Ummm...Did you watch that video at all? He is pretty clear about what the PCR method does and it how it can be misinterpreted, even back in the early 1990's.
PCR is not a test. Go to the 3:11 timestamp.
PCR is a method for taking a small sample of genetic material, and multiplying many times over so it can be analysed.

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Pcdefender said..
I tend not to comply with coercion so no experimental; shots for me.

The inventor of the PCR test is on record as saying it does not test for a virus.

Really? He spoke from the grave?!

Kary Mullis, the Nobel prize winning biochemist who invented the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) method, died on 07 August 2019 before the first case of covid was identified.

He is on record stating EXACTLY what i said.

I must be missing something. I just watched the video a few times, and I can't find where he said the words exactly "PCR does not test for virus" Perhaps you could give the timestamp?
He does patiently explain how is methodology can be used ad infinitum to amplify a very small dna/rna sample and that can be misinterpreted if taken out of context.

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Just smart alec come backs.

Nothing smart Alec about masks being dirty and restricting oxygen intake just plain and simple facts.

Because anecdotes are the gold standard for evidence. One of my oldest friends wears a mask 8-10 hours a day, and has done so for 30 years. He still competes in Ironman events at an international level. Imagine how awesome he would be if he wasn't so oxygen deprived!
lol

So you are saying then they do not deprive the body of oxygen?

No. Again, you are implying that I did.
However, the evidence from peer-reviewed research indicates that wearing a mask does not deprive the body of oxygen or cause carbon dioxide buildup.

So you believe their evidence or do you believe your own commonsense?

Anyone with so much as an ounce of commonsense who is not in denial knows that placing a barrier over your gob restricts oxygen intake.

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So you believe their evidence or do you believe your own commonsense?

The two are not mutually exclusive.
Can you please explain to me how do you think people who live at higher altitudes survive?

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Anyone with so much as an ounce of commonsense who is not in denial knows that placing a barrier over your gob restricts oxygen intake.

Are you sure you are using the mask and not the plastic bag it came in?
If an oxygen atom were the size of a 2 grains of sand, the mesh in a surgical mask would be comparable to something about the size of Uluru.
Anecdotally and observably, people say Uluru is really big compared to a couple of grains of sand.

At the height of their fear campaign there was a sporting club in Perth who refused members and guests access to their weekly club night unless they could show proof of having taken their experimental injections.

My unvaxxed friend who was a regular there told me this last night and added he has not returned since and that the club has been struggling for their usual numbers.

I guess you reap what you sow.

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Anyone with so much as an ounce of commonsense who is not in denial knows that placing a barrier over your gob restricts oxygen intake.

I'm with you on this one PM33!

Clearly the use of a mask does not allow you to expel all the CO2 from your system and the mask infact holds it there for you to re-breathe it. Obviously an issue, you would agree. How could you function if you are rebreathing all this CO2??

But don't let it stop there. In most people, the CO2 can't get all the way out of their lungs and a significant amount remains in their trachea. It then gets re-breathed into the lungs.

I think we all need tracheotomies to reduce the impact of excess CO2. I am pretty sure that the volume we are talking about is more than the volume in the face mask, so it only makes sense.

Imagine how much better we would function if we all had tracheotomies and gained that extra oxygen uptake?

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The two are not mutually exclusive.
Can you please explain to me how do you think people who live at higher altitudes survive?

I spent some time in the Himalayas, twice as high as Kosciuszko but only about halfway the altitude of Everest. Apart from a headache it was all good. I could even see some curvature from up there.

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At the height of their fear campaign there was a sporting club in Perth who refused members and guests access to their weekly club night unless they could show proof of having taken their experimental injections.

My unvaxxed friend who was a regular there told me this last night and added he has not returned since and that the club has been struggling for their usual numbers.

I guess you reap what you sow.

Yep, defo time for another anecdotal diversion. No point in rehashing all 'their' sciencey fact stuff that doesn't agree with the narrative.

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Anyone with so much as an ounce of commonsense who is not in denial knows that placing a barrier over your gob restricts oxygen intake.

Incorrect, it may reduce the airflow.
How much by, depends on what it is.

If you can breathe in through whatever it, the oxygen will be getting through.

You might need to work a little bit harder to get a lungful? But, generally the material of the mask is only small enough catch droplets and small particles. If you want something that can filter out O2? You're going to have to get more sciencey and it's going to be a fair bit more expensive.

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ok,so you point blank refuse to answer a yes or no question - i get it.

That's usually your shtick, you are famous on here for nit answering questions.

Generally just asking even more questions yourself, while ignoring your questioner

Brace yourselves, he's going to report the size of a virus vs the mask aperture.

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Brace yourselves, he's going to report the size of a virus vs the mask aperture.

No need. There was Danmask. The mask mandates did more harm to the likes of pcd than they did good for the whole of society. It was an epidemiological miss step.

Hmmmm....

Here's a question for those who think social distancing, mask mandates, travel restrictions and lockdowns should not be used for controlling airborne viral pandemics.

What should we do instead?

