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Thatspec said..
Recently got a 20L tail and am having a great time with it. Matched with the RS1300 on lighter days (12-20mph) it's made these conditions fun again. I also found a good deal on a low mileage GL240 and the pair will get going in any little puff. Interestingly not much difference in max speed between these setups, 19mph on the GL240, 21.x on the 1300, same 20L. The GL just gets there slower, drops off faster, and needs more babysitting.

May even try it with the 1150 one day, turns great

I recently got the FTL20 and have been really impressed with it. With the 1770 I have a light wind setup that is a lot of fun. Unless the swell is over shoulder high then it gets a bit hard.

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TooMuchEpoxy said..
Just got the new 1075 and a new 80CM mast. Honestly i'm pretty annoyed.

The 1075 is fine....its a little better pumping than the 1000 but not worth the loss of liveliness turning. It fits the new mast great which would be excelent except i hate the new mast. 80 is just to F*!@ing long for prone. 70 is too short. The 75 mast is definately the right length.

I would just track down an old 75 but the old masts don't really fit the new wings. The old masts have a smaller tennon connection so the new wings don't really fit right (excessive gap even fully seated)

I have a 75cm mast I am prepared to sell. In perfect condition and the newer series just before the sizes changed. Only used a half a dozen times. Send me a PM.

First used sighting of an RS 1075.
www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,38211.msg437691/topicseen.html#new

Pretty sure this is TME's, maybe he'll chime in. Hope it's gone the next time I look or...

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First used sighting of an RS 1075.
www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,38211.msg437691/topicseen.html#new

Pretty sure this is TME's, maybe he'll chime in. Hope it's gone the next time I look or...

Yeah, it's mine. Got a wing session on it and it put it 100% in the No column for me. Not a bad wing just not my cup of tea. As I said before i think it's the dihedral and being more set up for carve and not giving me that loose skatey quality I want

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TooMuchEpoxy said..
I'm on gofoil 100% for construction and durability. I got the 1075 because I was looking for a hair more pump than the 1000. I didn't get the 850 because I already have a lift 120.

Honestly I like the 1000 because it's not a carve wing. I'm not a carve rider.

as for the 80 I'm sure I'll get used to it but I live in a place where it cuts out 1/4 of my sessions.

I have both the 850 and 120, maybe I need to do another session now back on the 120 to be sure, but for me the 850 smashes it out of the park, easier to accelerate up to speed, faster top speed, faster on the pump. turns tighter (I think the twisted tips on the big looking span take out that locked in feeling). In 2 sessions I went from 2-1 to 4 fors. Hard to be objective but in my head the turns are as tight as the 1000, but I'm not doing 'skate' style turns, just aiming to tighten my carve and ride as fast as I can. Agree with others on here 850 prob rides bigger than the 1000, need some bigger waves to see if this makes any practical difference to me.

I have tried lots of the fixed tails, my suggestion for most punters the best combo on 850 or 1075 is 12.5 FTS prone and 12.5 FTL for wing. Plug, play, rip.

Take this with a grain of salt as we all have our own personal feels and unlike TME, for the wing I'm loving the 1075/ 12.5FTL on 90cm mast - quiver killer. It's just so intuitive. rather than think/ manage things you just go. 1st session felt dialled doing foiling tacks, I always felt sketchy on the 1000 or 1150.

Regarding shallow water take offs, dihedral reduces your clearance as does fuse length. In practice maybe the flat 850 on an 80 mast is close to 1075 on a 75 mast.. If it's shallow I just lie on board rather than sit. Also note that the GF 32.5 mast is actually shorter than the lift 32 because of the way they measure them.

Not me, but good to see the 850 works Downwind on a SUP for normal sized humans. Keen to see more feedback from Downwind crew using this wing before I commit to getting one myself.

