Looking good CoreAS!
Ill try the washer again. Thanks for the reply. Not many videos show more than a few continuous seconds of a clip on the foil so it's difficult to analyze technique. Ill need to shorten harness lines for a more upright stance.
Not practice needed.....

That was supposed to say more practice needed.....

make sure you bring it to port macquarie when you come , you can also try the naish hover and foil , so easy to use

Today's adventure doh!
The old hit the sand bank trick!

Bad luck Strop - quite a mess.
If that happens to me I'm going to ask Adam (Man Overboard) to install twin US boxes. I reckon it will be stronger and have fore/aft adjustment.

The AC boats are also converging on the T foil solution. The independently canted foil is a good idea. If the foil is fixed, as on a windsurfing T foiler, canting is limited by how much you can lower the windward rail. Ideally all lift generated underwater would be from the one foil. You don't really want to use the mast to generate lateral force. Two foils operating at 90 degrees is not the best way to do it. How much lateral force is generated by the underwater mast when windsurf foiling? Can you cant the board far enough that it is zero?

Its Sunday. Hoping for about 12kts. Funny, last year I would have hoped for 25kts.........

Just got a Starboard team setup for foiling and loving it! It feels like the learning curve is very quick as went from a wobbly first session to jamming overpowered by the 5th session. Had some crazy wipeouts also so thinking a helmet needs to be sorted!!

Do people really disassemble and reassemble their foils every time they go foiling?

I have got the Naish foil and max post sail time before I disassemble is 2 days.If you have all carbon then Happy Days

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AUS 814 said..
I have got the Naish foil and max post sail time before I disassemble is 2 days.If you have all carbon then Happy Days

What's an all-carbon? I thought they all had metal fuselages?

I have the starboard carbon (alloy fuselage) when I first put it together I loaded the screws with marine grease then wrapped them in teflon tape, grease again and in the went.
That was 4 month ago, since then I probably sailed 30 times with it, just rinsed at the end of the session.

For the first time last week I decided to diassemble it, a breeze !! not one screw stuck or even giving little resistance. Happy camper

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I have the starboard carbon (alloy fuselage) when I first put it together I loaded the screws with marine grease then wrapped them in teflon tape, grease again and in the went.
That was 4 month ago, since then I probably sailed 30 times with it, just rinsed at the end of the session.

For the first time last week I decided to diassemble it, a breeze !! not one screw stuck or even giving little resistance. Happy camper

Nice to know! I've used mine setup maybe 8 times now, but storage dictates pulling apart for sure.

I've used the 800cm wing but think could be bigger for light winds so hopefully something bigger comes out soon! Been mixing up the setup depending on the conditions, long fuselage, short and all combinations of foils. At the moment liking the lighter wind sailing as when stronger gets hairy!

This session was using the smallest wings and my 7m sail on my 4th go, but was gusting to 18 knots maybe more. I've had some more sessions since then and progressed a lot more, feels like every outing is a big jump in a positive way. Was out in similar wind yesterday on my 8m getting about 15 knots upwind speed and 22 knots deep off the wind using the big wings and long fuselage.

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I've used the 800cm wing but think could be bigger for light winds so hopefully something bigger comes out soon!

Totally agree, a 1100 wing is already available, waiting for mine to arrive. I demoed it, real early take off and incredible stability ! But slower...

And after test and trials it "seems" (aus4 ) that a 95 fuselage is on it's way (info from Tiesda You to our dealer).
According to me definitely the good option : stability/speed/unwind ability and early take off combined.

Also "seems" F4/pryde are soon releasing a long fuselage for the rs flight carbon.

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I have the starboard carbon (alloy fuselage) when I first put it together I loaded the screws with marine grease then wrapped them in teflon tape, grease again and in the went.
That was 4 month ago, since then I probably sailed 30 times with it, just rinsed at the end of the session.

