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psychojoe said..
After you failed to accept that I had vaccine induced chest pain for two years, all of your comments read as unfounded **** posting.

As per Decrepit above, I am not sure who this is aimed at, but I think the point is that safe and effective does NOT mean harmless in every case. Safe and Effective is not an absolute and it is an unrealistic expectation to expect zero post vaccine injury. However in the vast majority, the outcomes are beneficial and possibly life saving. That is not to say there are no possible negative outcomes, rather the number of negative outcomes is very, very small compared to the number of positive outcomes.
For mine, I am sorry to read that your experience with the vaccine(s) wasn't without complication and I hope you continue to heal.

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remery said..
Isn't that latest drivel from Pcdefender a classic "straw man argument"?

Yes.
But I guess it's probably done in jest to somehow enjoy the varying level of vigour of response to each Strawman fallacy. I think the kids thesedays call it trolling.

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cammd .
A sheeple would would dismiss them and follow the narrative.

Which is exactly what you are doing.

Sit down, be quiet, and leave the thinking to the experts.

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fangman said..

As per Decrepit above, I am not sure who this is aimed at, but I think the point is that safe and effective does NOT mean harmless in every case. Safe and Effective is not an absolute and it is an unrealistic expectation to expect zero post vaccine injury. However in the vast majority, the outcomes are beneficial and possibly life saving. That is not to say there are no possible negative outcomes, rather the number of negative outcomes is very, very small compared to the number of positive outcomes.
For mine, I am sorry to read that your experience with the vaccine(s) wasn't without complication and I hope you continue to heal.

Like the covid vaccine, seat belts are safe and effective for the vast majority. But sometimes they result in harm.

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Yes, I know there are conspiracies, and the nutters may just get one correct.
But I'm afraid I just ignore anything from PC

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Sometimes as in 140 000 reports of harm to our own TGA database.

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who is this aimed at??? I accept completely that your problems were probably due to your vaccine shot.

I would have said "possibly due to", people have been suffering unexpected onset of chest pain long before the covid vaccine came along.

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Pcdefender said..
Sometimes as in 140 000 reports of harm to our own TGA database.

You keep bringing that up and I keep knocking it down like my favourite game Whackamole.

It's a pity you are incapable of reading, comprehending and digesting simple concepts. I suggest you go back to school and start with learning about numbers. I think in grade 5 they use marbles to explain units and tens. If you try really hard you might get your head around it. Then you can move on to reading and comprehension. Don't give up, there's a smart person inside you somewhere. It just needs a chance to flourish.

Repeat there are 140 000 reports to the TGA so far.

These are reports of harm made online as i understand from individuals and some from medics.

Some have reported more than one injury so the number of people reporting is less than the 140 K.

Most who suffer never report their harm to the TGA database.

The figures are off the charts horrendous.

Safe and effective we were repeatedly told.

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psychojoe said..
After you failed to accept that I had vaccine induced chest pain for two years, all of your comments read as unfounded **** posting.

who is this aimed at??? I accept completely that your problems were probably due to your vaccine shot.

Definitely someone other than you.
Thanks

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cammd .
A sheeple would would dismiss them and follow the narrative.

Which is exactly what you are doing.

Sit down, be quiet, and leave the thinking to the experts.

I am a bit confused about this 'sheeple' thing and I think I missed the point. Herd behaviour is one of the most success strategies in nature to avoid predation. That is, it's the lone sheep that gets eaten. But from what I gather, there are proponents for the lone sheep strategy. I am obviously missing something. Anyone care to point a cognisant argument for me?

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psychojoe said..
After you failed to accept that I had vaccine induced chest pain for two years, all of your comments read as unfounded **** posting.

As per Decrepit above, I am not sure who this is aimed at, but I think the point is that safe and effective does NOT mean harmless in every case. Safe and Effective is not an absolute and it is an unrealistic expectation to expect zero post vaccine injury. However in the vast majority, the outcomes are beneficial and possibly life saving. That is not to say there are no possible negative outcomes, rather the number of negative outcomes is very, very small compared to the number of positive outcomes.
For mine, I am sorry to read that your experience with the vaccine(s) wasn't without complication and I hope you continue to heal.

