Carantoc said..





Yep, but in this case I don't know that the definition of 'safe' can be assessed independant of the mandate issue.

'Safe' is going to be different for everyone and everyone's situation. A fit, healthy person in their early thirties travelling remote areas of WA and sleeping in a van with little contact with other people will have a different assessment of 'safe and effective' than a 80 year old in a busy old folks home, mingling with multiple other old folks who have covid.

Up above it is mentioned 251 severe reactions in 47 million doses. It is also mentioned the oral polio vax is no longer used because of the risk of polio developing from that was unsafe, said to be 1 in 2.4 million risk. So 251 in 47 million is 13 times a bigger risk than what is considered unsafe.

Different people, different situations will have different assessments. The mandate was a mandate. It didn't consider different situations.

People should take responsibility for their own actions. That includes assessing the risk and the reward. The risk of being in lockdown for ever if we didn't get to 95% or people having two doses is a pretty big weighting to one side. You can't just ignore that now because it is convenient to forget about it as having any weighting in the argument.

Carantoc said..
But surely those vulnerable people will be vaxxed ?

I don't see Pcdefender (and similar people) as a threat to me. They are are few and far between and just different. Variety is the spice of life.

Are you afraid of Pcdefender ?

Just seems to me that all your arguments about how 'dangerous' PCdefender is and what threat similar people pose to society is whipped up by the hype-woke crowd who need something to fear to justify their own victimhood. Succuming to that argument and getting offensive about it is going full-Trump, just from the otherside.

Carantoc said..
But surely those vulnerable people will be vaxxed ?

I don't see Pcdefender (and similar people) as a threat to me. They are are few and far between and just different. Variety is the spice of life.

Are you afraid of Pcdefender ?

Just seems to me that all your arguments about how 'dangerous' PCdefender is and what threat similar people pose to society is whipped up by the hype-woke crowd who need something to fear to justify their own victimhood. Succuming to that argument and getting offensive about it is going full-Trump, just from the otherside.

remery said..




Seat belts are safe and effective. They are also mandated. But very rarely someone gets strangled by the belt in a car rollover.

D3 said..

I'd like to think I'm not ignoring or trying to rewrite what happened.

Before mid 21 I really didn't think mandates were going to be used, I just assumed that everyone would jump at the chance.

But between the effectiveness of restricting international travel and the shotshow that was government advice plus some serious misinformation and FUD spreading by deliberate bad actor's, it became apparent that vaccine uptake was going to stay pretty low.

Unfortunately, just focussing on trying to protect vulnerable populations while letting the rest of the population do as they saw fit, wasn't going to work very well at reducing healthcare system burden and mortality.

D3 said..

Theirs nothing stopping them from reporting now

psychojoe said..




No worries. My trusty Takada brand airbags will save me.

psychojoe said..

No worries. My trusty Takada brand airbags will save me.

psychojoe said..
Well, there's a couple of things.
Nobody wants to assimilate with the antivax loons, it's been called safe and effective so clearly it is, and they should just keep their white noise to themselves.
And the VAERS is just a rubbish site full of false antivax reports anyway, so what's the point. Why would a grown man waste his time.
Let's not forget, grandma would have died for sure if you didn't roll up your sleeve, your a hero really, heroes don't whinge.

Flying Dutchman said..
I like how science started the pandemic but everyone blames the unvaccinated for the problem.

D3 said..

So just to be clear:
- You're saying that Pfizer vaccines should have costochondritis listed as a potential adverse reaction.

-But your costochondritis was related to a different vaccine with different technologies and delivery method.

-Other people claim to have had it but haven't reported it.
So how are they supposed to find the signal in the white noise?

- In Australia the TGA uses DAEN, not VAERS

Flying Dutchman said..
I like how science started the pandemic but everyone blames the unvaccinated for the problem.

japie said..
One of the beacons anchored to the Covid lies was the fraudulent hydroxychloroquine study which was retracted after the media heralded it as quackery headed by Orange Man Bad.

