun causes melanoma.

So what changed? Obviously where there was previously no or little melanoma there now is. But how did the sun cause it? The ozone layer perhaps? I've yet to find a lucid explanation.

One of the things that has changed remarkably is our diet.

Anyone with a fundamental understanding of biology, (which I have having undertaken tertiary education which required that), will know that the mammalian body has three facets for excreting waste products, urine, sweat and feces. The skin is often described as the third kidney. And one of the things that it has been asked to do in recent times is to get rid of the plethora of chemical substances which have never before been introduced to our bodies.

Bob's your Uncle. Skin Cancer.

But it's been hammered into us over the past twenty years to stay out of the sun. Not to stay out of the sun and supplement the missing vitamin D. Just stay out of the sun. And bang there you have widespread vitamin D deficiency and the corresponding ill health.
That's my take on it anyhow. I may well be wrong. Someone once asked me to show a peer reviewed study to prove it. My response was no. You show me a peer reviewed study that proves that the sun causes melanoma. Lots of writing but no peer reviewed studies.

So, your recommendation is that the government should have come out with a campaign to get people to check their Vitamin D levels and then get on to supplementation if they were deemed deficient.
Seems fair enough, as long as it was based on at least some good evidence.

Estimates put Vitamin D deficiency rates in Australia around the 25% of the population

Then I ask, what else should they have been doing?
There was, at the same time, plenty of evidence that Covid was a significant problem for people who weren't deficient in Vitamin D.

(Speaking of industry motives, haven't had much luck finding information about vitamin D from early 2020, but I did find some later in 2020 that were written by Vitamin and Supplement manufacturers and salespeople)

Onto Skin Cancer, could you , using your fundamental understanding of Biology, describe the pathway of an ingested chemical substance through to the sweat glands and how it might then cause cancer?
The pedant in me feels the need to point out that everything we eat is a "chemical substance"

If you would like to look up a few papers?
Ultraviolet Radiation Exposure and Its Impact on Skin Cancer Risk. Meg Watson, Dawn M. Holman, Maryellen Maguire-Eisen. 2016
This one is review of the evidence that UV exposure can cause skin cancer

UV Signature Mutations. Douglas E Brash, 2015
Here they found they can identify mutations in DNA that are specific to UV exposure

A lot of the vit D deficient people are old anyway, and it's pretty standard for aged care patients to be on vit D supplements. The only young people I know that are deficient have dark skin and work indoors.

What the government really needs to address is the culture of poor eating habits. Surprisingly McDonalds have leant their support.

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what is she doing? Looking for McNuggets?

and two different people

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Anyone with a fundamental understanding of biology, (which I have having undertaken tertiary education which required that), will know that the mammalian body has three facets for excreting waste products, urine, sweat and feces. The skin is often described as the third kidney. And one of the things that it has been asked to do in recent times is to get rid of the plethora of chemical substances which have never before been introduced to our bodies.
Bob's your Uncle. Skin Cancer.

"The role of sweating to eliminate waste products and toxicants seems to be minor compared with other avenues of excretion via the kidneys and gastrointestinal tract; as eccrine glands do not adapt to increase excretion rates either via concentrating sweat or increasing overall sweating rate. Studies suggesting a larger role of sweat glands in clearing waste products or toxicants from the body may be an artifact of methodological issues rather than evidence for selective transport. Furthermore, unlike the renal system, it seems that sweat glands do not conserve water loss or concentrate sweat fluid through vasopressin-mediated water reabsorption."

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6773238/

I suppose, more accurately, what I meant to ask.

Are you suggesting that we are sweating out carcinogens?

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I suppose, more accurately, what I meant to ask.

Are you suggesting that we are sweating out carcinogens?

Still not the right question,

Ignore it, as I'm pretty sure I've smelled people sweating booze. Although I wonder if they were actually sweating ethanol or just various aromatic/volatiles?

