Thanks for the detailed review AnyBoard. You make a tempting case.

Hate to admit I am feeling a little exhausted by the gear merry go round, having thrown 3-4 grand at it in the last year, only to find last year's Next Level have now been downgraded to Sub-Basement. Seeing the new ones (GT) compared to the prior, I am having difficulty rationalizing the degree of improvement being described.

If the new ones are as good as everyone says, of course I'll want one. I will need to see it locally and hopefully feel the magic first hand in order to get over the hump.

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RichJam said..
Anyboard that is awesome feedback. How I wish to be 65kg!


Now the other end of the spectrum 85-90kg. I have proned this wing in utter dribble like 6s .2ft wind swell and 10-12s 1.2-1.5m swell. It is god dang amazing.
Whilst I like the rest of the world have an 1150 on order I didn't but it specifically to prone surf. The 1000 is going to be my go too. The 1150 is for both demo purposes and to open a few doors like prone DW and wing DW when in Perth. For waves it will be 1000/650. It pumps better than the 160 and as it generates so much speed you cover distance rapidly.
Eppo for a one wing quiver the 1000 and FTS is all you will need.

As a 65kg lightweight I was shocked at how well it did surf in tiny waves. If it shocked this lightweight then it will definitely surprise those heavier riders looking for high performance surfing in small waves. But yes eppo one wing quiver no question RS1000.

I am betting you will surf the 1150 semi regularly as the 1150 is just as surprising.

Enjoy

Just to be clear the 1150 is what i am describing above

i have just proned the rs 1000 today after 3 sessions on the 1150.
I am 62 kg.
I am sure now i will order the 1150 and not the 1000 even if i am lightweight.
The 1150 is really better at pumping and much more stable when you go accross the whitewater or when you leave a wave with almost no speed to start pumping.
The waves were waist to shoulder high and with the 1000 i have to pump in the wave to continue to fly...
I know my feedback is a bit different from what is written above but i am sure the 1150 is better for me for a one wing quiver for both prone and wingfoil... even for 62 kg

How much experience do you have with HA wings when proning ? Just as they take a different technique when pumping back out. And you have it forward enough in the mast track? What I am saying is - you sure it's not just technique?

Jauandesooka I'm sorry to say it but after a season on the NL's the RS leaves it for dead. Massive improvements in every aspect. I totally get where you are coming from but if a foil makes it easier to ride this more fun and you get better at the same time then it's money well spent.
Ckemop - awesome feedback re the 1150/1000. There aren't many people rocking both in Oz so you are a lucky person!! Also great feedback regarding the 1150 and a lighter weight rider.

I'll have to wait until I have an 1150 to comment properly but down here there is generally plenty of power, so the 1000 works well for you if you can pump it - I'm lucky that I find it pretty forgiving to pump.

Your comments re the whitewater I find the 1000 is allowing me to get comfortable starting to hit the whitewater for rebounds etc.

Eppo can't wait for your post ride report.

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Jauandesooka I'm sorry to say it but after a season on the NL's the RS leaves it for dead. Massive improvements in every aspect. I totally get where you are coming from but if a foil makes it easier to ride this more fun and you get better at the same time then it's money well spent.

Thanks Rich, that's good info and very helpful. I have felt some frustrating struggles lately in achieving what I want, both in prone pumping and in long effortless wing glides, particularly in comparison to buddies on axis gear. So if the RS moves me along the curve, I don't mind spending the $ as long as I am getting the real deal goods. I just worry that it'll end up "Next Level Repeat"....average Joe feedback is good reassurance.

Best case scenario is I will type in 16 digits an get a magic bullet, where my world suddenly opens up. The painful alternative is that my struggles are more about technique or talent, both of which are a lot harder to tackle.

After a week on the RS1000 and GTS1400 I can say that the gear has improved my wave and bump riding 25%+ at least. So easy to ride with no locked in feeling they roll side to side really well. Very impressed.