Followed very shortly by the Ivermectin saga. There must be tens of millions who've listened to how CNN painted Joe Rogan green to deter the public from thinking.

The truth is seeping out.

remery said..





No, the truth is not seeping out... Ivermectin is only good for internal parasites not viruses. The conservative public have never been capable of critical thinking. You are an excellent example.

remery said..





No, the truth is not seeping out... Ivermectin is only good for internal parasites not viruses. The conservative public have never been capable of critical thinking. You are an excellent example.

Flying Dutchman said..
I like how science started the pandemic but everyone blames the unvaccinated for the problem.

japie said..

Ive 69 years of experience under my belt and I've developed a keen nose for bull****. I spent my teen years in South Africa. It's like having a sixth sense.

Rest assured that if I knew you were in one of two lifeboats in the face of peril it would be my priority to be in the one you were not in. Not safe.

The loony left has always been consistent in accusing their opposition of behaving the way they do.Its like water off a ducks back. The pejoratives? Same category. Weakens an argument.Both hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are effective against viral replication of COVID. vigilantnews.com/post/ivermectin-worked-peer-reviewed-study-finds-74-reduction-in-excess-deaths/

D3 said..
I wonder how many people actually used Ivermectin and HCQ to treat their COVID?

And how many would report any adverse events?

32 reports of Ivermectin adverse events since 1971, 8 just since 2020 alone.

remery said..




Do you have a peer-reviewed study to go with that gibberish?

japie said..




Ive 69 years of experience under my belt and I've developed a keen nose for bull****. I spent my teen years in South Africa. It's like having a sixth sense.

Rest assured that if I knew you were in one of two lifeboats in the face of peril it would be my priority to be in the one you were not in. Not safe.

The loony left has always been consistent in accusing their opposition of behaving the way they do.Its like water off a ducks back. The pejoratives? Same category. Weakens an argument.Both hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are effective against viral replication of COVID. vigilantnews.com/post/ivermectin-worked-peer-reviewed-study-finds-74-reduction-in-excess-deaths/

Pcdefender said..
There are like so many different side effects listed on their websites to the harm these C19 can cause - safe and effective.

It seems to be the vaxxed that are developing a frightening increase in heart problems and cancers.

Then there are all these other strange symptoms that have increased alarmingly since around 2020 - Guillain Barr syndrome, floaters in your eye to name just two. The vax seems to multiply the number of people who suffer from various unusual symptoms.

Since 2020 i have met two others who developed eye problems since taking the vax and heard of lots of others as well who have also recently developed issues with their eyes.

On the various databases from around the world eye issues have been reported often . Safe and effective.

I am more inclined to believe the thousands of reports of harm to the TGA from ordinary Australians than i am from any self funded Big Pharma study but each to their own.

Pcdefender said..
There are like so many different side effects listed on their websites to the harm these C19 can cause - safe and effective.

It seems to be the vaxxed that are developing a frightening increase in heart problems and cancers.

Then there are all these other strange symptoms that have increased alarmingly since around 2020 - Guillain Barr syndrome, floaters in your eye to name just two. The vax seems to multiply the number of people who suffer from various unusual symptoms.

Since 2020 i have met two others who developed eye problems since taking the vax and heard of lots of others as well who have also recently developed issues with their eyes.

On the various databases from around the world eye issues have been reported often . Safe and effective.

I am more inclined to believe the thousands of reports of harm to the TGA from ordinary Australians than i am from any self funded Big Pharma study but each to their own.

remery said..
And you and everyone else knows, the vaccine is safe and effective, it doesn't protect 100 percent, same as any other vaccine.

I'm not afraid of Pcdefender, but I know plenty of medically vulnerable people and I would prefer he doesn't spread his infestation among them.

Carantoc said..






And you and everyone else knows the vaccine does not stop you spreading or contracting the Covid virus. It reduces the severity of your symptoms.

Did Trump teach you that fake news trick ?