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Macaha said..
Designed for pipeline can't see how it would go in your average Australian surf, just saying.

Nah, not just for pipe. Got the same bottom and rails in a Stewart 9'0 hydro hull.

Also similar to the Waldon Mini Magic 7'6 I ride and that thing leaves some brand name long fish twins I have ridden for dead. Absolutely rocks.

The 949 comp is a bit deeper double but should behave very nice in most waves apart from maybe complete mush.

Should go good, especially on East Coat points and juicy beachies.

Anything that is 23 plus by 3 plus ain't ****ing high performance unless you are 120kgs, plus.

As for the long fish depends what your judging It on. They have straight rail lines, and usually wide point forward. If you want a board that surfs like a long fish a long fish will be better than the Walden.

If you want a dad bod minimal fun board yeah the Walden will be better cause that's what is designed as.

Comparing the two is pointless the aren't meant to do the same thing.

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SP said..

Hydroman said..

Macaha said..
Designed for pipeline can't see how it would go in your average Australian surf, just saying.

Nah, not just for pipe. Got the same bottom and rails in a Stewart 9'0 hydro hull.

Also similar to the Waldon Mini Magic 7'6 I ride and that thing leaves some brand name long fish twins I have ridden for dead. Absolutely rocks.

The 949 comp is a bit deeper double but should behave very nice in most waves apart from maybe complete mush.

Should go good, especially on East Coat points and juicy beachies.

Anything that is 23 plus by 3 plus ain't ****ing high performance unless you are 120kgs, plus.

As for the long fish depends what your judging It on. They have straight rail lines, and usually wide point forward. If you want a board that surfs like a long fish a long fish will be better than the Walden.

If you want a dad bod minimal fun board yeah the Walden will be better cause that's what is designed as.

Comparing the two is pointless the aren't meant to do the same thing.

Hydro still banging on about the Walden hp mini mal tank... what a bloody joke

Paddles like a mal,turns like a 5'10 hp...never heard that before

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SP said..

Hydroman said..

Macaha said..
Designed for pipeline can't see how it would go in your average Australian surf, just saying.

Nah, not just for pipe. Got the same bottom and rails in a Stewart 9'0 hydro hull.

Also similar to the Waldon Mini Magic 7'6 I ride and that thing leaves some brand name long fish twins I have ridden for dead. Absolutely rocks.

The 949 comp is a bit deeper double but should behave very nice in most waves apart from maybe complete mush.

Should go good, especially on East Coat points and juicy beachies.

Anything that is 23 plus by 3 plus ain't ****ing high performance unless you are 120kgs, plus.

As for the long fish depends what your judging It on. They have straight rail lines, and usually wide point forward. If you want a board that surfs like a long fish a long fish will be better than the Walden.

If you want a dad bod minimal fun board yeah the Walden will be better cause that's what is designed as.

Comparing the two is pointless the aren't meant to do the same thing.

I hear ya SP and thought the same.

Was hunting around for a long fish and happened across the Walden cheap.

In 7'8 I thought I would flip it quick if I didn't like it but wanted to check out how the bevelled rails felt.

Besides who said anything about high performance? It's not a shortie.

Anyway, I replaced the 2 plus 1 with twin keels and holy cow turd. Thought it went good as a 2 plus 1 but the twins went next level.

The thing surfs better than anything I have ridden between a 6'4 and 7'3, Keyo, Torq, Webber, 7S, FW Beaver, FW Potatoe, C-Jet, a couple of mates customs, SSB 7'0 and some I've missed.

Yeah it's a mid length mini mal, yeah it's damned ugly as sin and the colours suck, yeah it's got a fat nose like a takayama. But when it's planing it's a short board tail and a light swing weight.

I certainly would not class it as another "fun board".

And yes I've surfed long fish Christensen 7'0 and 7S, the Walden craps all over them, if only it looked as cool as a long fish.

Have you ridden one?

Hydro.

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SP said..

Hydroman said..

Macaha said..
Designed for pipeline can't see how it would go in your average Australian surf, just saying.

Nah, not just for pipe. Got the same bottom and rails in a Stewart 9'0 hydro hull.

Also similar to the Waldon Mini Magic 7'6 I ride and that thing leaves some brand name long fish twins I have ridden for dead. Absolutely rocks.

The 949 comp is a bit deeper double but should behave very nice in most waves apart from maybe complete mush.

Should go good, especially on East Coat points and juicy beachies.

Anything that is 23 plus by 3 plus ain't ****ing high performance unless you are 120kgs, plus.

As for the long fish depends what your judging It on. They have straight rail lines, and usually wide point forward. If you want a board that surfs like a long fish a long fish will be better than the Walden.

If you want a dad bod minimal fun board yeah the Walden will be better cause that's what is designed as.

Comparing the two is pointless the aren't meant to do the same thing.

Hydro still banging on about the Walden hp mini mal tank... what a bloody joke

Paddles like a mal,turns like a 5'10 hp...never heard that before

Bang bang chrispy.

Turns like a 6'8 not 5'10 HP, as for performance, given it's a 7'8 board and bigish L it performs better than a lot of other "higher performance" designs. Goes better than the Y Hippie 6'4 I had and that was a fun board, just not enough float in it for my "dad bod".

And yeah I can pretty much catch fat rollers on it as they just begin to peak.

But it does look like a mini tanker or air craft carrier, fugly as sin.