I had previously the nl160 and various wings from Gong.
Where i am in Brittany the waves are pretty weak. I can pump the rs1000 and connect waves... But i am so much better with the 1150 with no drawback. It is a bit less manoeuvrable but the pitch control is so easy, the lift is so predictible... Even with 62 kg. The stall speed is so low, you can do really nice and tight turns on swell without losing the flight or being thrown in the air. You don't have to bend the knee to keep power on the wing so you can be standing relax and drive the foil with the backfoot without worrying about the pitch. Regarding wingfoiling, i can fly with almost no speed, to look for waves or bump... Or go 20+ knots...

So for me it is an incredible wing. It just need an offset stance for lightweight riders.

Juandesooka - I see no good returns trying to convince you to spend money if it doesn't improve the experience for you. Whilst this thread is all about the RS, don't be shy or scared to try the GT's.


I've just returned from winging the 650. Holy snapping duck ?? this thing is amazing.


Speeeeeeeeeeeeed. Manoeuvrability in spades. Bottom end, hell yes it has that too. Feels about the same to get going as a NL130.


Biggest downside that I felt - all the speed and manoeuvrability comes back to haunt you when you crash. Small price to play.

12 months ago I thought winging a 1050 size wing was tiny now I'm thinking about a 500!

Oh and it pumps.
It will definitely work on a prone.

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RichJam said..
Jauandesooka I'm sorry to say it but after a season on the NL's the RS leaves it for dead. Massive improvements in every aspect. I totally get where you are coming from but if a foil makes it easier to ride this more fun and you get better at the same time then it's money well spent.

Thanks Rich, that's good info and very helpful. I have felt some frustrating struggles lately in achieving what I want, both in prone pumping and in long effortless wing glides, particularly in comparison to buddies on axis gear. So if the RS moves me along the curve, I don't mind spending the $ as long as I am getting the real deal goods. I just worry that it'll end up "Next Level Repeat"....average Joe feedback is good reassurance.

Best case scenario is I will type in 16 digits an get a magic bullet, where my world suddenly opens up. The painful alternative is that my struggles are more about technique or talent, both of which are a lot harder to tackle.

Sometimes it's hard to tell if the performance foiling is coming from the gear or the rider.I just came back from a trip up north where 15 foilers we're out on a break, 1 rider on a gofoil going quiet well 2 on same gear going average, 1 on unifoil going very well , 1 big guy who didn't look very fit on Axis going way better than you would think. Then one young fit foiler on an old low aspect Konrad pretty much smashing everyone in every way ,pumping, turning, and linking the most waves. That day the foiler was more important than the gear he was riding. Mind you there was a comment from one of the older guys......If that kid ever gets on a HA foil you'll never stop him.

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kobo said..Sometimes it's hard to tell if the performance foiling

Not if it is your personal experience. Unfortunately the RS was as good as promoted and cost me a fair bit of coin. But very happy with the investment. HA is great in the small sizes but not for bigger foilers. MA is best for me.

For sure , If it works for you then it's a good foil ,like red wine......if it tastes good to you then it's a good wine !

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juandesooka said..

RichJam said..
Jauandesooka I'm sorry to say it but after a season on the NL's the RS leaves it for dead. Massive improvements in every aspect. I totally get where you are coming from but if a foil makes it easier to ride this more fun and you get better at the same time then it's money well spent.

Thanks Rich, that's good info and very helpful. I have felt some frustrating struggles lately in achieving what I want, both in prone pumping and in long effortless wing glides, particularly in comparison to buddies on axis gear. So if the RS moves me along the curve, I don't mind spending the $ as long as I am getting the real deal goods. I just worry that it'll end up "Next Level Repeat"....average Joe feedback is good reassurance.

Best case scenario is I will type in 16 digits an get a magic bullet, where my world suddenly opens up. The painful alternative is that my struggles are more about technique or talent, both of which are a lot harder to tackle.

