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D3 said..

Except that there's a well understood progression of disease with Sars cov 2 infection.

So it's much easier to ascertain the causative impact of infection.

Where as this guy was just a vaccinated person who died of natural causes.

I think there is a big difference between someone getting vaccinated, feeling fine and dying three weeks later... and... someone catching covid, going to hospital, then intensive care, then on a ventilator, then dying of multiple organ failure three weeks later.

It's all good, Google Maps shows the bridge as "temporarily closed".

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Pcdefender said..

Yeah, it has already made the rounds on the 'funny' images thread.

You are last in the list to get new memes it seems. Get onto it quicker.

It's almost like some people repeat stuff they get sent, but only the really simple stuff.

It needed posting again and i expect a full bar of green thumbs lol.

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Pcdefender said..
It needed posting again and i expect a full bar of green thumbs lol.

I cannot comment on that because my social-credit points are low and someone is filtering my internet feed. I was going to say horse-****, but the censors don't seem to like that. I think it is

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Flying Dutchman said..

How's that YouTube income working out for Nurse Campbell since he switched from legitimate training videos to conspiracy videos? Follow the money.

He who pays the fiddler has no say whatsoever in the truth.

Really John? you don't say

Not sure what you achieved here FD?

John even admits that lockdowns , mask wearing, social distancing all worked to delay mass infection of the population.

Then he goes on to claim that Sweden didn't close down or shut schools.
Except, they did.
Why doesn't he say that?

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D3 said..
Not sure what you achieved here FD?

John even admits that lockdowns , mask wearing, social distancing all worked to delay mass infection of the population.

Then he goes on to claim that Sweden didn't close down or shut schools.
Except, they did.
Why doesn't he say that?

Anyone want to know share prices from last year? What about the winning lotto numbers from 4 years ago?

I can tell you lots about the past, unfortunately telling the future is not so certain. This guy seems to think you can, but one thing that I think is pretty certain is that no matter what you do, someone down the line will tell you "you should have done it this way".

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D3 said..
Not sure what you achieved here FD?

John even admits that lockdowns , mask wearing, social distancing all worked to delay mass infection of the population.

Then he goes on to claim that Sweden didn't close down or shut schools.
Except, they did.
Why doesn't he say that?

theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338

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remery said..

D3 said..
Not sure what you achieved here FD?

John even admits that lockdowns , mask wearing, social distancing all worked to delay mass infection of the population.

Then he goes on to claim that Sweden didn't close down or shut schools.
Except, they did.
Why doesn't he say that?

theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338

I read that article some time ago. It's ****. Excludes and downplays all the positives of the strategy. From memory it also blames Sweden for having to suffer the kneejerk reactions of their neighbours. Nothing like the account put forward by Dr. Sebastian Rushworth, an actual Swedish doctor treating patients who were actually dying or living.

"Denmark and Sweden are highly alike when it comes to cultural, socioeconomic, and healthcare structures. However, differences in political organization and constitutional rights have led to very different strategies for handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Denmark quickly adopted extensive provisionary legislative changes in order to bypass constitutional rights and to enforce national lockdown to avoid overburdening of the healthcare system. This resulted in closing of childcare, schools, borders, restaurants and nightlife, non-essential shops as hairdressers, and such. In addition, visits to nursing homes were restricted and employees in the public sector with non-essential functions were referred to work from home. Hospitals halted non-acute activities. In addition, facemasks were required from early fall in public transportation and later in all public spaces and shops. Sweden did not bypass constitutional rights and thus kept the society running with advice on distancing and avoidance of social gatherings, although schools for children older than 16 years of age were closed during the peaks of the epidemic in spring and winter of 2020."

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/apm.13133

^ hey remery,

Just so I understand what that graph is actually of could you confirm what the axis is showing when it is titled COVID-19 Realted Deaths in Numbers.

Is it a spelling error, and thus the entire premise of any argument after that should now be invalid (using the previously agreed logic).

Although, if I were to ignore the spelling error, then what are Covid-19 Realtered Deaths in Numbers ?.

Are they deaths within 30 days of a positive covid test, with the numbers then also re-altered to fit some required outcome ?

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Carantoc said..
^ hey remery,

Just so I understand what that graph is actually of could you confirm what the axis is showing when it is titled COVID-19 Realted Deaths in Numbers.

Is it a spelling error, and thus the entire premise of any argument after that should now be invalid (using the previously agreed logic).

Although, if I were to ignore the spelling error, then what are Covid-19 Realtered Deaths in Numbers ?.

Are they deaths within 30 days of a positive covid test, with the numbers then also re-altered to fit some required outcome ?

Read the paper. That's why I provided the reference.

"The cumulative number of COVID-19-related deaths in Sweden as of January 2020 was 9262 (899 per million inhabitants) compared to 1487 in Denmark (255 per million inhabitants) [4]. Figure 4 illustrates the number of daily COVID-19-related deaths [4]. The biphasic shape of the mortality curves in the two countries resemble those of the epidemic curves. In both countries, COVID-19-associated mortality peaked in spring in mid-April with 80-100 daily registered COVID-19-associated deaths in Sweden compared to 15-20 in Denmark. Similar to the numbers of daily infections and ICU admissions, the COVID-19-associated mortality in Denmark decreased to low numbers already by the end of May, whereas in Sweden the decrease in mortality first occurred by the end of July. Mortality rose during autumn/winter in both countries, again with a relatively steeper increase in Sweden than in Denmark. In Sweden, mortality increased from 10 to 60 daily COVID-19-related deaths from end of October to mid-November, whereas COVID-19-related deaths in Denmark only rose from about 5-15 per day in the same period."

