i got my FT side by side with a buddy's pedestal and the FT has 1.8 degrees less angle. Makes sense based on the faster feels.

I'd say if you have the pedestal and want to step up that performance shim it to match.

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TooMuchEpoxy said..
i got my FT side by side with a buddy's pedestal and the FT has 1.8 degrees less angle. Makes sense based on the faster feels.

I'd say if you have the pedestal and want to step up that performance shim it to match.

Surprised you went with the FTL Not the FTS.. Glad your liking it though!

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db541 said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
i got my FT side by side with a buddy's pedestal and the FT has 1.8 degrees less angle. Makes sense based on the faster feels.

I'd say if you have the pedestal and want to step up that performance shim it to match.

Surprised you went with the FTL Not the FTS.. Glad your liking it though!

They were out!

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TooMuchEpoxy said..
i got my FT side by side with a buddy's pedestal and the FT has 1.8 degrees less angle. Makes sense based on the faster feels.

I'd say if you have the pedestal and want to step up that performance shim it to match.

Do you shim the front or back? Such a crap design, feels like you're dragging a brick compared to the FTS, but I would like to try it again if shimming helps.

Less angle would imply in my mind you would shim the rear to achieve if running the short bottom mount ped.

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RichJam said..
Less angle would imply in my mind you would shim the rear to achieve if running the short bottom mount ped.

It depends if you have a short or long pedestal. Shim it so the rear wing is pointing up more. Less downforce = more speed.

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robbo1111 said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
i got my FT side by side with a buddy's pedestal and the FT has 1.8 degrees less angle. Makes sense based on the faster feels.

I'd say if you have the pedestal and want to step up that performance shim it to match.

Do you shim the front or back? Such a crap design, feels like you're dragging a brick compared to the FTS, but I would like to try it again if shimming helps.

What's your weight?
The flip tail has a lot lift than the fixed.
If you're heavy and foil and smaller foil like RS1000 , I wonder if you're not flying the foil completely horizontal to keep you up and inducing drag.
I personally don't feel extra speed with fixed tail at 145lbs

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robbo1111 said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
i got my FT side by side with a buddy's pedestal and the FT has 1.8 degrees less angle. Makes sense based on the faster feels.

I'd say if you have the pedestal and want to step up that performance shim it to match.

Do you shim the front or back? Such a crap design, feels like you're dragging a brick compared to the FTS, but I would like to try it again if shimming helps.

What's your weight?
The flip tail has a lot lift than the fixed.
If you're heavy and foil and smaller foil like RS1000 , I wonder if you're not flying the foil completely horizontal to keep you up and inducing drag.
I personally don't feel extra speed with fixed tail at 145lbs

Thanks Rich for your review!

I am looking for a smaller wing than m'y rs1150 and i could be interested in one of the GT, for the big wingfoiling day and for better carving when surf foiling. I will soon try the 1050...

I have changed my fts 14.5 to a fts 12 and i am wondering if the 12 has a little less angle because i feel it is much more pitch sensitive. But i really like the turning improvement of my 1150. Only tested in wingfoiling for the moment.

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drlazone said..

robbo1111 said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
i got my FT side by side with a buddy's pedestal and the FT has 1.8 degrees less angle. Makes sense based on the faster feels.

I'd say if you have the pedestal and want to step up that performance shim it to match.

Do you shim the front or back? Such a crap design, feels like you're dragging a brick compared to the FTS, but I would like to try it again if shimming helps.

What's your weight?
The flip tail has a lot lift than the fixed.
If you're heavy and foil and smaller foil like RS1000 , I wonder if you're not flying the foil completely horizontal to keep you up and inducing drag.
I personally don't feel extra speed with fixed tail at 145lbs

I'm 70 kgs and winging the RS1000 with 14.5 FTS. Haven't bothered to try the RS with the older tail.

Where I noticed the difference between the FTS and flip tail / short ped was with the NL160. It felt so slow with the flip tail when compared with the FTS but maybe I need to shim it to optimise its performance.