Thanks Fangman.
I just updated the nurse last week that I now consider myself completely healed.

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psychojoe said..

fangman said..

psychojoe said..
After you failed to accept that I had vaccine induced chest pain for two years, all of your comments read as unfounded **** posting.

As per Decrepit above, I am not sure who this is aimed at, but I think the point is that safe and effective does NOT mean harmless in every case. Safe and Effective is not an absolute and it is an unrealistic expectation to expect zero post vaccine injury. However in the vast majority, the outcomes are beneficial and possibly life saving. That is not to say there are no possible negative outcomes, rather the number of negative outcomes is very, very small compared to the number of positive outcomes.
For mine, I am sorry to read that your experience with the vaccine(s) wasn't without complication and I hope you continue to heal.

Thanks Fangman.
I just updated the nurse last week that I now consider myself completely healed.

Excellent. The human machine is phreaking awesome.

This site has all sorts of comparisons. Of course they are drawn with 'their' data so dismiss at will. Hopefully it will you some of a background as to why the marketing peeps came up with Safe and Effective.
ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status

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Pcdefender said..
Repeat there are 140 000 reports to the TGA so far.

These are reports of harm suffered some from individuals and some from medics.

Some have reported more than one injury so the number of people reporting is less than the 140 K.

Most who suffer never report their harm to the TGA database.

The figures are off the charts horrendous.

Safe and effective we were repeatedly told.

And you have evidence that most people who suffer never report their harm to the TGA database? Remember grade 5 numbers are important. Adding is easy, subtraction more difficult. Division... well you have no hope.

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I am a bit confused about this 'sheeple' thing and I think I missed the point. Herd behaviour is one of the most success strategies in nature to avoid predation. That is, it's the lone sheep that gets eaten. But from what I gather, there are proponents for the lone sheep strategy. I am obviously missing something. Anyone care to point a cognisant argument for me?

Much like those Antarctic penguin sheeple who evolved to cluster together and avoid freezing to death.

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psychojoe said..

Thanks Fangman.
I just updated the nurse last week that I now consider myself completely healed.

From what?

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fangman said..
This site has all sorts of comparisons. Of course they are drawn with 'their' data so dismiss at will. Hopefully it will you some of a background as to why the marketing peeps came up with Safe and Effective.
ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status

This is a good post that might help Pcdefender, who is obviously confused about numbers and the English language among other things.

Basically the orange line is unvaccinated idiots, ie Pcdefender, dying of covid. And the blue line is smart people, ie me, not dying.

Have I got that right?

Harvard report reveals CDC's VAERS captures (totalityofevidence.com)


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Pcdefender said..
Harvard report reveals CDC's VAERS captures (totalityofevidence.com)


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Argumentum secundum imagine.

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Pcdefender said..
Harvard report reveals CDC's VAERS captures

The world has quite a few stupid people, who should be avoided. And there are really stupid people, who should be avoided at all costs.

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I am a bit confused about this 'sheeple' thing and I think I missed the point. Herd behaviour is one of the most success strategies in nature to avoid predation. That is, it's the lone sheep that gets eaten. But from what I gather, there are proponents for the lone sheep strategy. I am obviously missing something. Anyone care to point a cognisant argument for me?

Are you an idiot!?? You clearly haven't been reading the correct memes!

Sheep AND People. Get it! Sheep follow each other, and the portmanteau of 'sheeple' clearly shows that these are stupid people following each other.

Of course, it is not quite clear if conspiracy theorists are creating their own irony with this 'slur' but who needs to look at these things too deeply?

I think if we weren't 'herd' people, we wouldn't have evolved much past the swinging from trees bit, let alone speech, upright walking, larger brains, and all that other jazz.

Again, please don't apply logic to this. 'Sheep and People' = Sheeple. It's as clever as we get.

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remery said..

Pcdefender said..
Harvard report reveals CDC's VAERS captures

The world has quite a few stupid people, who should be avoided. And there are really stupid people, who should be avoided at all costs.

Group two creeps into group three, imbeciles.

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fangman said..
I am a bit confused about this 'sheeple' thing and I think I missed the point. Herd behaviour is one of the most success strategies in nature to avoid predation. That is, it's the lone sheep that gets eaten. But from what I gather, there are proponents for the lone sheep strategy. I am obviously missing something. Anyone care to point a cognisant argument for me?

