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Sputnik11
Sputnik11

VIC

972 posts

3 Sep 2016 9:45pm
Anyone got one yet?
Parked
Parked

NSW

169 posts

3 Sep 2016 10:00pm
On order and on it's way

http://www.thekitefoil.com/#!manta-2-2016/frb72
hoop
hoop

1979 posts

3 Sep 2016 8:04pm
Got one on the way
snides8
snides8

WA

1731 posts

3 Sep 2016 9:34pm




There's a few here in Perth- 3 that I know off and a few coming...
me and scarrgo a couple of months ago on my first attempt, scarrgo on the red below..








seanhogan
seanhogan

QLD

3424 posts

4 Sep 2016 8:24am
got mine a week ago


been howling since.....


something neat is coming up for the end of the year.

hard to explain with my poor english : imagine a very small windsurf (1.30/1.40 m traditionnal build) board with an inflatable contour being added

Foots straps, mast track and tuttle or /deep tuttle box (all in the rigid part) to attach a normal fin or a foil.


And there you have it, a SUP/windsurf semi inflatable foiling board that can also be used as a classic windsurf or sup (ideal for beginners)
definitely would make travelling easier too !




seanhogan
seanhogan

QLD

3424 posts

4 Sep 2016 12:39pm
couldn't get the foil in the water cause it was too windy, but all my mates were asking to see it, so I made a quick "unveiling" video for them :

hardie
hardie

WA

4129 posts

4 Sep 2016 10:47am
The music and unzipping, made me reach for the lubricant oil
kato
kato

VIC

3513 posts

4 Sep 2016 1:06pm
I hope protection was used in the making of the Vid
Vince68
Vince68

WA

675 posts

4 Sep 2016 4:51pm
Wow foils have come a long way. Very different now than they were in my day. Only $20 and would only last the weekend
MarcCRider
MarcCRider

61 posts

4 Sep 2016 10:12pm
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seanhogan said..
got mine a week ago


been howling since.....


something neat is coming up for the end of the year.

hard to explain with my poor english : imagine a very small windsurf (1.30/1.40 m traditionnal build) board with an inflatable contour being added

Foots straps, mast track and tuttle or /deep tuttle box (all in the rigid part) to attach a normal fin or a foil.


And there you have it, a SUP/windsurf semi inflatable foiling board that can also be used as a classic windsurf or sup (ideal for beginners)
definitely would make travelling easier too !





Semi inflatable seems the way to go.
Pair this foil combo with a decent performance foldable rig like RRD's

http://www.robertoriccidesigns.com/equipment/shop/airwindsurf-rig-mk1/

and it may change our approach to lightwind windsurfing for real!

(action footage of the foldable rig can be seen in some shoots in the video for the planing inflatable
www.robertoriccidesigns.com/equipment/shop/airwindsurf-freeride/)
joe windsurf
joe windsurf

1482 posts

5 Sep 2016 1:52am
know this post was about foiling, but you had to mention the RRD airwindsurf
what i find odd is that it is rated as 4.5 to 7.5 when it is 150 litres and 80 cm wide
that's 8.5 sail boarding for me - cannot support @ mast base ??

cannot imagine how "board" could support a foil either
seanhogan
seanhogan

QLD

3424 posts

5 Sep 2016 6:32am
I don't see any mention of the airwindsurf in his post, he's just saying that a foldable rig would be a good combo for light wind (and to travel I might add)
joe windsurf
joe windsurf

1482 posts

5 Sep 2016 7:02am
it is the link and KNEW i should let it slide
my humble apologies
Sputnik11
Sputnik11

VIC

972 posts

6 Sep 2016 7:58am
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snides8 said..




There's a few here in Perth- 3 that I know off and a few coming...
me and scarrgo a couple of months ago on my first attempt, scarrgo on the red below..









First attempt? So how would you rate it? Was It worth it? And what did you buy, the prize variance is really high.
snides8
snides8

WA

1731 posts

6 Sep 2016 6:42pm
How would i rate it? - Great fun,difficult ...exciting heart in the mouth stuff when you are fully clear of the water, quiet,eerie and smooth...
Was it worth it?- absolutely! The difficulty is part of the attraction....
what did i buy?- horue Vini light wind and cruise wings

The learning curve at the moment is slight- winter here is inconsistent at best... had a good 'flight' today tried a few things, found mast foot forward really helped stability and allowed me more time to control trim via sheeting pressure.
The seabreezes here will start to slowly trickle in by the end of the month and hopefully more water time and more consistent wind will see the learning curve steepen.
seanhogan
seanhogan

QLD

3424 posts

7 Sep 2016 6:08am
first attempt with my new foil yesterday (I'd previously demoed a taroa)

Bought a Manta 2 by "thewindfoil"

Had sourced an old hypersonic 111l, which everyone agrees is a great board for foiling.
Except the fin box had been modified by PO, so on the first flight the foil just ripped it open.....

Nevermind, went back to the beach where I borrowed an even older Thommen Dunckerbeck edition

back on the water and managed to fly 100m by 100m.

Impressions :
exhausting, all muscles on alert
bloody scary, you brain keeps sending panic alerts
soooo exciting !
so different : no noise at all, no chop

No regrets on the buy !

