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jamieferg said..



Really starting too feel comfortable Foiling.

The Angles you can Sail on it are just RIDICULOUS!

How long till you felt really comfortable sailing it?

Awesome pics Jamie!

Could you give us a little review of the Manta (its on my radar)

- take off speed, wind, sail size, ease of use etc...

Thanks

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Sputnik11 said..

jamieferg said..



Really starting too feel comfortable Foiling.

The Angles you can Sail on it are just RIDICULOUS!

How long till you felt really comfortable sailing it?

Within the first hour i was comfortable, id say.

I Really dont get the negativity towards foils, to me they aren't any more dangerous than normal sailing.

Water starting is straight forward if its windy enough , you just have to be conscious there is a couple fins where there wasn't.

Im getting close to carve gybing it , the hardest part is not trying to sail it like you normally would, it has its own technique then add that to being a couple feet out of the water and the hard part is wrapping you head around that.

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jamieferg said..

Sputnik11 said..

jamieferg said..



Really starting too feel comfortable Foiling.

The Angles you can Sail on it are just RIDICULOUS!

How long till you felt really comfortable sailing it?

Within the first hour i was comfortable, id say.

I Really dont get the negativity towards foils, to me they aren't any more dangerous than normal sailing.

Water starting is straight forward if its windy enough , you just have to be conscious there is a couple fins where there wasn't.

Im getting close to carve gybing it , the hardest part is not trying to sail it like you normally would, it has its own technique then add that to being a couple feet out of the water and the hard part is wrapping you head around that.

Do you have a spacer in your fin box?

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Sputnik11 said..

jamieferg said..

Sputnik11 said..

jamieferg said..



Really starting too feel comfortable Foiling.

The Angles you can Sail on it are just RIDICULOUS!

How long till you felt really comfortable sailing it?

Within the first hour i was comfortable, id say.

I Really dont get the negativity towards foils, to me they aren't any more dangerous than normal sailing.

Water starting is straight forward if its windy enough , you just have to be conscious there is a couple fins where there wasn't.

Im getting close to carve gybing it , the hardest part is not trying to sail it like you normally would, it has its own technique then add that to being a couple feet out of the water and the hard part is wrapping you head around that.

Do you have a spacer in your fin box?

sure do

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jamieferg said..

Sputnik11 said..

jamieferg said..

Sputnik11 said..

jamieferg said..



Really starting too feel comfortable Foiling.

The Angles you can Sail on it are just RIDICULOUS!

How long till you felt really comfortable sailing it?

Within the first hour i was comfortable, id say.

I Really dont get the negativity towards foils, to me they aren't any more dangerous than normal sailing.

Water starting is straight forward if its windy enough , you just have to be conscious there is a couple fins where there wasn't.

Im getting close to carve gybing it , the hardest part is not trying to sail it like you normally would, it has its own technique then add that to being a couple feet out of the water and the hard part is wrapping you head around that.

Do you have a spacer in your fin box?

sure do

Did you buy it or make it?

Sailing kid, keep us updated on the foil . Looks like a cool mission at hand

OK, so I am looking at getting a foiling board and spotted a couple of options but I could do with some feedback on this as they are the same price second hand @ NZ$1500:

2013 Starboard Ultrasonic carbon 147L 240cm x 93.5cm includes 58cm fin and bag. The new 2017 Starboard foil board is based off this model so could be an ideal light wind foil board?

2015 Starboard iSonic carbon 120L 228x80.5cm with no fin or bag. The iSonic gets great reviews and is more compact and would be better in higher winds?

Or look out for a cheaper board to learn on?

Thoughts on what would be the best option size wise is to learn to foil on in light winds say 8-18 knots...

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HENDO 77 said..
Sailing kid, keep us updated on the foil . Looks like a cool mission at hand

Parked the project recently, picked myself up an older JP 144 recently so I'm taking advantage of the wind and daylight hours to get my footstraps and Jibing sorted before I finish off the foil. I did get a nice little power sander that should speed things up once I get back into it (after I move house in the next few weeks).

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Stev0 said..
OK, so I am looking at getting a foiling board and spotted a couple of options but I could do with some feedback on this as they are the same price second hand @ NZ$1500:

2013 Starboard Ultrasonic carbon 147L 240cm x 93.5cm includes 58cm fin and bag. The new 2017 Starboard foil board is based off this model so could be an ideal light wind foil board?

2015 Starboard iSonic carbon 120L 228x80.5cm with no fin or bag. The iSonic gets great reviews and is more compact and would be better in higher winds?

Or look out for a cheaper board to learn on?

Thoughts on what would be the best option size wise is to learn to foil on in light winds say 8-18 knots...

Ultra sonic will be too wide.

Great light wind board tho. If its a good price & condition.

agreed, 80 to 85 cm wide is spot on

I was thinking 80cm was the ideal width from what I have read too, but if you reckon the UltraSonic at 93.5cm is too wide, then why is Starboard launching their 2017 light wind foil board with the same width?...

Foiling in light winds is a new sport for me as have never foiled or sailed a big slalom board, as I am a hardcore wave sailor at heart, but I was thinking of getting the 2013 UltraSonic which is going to be as close as I can get to Starboard's 2017 dedicated foil board in terms of dimensions...

gallery2.star-board.com/share_gallery/catalog/starboard/2017_Starboard_Catalog.pdf

you cant knock it , till you have tried it . so much fun foiling

Good on you Jamie, Im keen for a go and have a NP foil on order!!!