Sometimes it's hard to tell if the performance foiling is coming from the gear or the rider.I just came back from a trip up north where 15 foilers we're out on a break, 1 rider on a gofoil going quiet well 2 on same gear going average, 1 on unifoil going very well , 1 big guy who didn't look very fit on Axis going way better than you would think. Then one young fit foiler on an old low aspect Konrad pretty much smashing everyone in every way ,pumping, turning, and linking the most waves. That day the foiler was more important than the gear he was riding. Mind you there was a comment from one of the older guys......If that kid ever gets on a HA foil you'll never stop him.

Totally agree Kobo. You could give anything to a gifted Foiler and they will rip. That is why Insta and pro's are important.
One of the reasons I started this thread was to do what most pro's don't. Make a post from a average joe POV about some awesome new gear to the market. Get people talking and maybe see a few more GF's in the water.

I'm selfish and my budget is gone. Way I figure it is the more people I get on GF locally the more stuff I can borrow and try and increase the stoke.

yeeeeew.

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RichJam said..

kobo said..

juandesooka said..

RichJam said..
Jauandesooka I'm sorry to say it but after a season on the NL's the RS leaves it for dead. Massive improvements in every aspect. I totally get where you are coming from but if a foil makes it easier to ride this more fun and you get better at the same time then it's money well spent.

Thanks Rich, that's good info and very helpful. I have felt some frustrating struggles lately in achieving what I want, both in prone pumping and in long effortless wing glides, particularly in comparison to buddies on axis gear. So if the RS moves me along the curve, I don't mind spending the $ as long as I am getting the real deal goods. I just worry that it'll end up "Next Level Repeat"....average Joe feedback is good reassurance.

Best case scenario is I will type in 16 digits an get a magic bullet, where my world suddenly opens up. The painful alternative is that my struggles are more about technique or talent, both of which are a lot harder to tackle.

Sometimes it's hard to tell if the performance foiling is coming from the gear or the rider.I just came back from a trip up north where 15 foilers we're out on a break, 1 rider on a gofoil going quiet well 2 on same gear going average, 1 on unifoil going very well , 1 big guy who didn't look very fit on Axis going way better than you would think. Then one young fit foiler on an old low aspect Konrad pretty much smashing everyone in every way ,pumping, turning, and linking the most waves. That day the foiler was more important than the gear he was riding. Mind you there was a comment from one of the older guys......If that kid ever gets on a HA foil you'll never stop him.

Totally agree Kobo. You could give anything to a gifted Foiler and they will rip. That is why Insta and pro's are important.
One of the reasons I started this thread was to do what most pro's don't. Make a post from a average joe POV about some awesome new gear to the market. Get people talking and maybe see a few more GF's in the water.

I'm selfish and my budget is gone. Way I figure it is the more people I get on GF locally the more stuff I can borrow and try and increase the stoke.

yeeeeew.

RS800 is needed

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kobo said..

juandesooka said..

RichJam said..
Jauandesooka I'm sorry to say it but after a season on the NL's the RS leaves it for dead. Massive improvements in every aspect. I totally get where you are coming from but if a foil makes it easier to ride this more fun and you get better at the same time then it's money well spent.

Thanks Rich, that's good info and very helpful. I have felt some frustrating struggles lately in achieving what I want, both in prone pumping and in long effortless wing glides, particularly in comparison to buddies on axis gear. So if the RS moves me along the curve, I don't mind spending the $ as long as I am getting the real deal goods. I just worry that it'll end up "Next Level Repeat"....average Joe feedback is good reassurance.

Best case scenario is I will type in 16 digits an get a magic bullet, where my world suddenly opens up. The painful alternative is that my struggles are more about technique or talent, both of which are a lot harder to tackle.