Folks, I love this thread and just wanted to thank those who are active on it for sharing their thoughts on the RS line and now the GT.

Thanks for the reports please keep it up, thanks!
-red

No probs Red. Happy to spread the froth.

I'll try and articulate my thoughts re tails. First I'll run the older gen that had a pedestal.

The 14.5 flip tip on either pedestal was and is a great tail. It is big and not the speediest tail imo. The 12.5 flip was an awesome tail but they chopped so much chord (length along pedestal) out of it, it was almost too small for me unless I was going fast. Great for towing and proning.

Now IMO the NL's are a sensitive beast in pitch, I found my ability to go fast and keep control almost zip unless I shimmed it, always slowed the whole thing down, more front foot but more control so I wasn't having to control the foil all the time.

Now the new red FT LINE.

14.5 FTS was the first one I got. Instantly transformed the NL's. More speed, looser and more playful all whilst dampening the pitchyness. Now on the RS/GT line and it continues to be my go to tail. Think of it as my base line tune.

14.5FTL see above but with added pitch stability in all foils. I know that the DW crew seem to choose the longer version, but for me if I can have a more responsive ride that is still easy to control then I go that way. Suffice to say I moved my FTL on to a mate.

12.5 FTS again see above. GF did great in my mind with this as unlike the flip tips they kept a good chunk of chord so it has great bottom end. I use this on the prone and winging every foil I have. From a Ez1600 to a RS650 this tail works and has a valid place in a quiver. As noted above though being smaller you will sacrifice some of the stability and control especially at speed. For me this is most noticed when I finish an aggressive top turn and am setting up for the bottom turn. When it's engaged and turning no difference except being smaller it's looser and you can push through the tail.

12.5FTL
This I don't actually have at present (it's on its way thanks GF Oz). However I think this will be a great wing and tow tail as it will have all the turning characteristics of the 12.5S but will have enhanced longitudinal stability. I'll report back when I use it though.
For me - again everyone is different, having a fixed tail is awesome. I spent 6 months shaping tails and dicking around with shims, I had some amazing success and some days/ weeks where I wanted to give away setups. Not having that option now is great. I generally leave the 12.5 tail on unless it's light and go foil (pun) as hard as I can trying to do the hardest turns my spaghetti legs will allow for an hour or 2, come in stoked and smiling.

I'm sure curiosity will again peak and I'll be at the hardware store buying shims to sand down in .3mm increments but until that day I'll keep having fun and trying to push my riding.

Keep frothing peeps.

Rich

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Clemop said..
Thanks Rich for your review!

I am looking for a smaller wing than m'y rs1150 and i could be interested in one of the GT, for the big wingfoiling day and for better carving when surf foiling. I will soon try the 1050...

I have changed my fts 14.5 to a fts 12 and i am wondering if the 12 has a little less angle because i feel it is much more pitch sensitive. But i really like the turning improvement of my 1150. Only tested in wingfoiling for the moment.

Hi Clemop,

See what I wrote above. I'm happy to be proven wrong but the 12.5 would probably be the same angle of incidence, but it will be less stable due to the reduction in size. Extending the moment via a longer tail FTL will likely address this but everything is a compromise.

Don't be scared of the 1000, we are running these in up the 5ft waves. Down here the additional lift of say the 1000 over the 750/650 is great as we tend to ride into a cross off wind so a bit more glide is lovely. In fact the last gen foils like the Armie1050 NL130 didn't have enough glide speed and carry to ride into the wind. The RS and GT range certainly does.

Rich.

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No probs Red. Happy to spread the froth.

I'll try and articulate my thoughts re tails. First I'll run the older gen that had a pedestal.

The 14.5 flip tip on either pedestal was and is a great tail. It is big and not the speediest tail imo. The 12.5 flip was an awesome tail but they chopped so much chord (length along pedestal) out of it, it was almost too small for me unless I was going fast. Great for towing and proning.

Now IMO the NL's are a sensitive beast in pitch, I found my ability to go fast and keep control almost zip unless I shimmed it, always slowed the whole thing down, more front foot but more control so I wasn't having to control the foil all the time.