95 is quite extreme, I use a 85 and that's plenty enough( 95 kg)
I suppose starboard has designed that board for ultra light wind with their long mast

masts of 100 cm and fuselage 115 ??
WW

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lotofwind said..
Windsurfing has finally progressed, THE FUTURE OF WINDSURFING IS NOW HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done guys, good to see you guys trying new things and not just getting bogged down in the same old same old. This new enthusiasm and progression might get the younger guys interested again and bring back the fast decreasing numbers in polers,,,,, maybe??
Or will it be like adding bluetooth to a commodore 64?? Time will tell. Good luck.

Newsflash

Foiling has been around in windsurfing for 2-3 decades. It was experimented with back in the 80's, and been baffled with ever since. It's just become more trendy this time, and most possiblely more user friendly and efficient.

Really getting comfortable with the foil now, understanding how it behaves and how to control it.

I Adjusted the wings (the front and rear elevator)to a pretty Flat angle and man it has changed it dramatically.
It feels a whole lot more Balanced now which will make Gybing the thing so much easier than i previously had been using it.

Hey Jamieferg,
Good progress, nice photos!
I have a TWF Manta also and am slowly getting better. I'm keen to see what you have done with the foil angles, mentioned above. Any chance of posting a photo?
Thanks....

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bushfire said..
Hey Jamieferg,
Good progress, nice photos!
I have a TWF Manta also and am slowly getting better. I'm keen to see what you have done with the foil angles, mentioned above. Any chance of posting a photo?
Thanks....

cheers, yeah will do tonight.
my thinking is to have, maybe 3 different sets of packers for different conditions.
Also i was thinking i might start testing how the foil goes removing the small Vertical Stabilisers fin.

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bushfire said..
Hey Jamieferg,
Good progress, nice photos!
I have a TWF Manta also and am slowly getting better. I'm keen to see what you have done with the foil angles, mentioned above. Any chance of posting a photo?
Thanks....

This is the Initial angle of the Rear elevator ( rear stabiliser wing )

Looking back it was producing FAR too much lift.

I had the mast base as far forward as possible. and couldn't get my weight to far back as it would pitch and "take off" , then the Foil would break the surface and you would drop 3 feet. (Still doing the same speed mind you !!) Sort of fun but a touch disconcerting too.




I didn't want to touch the packer just yet so i made some smaller packers out of and old plastic card (eg debit card).
Changing the angle had to effect the handling. Right?





i made a few of them and tried out a single, double and triple packer over a couple weekends.



It Definitely made a improvement in handling and keeping a constant pitch level. less corrections as i was getting it more balanced.

You have too keep in mind that this is specific to the board im using.

AHD SL2 132 litre (233 x 79.5)

And Specific to the placement of the fin box. This board was never meant to run a Foil and in my opinion its defiantly far too aft hence the adjustment process ive been doing.

I had Improved it a hell of a lot but still felt there was room to go further.
I still wasn't sailing with both feet in the straps and felt far more comfortable sailing unhooked.

same here, fitted a 2 mm rubber washer upon advice from benjamin Tillier, what a difference !!!!

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seanhogan said..
same here, fitted a 2 mm rubber washer upon advice from benjamin Tillier, what a difference !!!!

My Foil partner, some spare packers sent and made a few so that the Front and rear wing angle is zero. Flat.



I made a few so that the Front and rear wing angle is zero. Flat.





Hand Sanded and faired up , i got to use them last week and they changed the game !!!! it was super balenced and i could easily sail in both front and rear footstraps.

Remember this only applicable to my board im using.

We have setup a Facebook Hydrofoiling page AUSTRALIAN FOILERS

link is below-
www.facebook.com/groups/1377152212346239/



A group resource aimed at the progression and collective innovation of Hydrofoiling in the southern hemisphere.

Based in Sydney , Australia we aim share news , share photos , videos from around the world.

WindFoil , KiteFoil , Cat, Moth (Mono Hull), Waszp


More than welcome to join it everyone

Excellent work Jamie. I will change the stabiliser angle today based on what you and Sean have done. Thanks for the info.

I have just ordered the Neil Pryde Ali foil and hopefully it arrives in April. I was looking at a few different brands but thought NP are the biggest company in production right now and that they should have the production facilities to ramp up compared to small boutique brands from France.

I am looking at a RRD X-Fire V3 (2011) 122L 225cm x 79cm which has the right dimensions for a foil board but thinking about how to make a spacer in the fin box to fill the gap between the top of the foil head and rest of the fin box? I have seen the wooden ones and want to know how these were made and how do you get the right size? (I am a bit technically challenged with woodwork!)

I read somewhere about drilling two holes in the deck of the board between the tuttle bolts and pouring epoxy micro balloons or something into the void while the foil is in the box to make a spacer while using straws to make the hole for the fin/foil screws to go into?

What other solutions are out there?....

Hi Stev0,

I'm the one that did both, was quite hapy with the wooden spacer, but a tad hard to make and after a few sessions I noticed it was starting to break in small bits....

So I opted for the resin+micro Balllons, works a treat and you don't have to think about it anymore.
I think the NP will be in "real " deep tuttle so not too much filling required.

Some brands (horue/kerfoil/manta) have a little tab (or insert for it) at the front to prevent it from going up.

The easy way, use the head of an old finn.