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Earlier this year, after 90 percent have taken them.
There was a nurse from Adelaide who was given maybe 30 seconds on the MSM.

Only one i remember.

Overall, there was clearly one narrative allowed only. If you want to tell yourself the medics who were speaking out against the vax are CT and therefore do not warrant air time fine.

Google "Foxnews vaccine safety", there's dozens of stories from anti-vax loons.

This thread reminds me of ants dragging food back to the nest. Most are dragging it towards the nest, some are dragging it in other directions. But there's always on on top pulling up. That one is named Pete.

Provide a link where a nurse or doctor were on mainstream Australian television during the 'pandemic' years giving an anti vax opinion.

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Pcdefender said..

Earlier this year, after 90 percent have taken them.
There was a nurse from Adelaide who was given maybe 30 seconds on the MSM.

Only one i remember.

Overall, there was clearly one narrative allowed only. If you want to tell yourself the medics who were speaking out against the vax are CT and therefore do not warrant air time fine.

Google "Foxnews vaccine safety", there's dozens of stories from anti-vax loons.

It's almost like these media sources are trying to make money from news stories and are not a public service.

Here's something on MSM where someone is asking for an apology (after the pandemic has finished and we can all look at it like it was so easy to resolve);

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/were-owed-an-apology-for-vaccine-mandates/news-story/15069d5dc78d8385788b7e7e3a4bde19

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Pcdefender said..
Provide a link where a nurse or doctor were on mainstream Australian television during the 'pandemic' years giving an anti vax opinion.

Please provide a link where a nurse or doctor were on mainstream Australian television before the pandemic where they gave an anti Vax opinion.

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Please provide a link where a nurse or doctor were on mainstream Australian television before the pandemic where they gave an anti Vax opinion.

We need to distinguish between anti-vax and anti-covid mRNA vax. Hardly anyone had much of an issue with previous vaccines because you didn't see your friend get a flu shot and get pericarditis.

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D3 said..
Please provide a link where a nurse or doctor were on mainstream Australian television before the pandemic where they gave an anti Vax opinion.

We need to distinguish between anti-vax and anti-covid mRNA vax. Hardly anyone had much of an issue with previous vaccines because you didn't see your friend get a flu shot and get pericarditis.

I take from that you are saying that the mRNA vaccines for Covid were an unknown before Covid and that the only reason we know the poor outcomes are from the 'testing' on real people in real-life conditions.

Agreed.

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D3 said..
Please provide a link where a nurse or doctor were on mainstream Australian television before the pandemic where they gave an anti Vax opinion.

We need to distinguish between anti-vax and anti-covid mRNA vax. Hardly anyone had much of an issue with previous vaccines because you didn't see your friend get a flu shot and get pericarditis.

Although the Flu shot is known to rarely cause GBS and other very serious reactions.

My point is that anti Vax people do not get platforms on serious media because they present their opinions and arguments without evidence, purely on belief or having been convinced by others.

Medical and Science professionals do get to question vaccine safety and implementation when they back up their position with scientific evidence or because they can point to the holes in the existing evidence.

Even Dr Offit had serious and relevant concerns about COVID vaccinations and their roll out, because he did not see that the current evidence supported it.

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My point is that anti Vax people do not get platforms on serious media because they present their opinions and arguments without evidence, purely on belief or having been convinced by others.

Medical and Science professionals do get to question vaccine safety and implementation when they back up their position with scientific evidence or because they can point to the holes in the existing evidence.

Even Dr Offit had serious and relevant concerns about COVID vaccinations and their roll out, because he did not see that the current evidence supported it.

Not true even in the slightest. I am talking about at the start of the rollout and during the first 12 months or so when most took them.

There were many doctors and nurses in Australia speaking out against the covid jabs during this time but were censored from giving their opinion on Australian tv.

I know this to be true as I've listened to them on uncensored platforms.

Well, PC, as you have pointed out before. Media outlets are supposed to present correct information to the best that they can ascertain.

If a nurse or a doctor is trying to get on a platform to share information that has been shown to be false? Well, you've told us many times what you think of any platform supporting the spread of that false information.

To be clear, the nurses and doctors you're talking about weren't trying warn us of any verified danger. they were just fear mongering, in the case of Drs like McCullough and his ilk, they've gone on to have profitable careers selling unproven treatments and "cures".

The known risks and possibilities of adverse reactions to the vaccines were pretty well communicated. The safety monitoring systems picked up the TTS and myocarditis.

Drs that were trying to say that the vaccines were lethal or they caused massive numbers of severe reactions were not communicating anything that matched reality or the evidence.

