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toppleover said..

frenchfoiler said..
I tried today the 1210 (85cm mast alu and new stab) for sup dw. I did two short run to test it.

First run without shim : I didn't like it at all, way too much back foot, too much nose down. Hard to get up.
Second run with a shim (shim under font plate) : way better, easier to get up, less back foot.

Now I need to try with another rear wing, this one feels too loose, not enought drive for dw.

What rear wing were you using please Greg?

178

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Grantmac said..

martyman said..
oh ya.

Just need to make a fuselage which accepts the Starboard rear piece to have the best of all worlds.

I personally think Axis has the best stabs around. Def the best selection.

are the starboard top or bottom mounted?

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martyman said..

Grantmac said..

martyman said..
oh ya.

Just need to make a fuselage which accepts the Starboard rear piece to have the best of all worlds.

I personally think Axis has the best stabs around. Def the best selection.

are the starboard top or bottom mounted?

Bottom mount and adjustable without shims. Quite a few different tails available including high aspect.

Really the nice part is the tail piece is carbon, available in two lengths and attaches with one captive set screw.

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Grantmac said..

martyman said..

Grantmac said..

martyman said..
oh ya.

Just need to make a fuselage which accepts the Starboard rear piece to have the best of all worlds.

I personally think Axis has the best stabs around. Def the best selection.

are the starboard top or bottom mounted?

Bottom mount and adjustable without shims. Quite a few different tails available including high aspect.

Really the nice part is the tail piece is carbon, available in two lengths and attaches with one captive set screw.

what is the bolt pattern distance-30 or 35mm

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martyman said..

Grantmac said..

martyman said..

Grantmac said..

martyman said..
oh ya.

Just need to make a fuselage which accepts the Starboard rear piece to have the best of all worlds.

I personally think Axis has the best stabs around. Def the best selection.

are the starboard top or bottom mounted?

Bottom mount and adjustable without shims. Quite a few different tails available including high aspect.

Really the nice part is the tail piece is carbon, available in two lengths and attaches with one captive set screw.

what is the bolt pattern distance-30 or 35mm

50mm center to center for the stab bolts.

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martyman said..

Grantmac said..

martyman said..

Grantmac said..

martyman said..
oh ya.

Just need to make a fuselage which accepts the Starboard rear piece to have the best of all worlds.

I personally think Axis has the best stabs around. Def the best selection.

are the starboard top or bottom mounted?

Bottom mount and adjustable without shims. Quite a few different tails available including high aspect.

Really the nice part is the tail piece is carbon, available in two lengths and attaches with one captive set screw.

what is the bolt pattern distance-30 or 35mm

30mm

Kujira 1095 pics found today on Insta, looks to be different shape to the other Kujira wings. (2nd pic)?





www.instagram.com/p/CV6n7HLvJgL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Yeah there are 2 sizes in this new kujira shape, the 1095 and 1350. All I have heard so far is that their lift is much more progressive (less aggressive) than the original shapes, and that they have even better glide. Not sure what the new shape has done to the maneuverability, I really hope they haven't lost any of the lovely surfey feel of the originals. When I first heard about them I thought it sounded like they will be similar to the ART series from Axis (all about the glide), but they have quite a pronounced gull wing shape which should mean they turn really well. In a perfect world it will pump as well as the 1210 and turn as well as the 980.

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Dommo49 said..
Yeah there are 2 sizes in this new kujira shape, the 1095 and 1350. All I have heard so far is that their lift is much more progressive (less aggressive) than the original shapes, and that they have even better glide. Not sure what the new shape has done to the maneuverability, I really hope they haven't lost any of the lovely surfey feel of the originals. When I first heard about them I thought it sounded like they will be similar to the ART series from Axis (all about the glide), but they have quite a pronounced gull wing shape which should mean they turn really well. In a perfect world it will pump as well as the 1210 and turn as well as the 980.

Hopefully the A'houles dont make a guy buy a ridiculous stabilizer with it as well. What a burn. Maybe they will have improved their quality too. I had pieces of the tubercules chipping off from hitting kelp.

Looks likes it is more hight aspect.

They definetly should make a shorter fus as well.

So it is available in a shop but not at Takumas website?.
Comes with a 178 tail.
Hope they include a cover, no coffin.
It does look good...

There are a few more pictures of the 1095 on Hadou's site: www.pimpyourride.fr/forum-wingfoil/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7&start=140, including the new rounded wingtips. Hopefully it's as good as they claim.

If I get a good deal on a LoL 1300 is that a dumb idea? I always wanted to ride that wing. Have the new wings surpassed it that far? My favorite wing right now is the lift 150 surf v2.