Now the new red FT LINE.

14.5 FTS was the first one I got. Instantly transformed the NL's. More speed, looser and more playful all whilst dampening the pitchyness. Now on the RS/GT line and it continues to be my go to tail. Think of it as my base line tune.

14.5FTL see above but with added pitch stability in all foils. I know that the DW crew seem to choose the longer version, but for me if I can have a more responsive ride that is still easy to control then I go that way. Suffice to say I moved my FTL on to a mate.

12.5 FTS again see above. GF did great in my mind with this as unlike the flip tips they kept a good chunk of chord so it has great bottom end. I use this on the prone and winging every foil I have. From a Ez1600 to a RS650 this tail works and has a valid place in a quiver. As noted above though being smaller you will sacrifice some of the stability and control especially at speed. For me this is most noticed when I finish an aggressive top turn and am setting up for the bottom turn. When it's engaged and turning no difference except being smaller it's looser and you can push through the tail.

12.5FTL
This I don't actually have at present (it's on its way thanks GF Oz). However I think this will be a great wing and tow tail as it will have all the turning characteristics of the 12.5S but will have enhanced longitudinal stability. I'll report back when I use it though.
For me - again everyone is different, having a fixed tail is awesome. I spent 6 months shaping tails and dicking around with shims, I had some amazing success and some days/ weeks where I wanted to give away setups. Not having that option now is great. I generally leave the 12.5 tail on unless it's light and go foil (pun) as hard as I can trying to do the hardest turns my spaghetti legs will allow for an hour or 2, come in stoked and smiling.

I'm sure curiosity will again peak and I'll be at the hardware store buying shims to sand down in .3mm increments but until that day I'll keep having fun and trying to push my riding.

Keep frothing peeps.

Rich

Love the 12.5 FTS. Faster less drag than 14.5 FTS. I haven't looked back but but I will try 14.5 again in super small fl surf. Cadence is a little higher which I think I prefer and considerably more turny.. used w the the gt 12.5 and the Rs 1150 and now w my new GT 1400 which is a blast in small Florida surf. I think the GT is underestimated. Not as fast as rs but makes up for it in turns and that little extra lift through turns in weak connections and slow gutless sections. Foil choice depends on the day and conditions.
Coming off takuma and having tons of fun w the new GF stuff.
I'll report back w the 14.5 vs 12.5 when I revisit it.
Not any issues w pitch stability w the 12.5. As the technique gets better I find pitch control gets better as well.


Thanks
dave

Great feedback Dave.
I guess I should clarify my comments - the same pitch control requires less force on the 12.5 v 14.5.

So the instability is me over controlling until I'm used to the size.

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db541 said..

RichJam said..
No probs Red. Happy to spread the froth.

I'll try and articulate my thoughts re tails. First I'll run the older gen that had a pedestal.

The 14.5 flip tip on either pedestal was and is a great tail. It is big and not the speediest tail imo. The 12.5 flip was an awesome tail but they chopped so much chord (length along pedestal) out of it, it was almost too small for me unless I was going fast. Great for towing and proning.

Now IMO the NL's are a sensitive beast in pitch, I found my ability to go fast and keep control almost zip unless I shimmed it, always slowed the whole thing down, more front foot but more control so I wasn't having to control the foil all the time.

Now the new red FT LINE.

14.5 FTS was the first one I got. Instantly transformed the NL's. More speed, looser and more playful all whilst dampening the pitchyness. Now on the RS/GT line and it continues to be my go to tail. Think of it as my base line tune.

14.5FTL see above but with added pitch stability in all foils. I know that the DW crew seem to choose the longer version, but for me if I can have a more responsive ride that is still easy to control then I go that way. Suffice to say I moved my FTL on to a mate.