Still can't stop surfing it, I just enjoy what works for me, not others.

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Hydroman said..

SP said..

Hydroman said..

Macaha said..
Designed for pipeline can't see how it would go in your average Australian surf, just saying.

Nah, not just for pipe. Got the same bottom and rails in a Stewart 9'0 hydro hull.

Also similar to the Waldon Mini Magic 7'6 I ride and that thing leaves some brand name long fish twins I have ridden for dead. Absolutely rocks.

The 949 comp is a bit deeper double but should behave very nice in most waves apart from maybe complete mush.

Should go good, especially on East Coat points and juicy beachies.

Anything that is 23 plus by 3 plus ain't ****ing high performance unless you are 120kgs, plus.

As for the long fish depends what your judging It on. They have straight rail lines, and usually wide point forward. If you want a board that surfs like a long fish a long fish will be better than the Walden.

If you want a dad bod minimal fun board yeah the Walden will be better cause that's what is designed as.

Comparing the two is pointless the aren't meant to do the same thing.

I hear ya SP and thought the same.

Was hunting around for a long fish and happened across the Walden cheap.

In 7'8 I thought I would flip it quick if I didn't like it but wanted to check out how the bevelled rails felt.

Besides who said anything about high performance? It's not a shortie.

Anyway, I replaced the 2 plus 1 with twin keels and holy cow turd. Thought it went good as a 2 plus 1 but the twins went next level.

The thing surfs better than anything I have ridden between a 6'4 and 7'3, Keyo, Torq, Webber, 7S, FW Beaver, FW Potatoe, C-Jet, a couple of mates customs, SSB 7'0 and some I've missed.

Yeah it's a mid length mini mal, yeah it's damned ugly as sin and the colours suck, yeah it's got a fat nose like a takayama. But when it's planing it's a short board tail and a light swing weight.

I certainly would not class it as another "fun board".

And yes I've surfed long fish Christensen 7'0 and 7S, the Walden craps all over them, if only it looked as cool as a long fish.

Have you ridden one?

Hydro.

The ad you posted had it as a high performance board.
The Waldens aren't that wide and thick from what I remember? when I rode one.
they are a fun board in the right cond but too much volume for me.

My point with the fish was that they aren't designed to do what the Walden does. The fish is straight railed and usually with keels, which is always going to mean the turns are drawn out, not designed to go vert etc. no way they will surf like the waldwn which is designed to do different things.

Horses for courses and depends on how you wanna surf.

Good thing is at least your getting waves and having fun.

I've seen a few long fish board reviews (I've never ridden one) where they purport to go well in larger lined up waves. Christensen do a Long Phish which looks sorta appealing. It kinda make sense with parallel rails and turned down rails. As long as they weren't too flat in the rocker. I'm keen for a mid length for hollow low tide beachies. Something to get in early, take a high line on a steep face and then get off. It has been an unfruitful search in a mid length size with a lot of mid lengths more fun board shapes with boxy rails that fight a high line. It's hard when you cant hold the board under your arm before parting with the big $$$ they are asking. I've never surfed a mid length twin and I would have thought a trailer would have helped.

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Daneli Returns said..
I've seen a few long fish board reviews (I've never ridden one) where they purport to go well in larger lined up waves. Christensen do a Long Phish which looks sorta appealing. It kinda make sense with parallel rails and turned down rails. As long as they weren't too flat in the rocker. I'm keen for a mid length for hollow low tide beachies. Something to get in early, take a high line on a steep face and then get off. It has been an unfruitful search in a mid length size with a lot of mid lengths more fun board shapes with boxy rails that fight a high line. It's hard when you cant hold the board under your arm before parting with the big $$$ they are asking. I've never surfed a mid length twin and I would have thought a trailer would have helped.

Ill suggest a Nautilus in a quad ??.

Not as straight as the long fish in the outline and quada have the instant acceleration and shorter turning arc.

They go great in lined up longer waves and happy grovelling in small beaches as well.

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SP said..

Daneli Returns said..
I've seen a few long fish board reviews (I've never ridden one) where they purport to go well in larger lined up waves. Christensen do a Long Phish which looks sorta appealing. It kinda make sense with parallel rails and turned down rails. As long as they weren't too flat in the rocker. I'm keen for a mid length for hollow low tide beachies. Something to get in early, take a high line on a steep face and then get off. It has been an unfruitful search in a mid length size with a lot of mid lengths more fun board shapes with boxy rails that fight a high line. It's hard when you cant hold the board under your arm before parting with the big $$$ they are asking. I've never surfed a mid length twin and I would have thought a trailer would have helped.

Ill suggest a Nautilus in a quad ??.

Not as straight as the long fish in the outline and quada have the instant acceleration and shorter turning arc.

They go great in lined up longer waves and happy grovelling in small beaches as well.

Plus one on the Nautilus over a big fish... The Nautilus also has a more pulled in tail which will help it ride better in steeper waves, a mate has one and I really enjoyed it on a board swap, awesome board.

Personally I find the wide tail on a fish a real pain on hollower waves something your constantly having to manage, much less neutral in the pocket or on the foamball but I love them when its lined up...

Other great options would be Christenson C-Bucket, Tak Howard, Lovelace Lizzy (watch this space) as these are all pins and have nice foiled rails/tail...

