I discovered the other day there's a windfoil category on KA72. Its right at the bottom of the list of options
I reckon there's a few foilers not aware of it looking at their tracks. It superimposes a "F" on the windsurfing icon

http://www.star-board-windsurfing.com/2018/boards/2018-foil-boards/

a new 122 foil board from *board

Great Video. Tiesda can explain it much better than I can. Had an epic session today and now have got severe case Foil Flashback Brain. Driving home in stop start traffic I'm sure I was coming on and off the foil the whole way home. As I said, hard to explain...but feels nice.

Such a satisfying feeling washing the foil down on the back grass and the end of an epic session, hose in one hand, beer in the other.

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seanhogan said..
For heavier guys and lighter winds the manta could be a good cheap option, mate of mine has ordered the 2018 model.
announced with reinforced mast and possibility to fit the "easyflight" extra wide wing
loaded with plenty of smart options (adjustable stab/mast plate/welded mast head/carry case)

Should be here in a week or so.

I have the 2016 which had really early take off but soft mast (flexy in flight), the 2017 was slightly better strength wise (still saw some heavy guys bend it) and faster.
I inserted carbon rods in mine and it's holding my weight without bending :-)

Will do small report when it's here.

www.mantafoils.com/e-shop/Manta-mono-Windfoil-p87568129

Hi Sean,

Really keen to here an update on this one if you can? Have you tried this?

Thanks.

Just a tip from the picture above, my foils are carbon painted with high end, white marine urethane paint. They're sanded back to make them smooth and give that racy "brushed carbon" look.

The claimed advantage of the painted foil is that the paint protects against UV. The real benefit is that for maintenance a quick spray of cheap white paint gives a nice surface that can be easily sanded. Chips and scratches can be filled with paint. Bigger ones repaired with a little epoxy paste or Araldite.

I have owned aluminium foils in the past. Carbon wins hands down for convenience and and easy maintenance.

So the tip for the picture is???
maybe repairing stone chips from using the foil as an aerodynamic aid for the mustang???

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RAL INN said..
So the tip for the picture is???
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White painted wings. A little more resilient to wear and tear. Easier to maintain and repair.

the wings in the pic are painted prepreg fiberglass not carbon

Hello,
For the next season i'd like to get into foiling and looking for some advice to get started.
Last year I picked up windsurfing again after 10 years. Bought a Formula board for light wind but i find it too physical and can't enjoy gybing it ;).

I am looking to buy a new board that is for light wind and for foil, the Neilpryde RS:One convertible seems to tick both boxes and i have read some good reviews on a french website. Found some remarks on sites that are pretty positive and the price is much lower than other foil ready boards.

Is there anyone here that uses/tested the board? With the matching foil? Is it nice to sail like a freerace?

Planning to use it with a 8.6 Gun Sails Sunray (2 cam from 2017) for light wind surfing and for foiling some older sails: NP VX2 6,7 (4 cam) NP Expression 6,7 & 5,7 Freeride.

Thanks!
Robert

So whats thet fastest any one has gotten on one of these and what restricts the top speed?

as far as I'm concerned it's FEAR

pwa riders are getting close to 30 knts

Here are some gear porn shots of foils from the inaugural formula and foiling race at Ramsgate beach in early October 2017!

Slingshot, Neil Pryde and Naish (kiting high aspect model, windfoil below...)




























And some boards too...

What is the effect of weed on a foil?

On the mast you don't really notice it much as it's usually at the top hence out of the water. If it gets on the foils though, same as a fin, feels draggy and depending on how big/how much you eventually will not foil. Most of the time it's also on the front foil so you'll notice a loss of lift compared to usual, balance will be off due to the flow/inefficiencies around the weed etc.

Makes it even trippier.

Maybe one day a weed foil will be made for those weedy days

Quiuck question has anyone had any experience with the Manta 2018 foils ??. Did see the Manta mono easy flight in the pics from the demo day at Botany Bay,

If you get one, treat yourself with the long fuselage, unreal stability and upwind ability
Easy flight wing is great for really light winds (under 12 knts)
all in all a great piece of equipment

Thanks for the update Sean, can you let me know what board and size sail you have been using it with?.how would you say it compares to the NP alloy, ? Earlier to get planing

definitely earlier on the plane, I'm 90+kg and the NP will only get me going over 12 knts of consistent wind while the manta starts foiling around 10 with normal wing and around 8 with the easy flight wing

Finish is much better on the Manta, and great bonus it doesn't whistle like the NP !!

I use the manta on a 217*93 formula kids with 7.0 ncx or 7.8 Overdrive, still got to test it with my new 8.6 OD ! Should be awesome in very light wind !

Great, thanks for the info

Sean, are you using the long or the short mast. What is the application for short vs long?

Using the long mast, can't see a long term use of the short mast, my appreciation is that it would only help while learning.