Hoping to borrow Rich Jam's at some point over the next month to see for myself.

www.instagram.com/reel/CjFfpMircfx/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

First run on the 1075 and it performed exactly as I hoped after first seeing it. Looked like a thinned-out GTS 1400 which works so well for my 105 kegs. Prefer a mid-aspect foil to a HA foil.
Solid cross offshore day, super gusty. Board 5 2 90l Takeoff,FTL14.5 tail with a 5m Smik wing.
I really liked the RS1150 for dinging but disliked the locked in feel on a decent swell. The 1075 gives the same easy lift off but allows you to carve on swells almost as well as the RS1000, rolls into turns so nicely. Judge is out if it replaces the 1000 but it is dam close. Super easy to throw into turns and maintains glide through the turn so you get back to the steeper parts of the swell upwind easily. 19kph average is way up on the 1400 and faster than the 1150 so it is quick. Average would have been affected by my paddle in from impact zone with a busted wing.
I am an ordinary pumper, but it felt like it pumped well, allowed me to link a few bumps and hunt down sections, will be killer on a dw run.
As said above a great foil, definite keeper.
Against the GTS1400

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Ju_foil said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
I'm on gofoil 100% for construction and durability. I got the 1075 because I was looking for a hair more pump than the 1000. I didn't get the 850 because I already have a lift 120.

Honestly I like the 1000 because it's not a carve wing. I'm not a carve rider.

as for the 80 I'm sure I'll get used to it but I live in a place where it cuts out 1/4 of my sessions.

I have both the 850 and 120, maybe I need to do another session now back on the 120 to be sure, but for me the 850 smashes it out of the park, easier to accelerate up to speed, faster top speed, faster on the pump. turns tighter (I think the twisted tips on the big looking span take out that locked in feeling). In 2 sessions I went from 2-1 to 4 fors. Hard to be objective but in my head the turns are as tight as the 1000, but I'm not doing 'skate' style turns, just aiming to tighten my carve and ride as fast as I can. Agree with others on here 850 prob rides bigger than the 1000, need some bigger waves to see if this makes any practical difference to me.

I have tried lots of the fixed tails, my suggestion for most punters the best combo on 850 or 1075 is 12.5 FTS prone and 12.5 FTL for wing. Plug, play, rip.

Take this with a grain of salt as we all have our own personal feels and unlike TME, for the wing I'm loving the 1075/ 12.5FTL on 90cm mast - quiver killer. It's just so intuitive. rather than think/ manage things you just go. 1st session felt dialled doing foiling tacks, I always felt sketchy on the 1000 or 1150.

Regarding shallow water take offs, dihedral reduces your clearance as does fuse length. In practice maybe the flat 850 on an 80 mast is close to 1075 on a 75 mast.. If it's shallow I just lie on board rather than sit. Also note that the GF 32.5 mast is actually shorter than the lift 32 because of the way they measure them.

I agree with the above on the performance of the 850, except for me proning with 12.5s it surfs surf gentler on the take off than my rs 1000 with the 14.5s. So it seems to surf smaller but it glides forever. It turns like a much smaller wing span, so hard to believe but it may turn easily as good as the rs1000 and sort of feels even better to me.

The 850 has blown my mind.

Point of clarification - the 1075 has no dihedral in it. It is predominantly flat plan shape with anhedral in the tips. This would in theory introduce instability and greatly help transitions to turns.

No idea in reality as I've been too lazy to get them wet.

Sounds like they are going great though

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RichJam said..
Point of clarification - the 1075 has no dihedral in it. It is predominantly flat plan shape with anhedral in the tips. This would in theory introduce instability and greatly help transitions to turns.

No idea in reality as I've been too lazy to get them wet.

Sounds like they are going great though

Got my Dis and my Ahns mixed up, thanks for the correction :)

I'm here to be helpful.

Another awesome tow session on the 650.

I'd love what these new RS promise in something like an RS 1500 or 1600. For speed & glide in the smallest conditions. Tradeoff of mega wingspan is probably fine for that. For now though I just need to decide if I want the 850 or 1075.

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KyleT said..
I'd love what these new RS promise in something like an RS 1500 or 1600. For speed & glide in the smallest conditions. Tradeoff of mega wingspan is probably fine for that. For now though I just need to decide if I want the 850 or 1075.

Amen. RS1500

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KyleT said..
I'd love what these new RS promise in something like an RS 1500 or 1600. For speed & glide in the smallest conditions. Tradeoff of mega wingspan is probably fine for that. For now though I just need to decide if I want the 850 or 1075.

Amen. RS1500

Not sure you need that much area. 1375 would be very lifty. Used the 1075 today in small waves and light wind and it supported my 105 kegs very well.

An RS 1500 even at the same AR as the 1300 (8.5) gives you a wingspan of about 113cm.
You're probably better off looking at improving board shape (use the 20" FT-L tail too) than going beyond 105cm. Something like the longer skinnier Kalamas or similar.