12.5 FTS again see above. GF did great in my mind with this as unlike the flip tips they kept a good chunk of chord so it has great bottom end. I use this on the prone and winging every foil I have. From a Ez1600 to a RS650 this tail works and has a valid place in a quiver. As noted above though being smaller you will sacrifice some of the stability and control especially at speed. For me this is most noticed when I finish an aggressive top turn and am setting up for the bottom turn. When it's engaged and turning no difference except being smaller it's looser and you can push through the tail.

12.5FTL
This I don't actually have at present (it's on its way thanks GF Oz). However I think this will be a great wing and tow tail as it will have all the turning characteristics of the 12.5S but will have enhanced longitudinal stability. I'll report back when I use it though.
For me - again everyone is different, having a fixed tail is awesome. I spent 6 months shaping tails and dicking around with shims, I had some amazing success and some days/ weeks where I wanted to give away setups. Not having that option now is great. I generally leave the 12.5 tail on unless it's light and go foil (pun) as hard as I can trying to do the hardest turns my spaghetti legs will allow for an hour or 2, come in stoked and smiling.

I'm sure curiosity will again peak and I'll be at the hardware store buying shims to sand down in .3mm increments but until that day I'll keep having fun and trying to push my riding.

Keep frothing peeps.

Rich

Love the 12.5 FTS. Faster less drag than 14.5 FTS. I haven't looked back but but I will try 14.5 again in super small fl surf. Cadence is a little higher which I think I prefer and considerably more turny.. used w the the gt 12.5 and the Rs 1150 and now w my new GT 1400 which is a blast in small Florida surf. I think the GT is underestimated. Not as fast as rs but makes up for it in turns and that little extra lift through turns in weak connections and slow gutless sections. Foil choice depends on the day and conditions.
Coming off takuma and having tons of fun w the new GF stuff.
I'll report back w the 14.5 vs 12.5 when I revisit it.
Not any issues w pitch stability w the 12.5. As the technique gets better I find pitch control gets better as well.


Thanks
dave

Dave, Playing around wiht my FTL and my different tails on the short ped i find the 12.5 Long to be right in the sweet spot for pump on the 1150. I feel like the 12.3 Long and the 14.5 short are probably going to be about equivalent in that respect. I do find it a little over stabalized on my most agressive turns (i get like like 3/4 the way through the turn and my body is already totally extended and i kind of have to just be still and pray till it finishes coming around).

THe 12.5 FTL is definately too much tail on the 1000. Its hurting my pump significantly by overstabalizing. Need to get the short here.

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TooMuchEpoxy said..

db541 said..

RichJam said..
No probs Red. Happy to spread the froth.

I'll try and articulate my thoughts re tails. First I'll run the older gen that had a pedestal.

The 14.5 flip tip on either pedestal was and is a great tail. It is big and not the speediest tail imo. The 12.5 flip was an awesome tail but they chopped so much chord (length along pedestal) out of it, it was almost too small for me unless I was going fast. Great for towing and proning.

Now IMO the NL's are a sensitive beast in pitch, I found my ability to go fast and keep control almost zip unless I shimmed it, always slowed the whole thing down, more front foot but more control so I wasn't having to control the foil all the time.

Now the new red FT LINE.

14.5 FTS was the first one I got. Instantly transformed the NL's. More speed, looser and more playful all whilst dampening the pitchyness. Now on the RS/GT line and it continues to be my go to tail. Think of it as my base line tune.

14.5FTL see above but with added pitch stability in all foils. I know that the DW crew seem to choose the longer version, but for me if I can have a more responsive ride that is still easy to control then I go that way. Suffice to say I moved my FTL on to a mate.

12.5 FTS again see above. GF did great in my mind with this as unlike the flip tips they kept a good chunk of chord so it has great bottom end. I use this on the prone and winging every foil I have. From a Ez1600 to a RS650 this tail works and has a valid place in a quiver. As noted above though being smaller you will sacrifice some of the stability and control especially at speed. For me this is most noticed when I finish an aggressive top turn and am setting up for the bottom turn. When it's engaged and turning no difference except being smaller it's looser and you can push through the tail.