Hdip I'd be trying the Lift HA 170 & 120 before jumping ship . The LOL's are still good wing though BUT the Kujira is another level again.


From what I can gather on the French forums the 1095 is wider than the 1210 .

Yeah. Been google translating the French forums too. I have a 120 and 170 also. I just prefer surf wings I guess.

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Piros said..
Hdip I'd be trying the Lift HA 170 & 120 before jumping ship . The LOL's are still good wing though BUT the Kujira is another level again.


From what I can gather on the French forums the 1095 is wider than the 1210 .

Yes seems the 1095 is much more like Axis art 999 but turns better.
I guess it has more glide than the 980 but turn like the 1210.

Hdip, you don't want to go back to a thick slow wing, I would say go to the 980 (a lot of craig list soon I guess).

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frenchfoiler said..

Piros said..
Hdip I'd be trying the Lift HA 170 & 120 before jumping ship . The LOL's are still good wing though BUT the Kujira is another level again.


From what I can gather on the French forums the 1095 is wider than the 1210 .

Yes seems the 1095 is much more like Axis art 999 but turns better.
I guess it has more glide than the 980 but turn like the 1210.

Hdip, you don't want to go back to a thick slow wing, I would say go to the 980 (a lot of craig list soon I guess).

From what I've been told the 1095 is pretty much a replacement of the 1210, more HA - similar wingspan - more top-end/pump/glide & turns faster but unfortunately not as fast as the 980.

Also has less lift than the 980, hope Takuma have some smaller sizes coming.

How can a wing have more glide but less lift? Does that just mean it needs more speed to get going?

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exiled said..
How can a wing have more glide but less lift? Does that just mean it needs more speed to get going?

No idea mate & they also said it has a really low stall speed so doesn't sound right to me either.

Only way to really know will be to get on one

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toppleover said..

exiled said..
How can a wing have more glide but less lift? Does that just mean it needs more speed to get going?

No idea mate & they also said it has a really low stall speed so doesn't sound right to me either.

Only way to really know will be to get on one

Yes, you can have more glide but less lift. Glide has more to do with speed.
Usually those foil have a more gradual lift.

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exiled said..
How can a wing have more glide but less lift? Does that just mean it needs more speed to get going?

Thinner,flatter profile sections.
And yes,the challenge is getting glide without too much loss in low speed handling and performance.

Thinner foils will usually require higher speeds overall and be more sensitive to AOA changes.So when lifting off they will stall earlier and more abruptly if you increase the angle too much for example.

But there are dozens of factors in designing a foil that can compensate this. Area,Span,Width,Thickness,Camber,Sweep,Dihedral,Taper,Flex...
Add tubercles,steps,fences,winglets etc. and it becomes quite mind boggling.

Infinite combinations to find the happiest compromise.

A lot of knowledge is already there from aviation,previous foiling craft etc.. so our surf and wing foils have started out quite refined but i think designers still have a lot of room to optimize for what we do.

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Hdip said..
Yeah. Been google translating the French forums too. I have a 120 and 170 also. I just prefer surf wings I guess.

Have you tried the Signature 140/ 900? Has a good surf feel like Lift 150v2 and can have short fuse. Go back and forth between Lift 150 with aftermarket tail that can make shorter fuse, Signature 900/ 1265 and Kujira 980. All depends on the feel I am after. Kujira have that special carving feel with stable acceration thru turns that is special. Said many times before but wish you could get different fuse lengths with Takuma.
Now have Kujira 750 and so far on one session I had was surprised first wave could do a 2 for 1 being 90 kilo/ 200 lbs. Was really good going fast and able to turn easy/ in control on the limited time I have had on it so far. Kujira 750 is the most surfy of all of the Kujira foils by far. Just might be a hair to big for it to use in non long period/ slightly bigger waves. Still had that special carve acceration and nice controled glide feel like the 980 and 1210.
Always wanted to try the lol 1300 also. Sometimes lower interval waves/ more turning you do not want to go as fast as the high aspects need to go to not stall. The Signature 1265 most likely fits where the 1300 would on a foil quiver but can get a short fuse with 1265 and is also more back foot centric where the Takumas I find are more front foot centric.

I haven't seen it mentioned at all yet and given my uncertainty of the projected area ( my buds 980 Kujira is about the same width as the my 1260 SPG GC - just deeper chord on GC) Anyone know if the new 1095 is expected to be a replacement for the 1210 or 980? What size will it be most similar too - I need something for 18 knots+, freshwater, large chop (75kg stooge on board) .