They were not invited on the Morning Show or Q+A or whatever (I don't actually watch much TV) to spread Fear, Uncertainty and distrust of the COVID response based on falsehoods and outright lies.

To be clear i was talking mostly about Australian nurses and doctors who were censored by all television channels here for speaking out against the covid vax and this was during the rollout.

It is not the job of the mainstream media to 'ascertain' what is truth but to present all sides to the public.

They only presented one side.

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It is not the job of the mainstream media to 'ascertain' what is truth but to present all sides to the public.

They only presented one side.

It is the mainstream media's job to make money. Nothing else. Why else would they exist, except for maybe the ABC and SBS, but even then they need ratings.

If the ABC presented certain viewpoints they would lose a lot of listeners.

If the commercial stations presented information that most people didn't like, they would lose viewers too.

Nowhere is it a thing that these groups dedicate themselves to telling all sides unless it coincides with their objectives to make money or get ratings.

Just want to throw this into the mix.
The Pentagon ran a secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic, an investigation finds
www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-15/pentagon-ran-secret-anti-vax-campaign-to-undermine-china-during-/103982430

off-guardian.org/2020/11/20/portuguese-court-rules-pcr-tests-unreliable-quarantines-unlawful/

Matija Sarkic: Millwall announce death of goalkeeper aged 26 - BBC Sport

Another who died suddenly.
Do not remember a time like this before.

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Matija Sarkic: Millwall announce death of goalkeeper aged 26 - BBC Sport

Another who died suddenly.
Do not remember a time like this before.

Welcome to the internet where you can get information almost as soon as it happens.

It's like watching the news. You watch it and think the planet is doomed. You don't watch it and the world seems fine.

Unvaxxed sperm value going to the moon

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38834185/

Perhaps the reason for decreasing motility is that too many donors are sitting on their arses watching too much Netflix before banging out a donation? The pubmed paper referenced above does go to some effort to point out that they do not know the reason why motility is decreasing, but suggests lifestyle changes during that time should be analysed:
"...Limitations, reasons for caution: We cannot determine from the available data the causes of the decline in semen quality of donor candidates from 2019 to 2022. However, as this period coincides with lockdowns and changes in work patterns during the coronavirus disease 2019 pandemic, it is possible that changes in motile sperm concentration and TMSC were the result of changes in the lifestyles of the men whose semen was analyzed."

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Perhaps the reason for decreasing motility is that too many donors are sitting on their arses watching too much Netflix before banging out a donation? The pubmed paper referenced above does go to some effort to point out that they do not know the reason why motility is decreasing, but suggests lifestyle changes during that time should be analysed:
"...Limitations, reasons for caution: We cannot determine from the available data the causes of the decline in semen quality of donor candidates from 2019 to 2022. However, as this period coincides with lockdowns and changes in work patterns during the coronavirus disease 2019 pandemic, it is possible that changes in motile sperm concentration and TMSC were the result of changes in the lifestyles of the men whose semen was analyzed."

Yes but if there were a direct correlation between Netflix and TMSC you'd expect the trend to have been noted way back 2013 by your graph. It declines rapidly from 2020 on. Just around the time that dare we say it a mass intervention happened. Anyway, I don't have the answer but I thought the study was interesting.

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Flying Dutchman said..
Unvaxxed sperm value going to the moon

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38834185/

That's a good thing. By using a bank it bypasses the whole personality test.

We could have a new generation of skeptics, which can't be a bad thing. If they are then in the majority, does that then mean a new increase in skeptics again, or a crash in the human population?

It's pretty incredible isn't it. Here we are sharing research from scientists and medical professionals as if it's the gospel and some of them have laid down some pretty serious bets that could backfire spectacularly.

Take this one for example from The Lancet from 2020.

"The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin."

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2820%2930418-9/fulltext

What scientist or medical professional would take such a view in 2024? That was published in The Lancet, arguably the most respected medical journal in the world. It really is crazy. There's obviously something fishy going on here. Manipulated virus has escaped lab probably by accident, Chinese government shutdown any discussion on lab leak to save face, locks down hard, and governments around the World follow suit.

And here we have the former head of the CDC speaking out and Aussie MSN hardly touches it. Amazing.... I'm enjoying watch this unfold.

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fangman said..



Perhaps the reason for decreasing motility is that too many donors are sitting on their arses watching too much Netflix before banging out a donation? The pubmed paper referenced above does go to some effort to point out that they do not know the reason why motility is decreasing, but suggests lifestyle changes during that time should be analysed:
"...Limitations, reasons for caution: We cannot determine from the available data the causes of the decline in semen quality of donor candidates from 2019 to 2022. However, as this period coincides with lockdowns and changes in work patterns during the coronavirus disease 2019 pandemic, it is possible that changes in motile sperm concentration and TMSC were the result of changes in the lifestyles of the men whose semen was analyzed."

