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Mr Milk said..
There is an evolutionary psychologist called Goeffrey Miller who makes the subversive argument that getting a degree is just a mating display to advertise intelligence to a prospective partner and could easily be replaced by solving sudoku puzzles.

The only problem I see with this argument is that generally most people doing Sudoku puzzles are past reproduction age

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FormulaNova said..

Mr Milk said..
There is an evolutionary psychologist called Goeffrey Miller who makes the subversive argument that getting a degree is just a mating display to advertise intelligence to a prospective partner and could easily be replaced by solving sudoku puzzles.

The only problem I see with this argument is that generally most people doing Sudoku puzzles are past reproduction age

There might be something to it. Took me eight years to do a degree part time, during that time my five kids were born.

You should have gone full time. Back in my day there were certainly students there more for the arse than for the class, but the arse took precautions.

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FormulaNova said..
The vaccine was never going to be able to protect against all variants, and as we have seen its more likely that it would have primed the body to get ready and would reduce the severity of infection.

Congratulations FN. Welcome to the sane side.

Now that you have reached that enlightened position do you not, not even a teenie-weeny bit, wonder if everything that was said and done on the basis that the vaccine was the sole difference between perpetual lock-down and total return to normality might have been a bit.... well a bit questionable ?

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fangman said..
I prefer the one that doesn't end with a mass suicide. Just sayin'...

So you sayin' people who follow the scientific method are in a cult ?

I'd have thought it was the opposite. They should be unburdened by the pressure to follow the herd or having to think like those around them.

Although perhaps you could make a reasonable argument that some acedemic and research scientists are a bit blinded (or maybe have tunnel vision) by acedemia and the institutions in which they spend all their time. I can see how it does become a bit cult like, including with the pressure and status in having to produce papers and "discover new things" and the self-serving belief they have some sort of increased personal worth to society over say a plumber or a nurse.

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fangman said...
I prefer the one that doesn't end with a mass suicide. Just sayin'...

Argh, sorry, sorry. I am with you now.

You are talking about the cult of climate science.

How dare you.

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myscreenname said..

Liar, she is aged 61 so she could have started collecting Super last year..

I am passing on what i heard earlier this afternoon. A 5 minute conversation is not enough to know all the details. You sound an angry chappy?

www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/super-for-individuals-and-families/super/withdrawing-and-using-your-super/super-withdrawal-options

I briefly went full tilt Remery.

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psychojoe said..

There's no way you could know. An asymptomatic infection could've passed you by and you wouldn't know. My symptom was a headache, it was largely by chance that I tested to discover it was Covid.

True, it the last six months I have had two colds, maybe a mild flu. I only did a covid test on the second and it was negative.

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Carantoc said..

So you sayin' people who follow the scientific method are in a cult ?

I'd have thought it was the opposite. They should be unburdened by the pressure to follow the herd or having to think like those around them.

Although perhaps you could make a reasonable argument that some acedemic and research scientists are a bit blinded (or maybe have tunnel vision) by acedemia and the institutions in which they spend all their time. I can see how it does become a bit cult like, including with the pressure and status in having to produce papers and "discover new things" and the self-serving belief they have some sort of increased personal worth to society over say a plumber or a nurse.

Most of the scientists I know have a great deal of respect for plumbers. In fact, they don't tell plumbers how to do plumbing.

But apparently it's OK for non-scientists to tell scientists how to do science.

The scientists I know couldn't care less if others believed them or not. They observe, fine tune, review and repeat acknowledging progress over perfection. They certainly don't have the time or will to bask in the glow of willful ignorance.

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Carantoc said..

So you sayin' people who follow the scientific method are in a cult ?

I'd have thought it was the opposite. They should be unburdened by the pressure to follow the herd or having to think like those around them.

Although perhaps you could make a reasonable argument that some acedemic and research scientists are a bit blinded (or maybe have tunnel vision) by acedemia and the institutions in which they spend all their time. I can see how it does become a bit cult like, including with the pressure and status in having to produce papers and "discover new things" and the self-serving belief they have some sort of increased personal worth to society over say a plumber or a nurse.