For the first time last week I decided to diassemble it, a breeze !! not one screw stuck or even giving little resistance. Happy camper

I have a 108L slalom board, 69 wide. I can covert it to deep tuttle, if need be. Is it big enough, or am I dreaming? I'm 68-70kg. I would only want to foil in sub-15 knots. I've seen all sorts of conflicting advice regarding the best kind of sail for foiling. Some say soft wave sails, others freestyle sails (tight leech), others say cammed sails are the best. The dedicated foil sails like the Naish one seem to be very light and soft. Is there any consensus?

I'm no expert (except for myself) but I feel despite your lightweight (I'm 92kg and use a 91 board for foiling) that going through the trouble of converting a board is a lot of trouble for not much gain.

69 width is the strict minimum I'd say, and even then you'd struggle to get in going in light winds and would miss the stability and upwind ability offered by wide boards.

My son is 63 kg and uses an old hypersonic 77cm perfect for him, though he doesn't reach upwind as much as I do (also due to his f4 foil with short fuselage) But he's way faster than me !!!!

As for sails, I started on NCX (no cam) : there's a lot of uphauling when you begin, but that doesn't last long, the learning curve on the new foils is sooo fast !
Now I only use overdrives (3 cams) for their stability. With the no cam sails I would feel the centre of effort move in flight and this resulted in lost of longitudinal stability.

Never tried dedicated sails like the naish, all the other brands seem to go for light 3 cammed sails for foiling.

Wouldn't bother with wave/FS sails, as you need serious pumping in LW.
I once used my son's 4.8 freestyle sail in 25+knts where all you had to do was close the sail and be airborne, but even then once in the air I struggled with stability.
I now use a 5.7 OD in similar winds, just perfect. (though a 3 cam 5.0 would be nice !)

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I'm no expert (except for myself) but I feel despite your lightweight (I'm 92kg and use a 91 board for foiling) that going through the trouble of converting a board is a lot of trouble for not much gain.

69 width is the strict minimum I'd say, and even then you'd struggle to get in going in light winds and would miss the stability and upwind ability offered by wide boards.

My son is 63 kg and uses an old hypersonic 77cm perfect for him, though he doesn't reach upwind as much as I do (also due to his f4 foil with short fuselage) But he's way faster than me !!!!

As for sails, I started on NCX (no cam) : there's a lot of uphauling when you begin, but that doesn't last long, the learning curve on the new foils is sooo fast !
Now I only use overdrives (3 cams) for their stability. With the no cam sails I would feel the centre of effort move in flight and this resulted in lost of longitudinal stability.

Never tried dedicated sails like the naish, all the other brands seem to go for light 3 cammed sails for foiling.

Wouldn't bother with wave/FS sails, as you need serious pumping in LW.
I once used my son's 4.8 freestyle sail in 25+knts where all you had to do was close the sail and be airborne, but even then once in the air I struggled with stability.
I now use a 5.7 OD in similar winds, just perfect. (though a 3 cam 5.0 would be nice !)

Thanks. Very informative. I was planning to wait out this whole foiling thing until it settles down a bit.

But then I had a first go on the weekend on my friend's setup... It was an old formula board and I actually managed to get going. A friend of mine who observed from the beach said I didn't pogo up and down nearly as much as other guys he's seen foiling. So I thought I'm a natural! that maybe being lighter I don't need such a big board.

I must admit I'm looking at foiling as a way of avoiding big gear. This is why Horue stuff looks so enticing.

I watched two or three windsurfers foiling at Pelican Point today just before it got dark.

Wind had dropped to around 11-12 knots and they were planing most of the time,very impressive.

Sailing upwind / downwind appeared to be no problem too.

Still think regular windsurfing is better even in light winds - though I know it's likely not.

Just can't be bothered with the hassle of learning and the expense.

Best I do not try,just in case.

Your gear depends on many factors, but long run, almost everything works, and wide dedicated boards and soft cam sails work the easiest. That said, at 75kgs., my 95 liter, 62cm freeride board worked about as well as my 122 Hover, as long as the breeze stayed over 4 mph..slogging, of course. Around 13mpg gusts, with a 5.2 single cam sail, not much difference, both getting difficult in gusts around 19 mph.