I've got a 6'8 DVS keel fish and I would only recommend it for long lined up point style waves...lots of glide and doesn't slide but hard to get vertical and doesn't like it too steep its gots scooped out deck and rolled roails that are very fine through the tail

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Tux said..
I've got a 6'8 DVS keel fish and I would only recommend it for long lined up point style waves...lots of glide and doesn't slide but hard to get vertical and doesn't like it too steep its gots scooped out deck and rolled roails that are very fine through the tail

My neighbor who I surf with most weekends has a 7'6" DVS hybrid winged fish/reef runner... Its absolutely his magic board, was amazing to see how much it changed and improved his surfing, i've surfed it too and it really is fun... that said, when it gets steep/hollow same thing, he grabs his outer island instead as the wider/thicker tail gets in the way.

He's actually asked me to shape him his DVS but with a pintail, here's what we've come up with... now its just waiting for me to get decent enough to not do a totally rubbish job... which might take awhile...

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Tux said..
I've got a 6'8 DVS keel fish and I would only recommend it for long lined up point style waves...lots of glide and doesn't slide but hard to get vertical and doesn't like it too steep its gots scooped out deck and rolled roails that are very fine through the tail

My neighbor who I surf with most weekends has a 7'6" DVS hybrid winged fish/reef runner... Its absolutely his magic board, was amazing to see how much it changed and improved his surfing, i've surfed it too and it really is fun... that said, when it gets steep/hollow same thing, he grabs his outer island instead as the wider/thicker tail gets in the way.

He's actually asked me to shape him his DVS but with a pintail, here's what we've come up with... now its just waiting for me to get decent enough to not do a totally rubbish job... which might take awhile...

Looks familiar....

www.amanosurf.com/twin-pin

I'd go this or a Cosmic Twin over the DVS and Christensons.

I have an 8ft vouch mid vish with s wing fins- magic combo.

Nice pulled in and surprisingly versatile

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AndyrooMac said..

SP said..

Daneli Returns said..
I've seen a few long fish board reviews (I've never ridden one) where they purport to go well in larger lined up waves. Christensen do a Long Phish which looks sorta appealing. It kinda make sense with parallel rails and turned down rails. As long as they weren't too flat in the rocker. I'm keen for a mid length for hollow low tide beachies. Something to get in early, take a high line on a steep face and then get off. It has been an unfruitful search in a mid length size with a lot of mid lengths more fun board shapes with boxy rails that fight a high line. It's hard when you cant hold the board under your arm before parting with the big $$$ they are asking. I've never surfed a mid length twin and I would have thought a trailer would have helped.

Ill suggest a Nautilus in a quad ??.

Not as straight as the long fish in the outline and quada have the instant acceleration and shorter turning arc.

They go great in lined up longer waves and happy grovelling in small beaches as well.

Plus one on the Nautilus over a big fish... The Nautilus also has a more pulled in tail which will help it ride better in steeper waves, a mate has one and I really enjoyed it on a board swap, awesome board.

Personally I find the wide tail on a fish a real pain on hollower waves something your constantly having to manage, much less neutral in the pocket or on the foamball but I love them when its lined up...

Other great options would be Christenson C-Bucket, Tak Howard, Lovelace Lizzy (watch this space) as these are all pins and have nice foiled rails/tail...

Mid-length twins I don't get.

Mid-length quads make a lot more sense.

Mid-length any fin set up pretty much works better than a twin in my opinion.
7'6" x 21 1/2 x 2 13/16 50l has been my go to all rounder for about 10 months now. Waist to triple head high it works. It has a 2+1 set up.

In the smaller mid-length range, I still reckon TSBW 6'10" Fountain of Youth was one of the best surfboards I have owned. 2+1 too, but no ability to run it as a quad. And much to my disgust, the cheap ass flexy plastic fins worked a treat (I tried other stiffer "proper" brand fins). Having said all that, it did fall apart when it copped its first ding.

Zoom in to get a sense of size. Little 6'10 did good. Plastic fins and all.

Hi all.
what is the best fin set up for stability. I'm finding my 6'6 scorpion 1 is sliding out heaps set up as a quad. Thinking of changing it up to a 2 + 1.

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Sandyclark said..
Hi all.
what is the best fin set up for stability. I'm finding my 6'6 scorpion 1 is sliding out heaps set up as a quad. Thinking of changing it up to a 2 + 1.

Sorry I missed that,could you ask again

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Hydroman said..

AndyrooMac said..

Tux said..
I've got a 6'8 DVS keel fish and I would only recommend it for long lined up point style waves...lots of glide and doesn't slide but hard to get vertical and doesn't like it too steep its gots scooped out deck and rolled roails that are very fine through the tail

My neighbor who I surf with most weekends has a 7'6" DVS hybrid winged fish/reef runner... Its absolutely his magic board, was amazing to see how much it changed and improved his surfing, i've surfed it too and it really is fun... that said, when it gets steep/hollow same thing, he grabs his outer island instead as the wider/thicker tail gets in the way.

He's actually asked me to shape him his DVS but with a pintail, here's what we've come up with... now its just waiting for me to get decent enough to not do a totally rubbish job... which might take awhile...

Looks familiar....

www.amanosurf.com/twin-pin

I'd go this or a Cosmic Twin over the DVS and Christensons.

Andy had the best response to this but must have deleted it...shame as it was pretty perfect in what was said

I have surfed your Walden and it is nothing like what you have said ,besides being a wave catching machine .