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remery said..
Read the paper. That's why I provided the reference.

Yeah but, but... that doesn't make any sense.

..because previously the rule was that we should not listen to what somebody has to say if they can't be bothered to spell things correctly, and we certainly aren't to pay for the priviledge of hearing their message.

So I understood I should doubly definitely not pay to read the paper if the author(s) make a spelling mistake AND it is then repeated by a Seabreeze forum re-poster.

I am now understanding this scientific rule is only valid if you have already decided you don't want to read / listen / consider the matter, and is not valid if the issues at hand confirm your already concluded opinion.


**** -me. $59 to read the paper and I am not even allowed to disseminate the info to anyone else once I have read it.

I reckon I'd rather pay, oh lets say $140 for arguments sake, to meet and listen to the author and another couple of subject peers, be able to interact, ask questions and get live responses and also have a few sammies thrown in at the mid-break interval. Plus - at the end of it get a free youtube vid of what happened and be encouraged to freely disseminate it to anyone I want to.

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Carantoc said..
^ hey remery,

Just so I understand what that graph is actually of could you confirm what the axis is showing when it is titled COVID-19 Realted Deaths in Numbers.

Is it a spelling error, and thus the entire premise of any argument after that should now be invalid (using the previously agreed logic).

Although, if I were to ignore the spelling error, then what are Covid-19 Realtered Deaths in Numbers ?.

Are they deaths within 30 days of a positive covid test, with the numbers then also re-altered to fit some required outcome ?

Read the paper. That's why I provided the reference.

"The cumulative number of COVID-19-related deaths in Sweden as of January 2020 was 9262 (899 per million inhabitants) compared to 1487 in Denmark (255 per million inhabitants) [4]. Figure 4 illustrates the number of daily COVID-19-related deaths [4]. The biphasic shape of the mortality curves in the two countries resemble those of the epidemic curves. In both countries, COVID-19-associated mortality peaked in spring in mid-April with 80-100 daily registered COVID-19-associated deaths in Sweden compared to 15-20 in Denmark. Similar to the numbers of daily infections and ICU admissions, the COVID-19-associated mortality in Denmark decreased to low numbers already by the end of May, whereas in Sweden the decrease in mortality first occurred by the end of July. Mortality rose during autumn/winter in both countries, again with a relatively steeper increase in Sweden than in Denmark. In Sweden, mortality increased from 10 to 60 daily COVID-19-related deaths from end of October to mid-November, whereas COVID-19-related deaths in Denmark only rose from about 5-15 per day in the same period."

Did Sweden have a population of about ten million at the time. Four times as many deaths as Denmark, whoa, must only be a couple of million Swedes left alive, I bet real estate is real cheap there now. Or maybe the article was actually about America, for all of their efforts, did they not fair worse than Sweden anyway. And if three million Americans died, is that a million more than normal, or is it normal that three million Americans die every year.
I guess once you've worked in emergency and watched people die from Covid, that's from Covid and not with Covid, and given that it's a particularly unpleasant way to go, it's really easy to forget that most of these precious souls wouldn't have survived the next year anyway. Either that or there's been a massive population decline I didn't hear about, maybe that's why real estate is so cheap now.

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myscreenname said..
Whatever credibility, remery may have had to some people, has been reduced to zero.

I agree myscreenname, it's sad to see his downward slide.

If the WEF and their partners in crime ever decide to declare another 'pandemic' in the near future using faulty PCR tests to label those without symptoms disease ridden - i get the feeling that a large percentage of the population are not going to take their coerced vax even if it's on condition of their job.

That said, the fear factor will likely be ramped up another notch or two and the masses will likely be clamouring for it

Who knows exactly where the mindset of the population is.

What's that quote about never underestimating the stupidity ......

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Flying Dutchman said..

I agree myscreenname, it's sad to see his downward slide.

Do not concern yourself, I am doing fine.

Death Certificate - cause of death was slipping on a banana peel. 'They' recommend eating bananas for good health but that's just the Illuminati trying to de populate the world.

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Pcdefender said..

Why did the husband get vaccinated... twice, after his wife's death?

Ask him if he in fact did.

Deep mind control perhaps.

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myscreenname said..
Whatever credibility, remery may have had to some people, has been reduced to zero.

I never wrote that!!

Can you explain the reason you are misquoting me please? I find this inflammatory, inappropriate and offensive.

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Flying Dutchman said..
I'm sorry for misqoting you. I understand that it was the wrong thing to do. I got caught up in the moment, and - wrongly - thought I was being witty

It will never happen again.

I'm begging you, please don't report my childish, inappropriate and disgusting behavior to Laurie

Thanks, I appreciate your honesty.

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Remery said..

Flying Dutchman said..
I'm sorry for misqoting you. I understand that it was the wrong thing to do. I got caught up in the moment, and - wrongly - thought I was being witty

Remery is obviously of the highest intellect and I profusely and unequivocally apologise for suggesting otherwise.

Thanks, I appreciate your honesty.