Yes but if there were a direct correlation between Netflix and TMSC you'd expect the trend to have been noted way back 2013 by your graph. It declines rapidly from 2020 on. Just around the time that dare we say it a mass intervention happened. Anyway, I don't have the answer but I thought the study was interesting.

Nah 2013 to 2018 was the era of chic flicks and period romances. The donors weren't watching then.
Just in case someone takes me seriously; please don't.

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Perhaps the reason for decreasing motility is that too many donors are sitting on their arses watching too much Netflix before banging out a donation? The pubmed paper referenced above does go to some effort to point out that they do not know the reason why motility is decreasing, but suggests lifestyle changes during that time should be analysed:
"...Limitations, reasons for caution: We cannot determine from the available data the causes of the decline in semen quality of donor candidates from 2019 to 2022. However, as this period coincides with lockdowns and changes in work patterns during the coronavirus disease 2019 pandemic, it is possible that changes in motile sperm concentration and TMSC were the result of changes in the lifestyles of the men whose semen was analyzed."

Hmm," lifestyles" you say. I read that as blokes lounging around inside the house for two years, drinking beer and jerking off. I'm surprised there were that many swimmers left.

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It's pretty incredible isn't it. Here we are sharing research from scientists and medical professionals as if it's the gospel and some of them have laid down some pretty serious bets that could backfire spectacularly.

Take this one for example from The Lancet from 2020.

"The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin."

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2820%2930418-9/fulltext

What scientist or medical professional would take such a view in 2024? That was published in The Lancet, arguably the most respected medical journal in the world. It really is crazy. There's obviously something fishy going on here. Manipulated virus has escaped lab probably by accident, Chinese government shutdown any discussion on lab leak to save face, locks down hard, and governments around the World follow suit.

And here we have the former head of the CDC speaking out and Aussie MSN hardly touches it. Amazing.... I'm enjoying watch this unfold.

Science is not a belief system.

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Flying Dutchman said..
It's pretty incredible isn't it. Here we are sharing research from scientists and medical professionals as if it's the gospel and some of them have laid down some pretty serious bets that could backfire spectacularly.

Take this one for example from The Lancet from 2020.

"The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin."

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2820%2930418-9/fulltext

What scientist or medical professional would take such a view in 2024? That was published in The Lancet, arguably the most respected medical journal in the world. It really is crazy. There's obviously something fishy going on here. Manipulated virus has escaped lab probably by accident, Chinese government shutdown any discussion on lab leak to save face, locks down hard, and governments around the World follow suit.

And here we have the former head of the CDC speaking out and Aussie MSN hardly touches it. Amazing.... I'm enjoying watch this unfold.

Science is not a belief system.

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remery said..
Science is not a belief system.

Cool, show me the science for the 6 foot safe distance. Show me the science that once you get fully vaccinated you can't catch Covid. Show me the science that once you're vaccinated you'll stop the spread.
Or are you calling everyone in this video believers?

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Flying Dutchman said..

remery said..
Science is not a belief system.

Cool, show me the science for the 6 foot safe distance. Show me the science that once you get fully vaccinated you can't catch Covid. Show me the science that once you're vaccinated you'll stop the spread.
Or are you calling everyone in this video believers?

You can't teach a pig to fly. It's a waste of my time and annoys the pig.

Vaccine-Injured Pharmacist Breaks Down Into Tears Testifying Before Ohio State Senate (vigilantfox.news)


"I was a father, a husband, a pharmacist, and a healthy person prior to being coerced into receiving the COVID vaccine ... I would never have taken the vaccine voluntarily," declared Mike Yoha, his voice trembling with emotion.

Yoha, a once vibrant and healthy pharmacist, suffered from Guillain-Barr syndrome (GBS), a severe neurological disease that left him paralyzed after being coerced into taking the COVID shot. His testimony before the Ohio State Senate was a harrowing account of personal loss and violated freedoms.

"My liberty was violated when vaccine status discrimination forced me into taking a medical intervention that almost cost me my life," Yoha lamented. "If we do not have the right to decline a known risk of death without facing discrimination or loss of employment, then we are no longer free. I implore the committee to vote yes on HB 319."


Please take the time to read the comments.

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Pcdefender said.. >>>
Please take the time to read the comments.

Pete, I've read so much of your recommended reading, that I'm loath to ever do it again.
So even though you ask nicely, I'm afraid I'm unable to comply.