I recently sold the Axis 1099 (110cm 10.6AR) after a few hours use as it just wasn't as fun as the 1300 and had about the same performance.

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Thatspec said..
An RS 1500 even at the same AR as the 1300 (8.5) gives you a wingspan of about 113cm.
You're probably better off looking at improving board shape (use the 20" FT-L tail too) than going beyond 105cm. Something like the longer skinnier Kalamas or similar.

I recently sold the Axis 1099 (110cm 10.6AR) after a few hours use as it just wasn't as fun as the 1300 and had about the same performance.

Using the same shape as the 1075 a 1375 would be under a metre I think.

GT2200 is 112cm span and still turns.

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JudoChop said..
GT2200 is 112cm span and still turns.

The gt2200 is a dog for turning.
We need a high-aspect wing for non-Hawaiian downwinds. A bit bigger than the rs1300

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Pacoo said..

JudoChop said..
GT2200 is 112cm span and still turns.

The gt2200 is a dog for turning.
We need a high-aspect wing for non-Hawaiian downwinds. A bit bigger than the rs1300

I could live with a dog but the 2200 is more like an 18 wheeler

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JudoChop said..
GT2200 is 112cm span and still turns.

The gt2200 is a dog for turning.
We need a high-aspect wing for non-Hawaiian downwinds. A bit bigger than the rs1300

What's wrong with the gt1400 or the gt1700. Once you think you need more foil than the RS1300 it makes sense to go to the larger chord of the GT's , instead of a prohibitive wingspan, to get the support on the and slower wind swells where HA foils are sort of harder to use. Sure they pump better but the fun is when your strategy is so good you use minimal pumping. I think the strategy is matching the foil to the bump speed and your weight.

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AnyBoard said..

Pacoo said..

JudoChop said..
GT2200 is 112cm span and still turns.

The gt2200 is a dog for turning.
We need a high-aspect wing for non-Hawaiian downwinds. A bit bigger than the rs1300

What's wrong with the gt1400 or the gt1700. Once you think you need more foil than the RS1300 it makes sense to go to the larger chord of the GT's , instead of a prohibitive wingspan, to get the support on the and slower wind swells where HA foils are sort of harder to use. Sure they pump better but the fun is when your strategy is so good you use minimal pumping. I think the strategy is matching the foil to the bump speed and your weight.

100%, you are spot on.

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AnyBoard said..

Pacoo said..

JudoChop said..
GT2200 is 112cm span and still turns.

The gt2200 is a dog for turning.
We need a high-aspect wing for non-Hawaiian downwinds. A bit bigger than the rs1300

What's wrong with the gt1400 or the gt1700. Once you think you need more foil than the RS1300 it makes sense to go to the larger chord of the GT's , instead of a prohibitive wingspan, to get the support on the and slower wind swells where HA foils are sort of harder to use. Sure they pump better but the fun is when your strategy is so good you use minimal pumping. I think the strategy is matching the foil to the bump speed and your weight.

What's wrong with the gt1400 or the gt1700?
Slow and lack of control, compared with the control at high speed of the RS130

The RS1300 needs a bit more lift.
The ideal wing for me should be the weapon of choice for those doing flat starts and then pumping forever.

Axis has a better range of options.
Anyway, just a wish list.

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Pacoo said..

AnyBoard said..

Pacoo said..

JudoChop said..
GT2200 is 112cm span and still turns.

The gt2200 is a dog for turning.
We need a high-aspect wing for non-Hawaiian downwinds. A bit bigger than the rs1300

What's wrong with the gt1400 or the gt1700. Once you think you need more foil than the RS1300 it makes sense to go to the larger chord of the GT's , instead of a prohibitive wingspan, to get the support on the and slower wind swells where HA foils are sort of harder to use. Sure they pump better but the fun is when your strategy is so good you use minimal pumping. I think the strategy is matching the foil to the bump speed and your weight.

What's wrong with the gt1400 or the gt1700?
Slow and lack of control, compared with the control at high speed of the RS130

The RS1300 needs a bit more lift.
The ideal wing for me should be the weapon of choice for those doing flat starts and then pumping forever.

Axis has a better range of options.
Anyway, just a wish list.

I am confused by your reply. High speeds on soft down winds??

The wing that enables flat starts is definitely not the wing that will pump forever or provide control at high speeds.