Obviously this is just my opinion but I think the problem is that we are actually not sweating them out.

I know what you mean about alcohol but the odour could well be coming from breath. Mind you, if you've shared a hot truck cab with a gym junkie full of steroids and a gut full of supplements you realise that the pong emanates from their skin.

In today's age we are bombarded with chemical compounds that the human body has never before had to deal with. It stands to reason that many of them are likely to have bad effects. We know they do because it's been proven.

Bill Gates was asked during a interview what the return on his investment into vaccines was.

It was pointed out to him he has spent over 10 billion dolllars on them in the last two decades.

He then said the return was OVER 20 to one, so he has made roughly 190 billion dollars.

No motivation there....

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He then said the return was OVER 20 to one, so he has made roughly 190 billion dollars.

No motivation there....

seems very unlikely since his total wealth is $130 billion, 75% of his wealth is in Microsoft stock.

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Bill Gates was asked during a interview what the return on his investment into vaccines was.

It was pointed out to him he has spent over 10 billion dolllars on them in the last two decades.

He then said the return was OVER 20 to one, so he has made roughly 190 billion dollars.

No motivation there....

That seems a vary narrow-minded view from yourself there PM33.

If I asked what was your return on taking the day off work and going windsurfing I am sure your answer wouldn't be -100%, i.e complete loss of wage plus additional expenses.

Perhaps Bill was referring to the millions of kids saved from agonising deaths in his assessment of a positive return on his investment.

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Bill Gates was asked during a interview what the return on his investment into vaccines was.

It was pointed out to him he has spent over 10 billion dolllars on them in the last two decades.

He then said the return was OVER 20 to one, so he has made roughly 190 billion dollars.

No motivation there....

You really should do SOME research when you read these things. SOME is easy.

Especially when what you are suggesting makes no sense. But in this case the lack of fact checking seems to support your view of the world so you are happy to stop with that and not bother.

Well, I can help you out. The ROI is from economic benefits, not to Bill Gates' personal wealth. The guy is loaded and has clearly reached a point in his life where he sees that he has everything he could possibly want and has figured out that he too will die and wants to make his money do something useful.

www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/bill-gates-turns-10-billion-into-200-billion-worth-of-economic-benefit.html

Beats me why some of you guys think that a billionaire really cares about making more money. At that point in their lives they have gotten enough to live a life with anything they really want, but they still have the same drive and ambition that they always had. So they can apply that drive to something else. The money doesn't matter.

Here's a quote from that article:

"We feel there's been over a 20-to-1 return," yielding $200 billion over those 20 or so years, Gates told CNBC's Becky Quick on "Squawk Box" from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. "Helping young children live, get the right nutrition, contribute to their countries - that has a payback that goes beyond any typical financial return."

Please, do some research on things. You just make yourself look like a fool that only has one focus.

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Bill Gates was asked during a interview what the return on his investment into vaccines was.

It was pointed out to him he has spent over 10 billion dolllars on them in the last two decades.

He then said the return was OVER 20 to one, so he has made roughly 190 billion dollars.

No motivation there....

Liar.

"The $10 billion that we gave to help provide vaccines, drugs, bed nets and other supplies in developing countries created an estimated $200 billion in social and economic benefits," Gates wrote. He had said that the $200 billion return on investment was calculated by the Copenhagen Consensus Center."

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Pcdefender said..
Bill Gates was asked during a interview what the return on his investment into vaccines was.

It was pointed out to him he has spent over 10 billion dolllars on them in the last two decades.

He then said the return was OVER 20 to one, so he has made roughly 190 billion dollars.

No motivation there....

Liar.

"The $10 billion that we gave to help provide vaccines, drugs, bed nets and other supplies in developing countries created an estimated $200 billion in social and economic benefits," Gates wrote. He had said that the $200 billion return on investment was calculated by the Copenhagen Consensus Center."