Everything else is you being excited about something you like....fantastic beginners board or an awesome cruiser would sum it up far better ...which is not a bad thing ,it is what you like

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chrispy said..

Hydroman said..

AndyrooMac said..

Tux said..
I've got a 6'8 DVS keel fish and I would only recommend it for long lined up point style waves...lots of glide and doesn't slide but hard to get vertical and doesn't like it too steep its gots scooped out deck and rolled roails that are very fine through the tail

My neighbor who I surf with most weekends has a 7'6" DVS hybrid winged fish/reef runner... Its absolutely his magic board, was amazing to see how much it changed and improved his surfing, i've surfed it too and it really is fun... that said, when it gets steep/hollow same thing, he grabs his outer island instead as the wider/thicker tail gets in the way.

He's actually asked me to shape him his DVS but with a pintail, here's what we've come up with... now its just waiting for me to get decent enough to not do a totally rubbish job... which might take awhile...

Looks familiar....

www.amanosurf.com/twin-pin

I'd go this or a Cosmic Twin over the DVS and Christensons.

Andy had the best response to this but must have deleted it...shame as it was pretty perfect in what was said

I have surfed your Walden and it is nothing like what you have said ,besides being a wave catching machine .

Everything else is you being excited about something you like....fantastic beginners board or an awesome cruiser would sum it up far better ...which is not a bad thing ,it is what you like

Cheers Chrispy,

Yep paddles amazing and catches waves with ease. So that's something like I've said

Yeah would work really well for a beginner as well and absolutely cruises the face.

Exactly what it felt like as a two plus one.

But it's got hidden talent in that dad bod outline. Could be you just need to work on your figure to get the most out of it

I brought it on a bit of an impulse for cheap because I was curious about chines. With a mindset to move it on pretty quickly.

But for me it's a keeper until I get a custom. And I stand by it performing better than some big name mids I have ridden.

A mate owns a new Seaside and Beyond, 7'4 Timbertek. Did a swap last weekend for a few waves, he was blown away by how quick, manoeuvrable and responsive the Walden was.

I was reminded that I don't like the SSB, doesn't hold a rail as well, quick but linear with direction, nose rail still seems to bite and cartwheel you unless you nail the angle exactly.

So for me the dad bod Walden is much more forgiving, yet can hit another gear in performance if you have the skill to take it there, which I don't consistently.

Yet that's half the fun hey, finding a board that makes you want to push your limits to unlock it's potential.

So what have you ridden that you find better? Would love to target some other designs to try.

Cheers

Hydro

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Hydroman said..

AndyrooMac said..

Tux said..
I've got a 6'8 DVS keel fish and I would only recommend it for long lined up point style waves...lots of glide and doesn't slide but hard to get vertical and doesn't like it too steep its gots scooped out deck and rolled roails that are very fine through the tail

My neighbor who I surf with most weekends has a 7'6" DVS hybrid winged fish/reef runner... Its absolutely his magic board, was amazing to see how much it changed and improved his surfing, i've surfed it too and it really is fun... that said, when it gets steep/hollow same thing, he grabs his outer island instead as the wider/thicker tail gets in the way.

He's actually asked me to shape him his DVS but with a pintail, here's what we've come up with... now its just waiting for me to get decent enough to not do a totally rubbish job... which might take awhile...

Looks familiar....

www.amanosurf.com/twin-pin

I'd go this or a Cosmic Twin over the DVS and Christensons.

Have you actually ridden a Cosmic twin though or just sold on the marketing hype?

I've ridded one, a 7'6" and it was ok for sure but not a patch on the Christenson or the DVS for me... I only sold the Christenson because the Lizzy suited my surfing better otherwise i'd still happily own her, really beautiful board.

That said, I have ridded a Walden and its certainly better than those. The Walden just felt really corky and boaty to me, wouldn't engage with the wave... I have a mate, who's a learner though, who loves his, his is a 7' or maybe 7'2" and caught waves great and paddles great for sure but just felt meh on the wave to me... but then he didn't like my Lizzy when we swapped sooooo....

At the end of the day, the best board is the one YOU enjoy surfing, not the one that marketing or peer pressure tells you to like, and lets face it, most of the marketing (and I worked in marketing for years) is BS to make you buy something... so just keep surfing the thing you love.


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I just saw your Walden is a 7'8"!!! that must be around 70ltrs so its basically a log pushed into a Mid body... Therefore, maybe you just love the extra volume. A 7'6" cosmic twin is only around 50ltrs so you'd actually be wanting one around 8.5 to 9ft to match the paddle/entry of your Walden.

"Have you actually ridden a Cosmic twin though or just sold on the marketing hype?"

Guilty, nope. Just love the look and outline of the triple stringer.

"At the end of the day, the best board is the one YOU enjoy surfing... so just keep surfing the thing you love."

Spot on brother.

"I just saw your Walden is a 7'8"!!! that must be around 70ltrs"

Yes 7'8, but no it's 52L. Your mate must be riding the Mega Mini Magic, that in the 7'8 is up around the 70L.

Mine is just the Mini Magic, stupid marketing distinctions made up by Walden as they tried to slot multi volume versions of the same design into the market.