Most of the scientists I know have a great deal of respect for plumbers. In fact, they don't tell plumbers how to do plumbing.

But apparently it's OK for non-scientists to tell scientists how to do science.

I'm sure they would have something to say if they suspected the plumber was ****ing it up, like running a pipe uphill for example.

The problem is there are countless scientists who disagree with other scientists so why the necessity to regurgitate the current narrative like a robot?

On another note, I've heard in the last few days of people pulling out of a current National Championship because....... and wait for it........

they tested positive for convid 19 Hypochondriacs lol


Just 2 weeks to flatten the curve

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remery said..
Most of the scientists I know have a great deal of respect for plumbers...

So....., some measurable quantity of scientists you know have no respect for plumbers ?

Is that because they have no repect for purveyors of the plumbing profession in general or just that they have no respect for anyone who they don't identify as another scientist who is like them ?

Most of the plumbers I know use scientific methods to diagnose faults in plumbing systems. Why doesn't that make them scientists ?

Or do you have to be formally inducted into the cult in some secret initiation ceremony ?

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myscreenname said...
I briefly went full tilt Remery.

Maybe there is a vaccine to cure you of that ?

In this song B O B touches on it in one of his lines......indoctrinated in a cult called science.

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Carantoc said..

Now that you have reached that enlightened position do you not, not even a teenie-weeny bit, wonder if everything that was said and done on the basis that the vaccine was the sole difference between perpetual lock-down and total return to normality might have been a bit.... well a bit questionable ?

Why would acknowledging that the vaccines available at the time would not be able to protect against all future variants mean that everything said and done at that time to best protect the population was questionable?

Carantic: Most of the plumbers I know use scientific methods to diagnose faults in plumbing systems.

But not all of them?
Maybe that's why Remerys scientists don't respect all plumbers?

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D3 said..
Carantic: Most of the plumbers I know use scientific methods to diagnose faults in plumbing systems.

But not all of them?
Maybe that's why Remerys scientists don't respect all plumbers?

Argh arh. Critical thinkin' D3, keep it critical.

On the contary to your analysis remery said most of the scientist he knows repect plumbers, not that the scientists he knows respect most plumbers.

Where as I said most of the plumbers I know use science.......

Hence you could deduce some plumbers I know do not follow scientific principals in diagnosing faults. Where-as remery's scientists don't distinguish whether a plumber is legit or not, they just don't respect them anyway.

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remery said..
Most of the scientists I know have a great deal of respect for plumbers...

So....., some measurable quantity of scientists you know have no respect for plumbers ?

Is that because they have no repect for purveyors of the plumbing profession in general or just that they have no respect for anyone who they don't identify as another scientist who is like them ?

Most of the plumbers I know use scientific methods to diagnose faults in plumbing systems. Why doesn't that make them scientists ?

Or do you have to be formally inducted into the cult in some secret initiation ceremony ?

Or do you have to be formally inducted into the cult in some secret initiation ceremony ?
They do at Pascoes .

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So....., some measurable quantity of scientists you know have no respect for plumbers ?

Is that because they have no repect for purveyors of the plumbing profession in general or just that they have no respect for anyone who they don't identify as another scientist who is like them ?

Most of the plumbers I know use scientific methods to diagnose faults in plumbing systems. Why doesn't that make them scientists ?

Or do you have to be formally inducted into the cult in some secret initiation ceremony ?

Comments that start with "So..." usually end up. With a straw man argument, yours is no exception.

My father was a mechanic, he taught me many things, I've lost count of how many engines and gearboxes (manual) that I have rebuilt. But I don't call myself a mechanic.

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Carantoc said..

... and the self-serving belief they have some sort of increased personal worth to society over say a plumber or a nurse.

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remery said..