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I watched two or three windsurfers foiling at Pelican Point today just before it got dark.

Wind had dropped to around 11-12 knots and they were planing most of the time,very impressive.

Sailing upwind / downwind appeared to be no problem too.

Still think regular windsurfing is better even in light winds - though I know it's likely not.

Just can't be bothered with the hassle of learning and the expense.

Best I do not try,just in case.

Yeah don't try it!!! ..... if you don't want to spend lots of money!

One month ago I got the kit and was being timid and unsure of the whole thing. My first proper session lasted 12 minutes and I was so exhausted! My vid above was session 4 so just shows how quick you get the hang of it all. I'll upload more vids later on, but was out on Sunday in gust up to 17 knots on a 8m no cam sail and it was trucking upwind and deep off the wind with no effort. In the gusty harbor so easy to pop on the foil and coast through the lulls, linking the puffs.

If you are just reaching back and forth not a huge deal if the water is flat. If you want to cover huge ground up and downwind and try to keep up with foiling moths is the only option. My 10m RSS is now officially retired, no more shoulder injuries hopefully! At least from the Starboard marketing they are being too cautious IMO. If you go by their marketing they scare off buyers from their high end stuff. I just decided to buy the team stuff and struggle, but to be honest it seems to come quickly, even if at times off the wind it is crazy and it just goes faster and faster and I have no idea how you slow it down properly!

I was doing about 15knots upwind and up to 22knots deep of the wind. Be curious to find moth GPS tracks of an average sailor to find out what to aim for. Be fun this summer (for us) to be able to spar with them!

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petermac33 said..
I watched two or three windsurfers foiling at Pelican Point today just before it got dark.

Wind had dropped to around 11-12 knots and they were planing most of the time,very impressive.

Sailing upwind / downwind appeared to be no problem too.

Still think regular windsurfing is better even in light winds - though I know it's likely not.

Just can't be bothered with the hassle of learning and the expense.

Best I do not try,just in case.

Yeah don't try it!!! ..... if you don't want to spend lots of money!

One month ago I got the kit and was being timid and unsure of the whole thing. My first proper session lasted 12 minutes and I was so exhausted! My vid above was session 4 so just shows how quick you get the hang of it all. I'll upload more vids later on, but was out on Sunday in gust up to 17 knots on a 8m no cam sail and it was trucking upwind and deep off the wind with no effort. In the gusty harbor so easy to pop on the foil and coast through the lulls, linking the puffs.

If you are just reaching back and forth not a huge deal if the water is flat. If you want to cover huge ground up and downwind and try to keep up with foiling moths is the only option. My 10m RSS is now officially retired, no more shoulder injuries hopefully! At least from the Starboard marketing they are being too cautious IMO. If you go by their marketing they scare off buyers from their high end stuff. I just decided to buy the team stuff and struggle, but to be honest it seems to come quickly, even if at times off the wind it is crazy and it just goes faster and faster and I have no idea how you slow it down properly!

I was doing about 15knots upwind and up to 22knots deep of the wind. Be curious to find moth GPS tracks of an average sailor to find out what to aim for. Be fun this summer (for us) to be able to spar with them!

The setup I tried had a full length mast... So is it worth skipping the short masts? F4 (the NP foil builders) don't make a "learning foil" because they claim people pick it up quickly enough. I like the idea of mast and fuselage being one piece.

I was one of the guys foiling at pelican point yesterday in 12-16knots on NP AL foil, JP 135 foil board with 7.7 hellcat. I've been learning on and off since late last year but we had such a great summer in Perth i didn't really put much effort in till about 6 weeks ago and have only used the foil in that time ie exclusively sailed with the foil

Biggest things I've found are wind consistency, placement of the mast base and getting the sail size correct.. plus getting my eye to watch the horizon as opposed to the front of the board ( this is a huge learning!) and obviously using front foot pressure/ body to level the board

I have fitted the slightly bigger front wing to NP foil which helps in the lighter air for the Ali foil .. which really needs a proper big wing option for light winds.