Sometimes it's hard to tell if the performance foiling is coming from the gear or the rider.I just came back from a trip up north where 15 foilers we're out on a break, 1 rider on a gofoil going quiet well 2 on same gear going average, 1 on unifoil going very well , 1 big guy who didn't look very fit on Axis going way better than you would think. Then one young fit foiler on an old low aspect Konrad pretty much smashing everyone in every way ,pumping, turning, and linking the most waves. That day the foiler was more important than the gear he was riding. Mind you there was a comment from one of the older guys......If that kid ever gets on a HA foil you'll never stop him.

yeh agreed. I'm watching my son rip it to shreds on the armie HA 725/925 in the wave. So damn frustrating grrrr. I also agree with kobo that most of us are just not talented enough, too old or both lol.

I have lately gone back to the chopped 1250 and the 1050 with a locally made KD maui type tail (with some further personal sanding done ) with a heap of negative camber and it's somehow unlocked glide, turning, pumping and speed I didn't know existed. On a minus one shim its Super balanced between feet. Having the best wave and DW sessions. In a real good place at the moment - but by god has it taken a long time. Puzzles me why armie don't have more tails like this - the change is remarkable. Starting to really push the turning limits - for me anyhow lol.

Keen to try the RS though now I've optimised a great setup to compare.

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RichJam said..

kobo said..

juandesooka said..

RichJam said..
Jauandesooka I'm sorry to say it but after a season on the NL's the RS leaves it for dead. Massive improvements in every aspect. I totally get where you are coming from but if a foil makes it easier to ride this more fun and you get better at the same time then it's money well spent.

Thanks Rich, that's good info and very helpful. I have felt some frustrating struggles lately in achieving what I want, both in prone pumping and in long effortless wing glides, particularly in comparison to buddies on axis gear. So if the RS moves me along the curve, I don't mind spending the $ as long as I am getting the real deal goods. I just worry that it'll end up "Next Level Repeat"....average Joe feedback is good reassurance.

Best case scenario is I will type in 16 digits an get a magic bullet, where my world suddenly opens up. The painful alternative is that my struggles are more about technique or talent, both of which are a lot harder to tackle.

Sometimes it's hard to tell if the performance foiling is coming from the gear or the rider.I just came back from a trip up north where 15 foilers we're out on a break, 1 rider on a gofoil going quiet well 2 on same gear going average, 1 on unifoil going very well , 1 big guy who didn't look very fit on Axis going way better than you would think. Then one young fit foiler on an old low aspect Konrad pretty much smashing everyone in every way ,pumping, turning, and linking the most waves. That day the foiler was more important than the gear he was riding. Mind you there was a comment from one of the older guys......If that kid ever gets on a HA foil you'll never stop him.

Totally agree Kobo. You could give anything to a gifted Foiler and they will rip. That is why Insta and pro's are important.
One of the reasons I started this thread was to do what most pro's don't. Make a post from a average joe POV about some awesome new gear to the market. Get people talking and maybe see a few more GF's in the water.

I'm selfish and my budget is gone. Way I figure it is the more people I get on GF locally the more stuff I can borrow and try and increase the stoke.

yeeeeew.

RS800 is needed

Been out in some big ass swell hilly ?

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Whilst this thread is all about the RS, don't be shy or scared to try the GT's.

GT ... tried buddy's briefly, worked fine, but didn't really notice any wow's compared to NL. However, not an overly comprehensive test, needs more time on water to be sure.

RS ... this thread is enticing me to give it a go. 25% improvement in downwind bump connecting would be well worth it. Though the 1000 vs 1150 question remains ... as Clemop presents a convincing argument, size up seems a safer bet.

Thanks for creating this thread Rich, as the Average Joe POV is super important. Seeing James Casey rip on the RS does me no good, as he also rips on the NL, GL, and OG wings. Making buying decisions based on watching superstar intagrams is a recipe for disappointment.

Agreed above last statement. To get more excited I spoke to the best wave winger here (and he'd be hard to beat in most places) he was sliding the RS out when trying hillys, it's that loose yet stable and fluid .. and still just kept on foiling. I do hope other manufactures are watching this thread. Probably not .

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hilly said..

