Looks like the market is going to be competitive in 2017. Neil Pryde about to enter the fray. Last season I think the only options were full carbon, only available OS and about $2400. Aluminum coming now for about $1100.

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azymuth said..
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Thanks - but what about the foil mast, surely even worse than a big upright fin in weed?

But not the same effect as weed on a fin

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azymuth said..

scarrgo said..


Yep no issues with jellies for me either and also have had some sessions here in the swan river where there has been a bit of weed around, and yes I certainly did have to clear the foils on occasion but the small bits of weed definitely didn't make me crash

Sean, how do you reckon the foil would go at Safety Bay or South Freo where the weed is really bad?

JJ

Well safety bay may be a bit more frustrating with the weed but I could see south freo working ok most of the year, doesn't seem to bother the foil much by grabing a couple of strands of weed on the mast and yes it does seem uncommon to get any weed on the wings other than launching, so yes I think that so long as you avoid any big clumps you could sail at either but I would think south beach would be better

Testrun, JP Hydrofoil and NP alufoil

NP Flight sail on the NP site now.

JP Foil Boards on their site too.

No mention of the foil tho. Reinforced box and can be used as a normal board.

I ordered the NP Alu foil and was expecting it in May but just found out that NP have pushed my delivery date out to June which is a bummer as I am amping to foil. Maybe NP are struggling to keep up with demand?...

If anyone wants to buy my Foil Kit seen earlier in this topic, including the remainder of the roll of fibreglass (probably a few metres) I'm moving houses this weekend and need it gone unfortunately. First offer over $300 gets it! From memory some bits are fully glassed, I think I was on the last few layers of the mast then it just needs to be stuck together.

Prefer local (Melbourne) pickup but if could help co-ordinate postage if required.

Would like to ASK those of you out there that are already foiling, which board would be More suitable for Wind foiling: starboard hypersonic 111l 2005 dram or a 2010 starboard hwr formula.?

I am looking at foils i can use with out having to install a completely New tuttle box. AS these both boards have their tuttle box relatively forward i See that they are already commonly used for foiling? Especially the hypersonic. But i came to read various oppinions whether the hypersonic is a suitable board for Wind foiling or now.(too much pressure on the back foot, etc.) ?
So may be those of you that have tried the hypersonic Wind foiling can give some advice. Also i thing that the foils used would make a big difference. The French for example have tested it with a ketos foil and were not very happy.

https://www.windsurf.boutique/actus/comparatifs-windfoils.html

Hovever there are Videos out there showing a DS -1 windfoil where the board tends to be perfectly stabla at longitudinal and transverse axis.


So which foils worked Best for this board? Horue, Manta, ketos, kerfoil, f4, Neil pryde flight Aluminium?( i am favoring this one for now due to its price)


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Then however especially in the united States a lot of people use formula boards with f4 foils and smaller sails to foiling. Apparently gives then More top End speed and better Angels but looking at those Videos their lever action seems to be Almosed too much AS the boards are probably even too wide and become unstable especially when picking up Wind from underneath.

But maybe not Bad for the beginning. Not AS a solution to replace the Formular altogether but instead to give it even More lowwind capabilities.?

Thus maybe some advice from those of you that have already used foils with Formular boards. ( also have u reinforced the boards? They do have Quite strong tuttle boxes already for the Formular fins i assume but not sure that s Quite enough for a windfoil?)
The torsion of the foil seems to create huge winding motions on the box.

My goal is to find an Entry into foiling possibly with out having to buy a New board ( although the Neil pryde rs: convertible got me thinking about selling formula and Slalom altogether and go for this all in one board. But then it s really just at the beginning. No idea how good it s really going to be -although it looks very stable)
And it s also very pricy (around 4000 Euro in the carbon Version with foil f4)

Therefore i d like to use one of my existing boards already with a convertible foil Option , not having to do too much Modifications for now.

Thanks.

Interesting questions. I have struggled with the same dilemma as I have my NP Alu foil on order but needed a board and wanted a cheap 80cm wide slalom or a Formula board. I got a lot of feedback from foilers and both board options have their merits. I settled on getting a 125L Carbon Art slalom board that is 80cm wide. I am glad I did as I have never sailed such a wide board before and it is taking some adjustment to get used to it before my foil arrives. For me a Formula board at 100cm wide would be too weird to sail and I hear that Formula boards are designed for upwind and downwind reaches rather than beam or broad reaches. I can sail the slalom board in windsurf mode while I doubt I would choose to sail a Formula board for fun without a foil.

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bensen said..

How does the JP perform as a windsurfer.
If we are to consider one board to do both the where does it sit in the JP line up?
Slalom Supersport Foil Excite etc
or
Sl, Foil , SS , excite etc

What are the differences between a Slalom board and a Foil?
e.g. Reinforced fin box, deep tuttle, what else?

cheers Dave

It seems 80cm wide boards are the recommended width but will that vary depending on personal weight? I'm 65kgs and hope to use a futura 111 69.5 wide board with a foil. Is that realistic?

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baywavebill said..
It seems 80cm wide boards are the recommended width but will that vary depending on personal weight? I'm 65kgs and hope to use a futura 111 69.5 wide board with a foil. Is that realistic?

the width is useful for the added leverage against the foil. A narrower board may be counter productive if you are a lightweight.

Will the Futura take the foil with deep tuttle?