And even then, I prefer the longer mast that let's you correct your position/altitude before touching down

The NP alloy mast is shorter, I don't really enjoy it in choppy anse vata

I have a question regarding technique..
I'm back on the NP alloy foil after a six week shoulder injury.
I was still windsurfing on flat water taking it easy on the shoulder.
Yesterday I was Foiling in marginal conditions on an old Thommen xxl 80 wide and 7.0 Ezzy freeride and no spacer on the rear wing.
My question is what is the sail technique and weight control you experienced foilers use to control attitude whilst foiling, is it constant mast foot pressure and variable body weight movement or is it variable mast foot pressure via letting the sail off and on to control pitch with less body weight movement?
I find the mast foot pressure counter intuitive as there's a natural tendency to let the sail off if the nose starts to climb and body weight won't always stop it breaching.
Do you ALWAYS foil both feet in the straps?
utube videos seem to show two different techniques the more experienced foilers favouring a hooked in locked in stance with a raked back sail.
Any help would be appreciated as it's not like I can go to a local foil clinic and get myself sorted...

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waricle said..
I have a question regarding technique..
I'm back on the NP alloy foil after a six week shoulder injury.
I was still windsurfing on flat water taking it easy on the shoulder.
Yesterday I was Foiling in marginal conditions on an old Thommen xxl 80 wide and 7.0 Ezzy freeride and no spacer on the rear wing.
My question is what is the sail technique and weight control you experienced foilers use to control attitude whilst foiling, is it constant mast foot pressure and variable body weight movement or is it variable mast foot pressure via letting the sail off and on to control pitch with less body weight movement?
I find the mast foot pressure counter intuitive as there's a natural tendency to let the sail off if the nose starts to climb and body weight won't always stop it breaching.
Do you ALWAYS foil both feet in the straps?
utube videos seem to show two different techniques the more experienced foilers favouring a hooked in locked in stance with a raked back sail.
Any help would be appreciated as it's not like I can go to a local foil clinic and get myself sorted...

The learning stage is where l'm at.l use the Naish thrust foil on the hover.what l have worked out is l don't use the rear straps at all.l find there's a balance point in the middle for my back foot. This seams to counterweight everything when foiling .you can control the breaching & pearling when your foil starts getting Airbourne. l find your toes do a lot of trimming .it helps not to make big sudden movements with the sail or your feet.like you say there's no foiling clinics everyone will have there own technique for there chosen setup.

First session on a Naish Thrust foil with the 70cm mast. I have had one previous go at foiling using a high-performance kite foil ( thanks Marvin Baumeister from KFA!) on a slalom board- huge fun, got up a little bit and got me keen to foil but it was very "knife edge", probably as this was a high performance bit of kit that was way ahead of my skills. I've just bought a Naish Thrust foil ( thanks to Simon from Board Crazy for great advice and a great deal) thinking it looks forgiving..and session 1 would suggest that is very much the case. Really quick to get up flying, very controllable and just SO much fun. Gets going in not much wind, and I was surprised that when I wanted to play safe I could keep the board moving reasonably quickly while keeping the hull down on the water when I needed to, and that flying just off the water is feasible as well as getting fully flying, which is good if you're a chook like me, and reassuring that it'll always be feasible to limp home if needed. Now super keen to get out again! The "out of the water, silent sailing" feel is a revelation. Happy, muscle-sore, stoked!

its addictive that's for sure

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waricle said..
I have a question regarding technique..
I'm back on the NP alloy foil after a six week shoulder injury.
I was still windsurfing on flat water taking it easy on the shoulder.
Yesterday I was Foiling in marginal conditions on an old Thommen xxl 80 wide and 7.0 Ezzy freeride and no spacer on the rear wing.
My question is what is the sail technique and weight control you experienced foilers use to control attitude whilst foiling, is it constant mast foot pressure and variable body weight movement or is it variable mast foot pressure via letting the sail off and on to control pitch with less body weight movement?
I find the mast foot pressure counter intuitive as there's a natural tendency to let the sail off if the nose starts to climb and body weight won't always stop it breaching.
Do you ALWAYS foil both feet in the straps?
utube videos seem to show two different techniques the more experienced foilers favouring a hooked in locked in stance with a raked back sail.
Any help would be appreciated as it's not like I can go to a local foil clinic and get myself sorted...

Hi Waricle

Ive been using the NP AL for couple of months. I started the rear wing in neutral then gave it a washer for more lift. I took the washer out on a windy day and did not like how much work it took. decided to now leave it in all the time now.

Yes I have always used both straps, I personally see no benefit in using front strap only when learning!

Windsurf your board normally, when you see a gust, pump sail and get in straps. In the video you will see half the time I don't even hook in.

Hands closer together on boom than normal, Find center draft of the sail and use mast foot pressure in micro adjustments. No erratic movement!
Pressure on front foot more.

if you Foil up where it starts to get squirely, try and bear off a touch (got to have quick reactions though).

Board 225 x 79
sail 6.4
I'm around 88kg