Got some guys around where I surf are blown away when they realise I'm on a 7'8 Walden "grandad bod board". Get comments like "Never seen a mini mal blow the fins out the back of the lip before", "Hey Old Mate how do you throw that thing around like it's a short board?" So I wouldn't say it's a squashed log as such, although it can nose ride amazingly as well. It just has too much performance in it to equate it too a log or even a fat fun board design.

I've ridden a Christenson in 7'0 and I still think the Walden goes better than it did.

If you want to get an idea of the current equivalent to mine it's called the dual core mini magic. A way better looker than mine, same outline and bottom shape but still a typical egg mid board.

surfsupwarehouse.com.au/product/walden-mini-magic-dual-core/

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Hydroman said..
"Have you actually ridden a Cosmic twin though or just sold on the marketing hype?"

Guilty, nope. Just love the look and outline of the triple stringer.

"At the end of the day, the best board is the one YOU enjoy surfing... so just keep surfing the thing you love."

Spot on brother.

"I just saw your Walden is a 7'8"!!! that must be around 70ltrs"

Yes 7'8, but no it's 52L. Your mate must be riding the Mega Mini Magic, that in the 7'8 is up around the 70L.

Mine is just the Mini Magic, stupid marketing distinctions made up by Walden as they tried to slot multi volume versions of the same design into the market.

Got some guys around where I surf are blown away when they realise I'm on a 7'8 Walden "grandad bod board". Get comments like "Never seen a mini mal blow the fins out the back of the lip before", "Hey Old Mate how do you throw that thing around like it's a short board?" So I wouldn't say it's a squashed log as such, although it can nose ride amazingly as well. It just has too much performance in it to equate it too a log or even a fat fun board design.

I've ridden a Christenson in 7'0 and I still think the Walden goes better than it did.

If you want to get an idea of the current equivalent to mine it's called the dual core mini magic. A way better looker than mine, same outline and bottom shape but still a typical egg mid board.

surfsupwarehouse.com.au/product/walden-mini-magic-dual-core/

It sounds like your style is not really conducive to the "traditional" Midlength boards, your really using a bigger board to surf like a Short Board.

Those traditional mids origins are from the transition era, with some modern refinement but ultimately designed for natural trim and glide (without pumping!!!), smooth lines and drawn out turns which is where a Christenson C-Bucket/Flat Tracker, Tak mid, Lovelace mid etc excels, I'd also throw the Joel Fitz board you love into that mix, not really shaped "to rip". I mean, for me, the best Mid riders are Trevor Gordon, Ryan Burch, Joel Tudor, Devon Howard, Torren Martin etc. Those guys are amazing surfers but they're never "blowing the fins out" The below is a great example, really simple and beautiful surfing...

There are however a bunch of excellent "Big Boy Short Boards" that I would say are more in your wheelhouse so maybe that more where you should be looking and there's more info on those boards in the SB room to be fair... I mean this is technically the Longboard room...

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AndyrooMac said..

Hydroman said..
"Have you actually ridden a Cosmic twin though or just sold on the marketing hype?"

Guilty, nope. Just love the look and outline of the triple stringer.

"At the end of the day, the best board is the one YOU enjoy surfing... so just keep surfing the thing you love."

Spot on brother.

"I just saw your Walden is a 7'8"!!! that must be around 70ltrs"

Yes 7'8, but no it's 52L. Your mate must be riding the Mega Mini Magic, that in the 7'8 is up around the 70L.

Mine is just the Mini Magic, stupid marketing distinctions made up by Walden as they tried to slot multi volume versions of the same design into the market.

Got some guys around where I surf are blown away when they realise I'm on a 7'8 Walden "grandad bod board". Get comments like "Never seen a mini mal blow the fins out the back of the lip before", "Hey Old Mate how do you throw that thing around like it's a short board?" So I wouldn't say it's a squashed log as such, although it can nose ride amazingly as well. It just has too much performance in it to equate it too a log or even a fat fun board design.

I've ridden a Christenson in 7'0 and I still think the Walden goes better than it did.

If you want to get an idea of the current equivalent to mine it's called the dual core mini magic. A way better looker than mine, same outline and bottom shape but still a typical egg mid board.

surfsupwarehouse.com.au/product/walden-mini-magic-dual-core/

It sounds like your style is not really conducive to the "traditional" Midlength boards, your really using a bigger board to surf like a Short Board.

Those traditional mids origins are from the transition era, with some modern refinement but ultimately designed for natural trim and glide (without pumping!!!), smooth lines and drawn out turns which is where a Christenson C-Bucket/Flat Tracker, Tak mid, Lovelace mid etc excels, I'd also throw the Joel Fitz board you love into that mix, not really shaped "to rip". I mean, for me, the best Mid riders are Trevor Gordon, Ryan Burch, Joel Tudor, Devon Howard, Torren Martin etc. Those guys are amazing surfers but they're never "blowing the fins out" The below is a great example, really simple and beautiful surfing...

There are however a bunch of excellent "Big Boy Short Boards" that I would say are more in your wheelhouse so maybe that more where you should be looking and there's more info on those boards in the SB room to be fair... I mean this is technically the Longboard room...

Andy,Where you actually surfing in the so called transitional era?

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AndyrooMac said..

Hydroman said..
"Have you actually ridden a Cosmic twin though or just sold on the marketing hype?"

Guilty, nope. Just love the look and outline of the triple stringer.

"At the end of the day, the best board is the one YOU enjoy surfing... so just keep surfing the thing you love."