Again, I don't think you can call him a liar if he is genuinely clueless

Seriously, I don't know why none of these people do a little bit of a check on this stuff. It's almost like someone on the other side of the planet sends them a snippet of info and that's enough to go on.

If Bill Gates wanted to make billions from people he would be trying to make vaccines free and compulsory in developing countries, and then step in a year later and not make them free. But who in these developing countries has Billions of dollars spare?

He would be better off selling us into Windows 11 against our will.

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Liar.

Our resident abuser again.

FN i did not just read it i listened to him say what i wrote.

You can put your own slant on where the money went.

Bill is but a pawn so i would expect he would receive only a small amount.

Looking at the numbers vaccines surely must be one of the most profitable things ever invented.

With all the harm they have caused they get repeated customers.

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remery said..

Liar.

Our resident abuser again.

FN i did not just read it i listened to him say what i wrote.

You can put your own slant on where the money went.

Bill is but a pawn so i would expect he would receive only a small amount.

Looking at the numbers vaccines surely must be one of the most profitable things ever invented.

With all the harm they have caused they get repeated customers.

Okay, I will buy in. What were you listening to so that I can also listen to it? Please post a URL.

I hope it is not the 26 second editted video mentioned in this fact check:
factcheck.afp.com/misleading-facebook-post-claims-bill-gates-making-200-billion-vaccine?

Pcdefender? Wooohooo? Where are you?

I am still waiting to see this video where Bill Gates admitted how much money he made from vaccines.

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Pcdefender? Wooohooo? Where are you?

I am still waiting to see this video where Bill Gates admitted how much money he made from vaccines.

It's with the video where Gates admits the vaccine's purpose is population control.

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FormulaNova said..
Pcdefender? Wooohooo? Where are you?

I am still waiting to see this video where Bill Gates admitted how much money he made from vaccines.

It's with the video where Gates admits the vaccine's purpose is population control.

Is that the same one where you can see the shadows of the reptilian overlords in the background?

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FormulaNova said..
Pcdefender? Wooohooo? Where are you?

I am still waiting to see this video where Bill Gates admitted how much money he made from vaccines.

It's with the video where Gates admits the vaccine's purpose is population control.

I wonder if the true believers see the cut in the footage and realise they are being shown the edited version?

Clearly edited to show a misleading perspective.

Rubbish.

You are able to determine its been edited without even looking at it lol.

Another psyops to yourself aka cognitive dissonance.

How do you sleep at night?

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Rubbish.

You are able to determine its been edited without even looking at it lol.

Another psyops to yourself aka cognitive dissonance.

How do you sleep at night?

If it is the 26 second video that seems to have been on Facebook, it is clear that it has been cut and pasted so that the people it is targeted at think a certain way. On Youtube they seem to call these things 'jump cuts', so seeing the conversation change like that would make you think something is not quite right.

But you still haven't posted a link to the video you have watched. Why not?

I sleep pretty well. At first I thought 'the world is screwed with people like that', then I remembered that there are a lot of different people in the world and whether it is screwed or not is not my problem. If human nature breeds people of all types, well, that's just the way it is.

Video? Where is it?

A link to it so that I can have that cognitive dissonance you keep on going on about. I never liked Bill Gates, but since he has started giving away his money, my opinion of him has changed. So paste that video up and I can have the CD that you always wanted me to have.

I bet you don't though.

The clip of him saying it was posted by Jeff Berwick on his latest video.

From 22 to 23 minutes.

KILL GATES: Dead Presidents, Globalist Warlords And Vaxx Genocide (odysee.com)


You can also find the link here.

KILL GATES: Dead Presidents, Globalist Warlords And Vaxx Genocide (dollarvigilante.com)

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Rubbish.

You are able to determine its been edited without even looking at it lol.

Another psyops to yourself aka cognitive dissonance.

How do you sleep at night?

I sleep well knowing that the noisy idiots like you are in the minority. The smart people just keep quite and get on with improving the world we live in.