Comments that start with "So..." usually end up. With a straw man argument, yours is no exception.

So good to have you back Remery.

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remery said..
My father was a mechanic, he taught me many things, I've lost count of how many engines and gearboxes (manual) that I have rebuilt. But I don't call myself a mechanic.

Hey remery,

Maybe you should have said :

So....., my father was a mechanic, he taught me many things........

A few months ago I presented to an amateur scientific group. I talked about how the things I learned thinking critically to solve automotive mechanical problems has served me well in science. But I'm sure Carantoc knows all about this talk.

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fangman said..
I prefer the one that doesn't end with a mass suicide. Just sayin'...

So you sayin' people who follow the scientific method are in a cult ?

No.
But kudos for that Murdoch journo level of skewed inference.

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D3 said..
Carantic: Most of the plumbers I know use scientific methods to diagnose faults in plumbing systems.

But not all of them?
Maybe that's why Remerys scientists don't respect all plumbers?

Argh arh. Critical thinkin' D3, keep it critical.

On the contary to your analysis remery said most of the scientist he knows repect plumbers, not that the scientists he knows respect most plumbers.

Where as I said most of the plumbers I know use science.......

Hence you could deduce some plumbers I know do not follow scientific principals in diagnosing faults. Where-as remery's scientists don't distinguish whether a plumber is legit or not, they just don't respect them anyway.

Maybe those scientists have only encountered dodgy, unscientific plumbers?

Or maybe remery just isn't as accurate with his language on internet forums, just so pedants like you can have an opportunity to pick it apart

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Pcdefender said..
University or uni verse / one narrative only taught there.

You do not need to be initiated into a cult all you have to do is blindly accept the narrative in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.
...
She is retraining as a medical administrator.

Material or health it came down to and she was clearly the exception to the rule.

Just reminding you that all of those medical professionals who made sure you didn't lose your leg... studied at a university. But then what do you care when you mooched $5,865 from the windsurfing community.

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Pcdefender said..
University or uni verse / one narrative only taught there.

You do not need to be initiated into a cult all you have to do is blindly accept the narrative in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.
...
She is retraining as a medical administrator.

Material or health it came down to and she was clearly the exception to the rule.

Just reminding you that all of those medical professionals who made sure you didn't lose your leg... studied at a university. But then what do you care when you mooched $5,865 from the windsurfing community.

I wonder if the boat driver went to Uni?

I went to Uni, but I don't remember being told 'this is how you must think' or 'this is the answer'. Everything was, 'here, this is how this works, now hand in an assignment showing you understand it'. At least with programming, they taught you some part of coding and then asked you to solve a problem using it.

I wonder if people that went to university ever think it was somehow corrupt?

Just because no one likes to hear about the wind in the windsurfing/kiting parts of this forum; has anyone noticed the seabreezes we are getting in WA. If this keeps up all season... it would be awesome. Except The Pond has turned into a true pond meaning that it will be overloaded with nutcases that think they deserve to do whatever they want.

Anyone got an excavator and a few days spare?

Now, back to critical thinking.

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remery said..

Pcdefender said..
University or uni verse / one narrative only taught there.

You do not need to be initiated into a cult all you have to do is blindly accept the narrative in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.
...
She is retraining as a medical administrator.

Material or health it came down to and she was clearly the exception to the rule.

Just reminding you that all of those medical professionals who made sure you didn't lose your leg... studied at a university. But then what do you care when you mooched $5,865 from the windsurfing community.

I just looked up the mention of this on the forum back in 2019. Good to hear that PM33 is obviously healed up as it would have been a pretty traumatic incident. It seems that he had a mobile phone back in those days according to the comments.

Someone on the go-fund-me made a donation and said this:

"Big Pharma
$500 6 yrs
This way it will cost less to pump PM33 full of our drugs than a monkey. But we might learn as much.
"

Reading about it again, I can confidently say that I would rather not have the accident and forfeit the $5,865. I am sure everyone would feel the same.