RichJam said..

kobo said..

juandesooka said..

RichJam said..
Jauandesooka I'm sorry to say it but after a season on the NL's the RS leaves it for dead. Massive improvements in every aspect. I totally get where you are coming from but if a foil makes it easier to ride this more fun and you get better at the same time then it's money well spent.

Thanks Rich, that's good info and very helpful. I have felt some frustrating struggles lately in achieving what I want, both in prone pumping and in long effortless wing glides, particularly in comparison to buddies on axis gear. So if the RS moves me along the curve, I don't mind spending the $ as long as I am getting the real deal goods. I just worry that it'll end up "Next Level Repeat"....average Joe feedback is good reassurance.

Best case scenario is I will type in 16 digits an get a magic bullet, where my world suddenly opens up. The painful alternative is that my struggles are more about technique or talent, both of which are a lot harder to tackle.

Sometimes it's hard to tell if the performance foiling is coming from the gear or the rider.I just came back from a trip up north where 15 foilers we're out on a break, 1 rider on a gofoil going quiet well 2 on same gear going average, 1 on unifoil going very well , 1 big guy who didn't look very fit on Axis going way better than you would think. Then one young fit foiler on an old low aspect Konrad pretty much smashing everyone in every way ,pumping, turning, and linking the most waves. That day the foiler was more important than the gear he was riding. Mind you there was a comment from one of the older guys......If that kid ever gets on a HA foil you'll never stop him.

Totally agree Kobo. You could give anything to a gifted Foiler and they will rip. That is why Insta and pro's are important.
One of the reasons I started this thread was to do what most pro's don't. Make a post from a average joe POV about some awesome new gear to the market. Get people talking and maybe see a few more GF's in the water.

I'm selfish and my budget is gone. Way I figure it is the more people I get on GF locally the more stuff I can borrow and try and increase the stoke.

yeeeeew.

RS800 is needed

Been out in some big ass swell hilly ?

Had Lano pretty solid on the ding. GTS1400 felt controllable but got overwhelmed in steep drops similar to HS1250, still held on just turning compromised. RS1000 was really nice and carvable even in the bigger steeper sections. To tow into bigger stuff I would need a RS800 I feel, but the 1000 will cope ok.

Eppo in years past I have longingly looked at the various tails available for Armstrong and wished GF would follow suit. Having been heavily down the tail shim rabbit warren and then making my own tails - having something as simple as a ft which works amazingly is so refreshing. Just plug and play.

Last week I was playing on the river - you can actually get the whole foil minus a tip out of the water for a very cool looking sliding tack!


Another aspect this translates to with these wings is it's stability in seriously turbulent water - it just isn't bothered by it. Planes can be made more pleasant in turbulence but having a higher wing loading - I suspect the steps allow this foil to achieve a higher wing loading by segmenting the aero foil at the step. Very cool!!

Hilly I hear what you are saying but you will be surprised at the low end of the 650. I don't think you would need bigger, next time the wind is 25 your are taking it.


Jaundesooka - you playing waves or ocean Dw? Waves solid or mushy? More info the better.

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hilly said..

RichJam said..

kobo said..

juandesooka said..

RichJam said..
Jauandesooka I'm sorry to say it but after a season on the NL's the RS leaves it for dead. Massive improvements in every aspect. I totally get where you are coming from but if a foil makes it easier to ride this more fun and you get better at the same time then it's money well spent.

Thanks Rich, that's good info and very helpful. I have felt some frustrating struggles lately in achieving what I want, both in prone pumping and in long effortless wing glides, particularly in comparison to buddies on axis gear. So if the RS moves me along the curve, I don't mind spending the $ as long as I am getting the real deal goods. I just worry that it'll end up "Next Level Repeat"....average Joe feedback is good reassurance.

Best case scenario is I will type in 16 digits an get a magic bullet, where my world suddenly opens up. The painful alternative is that my struggles are more about technique or talent, both of which are a lot harder to tackle.