12.5FTL
This I don't actually have at present (it's on its way thanks GF Oz). However I think this will be a great wing and tow tail as it will have all the turning characteristics of the 12.5S but will have enhanced longitudinal stability. I'll report back when I use it though.
For me - again everyone is different, having a fixed tail is awesome. I spent 6 months shaping tails and dicking around with shims, I had some amazing success and some days/ weeks where I wanted to give away setups. Not having that option now is great. I generally leave the 12.5 tail on unless it's light and go foil (pun) as hard as I can trying to do the hardest turns my spaghetti legs will allow for an hour or 2, come in stoked and smiling.

I'm sure curiosity will again peak and I'll be at the hardware store buying shims to sand down in .3mm increments but until that day I'll keep having fun and trying to push my riding.

Keep frothing peeps.

Rich

Love the 12.5 FTS. Faster less drag than 14.5 FTS. I haven't looked back but but I will try 14.5 again in super small fl surf. Cadence is a little higher which I think I prefer and considerably more turny.. used w the the gt 12.5 and the Rs 1150 and now w my new GT 1400 which is a blast in small Florida surf. I think the GT is underestimated. Not as fast as rs but makes up for it in turns and that little extra lift through turns in weak connections and slow gutless sections. Foil choice depends on the day and conditions.
Coming off takuma and having tons of fun w the new GF stuff.
I'll report back w the 14.5 vs 12.5 when I revisit it.
Not any issues w pitch stability w the 12.5. As the technique gets better I find pitch control gets better as well.


Thanks
dave

Dave, Playing around wiht my FTL and my different tails on the short ped i find the 12.5 Long to be right in the sweet spot for pump on the 1150. I feel like the 12.3 Long and the 14.5 short are probably going to be about equivalent in that respect. I do find it a little over stabalized on my most agressive turns (i get like like 3/4 the way through the turn and my body is already totally extended and i kind of have to just be still and pray till it finishes coming around).

THe 12.5 FTL is definately too much tail on the 1000. Its hurting my pump significantly by overstabalizing. Need to get the short here.

Very cool fellas! Good to have some thoughts/feels!
Rich-generalizing when do you decide between 12/14 FTS prone, just curious?

Nick - interesting take on the 1150 ftl long combo, interested in trying, also the RS1000. That might be my next front wing...

lmk next time your headed this way, we can mix and match !


Side note tried the GT 1050 last week, killer and fun, but in our waves giving up fair amount of pump for those turns. If we had bigger surf, different story. Hoping the 1000 will fill the gap for when it gets bigger.

However the GT the GT 1400 will be a small wave weapon and be a total blast-pumps insane and still turns and glides well!

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RichJam said..
Pacoo swap to the GT line. 1400 or 2200 would be an awesome wing. Re shimming depends on the board and the tail. Sunova board and fts tail haven't needed shimming

TME - when I proned the 1150 I found the same. Although I found it easy to pump and once I got the quick blip cadence I felt I could pump for ages and cover heaps of ground. I didn't love it though. However I winged it a few times this week and it did impress me. I was easily put pacing a mate of a GL120 and a lift 120, super easy to transition from locked in speed runs to turning - totally surprised me as it didn't feel that way when I proned it. So I'll go back to the drawing board and give it another go when the swell drops. I could have easily been on the 1000 having fun but the 1150 was a blast. I'm 95-90kg too.


Going to have a run on a 1300 this week for comparison.


Rich.

Hey Rich - I have the RS1000 with FTS and am really impressed... but the RS1300 is WAAAY faster than you would expect. I was racing my 1000 with a 1300 yesterday and we were absolutely neck and neck reaching at 21-22kts. I could not believe how fast the RS1300 was, considering.

Tried the fts 12 this evening with RS 1150 in really bad waves with a lot of movement under water and big tide... It is faster than the 14, really less drag. It pumps well but there is less forward projection so i had to work a bit with the rear foot and i had to be careful with lateral movement because this stab doesn't want to go straight when pumping ^^
But in the surf it is so good ! Really lively and turny. One thing i dislike with the 14 was when doing a top turn or a connexion turn i had to work a lot with my back foot to prevent the foil to "over turn". I had to push with this foot on the opposite rail to redirect the board and put the foil in the good direction. With the 12 as soon as you stop leaning on the turn the foil comes back under the board. (It is quite strange to write this but i feel it this way) no need of back foot pressure on the opposite rail.