Are you an idiot!?? You clearly haven't been reading the correct memes!

Sheep AND People. Get it! Sheep follow each other, and the portmanteau of 'sheeple' clearly shows that these are stupid people following each other.

Of course, it is not quite clear if conspiracy theorists are creating their own irony with this 'slur' but who needs to look at these things too deeply?

I think if we weren't 'herd' people, we wouldn't have evolved much past the swinging from trees bit, let alone speech, upright walking, larger brains, and all that other jazz.

Again, please don't apply logic to this. 'Sheep and People' = Sheeple. It's as clever as we get.

Astounding! Thanks FN. I will try to look at the words with the sheep pictures when I see them next time, I usually just fall asleep counting the sheep.
(Oh and all the same, just sending off my complaint about calling me an idiot)

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decrepit said..

Yes, I know there are conspiracies, and the nutters may just get one correct.
But I'm afraid I just ignore anything from PC

I hope you enjoy living in THEIR 15 minute cities otherwise known as open air prisons when they come to fruition by stealth.

I guess if its going to stop climate change; lol.

Bill Gates the master or expert on everything seemingly........he is a scientist, expert on vaccines, expert on their theory of man made global warming - you name it this guy is an expert.

Is there anything this puppet is not an expert in?

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remery said..

Pcdefender said..
Harvard report reveals CDC's VAERS captures (totalityofevidence.com)


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Argumentum secundum imagine.

Thinking of fact checking the source....don't bother.



lol
You can make this s**t up. Again.
Anyhoo, I am almost too afraid to ask, but what's the issue the CT mob have with a 15 minute city? Is it something to do with herding sheep?

Why don't they claim the wins they actually got?

It was because of some observed signals in monitoring systems like VAERS that the Astra Zeneca and J&J vaccines were limited or removed from use.

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fangman said..

remery said..

Pcdefender said..
Harvard report reveals CDC's VAERS captures (totalityofevidence.com)


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Argumentum secundum imagine.

Thinking of fact checking the source....don't bother.



lol
You can make this s**t up. Again.
Anyhoo, I am almost too afraid to ask, but what's the issue the CT mob have with a 15 minute city? Is it something to do with herding sheep?

From Wikipedia:
The 15-minute city is an urban planning concept in which most daily necessities and services, such as work, shopping, education, healthcare, and leisure can be easily reached by a 15-minute walk, bike ride, or public transit ride from any point in the city.This approach aims to reduce car dependency, promote healthy and sustainable living, and improve wellbeing and quality of life for city dwellers.

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fangman said..

FormulaNova said..

fangman said..
I am a bit confused about this 'sheeple' thing and I think I missed the point. Herd behaviour is one of the most success strategies in nature to avoid predation. That is, it's the lone sheep that gets eaten. But from what I gather, there are proponents for the lone sheep strategy. I am obviously missing something. Anyone care to point a cognisant argument for me?

Are you an idiot!?? You clearly haven't been reading the correct memes!

Sheep AND People. Get it! Sheep follow each other, and the portmanteau of 'sheeple' clearly shows that these are stupid people following each other.

Of course, it is not quite clear if conspiracy theorists are creating their own irony with this 'slur' but who needs to look at these things too deeply?

I think if we weren't 'herd' people, we wouldn't have evolved much past the swinging from trees bit, let alone speech, upright walking, larger brains, and all that other jazz.

Again, please don't apply logic to this. 'Sheep and People' = Sheeple. It's as clever as we get.

Astounding! Thanks FN. I will try to look at the words with the sheep pictures when I see them next time, I usually just fall asleep counting the sheep.
(Oh and all the same, just sending off my complaint about calling me an idiot)

In my defence I was asking if you were an idiot. I hope you didn't think I was actually calling you one

The only idiot I know is the one typing this into the laptop right now.

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remery said..

cammd .
A sheeple would would dismiss them and follow the narrative.

Which is exactly what you are doing.

Sit down, be quiet, and leave the thinking to the experts.

Experts like you , pretty sure all your critical thinking is outsourced to Aunty.