Spot on brother.

"I just saw your Walden is a 7'8"!!! that must be around 70ltrs"

Yes 7'8, but no it's 52L. Your mate must be riding the Mega Mini Magic, that in the 7'8 is up around the 70L.

Mine is just the Mini Magic, stupid marketing distinctions made up by Walden as they tried to slot multi volume versions of the same design into the market.

Got some guys around where I surf are blown away when they realise I'm on a 7'8 Walden "grandad bod board". Get comments like "Never seen a mini mal blow the fins out the back of the lip before", "Hey Old Mate how do you throw that thing around like it's a short board?" So I wouldn't say it's a squashed log as such, although it can nose ride amazingly as well. It just has too much performance in it to equate it too a log or even a fat fun board design.

I've ridden a Christenson in 7'0 and I still think the Walden goes better than it did.

If you want to get an idea of the current equivalent to mine it's called the dual core mini magic. A way better looker than mine, same outline and bottom shape but still a typical egg mid board.

surfsupwarehouse.com.au/product/walden-mini-magic-dual-core/

It sounds like your style is not really conducive to the "traditional" Midlength boards, your really using a bigger board to surf like a Short Board.

Those traditional mids origins are from the transition era, with some modern refinement but ultimately designed for natural trim and glide (without pumping!!!), smooth lines and drawn out turns which is where a Christenson C-Bucket/Flat Tracker, Tak mid, Lovelace mid etc excels, I'd also throw the Joel Fitz board you love into that mix, not really shaped "to rip". I mean, for me, the best Mid riders are Trevor Gordon, Ryan Burch, Joel Tudor, Devon Howard, Torren Martin etc. Those guys are amazing surfers but they're never "blowing the fins out" The below is a great example, really simple and beautiful surfing...

There are however a bunch of excellent "Big Boy Short Boards" that I would say are more in your wheelhouse so maybe that more where you should be looking and there's more info on those boards in the SB room to be fair... I mean this is technically the Longboard room...

Awesome vid Andyroomac, just the medicine I needed this afternoon.

Yeah ... Nah, I love that style of surfing and emulate it on any wave I get like that. But here in Perth we don't get many long runners like that, our waves are POW, one maybe two moves and your done unless you want to hit one of 3 or 4 super crowded reefs in a 100km stretch of coastline.

That is my preferred surfing, long lines, mellow style, relaxed, and the boards I've ridden have all done exactly that. But this Walden thingy has got dynamite in it's rails and a rocket in it's tail. With the 2 plus 1 it was good, quick, predictable and surfed much like your clip but still able to send it to the lip like Devon Howard does with the CI Mid, so awesome pivot. But it had a limiter, you could feel that middle fin hit it's max warp and then it would start humming.

So I went weird and threw in a set of the Futures K2 keels for an experiment because I couldn't afford a Morning of the Earth long twin. And holy bat mobile booster rockets. Went from quick to max warp speed, suddenly making sections and getting 3 to 4 moves in on a wave instead of one to two. As for blowing the fins, that's my signature bail move at closeout, just send it vertical after everyone's thinking your a crusty old geezer. Feels even better when you nail the landings consistently, but no not my every turn style, just amazed me that this board had it in her and just did it like a mind meld.

I did the SB with a Yahoo Yallingup Hippie, good volume 6'4 board but.... mehh, no style. The longest they made was the 6'9, I love the extra length for the glide, paddle in and nose ride, but volume alone does not give me that.

So I'll stop banging on about the Big W and just hang around here watching the ripper boards people post up. Besides I might not have it much longer anyway, depending on how long it takes my shaper to make my a custom 7'6 based on it.

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Daneli Returns said..
I've seen a few long fish board reviews (I've never ridden one) where they purport to go well in larger lined up waves. Christensen do a Long Phish which looks sorta appealing. It kinda make sense with parallel rails and turned down rails. As long as they weren't too flat in the rocker. I'm keen for a mid length for hollow low tide beachies. Something to get in early, take a high line on a steep face and then get off. It has been an unfruitful search in a mid length size with a lot of mid lengths more fun board shapes with boxy rails that fight a high line. It's hard when you cant hold the board under your arm before parting with the big $$$ they are asking. I've never surfed a mid length twin and I would have thought a trailer would have helped.

Look at Sunova's offerings for what you are seeking. The rocker fits into the curve and rails lock into steep faces. The rails are like shortboard rails not boxy in the least. The board construction can take the punishment. Look at the wave hog model. I have an 8' 8ball model which looks like a longer version of the wave hog and it is an absolute quiver killer if you can stick to just one board. I'm too inquisitive to do this but it works in everything I have come across.

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Cuttlefish said..

Daneli Returns said..
I've seen a few long fish board reviews (I've never ridden one) where they purport to go well in larger lined up waves. Christensen do a Long Phish which looks sorta appealing. It kinda make sense with parallel rails and turned down rails. As long as they weren't too flat in the rocker. I'm keen for a mid length for hollow low tide beachies. Something to get in early, take a high line on a steep face and then get off. It has been an unfruitful search in a mid length size with a lot of mid lengths more fun board shapes with boxy rails that fight a high line. It's hard when you cant hold the board under your arm before parting with the big $$$ they are asking. I've never surfed a mid length twin and I would have thought a trailer would have helped.