Sometimes it's hard to tell if the performance foiling is coming from the gear or the rider.I just came back from a trip up north where 15 foilers we're out on a break, 1 rider on a gofoil going quiet well 2 on same gear going average, 1 on unifoil going very well , 1 big guy who didn't look very fit on Axis going way better than you would think. Then one young fit foiler on an old low aspect Konrad pretty much smashing everyone in every way ,pumping, turning, and linking the most waves. That day the foiler was more important than the gear he was riding. Mind you there was a comment from one of the older guys......If that kid ever gets on a HA foil you'll never stop him.

Totally agree Kobo. You could give anything to a gifted Foiler and they will rip. That is why Insta and pro's are important.
One of the reasons I started this thread was to do what most pro's don't. Make a post from a average joe POV about some awesome new gear to the market. Get people talking and maybe see a few more GF's in the water.

I'm selfish and my budget is gone. Way I figure it is the more people I get on GF locally the more stuff I can borrow and try and increase the stoke.

yeeeeew.

RS800 is needed

Get on the GT750 Hilly!

600 will be interesting, super fast at a guess, will take you up on the offer. GT750 might be more my style

How's the GT750 vs NL100? Same surface, just found I'm getting too old for how fast the NL100 reacts winging.

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RichJam said..
Whilst this thread is all about the RS, don't be shy or scared to try the GT's.

GT ... tried buddy's briefly, worked fine, but didn't really notice any wow's compared to NL. However, not an overly comprehensive test, needs more time on water to be sure.

RS ... this thread is enticing me to give it a go. 25% improvement in downwind bump connecting would be well worth it. Though the 1000 vs 1150 question remains ... as Clemop presents a convincing argument, size up seems a safer bet.

Thanks for creating this thread Rich, as the Average Joe POV is super important. Seeing James Casey rip on the RS does me no good, as he also rips on the NL, GL, and OG wings. Making buying decisions based on watching superstar intagrams is a recipe for disappointment.

I have been skunked since getting the GT1250. I did get some a few days ago and agree with your initial impression relative to NL. It's profile matches my NL160 exactly. To me it is an incremental improvement. Feels like it is between the GL and NL. More user friendly and predictable and has better low end lift and a lower stall speed than NL once you take your foot back more (or foil further forward)--I suspect that the AOA matches the GL vs. the NL. To me, it feels a bit slower to react than NL but can be pushed harder and more aggressively into the turns with the tips out. Summary is that there doesn't seem to be a reason to buy a GL or NL with the GT out but if you already own an NL is it worth the move? Hope RS is more game changing.

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How's the GT750 vs NL100? Same surface, just found I'm getting too old for how fast the NL100 reacts winging.

Very similar outline but better pitch control than the NL.

805standup - what tail you rocking?
I haven't used the GT's but having spoken to those that have they second the view that it is a improvement over the NL, more user friendly.
When I had a 1050 I compared it to a 130. The 1050 was refined shape and wider at the tips. The overall shape was similar though.

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Very similar outline but better pitch control than the NL.

805standup - what tail you rocking?
I haven't used the GT's but having spoken to those that have they second the view that it is a improvement over the NL, more user friendly.
When I had a 1050 I compared it to a 130. The 1050 was refined shape and wider at the tips. The overall shape was similar though.

Short pedestal and 13.5" KD tail for me. Haven't tried an FTS.

Thanks for the quick reply. For me the performance of the NL's can be broken down to pre FTS and post FTS.
Pre it was fun but always missing something. Post it was like a new foil. Totally unlocked it's potential. I know of a few crew that were running your tail setup, got the fts and haven't touched the old tail again.

I would imagine you would notice the same on the GT's.

Yep tails are nearly or just as important as front wings hey

So RS for flat water pumping Anyone secretly engaging in this activity?
I have GT1400 and RS1150 on order. Wondering if the 1150 will be a good fit for an inefficient 85kg pumper?
You know, for those days when there are no waves or wind.