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Resptech said..
I haven't seen it mentioned at all yet and given my uncertainty of the projected area ( my buds 980 Kujira is about the same width as the my 1260 SPG GC - just deeper chord on GC) Anyone know if the new 1095 is expected to be a replacement for the 1210 or 980? What size will it be most similar too - I need something for 18 knots+, freshwater, large chop (75kg stooge on board) .

I'm no expert just been chatting to someone that has a 1095 on Insta, the 1095 does not replace the 1210 it sits between 980/1210.
From a prone perspective:
1) Turns better than 1210 (not far off the 980)
2) Less lift on takeoff than both 980/1210
3) Wingspan is slightly more than 1210
4) Lower stall speed than 980 but not as low as 1210
5) More efficient to pump & better glide compared to 1210 (hard to believe as 1210 has excellent pump/glide)
6) Has some flex - feels a little springy
7) Faster than 1210

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toppleover said..

Resptech said..
I haven't seen it mentioned at all yet and given my uncertainty of the projected area ( my buds 980 Kujira is about the same width as the my 1260 SPG GC - just deeper chord on GC) Anyone know if the new 1095 is expected to be a replacement for the 1210 or 980? What size will it be most similar too - I need something for 18 knots+, freshwater, large chop (75kg stooge on board) .

I'm no expert just been chatting to someone that has a 1095 on Insta, the 1095 does not replace the 1210 it sits between 980/1210.
From a prone perspective:
1) Turns better than 1210 (not far off the 980)
2) Less lift on takeoff than both 980/1210
3) Wingspan is slightly more than 1210
4) Lower stall speed than 980 but not as low as 1210
5) More efficient to pump & better glide compared to 1210 (hard to believe as 1210 has excellent pump/glide)
6) Has some flex - feels a little springy
7) Faster than 1210

so basically it's for winging

Does anyone know if Takuma is planning on adding more options for mast and fuselage lengths? I'd like to try the Kijura foils wind foiling.

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martyman said..

toppleover said..

Resptech said..
I haven't seen it mentioned at all yet and given my uncertainty of the projected area ( my buds 980 Kujira is about the same width as the my 1260 SPG GC - just deeper chord on GC) Anyone know if the new 1095 is expected to be a replacement for the 1210 or 980? What size will it be most similar too - I need something for 18 knots+, freshwater, large chop (75kg stooge on board) .

I'm no expert just been chatting to someone that has a 1095 on Insta, the 1095 does not replace the 1210 it sits between 980/1210.
From a prone perspective:
1) Turns better than 1210 (not far off the 980)
2) Less lift on takeoff than both 980/1210
3) Wingspan is slightly more than 1210
4) Lower stall speed than 980 but not as low as 1210
5) More efficient to pump & better glide compared to 1210 (hard to believe as 1210 has excellent pump/glide)
6) Has some flex - feels a little springy
7) Faster than 1210

so basically it's for winging

Eric Antonson doesn't seem to think it's for winging only:
www.instagram.com/p/CWdXSDPA-ig/

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dejavu said..
Does anyone know if Takuma is planning on adding more options for mast and fuselage lengths? I'd like to try the Kijura foils wind foiling.

Talked to a supplier saying maybe in 2022, some other fuse lengths.. If it's about shortening the fuselage, I tried something out today and it works really good! Sand the fuse rather flat and drill a 5mm hole at 3cm distance from the other hole, then create a M6 thread. Add some shims to recreate the right tail angle, some water time testing might be required to get the angle right (the tail and the fuse have a weird slope). Photos below.. making the 1210 turn tighter and pumping out of the hole easier, overall great upgrade, fuselage bending because of the new hole possible, to be monitored. Will try an even shorter fuse soon!

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foilstate said..

dejavu said..
Does anyone know if Takuma is planning on adding more options for mast and fuselage lengths? I'd like to try the Kijura foils wind foiling.

Talked to a supplier saying maybe in 2022, some other fuse lengths.. If it's about shortening the fuselage, I tried something out today and it works really good! Sand the fuse rather flat and drill a 5mm hole at 3cm distance from the other hole, then create a M6 thread. Add some shims to recreate the right tail angle, some water time testing might be required to get the angle right (the tail and the fuse have a weird slope). Photos below.. making the 1210 turn tighter and pumping out of the hole easier, overall great upgrade, fuselage bending because of the new hole possible, to be monitored. Will try an even shorter fuse soon!

Looking Great!!!

Even though I have a carbon mast, bought a fuse to try to do this also!

Takuma kujira foils with a Cedrus (or custom mast) with a shorter fuse should equal the best all around foils you could have.
Hopefully they will come out with shorter fuse options in 2022.