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db541 said..

RichJam said..
No probs Red. Happy to spread the froth.

I'll try and articulate my thoughts re tails. First I'll run the older gen that had a pedestal.

The 14.5 flip tip on either pedestal was and is a great tail. It is big and not the speediest tail imo. The 12.5 flip was an awesome tail but they chopped so much chord (length along pedestal) out of it, it was almost too small for me unless I was going fast. Great for towing and proning.

Now IMO the NL's are a sensitive beast in pitch, I found my ability to go fast and keep control almost zip unless I shimmed it, always slowed the whole thing down, more front foot but more control so I wasn't having to control the foil all the time.

Now the new red FT LINE.

14.5 FTS was the first one I got. Instantly transformed the NL's. More speed, looser and more playful all whilst dampening the pitchyness. Now on the RS/GT line and it continues to be my go to tail. Think of it as my base line tune.

14.5FTL see above but with added pitch stability in all foils. I know that the DW crew seem to choose the longer version, but for me if I can have a more responsive ride that is still easy to control then I go that way. Suffice to say I moved my FTL on to a mate.

12.5 FTS again see above. GF did great in my mind with this as unlike the flip tips they kept a good chunk of chord so it has great bottom end. I use this on the prone and winging every foil I have. From a Ez1600 to a RS650 this tail works and has a valid place in a quiver. As noted above though being smaller you will sacrifice some of the stability and control especially at speed. For me this is most noticed when I finish an aggressive top turn and am setting up for the bottom turn. When it's engaged and turning no difference except being smaller it's looser and you can push through the tail.

12.5FTL
This I don't actually have at present (it's on its way thanks GF Oz). However I think this will be a great wing and tow tail as it will have all the turning characteristics of the 12.5S but will have enhanced longitudinal stability. I'll report back when I use it though.
For me - again everyone is different, having a fixed tail is awesome. I spent 6 months shaping tails and dicking around with shims, I had some amazing success and some days/ weeks where I wanted to give away setups. Not having that option now is great. I generally leave the 12.5 tail on unless it's light and go foil (pun) as hard as I can trying to do the hardest turns my spaghetti legs will allow for an hour or 2, come in stoked and smiling.

I'm sure curiosity will again peak and I'll be at the hardware store buying shims to sand down in .3mm increments but until that day I'll keep having fun and trying to push my riding.

Keep frothing peeps.

Rich

Love the 12.5 FTS. Faster less drag than 14.5 FTS. I haven't looked back but but I will try 14.5 again in super small fl surf. Cadence is a little higher which I think I prefer and considerably more turny.. used w the the gt 12.5 and the Rs 1150 and now w my new GT 1400 which is a blast in small Florida surf. I think the GT is underestimated. Not as fast as rs but makes up for it in turns and that little extra lift through turns in weak connections and slow gutless sections. Foil choice depends on the day and conditions.
Coming off takuma and having tons of fun w the new GF stuff.
I'll report back w the 14.5 vs 12.5 when I revisit it.
Not any issues w pitch stability w the 12.5. As the technique gets better I find pitch control gets better as well.


Thanks
dave

Had a solid chest to head high day yesterday. Started w the 1150 and 12.5 then switched to 14.5 amazing stability on the drop and super forgiving w lots of water moving around. The pump was great and a touch more forgiving and generally rock solid. Super stable on the the fast sections. Really stoked it wasn't boosty!
Much smaller today and stated w 14.5. Super great pump but felt a big draggy, but fun still turned well. Switched to 12.5 boom faster less drag tighter turns still pumped great. Never moved foil in the box.
I will now use 14.5 on the bigger& choppy days for the extra balance and stability and 12.5 for more ripable days.
Will do same experiment on GT 1250/1400!