My observations and questions. I have been riding kite foil boards for a while now and have just ordered a windsurf foil board.What I am having trouble understanding is why are people using such wide boards with straps on the rails for. Kiters have gone from race boards to smaller size foil boards and are still getting going in less wind. Big boards and foils to me just don,t seem right. Moths have also decreased in size since foiling took over. The kite boards are also narrow so they can lean over on a larger angle.Windsurfers seem to be sailing with the board quite upright and I hear comments about wider boards to get more leverage on the foil. Is this just a legacy from people riding big boards with big fins that use rear foot pressure to drive off the fin. Can't you just lean the board over and drive off the foil like kites and moths do. If its anything like kite foiling driving of the back foot would be counter productive because as you go faster and get more lift you require more front foot pressure.
Just putting it out there for comment but I will probably be able to answer the questions my self soon.
Cheers John

I've been foiling for years loosers

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Johno said..
My observations and questions. I have been riding kite foil boards for a while now and have just ordered a windsurf foil board.What I am having trouble understanding is why are people using such wide boards with straps on the rails for. Kiters have gone from race boards to smaller size foil boards and are still getting going in less wind. Big boards and foils to me just don,t seem right. Moths have also decreased in size since foiling took over. The kite boards are also narrow so they can lean over on a larger angle.Windsurfers seem to be sailing with the board quite upright and I hear comments about wider boards to get more leverage on the foil. Is this just a legacy from people riding big boards with big fins that use rear foot pressure to drive off the fin. Can't you just lean the board over and drive off the foil like kites and moths do. If its anything like kite foiling driving of the back foot would be counter productive because as you go faster and get more lift you require more front foot pressure.
Just putting it out there for comment but I will probably be able to answer the questions my self soon.
Cheers John

The way the physics works for kites is completely different because there is no sail attached to the board
The sail makes it very difficult to get alot of windward lean and the narrower the board the less leverage you have to counteract the sail
Btw moths are as wide as they are alowed, their wings that is are as wide as possible to get as much leverage as they can, similar to windfoilers

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The sail makes it very difficult to get alot of windward lean and the narrower the board the less leverage you have to counteract the sail

I have no problems railing my boards over in 30+ knots and fully powered, actually it is easier to do on a narrow board (although a freewave with not much fin might be why this can be achieved). I understand the dynamics are different but a kite race board acts very much like a formula or large finned slalom board but add a foil to the kite board and it can be leant over. A kite surf board acts like a windsurf wave board. There actually does not seem to be much difference to the way the boards act so its hard for me to understand that adding a foil to a windsurfer it is going to be different than a kite board.
Thanks for the reply scarrgo. I guess i will learn from my mistakes. Can't wait. Love learning new things. Cheers

4 to 8 knots!

8 knots ride with mantafoils carbon board and alu foil

Interesting to see some guys are hanging quite far out especially when compared to other pictures with foilers standing upright, close to the boom and using short harness lines..there must be a fair bit of lateral pull from the sail and resistance from the foil. Are these guys using high speed foils?

they are using neil pryde rsx foils+boards

The difference is not so much the foil but the talent, 1st pic is Nathan Doom 2017 ifca world champion and second is Np/elix/taroa developer Benjamin Tillier

Session #3. Getting the hang of this foiling thing. What a rush.

A small question for the brains trust.
I have a 6.7 Hellcat which I plan to use for foiling. What wind range would be best for this sail?
Is there any benefit in say a 7.7 hornet? Is there only a few knots in it or a big difference?
I have the JP 135 hydrofoil board and the NP aluminium foil.
thanks in advance.

I've got a 6.7 fusion which I use in 10-14knots.

It's going to do your head in trying to figure out sail sizing,

If you rig to get going then you'll wish you'd brought a Stanley knife to knock out a couple of panels when up on the foil

Best bet is to try what you've got, dig out ye olde wind meter, cause you're gunna think it's pointless going out.

Make sure you have an appalling rope attached

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elmo said..

Make sure you have an appalling rope attached

Thanks Elmo. What's so appalling about your rope?

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westozwind said..
A small question for the brains trust.
I have a 6.7 Hellcat which I plan to use for foiling. What wind range would be best for this sail?
Is there any benefit in say a 7.7 hornet? Is there only a few knots in it or a big difference?
I have the JP 135 hydrofoil board and the NP aluminium foil.
thanks in advance.

Well depends what your doing really
If you're learning to foil I wouldn't recommend going outside of the 5.5 to 6.7 range this seems to give the best control and comfort, however it does seem that at this stage for a little more low end performance 7.8 is not a bad area
Imho the range that I could get from a 7.8 on the foil would be so small I don't think I'd bother but this is just me and I am very light

I've used a 5.5 and 6.6. The wind hasn't been great on any session yet. I feel more in control when powered up a bit than when its really light. Get used to sheeting out. Test and learn. You'll do a lot of that, which is why it's so much fun.

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elmo said..

Make sure you have an appalling rope attached

Thanks Elmo. What's so appalling about your rope?

It's afraid at the end

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westozwind said..
A small question for the brains trust.
I have a 6.7 Hellcat which I plan to use for foiling. What wind range would be best for this sail?
Is there any benefit in say a 7.7 hornet? Is there only a few knots in it or a big difference?
I have the JP 135 hydrofoil board and the NP aluminium foil.
thanks in advance.

The 6.7 hornet (twin Cam)is my go to for 8-15, 12-16 i will use a 5.7 hellcat..I am also using a 7.7 hornet for winds under 10knots...the better you get the bigger the sail I think..
i have been testing out the Convertible one design rig which is a 7.8 3 cam..this would seem pretty big
how ever sliding the mast base forward has helped stabilize the trim when flying, and even though it's a handful I have had It out in 16kn plus.
for gybing I would use sails with less cams for sure until the gybes are sorted...