Look at Sunova's offerings for what you are seeking. The rocker fits into the curve and rails lock into steep faces. The rails are like shortboard rails not boxy in the least. The board construction can take the punishment. Look at the wave hog model. I have an 8' 8ball model which looks like a longer version of the wave hog and it is an absolute quiver killer if you can stick to just one board. I'm too inquisitive to do this but it works in everything I have come across.

Shame they don't do the Wave Hog in a 4 plus 1 box arrangement and FCS2 or Futures.

The 7'2 or 7'4 looks the goods to me if they had the boxes.

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Hydroman said..

AndyrooMac said..

Hydroman said..
"Have you actually ridden a Cosmic twin though or just sold on the marketing hype?"

Guilty, nope. Just love the look and outline of the triple stringer.

"At the end of the day, the best board is the one YOU enjoy surfing... so just keep surfing the thing you love."

Spot on brother.

"I just saw your Walden is a 7'8"!!! that must be around 70ltrs"

Yes 7'8, but no it's 52L. Your mate must be riding the Mega Mini Magic, that in the 7'8 is up around the 70L.

Mine is just the Mini Magic, stupid marketing distinctions made up by Walden as they tried to slot multi volume versions of the same design into the market.

Got some guys around where I surf are blown away when they realise I'm on a 7'8 Walden "grandad bod board". Get comments like "Never seen a mini mal blow the fins out the back of the lip before", "Hey Old Mate how do you throw that thing around like it's a short board?" So I wouldn't say it's a squashed log as such, although it can nose ride amazingly as well. It just has too much performance in it to equate it too a log or even a fat fun board design.

I've ridden a Christenson in 7'0 and I still think the Walden goes better than it did.

If you want to get an idea of the current equivalent to mine it's called the dual core mini magic. A way better looker than mine, same outline and bottom shape but still a typical egg mid board.

surfsupwarehouse.com.au/product/walden-mini-magic-dual-core/

It sounds like your style is not really conducive to the "traditional" Midlength boards, your really using a bigger board to surf like a Short Board.

Those traditional mids origins are from the transition era, with some modern refinement but ultimately designed for natural trim and glide (without pumping!!!), smooth lines and drawn out turns which is where a Christenson C-Bucket/Flat Tracker, Tak mid, Lovelace mid etc excels, I'd also throw the Joel Fitz board you love into that mix, not really shaped "to rip". I mean, for me, the best Mid riders are Trevor Gordon, Ryan Burch, Joel Tudor, Devon Howard, Torren Martin etc. Those guys are amazing surfers but they're never "blowing the fins out" The below is a great example, really simple and beautiful surfing...

There are however a bunch of excellent "Big Boy Short Boards" that I would say are more in your wheelhouse so maybe that more where you should be looking and there's more info on those boards in the SB room to be fair... I mean this is technically the Longboard room...

Awesome vid Andyroomac, just the medicine I needed this afternoon.

Yeah ... Nah, I love that style of surfing and emulate it on any wave I get like that. But here in Perth we don't get many long runners like that, our waves are POW, one maybe two moves and your done unless you want to hit one of 3 or 4 super crowded reefs in a 100km stretch of coastline.

That is my preferred surfing, long lines, mellow style, relaxed, and the boards I've ridden have all done exactly that. But this Walden thingy has got dynamite in it's rails and a rocket in it's tail. With the 2 plus 1 it was good, quick, predictable and surfed much like your clip but still able to send it to the lip like Devon Howard does with the CI Mid, so awesome pivot. But it had a limiter, you could feel that middle fin hit it's max warp and then it would start humming.

So I went weird and threw in a set of the Futures K2 keels for an experiment because I couldn't afford a Morning of the Earth long twin. And holy bat mobile booster rockets. Went from quick to max warp speed, suddenly making sections and getting 3 to 4 moves in on a wave instead of one to two. As for blowing the fins, that's my signature bail move at closeout, just send it vertical after everyone's thinking your a crusty old geezer. Feels even better when you nail the landings consistently, but no not my every turn style, just amazed me that this board had it in her and just did it like a mind meld.

I did the SB with a Yahoo Yallingup Hippie, good volume 6'4 board but.... mehh, no style. The longest they made was the 6'9, I love the extra length for the glide, paddle in and nose ride, but volume alone does not give me that.

So I'll stop banging on about the Big W and just hang around here watching the ripper boards people post up. Besides I might not have it much longer anyway, depending on how long it takes my shaper to make my a custom 7'6 based on it.

Lol,I can blow the fins out of a mal if I'm not going to make it as well ...I do applaud you ,from when you first came on here saying you couldn't surf to blowing fins is a great achievement

My 7'6 surfs way better than the Walden...way way better ...

But thankfully my dad bod has allowed me to surf my 5'10 bonzer lately with the fun banks we have had

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wavemaniac said..

AndyrooMac said..

Hydroman said..
"Have you actually ridden a Cosmic twin though or just sold on the marketing hype?"

Guilty, nope. Just love the look and outline of the triple stringer.

"At the end of the day, the best board is the one YOU enjoy surfing... so just keep surfing the thing you love."

Spot on brother.

"I just saw your Walden is a 7'8"!!! that must be around 70ltrs"

Yes 7'8, but no it's 52L. Your mate must be riding the Mega Mini Magic, that in the 7'8 is up around the 70L.