Advice : booties/leggings/impact vest and maybe helmet for the first few sessions
seanhogan
seanhogan

QLD

3424 posts

7 Sep 2016 7:25am
Roo
Roo

Roo

878 posts

7 Sep 2016 6:03am
I'd like to welcome the new boys to the RAF, it's a hell of a ride and pretty exciting. Your first solo results in lots of bruises and cuts but it's so much fun, wait until you start trying fully flying jibes! Lots of tips here: www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/WindFoil-flight-schoolRoo-style/
seanhogan
seanhogan

QLD

3424 posts

7 Sep 2016 8:32am
thanks Roo, I'd already read you topic like three times !!
Roo
Roo

Roo

878 posts

7 Sep 2016 6:39am
Figured you probably had Sean. The first time you get up on the foil is like the first time you planed on a windsurfer, you just want more and more.

Roo
seanhogan
seanhogan

QLD

3424 posts

7 Sep 2016 8:41am
I'm waiting for my brain to settle in and accept the fact that this is not windsurfing.

For the moment it's sending all the wrong messages !!!
Mr Milk
Mr Milk

NSW

3120 posts

7 Sep 2016 9:47am
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snides8 said..
How would i rate it? - Great fun,difficult ...exciting heart in the mouth stuff when you are fully clear of the water, quiet,eerie and smooth...
Was it worth it?- absolutely! The difficulty is part of the attraction....



So you call it difficult. What level of windsurfer are you? Is that you in your avatar?
Difficult for you might mean nigh on impossible for your average BAF flat water sailor
DunkO
DunkO

NSW

1147 posts

7 Sep 2016 11:04am
These are scary times to be a snorkeller
snides8
snides8

WA

1731 posts

7 Sep 2016 9:23am
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Mr Milk said..

snides8 said..
How would i rate it? - Great fun,difficult ...exciting heart in the mouth stuff when you are fully clear of the water, quiet,eerie and smooth...
Was it worth it?- absolutely! The difficulty is part of the attraction....




So you call it difficult. What level of windsurfer are you? Is that you in your avatar?
Difficult for you might mean nigh on impossible for your average BAF flat water sailor


Very good question!
that is me in my avatar from quite a few years ago..
i would describe myself as proficient to advanced.
i am in my early fiftys and not all that fit..
i would say if you can plane,water start, gybe then you have the skills to get foiling.
its not hard to get up on the foil, it's just hard to maintain constant level flight.
i have foiled 6 times now in patchy light winds with a 5.6 wave sail so quite a bit under powered.
there is a fair bt of tuning to get the set up right- mast foot posistion,correct sail size then the rear wing
or stabiliser has pitch adjustments as well to tinker with.
As roo mentions the foiling gybe is the tricky bit, I recon I am a couple of sessions off that yet.
As for bruises and bumps I have been lucky, no crashes other than a fall on a slow gybe and hitting a sand bank at slow speed.
i have had a dozen windward nose dive landings,but none have thrown me off yet, the board I have is the tiny 110 and it haves
a lot of area and volume in the nose thus allowing me to survive, as it just pops up like a cork.

Sorry about the lack of caps!
greenleader
greenleader

QLD

5283 posts

7 Sep 2016 11:45am
First time for me yesterday, a real mind bender!

JonesySail
JonesySail

QLD

1120 posts

7 Sep 2016 3:00pm
Hey GL, Foil plugged into an Atom? That'd make it an 'atomfoil' what did you use...didn't think there was any that suited Power Box's?
greenleader
greenleader

QLD

5283 posts

7 Sep 2016 3:24pm
There is when you make your own powerbox adapter for a kite foil in your workshop!

JonesySail
JonesySail

QLD

1120 posts

7 Sep 2016 4:16pm
Ahh clever ! Is that even an Atom? And is that the Sling Shot Foil system (3 lengths) ... Can you make me an adaptor that at I can use the foil on both my Atom and my Kiteboard? in fact why stop there..I'll plug the thing into my SUP and give it a crack also! A Multipurpose foil, marketing genius!

keen to hear from anyone that's tried foiling on both Kite and Windsurf ...I'm thinking the Windsurf version has to be easier than kite, I'm having visions of me getting lifted on the kite as the board flips over exposing the foil !

Was that your first go GL or have you been in secret training on a remote foil Island off the coast of 'foilmauihawai' land?
Sputnik11
Sputnik11

VIC

972 posts

7 Sep 2016 6:58pm
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seanhogan said..
first attempt with my new foil yesterday (I'd previously demoed a taroa)

Bought a Manta 2 by "thewindfoil"

Had sourced an old hypersonic 111l, which everyone agrees is a great board for foiling.
Except the fin box had been modified by PO, so on the first flight the foil just ripped it open.....

Nevermind, went back to the beach where I borrowed an even older Thommen Dunckerbeck edition

back on the water and managed to fly 100m by 100m.

Impressions :
exhausting, all muscles on alert
bloody scary, you brain keeps sending panic alerts
soooo exciting !
so different : no noise at all, no chop

No regrets on the buy !

Advice : booties/leggings/impact vest and maybe helmet for the first few sessions


The Manta 2 is about 1K US / 1300 AUD versus the Horue which looks like about 2300 AUD. Does this sound right?
seanhogan
seanhogan

QLD

3424 posts

7 Sep 2016 7:17pm
yes 1115 usd if you buy the covers and extra tefgel syringe

The mast and fuselage are made of alloy, hence the price difference (though not sure if carbon justifies such a price difference)
Sputnik11
Sputnik11

VIC

972 posts

7 Sep 2016 7:32pm
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seanhogan said..
yes 1115 usd if you buy the covers and extra tefgel syringe

The mast and fuselage are made of alloy, hence the price difference (though not sure if carbon justifies such a price difference)


Will be interested in the durability. I think 1115 is much more palatable than 2300. I could happily do that. Suppose it depends if I would be replacing it in 1 or 2 years though.
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