FYI: 100kgs, winging, own RS1000/1150 and GT1400

I had my first session on a GT1250 with FTS14.5 up to 1m wind chop, and this is such a good wing, so easy to start/ride and turn and I think the GT line is more forgiving on breaching than the RS line, it's hard to fall off.

After the session I was thinking do I really need my RS1150 anymore in my line up....

@db541 I'm a bit odd. prefer the 1150/12.5 and 1000/14.5 proning. No doubt this will change as autumn waves are about to arrive so winging will stop.
@foilsleeve I'm actually not surprised as GF have always made slippery and fast wings regardless of their size. I just can't justify a 1300 for where I live.

@clemop great feedback. Re your last statement it could be more a function of the 1150's width rather than the tail, however a smaller tail clearly addresses the problem for you


Keep it coming.

Rich

Horses for courses:
@db541 I would think the 12.5 would be better on bigger days to handle the extra speed.
@north_kiter I found the 1150 way faster with better glide than the GT1400 with similar lift @105kg. I am interested in a GT1050 or GT1250 for bigger waves though. RS1000 can get overwhelmed when swell is over a head and a half.

Anyone tried the FTL20?

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hilly said..
Horses for courses:
@db541 I would think the 12.5 would be better on bigger days to handle the extra speed.
@north_kiter I found the 1150 way faster with better glide than the GT1400 with similar lift @105kg. I am interested in a GT1050 or GT1250 for bigger waves though. RS1000 can get overwhelmed when swell is over a head and a half.

Anyone tried the FTL20?

I found the 12.5 was less pitch stable in bigger waves and you gave up some pumping the soup until you get back out to green water. You give up some speed but But gained control in bigger surf especially in bigger take off. Both doable for sure I've been riding the 12.5 since mid December and was stoked to have this option for the right days. My two cents!

@hilly I found the GT1250 really agile and fast, and to be honest I doubt there is much in it between the RS1150. I didn't have a GPS so I can't accurately compare speeds but in terms of fun factor, you couldn't go wrong with either one. Probably at my weight the extra cm2 is what makes it more user friendly/fun, and I doubt there is much in it at the top end. It definitely turns better as smaller only by 25mm, just my 2 cents worth.

I'm just trying to work out the best combo for me and my conditions
1) GT1400/GT1250 and RS1000
2) GT1400/RS1150 and RS1000
3) GT1400/GT1250, RS1150 and RS1000
4) GT1250, RS1150 and RS1000

I haven't tried the FT(S/L)12.5, does it really make a difference if winging only?

What did you mean by overwhelmed here, too much foil? "RS1000 can get overwhelmed when swell is over a head and a half"

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north_kiter said..What did you mean by overwhelmed here, too much foil? "RS1000 can get overwhelmed when swell is over a head and a half"

You go so fast you cannot turn until out in front of the wave. Not a good feeling with a solid wave behind you, plus the rest of the set.

I am thinking:
GT1050, RS1150 and GT2200

With the RS1150 getting the bulk of the action. GT1050 bigger waves and GT2200 for DW and possible foil drive or the like.
Then play with tails.

lol I've never had that experience in big waves foiling, lucky you!

I guess the GT1050 will be more agile than the RS1000, but slower (not sure if this is true as it's smaller but AR is lower), but maybe that's what you need for those big waves.

It feels weird saying this but the GT1250 didn't feel like as much front foot pressure as the RS1150, and had both in the same mast position.

wing span, area, aspect ratio
RS1150 915, 1150, 7.28
GT1250 890, 1250, 6.34

Would be great to try the GT1050 vs RS1000.

I've had some good sessions winging with the RS1000 but the smaller span of the GT1050 is very attractive.

Need to demo all

So just to throw a spanner in the works. RS850 - Jeremy Riggs paddle up. Read the caption from Dave Click this: www.instagram.com/tv/CarWwams5V4/?utm_medium=copy_link

That RS 850 looks pretty perfect!

Oh this looks like a really ha wing like the Armstrong or Lift ! I need one