I can can only say till you've tried this foiling thing you really don't realise what a buzz it is !! ... downwind especially is unique !!!

Sorry to answer your question though id say the larger/ longer mast is the way to go as extends the time you have to trim height which is key if the wind is a bit up/ down

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The setup I tried had a full length mast... So is it worth skipping the short masts? F4 (the NP foil builders) don't make a "learning foil" because they claim people pick it up quickly enough. I like the idea of mast and fuselage being one piece.

Then hold on to your money a little more til they release the F4 foil with longer fuselage ! Should be so much more stable than the actual one. (which like I said is a speed machine but requires a lot of technique and finesse, two qualities I lack...)

as for the short mast, not much gain except maybe the first 5/6 nose dive crashes when it make you land softer....

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Faff said..
The setup I tried had a full length mast... So is it worth skipping the short masts? F4 (the NP foil builders) don't make a "learning foil" because they claim people pick it up quickly enough. I like the idea of mast and fuselage being one piece.

Then hold on to your money a little more til they release the F4 foil with longer fuselage ! Should be so much more stable than the actual one. (which like I said is a speed machine but requires a lot of technique and finesse, two qualities I lack...)

as for the short mast, not much gain except maybe the first 5/6 nose dive crashes when it make you land softer....

My only point of reference is the slingshot foil. Are there any carbon single-piece foils (mast+fuselage) that have no asterisk next to them?

Just surveying the market, every man and his dog is releasing a windsurfing foil - kite foiling companies, windsurfing board companies, even fin companies.

Maybe the safe alternative would be to get the cheapest foil (like the Fanatic one) just to learn the ropes.

There is a new windsurf mag comparison test that could help your choice if you can get the whole article in English.

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I was one of the guys foiling at pelican point yesterday in 12-16knots on NP AL foil, JP 135 foil board with 7.7 hellcat. I've been learning on and off since late last year but we had such a great summer in Perth i didn't really put much effort in till about 6 weeks ago and have only used the foil in that time ie exclusively sailed with the foil

Biggest things I've found are wind consistency, placement of the mast base and getting the sail size correct.. plus getting my eye to watch the horizon as opposed to the front of the board ( this is a huge learning!) and obviously using front foot pressure/ body to level the board

I have fitted the slightly bigger front wing to NP foil which helps in the lighter air for the Ali foil .. which really needs a proper big wing option for light winds.

I can can only say till you've tried this foiling thing you really don't realise what a buzz it is !! ... downwind especially is unique !!!

Sorry to answer your question though id say the larger/ longer mast is the way to go as extends the time you have to trim height which is key if the wind is a bit up/ down

Hi Mate
i was out that way as well yesterday
i saw you from a distance.
anyone else foiling out of peli?
one thing to note about windsurfers observing foilers and believing they are not that special.... we are still beginners

Yes Steve I think I saw you and Jesper? from a distance as well !

Ive been going down to pelican point as is easier to get to after work especially now is getting dark early. Have seen two other guys occasionally on foils at pelican point but not consistently ... agree with your comments --so so much more to come with foiling it's very early days yet ??

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Yes Steve I think I saw you and Jesper? from a distance as well !

Ive been going down to pelican point as is easier to get to after work especially now is getting dark early. Have seen two other guys occasionally on foils at pelican point but not consistently ... agree with your comments --so so much more to come with foiling it's very early days yet ??

Yes Jesper is a regular now and loves it!!!

Quite cheap for a full carbon foil, but the masts are short.

gofoil.com/

Never tried it, but would like to.Q: Would separate, dedicated front and rear foils/wings, spaced further apart make wind foiling on a board more stable? ...a more forgiving pivot point and easier to control lift?Lots of other water craft seem to have a much greater span between front and rear wings, even the older, original hydrofoil ferries.