Mine is just the Mini Magic, stupid marketing distinctions made up by Walden as they tried to slot multi volume versions of the same design into the market.

Got some guys around where I surf are blown away when they realise I'm on a 7'8 Walden "grandad bod board". Get comments like "Never seen a mini mal blow the fins out the back of the lip before", "Hey Old Mate how do you throw that thing around like it's a short board?" So I wouldn't say it's a squashed log as such, although it can nose ride amazingly as well. It just has too much performance in it to equate it too a log or even a fat fun board design.

I've ridden a Christenson in 7'0 and I still think the Walden goes better than it did.

If you want to get an idea of the current equivalent to mine it's called the dual core mini magic. A way better looker than mine, same outline and bottom shape but still a typical egg mid board.

surfsupwarehouse.com.au/product/walden-mini-magic-dual-core/

It sounds like your style is not really conducive to the "traditional" Midlength boards, your really using a bigger board to surf like a Short Board.

Those traditional mids origins are from the transition era, with some modern refinement but ultimately designed for natural trim and glide (without pumping!!!), smooth lines and drawn out turns which is where a Christenson C-Bucket/Flat Tracker, Tak mid, Lovelace mid etc excels, I'd also throw the Joel Fitz board you love into that mix, not really shaped "to rip". I mean, for me, the best Mid riders are Trevor Gordon, Ryan Burch, Joel Tudor, Devon Howard, Torren Martin etc. Those guys are amazing surfers but they're never "blowing the fins out" The below is a great example, really simple and beautiful surfing...

There are however a bunch of excellent "Big Boy Short Boards" that I would say are more in your wheelhouse so maybe that more where you should be looking and there's more info on those boards in the SB room to be fair... I mean this is technically the Longboard room...

Andy,Where you actually surfing in the so called transitional era?

No,but the marketing hype he despises ....well he just enjoys the vibe so I will leave it there .

Which is where I do agree with Andy, we all surf differently and want different things,so if you are happy that is a good thing...because being angry and surfing must suck ****

...thanks for your opinion Chrispy,is Andy on leave?

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wavemaniac said..
...thanks for your opinion Chrispy,is Andy on leave?

You're welcome

He is probably lurking like the rest of us ,or got better stuff to do than be on here like the rest of us

Or at the altar of Ryan and frothing and hating all the fake hype that surrounds surfing

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wavemaniac said..

AndyrooMac said..

Hydroman said..
"Have you actually ridden a Cosmic twin though or just sold on the marketing hype?"

Guilty, nope. Just love the look and outline of the triple stringer.

"At the end of the day, the best board is the one YOU enjoy surfing... so just keep surfing the thing you love."

Spot on brother.

"I just saw your Walden is a 7'8"!!! that must be around 70ltrs"

Yes 7'8, but no it's 52L. Your mate must be riding the Mega Mini Magic, that in the 7'8 is up around the 70L.

Mine is just the Mini Magic, stupid marketing distinctions made up by Walden as they tried to slot multi volume versions of the same design into the market.

Got some guys around where I surf are blown away when they realise I'm on a 7'8 Walden "grandad bod board". Get comments like "Never seen a mini mal blow the fins out the back of the lip before", "Hey Old Mate how do you throw that thing around like it's a short board?" So I wouldn't say it's a squashed log as such, although it can nose ride amazingly as well. It just has too much performance in it to equate it too a log or even a fat fun board design.

I've ridden a Christenson in 7'0 and I still think the Walden goes better than it did.

If you want to get an idea of the current equivalent to mine it's called the dual core mini magic. A way better looker than mine, same outline and bottom shape but still a typical egg mid board.

surfsupwarehouse.com.au/product/walden-mini-magic-dual-core/

It sounds like your style is not really conducive to the "traditional" Midlength boards, your really using a bigger board to surf like a Short Board.

Those traditional mids origins are from the transition era, with some modern refinement but ultimately designed for natural trim and glide (without pumping!!!), smooth lines and drawn out turns which is where a Christenson C-Bucket/Flat Tracker, Tak mid, Lovelace mid etc excels, I'd also throw the Joel Fitz board you love into that mix, not really shaped "to rip". I mean, for me, the best Mid riders are Trevor Gordon, Ryan Burch, Joel Tudor, Devon Howard, Torren Martin etc. Those guys are amazing surfers but they're never "blowing the fins out" The below is a great example, really simple and beautiful surfing...

There are however a bunch of excellent "Big Boy Short Boards" that I would say are more in your wheelhouse so maybe that more where you should be looking and there's more info on those boards in the SB room to be fair... I mean this is technically the Longboard room...

Andy, Were you actually surfing in the so called transitional era?

Haha, I look like I was for sure and the sleep deprivation from my kids make me feeeeeeel like I was but sadly nah...

My impressions of the Transition era are based on watching classic surf vids, reading books like "The Gift" by Marc Andreini, which is amazing btw, Mickey Munoz "no bad waves", Mick Lawrence "Surfing on the Inside", "A Golden Age" by John Witzig etc etc

Really, I just prefer the "feel" of that style of surfing but also visually prefer watching it... I surf to relax and let go and I find i'm most in tune with this style... That and I used to look like a total spaz pumping away on a SB trying to bash the lip... when I found Longboarding and Mid cruising it was life changing for me, made me truly fall in love with surfing.

FYI I don't check in here too much these days but you can always hit me up on insta, I check that most days... Cheers