All of us are looking for help to make up for our lack of skill but I think matching the foil to the conditions of the day and our ability is where it's at. I think the good thing about dw is that you don't need the latest generations of foils to learn and be proficient and in fact the older slower foils may make the learning easier and more enjoyable. You should try down wind on some of those axis wings with their massive wing spans and see how well they handle speed and control not to mention the turning in the chop. Too funny.

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JudoChop said..
GT2200 is 112cm span and still turns.

The gt2200 is a dog for turning.
We need a high-aspect wing for non-Hawaiian downwinds. A bit bigger than the rs1300

They have it- PNL185. Better speed, pumping, and glide than the rs1300 with a bit less turning. Works good with the scary winglets chopped off too.
14.5 S and L, 12.5 L work good with it.

Looking to add gofoil setup for DW. Strictly looking at the numbers the GT1400 looks to have pretty good balance. Fairly high AR at 6.73 (RS 1000 is 6.64 for instance) not too wide for turns at 96.5, and decent lift at 1385. Most important feature for me is good glide at wide range of speed. Is this the one?

I also like the potential of better glide of the RS 1300 at a slightly higher AR 7.81 but in smaller bumps is the glide going to be better or will it struggle in light conditions?

Keeping my Armstrong stuff but both these wings seem like better options than anything Armstrong currently offers.

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WHS said..
Looking to add gofoil setup for DW. Strictly looking at the numbers the GT1400 looks to have pretty good balance. Fairly high AR at 6.73 (RS 1000 is 6.64 for instance) not too wide for turns at 96.5, and decent lift at 1385. Most important feature for me is good glide at wide range of speed. Is this the one?

I also like the potential of better glide of the RS 1300 at a slightly higher AR 7.81 but in smaller bumps is the glide going to be better or will it struggle in light conditions?

Keeping my Armstrong stuff but both these wings seem like better options than anything Armstrong currently offers.

I find the gt1400 an absolute blast. Very forgiving, turns well, relatively fast and the glide is good. Likes to stay in the steep part of a bump rather than run into the flats which a plus. Tails make a big difference, I use the FTL14 mainly but the fts14 is fun with better turning and the ftl12 for bigger waves or stronger wind. Occasionally use the ftl20 in tiny stuff for more glide.

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I also like the potential of better glide of the RS 1300 at a slightly higher AR 7.81 but in smaller bumps is the glide going to be better or will it struggle in light conditions?

The RS 1300 has a wingspan of 105cm and an AR of 8.4. Verified by numerous folks around the world (including Pohaku).
It's the misprint that nobody can be bothered to fix...

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Thatspec said..

WHS said..

I also like the potential of better glide of the RS 1300 at a slightly higher AR 7.81 but in smaller bumps is the glide going to be better or will it struggle in light conditions?

The RS 1300 has a wingspan of 105cm and an AR of 8.4. Verified by numerous folks around the world (including Pohaku).
It's the misprint that nobody can be bothered to fix...

I'll measure them both tomorrow after teaching and confirm the great debate

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FoilAddict said..

Pacoo said..

JudoChop said..
GT2200 is 112cm span and still turns.

The gt2200 is a dog for turning.
We need a high-aspect wing for non-Hawaiian downwinds. A bit bigger than the rs1300

They have it- PNL185. Better speed, pumping, and glide than the rs1300 with a bit less turning. Works good with the scary winglets chopped off too.
14.5 S and L, 12.5 L work good with it.

interesting. I've never tried the PNL. How do you rate it for initial lift? especially compared to some of the other gofoils? I'm a big guy looking for glide & speed for lighter wind winging. So some sort of ease to get up on foil is nice too.
I have the 1770 and 2200, which I can pretty much muscle up onto foil in the lightest stuff.... and it's fine to cruise around, but as soon as you luff the wing it drops way down in speed, unlike the 1150 (which is what I mostly use).
I use to have the 1300 and found it was turney enough for those lightwind purposes, and had lots of good things, but could have used a bit of help in initial lift. I regret selling it now, but maybe I should look at replacing with a PNL instead (???). Certainly the board makes a huge difference in light conditions too.

Not long home from an unreal 8 days downwind SUP foiling Maui's Maliko run , I used my RS1300 everyday with either FTL14 or FTL20...absolutely loved that combo for the paddle up and also found that the 1300 has a big "range" that is, super low stall speed but respectable top end .....felt fast to me anyhoo BTW my RS1300measures105cm span

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