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No need. There was Danmask. The mask mandates did more harm to the likes of pcd than they did good for the whole of society. It was an epidemiological miss step.

That not what Kerryn Phelps says, and anti-vax loons just love Kerryn Phelps.

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Hmmmm....

Here's a question for those who think social distancing, mask mandates, travel restrictions and lockdowns should not be used for controlling airborne viral pandemics.

What should we do instead?

Use a Sharpie.

Lightweight or gaff rigged?

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Hmmmm....

Here's a question for those who think social distancing, mask mandates, travel restrictions and lockdowns should not be used for controlling airborne viral pandemics.

What should we do instead?

Oh dear. The fault in your question is that it suggests the virus was controlled. Nearly everyone has had it, that's not a great level of control in return for the level of suffering by many.
Making masks available was reasonable, forcing them was the overreach.
Lockdowns; never! Way too much damage. You can ask the Feds what happened during lockdown.
Travel restrictions created naive populations who suffered later when the virus finally hit. It's not ok to deny a human the right to return home. I'm still dealing with the fallout from this one.
Social distancing, my kid's school principal still bumps elbows instead of shaking hands while in a room with 300 people because he learnt virology from the people that brought us social distancing. Oh, brother.

For some informed tips on how to approach a pandemic, why not consult a leading epidemiologist like Prof. John Ioannidis, his predictions about Covid were only out by around a factor of 2, whereas the guidance we followed was out by a factor of 50.

Thanks for the response.

So, in your opinion. Given what we knew at the time:

Would what you're suggesting have controlled the virus at all?

Because we got a good look at how that would play out in real life after travel restrictions in Australia were removed.

I understand Prof Ioannidis tried to get some early, clear understanding of how the virus might affect the USA. But his strongly suggested!l "likely lost in the noise of the seasonal influenza" prediction was clearly off the mark. It matched his study results but not what other countries were witnessing

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Because we got a good look at how that would play out in real life after travel restrictions in Australia were removed.

I understand Prof Ioannidis tried to get some early, clear understanding of how the virus might affect the USA. But his strongly suggested!l "likely lost in the noise of the seasonal influenza" prediction was clearly off the mark. It matched his study results but not what other countries were witnessing

After the travel restrictions were removed I was able to return home and return to work. Everyone I know including both vaccinated and unvaccinated got Covid and survived. So your assertion that removing travel restrictions was a winning move is validated.

Japanese are renowned for following rules and guidelines. That's why all the passengers survived that plane fire recently.

How do the anti-vax/mask loons explain that deaths per million in Japan are less than a quarter of the USA?

USA ranked #14 - 3,642 deaths per million.
Australia #108 - 937 deaths per million
Japan ranked #129 - 595 deaths per million.

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D3 said..
Because we got a good look at how that would play out in real life after travel restrictions in Australia were removed.

I understand Prof Ioannidis tried to get some early, clear understanding of how the virus might affect the USA. But his strongly suggested!l "likely lost in the noise of the seasonal influenza" prediction was clearly off the mark. It matched his study results but not what other countries were witnessing

After the travel restrictions were removed I was able to return home and return to work. Everyone I know including both vaccinated and unvaccinated got Covid and survived. So your assertion that removing travel restrictions was a winning move is validated.

I'm just wondering if anyone has figured out how Australia would have faired if we'd had 10 million + cases over that first winter?

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Hmmmm....

Here's a question for those who think social distancing, mask mandates, travel restrictions and lockdowns should not be used for controlling airborne viral pandemics.

What should we do instead?

At the onset of the pandemic I was growing mushrooms quite seriously.

A sterile environment is a critical factor when preparing Petri dishes. It has to be done at minimum in front of a fan forced HEPA filter which are usually 3 micron. Mold spores are the bane of mushroom growing industry and extreme care is a priority. Plenty of polyp propyl alcohol , Heat sterilisation of implements and sterilisation of medium at 120psi for one and a half hours.

A 3 micron filter will remove 99.9% of mold spores. It is very hard to achieve a 100% success with Petri dishes.

An airborne virus is going to sail through the same filter. That's it.

So the chance of a mask providing protection is slim to say the least.

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An airborne virus is going to sail through the same filter. That's it.

So the chance of a mask providing protection is slim to say the least.

Even with the cold or flu viruses, I have assumed that the droplets you see that spray out of people's mouths are a method of transmission. Clearly masks block those.

What I am not sure of is if the human mouth produces airborne virusses that are smaller than 3 microns. Sure, the virus may be smaller than that, but what about the droplet it is carried in?

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An airborne virus is going to sail through the same filter. That's it.

So the chance of a mask providing protection is slim to say the least.

Except that the virus rarely goes out alone, it's usually hitching a ride inside a drop of drool or snot.

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D3 said..
Because we got a good look at how that would play out in real life after travel restrictions in Australia were removed.

I understand Prof Ioannidis tried to get some early, clear understanding of how the virus might affect the USA. But his strongly suggested!l "likely lost in the noise of the seasonal influenza" prediction was clearly off the mark. It matched his study results but not what other countries were witnessing

After the travel restrictions were removed I was able to return home and return to work. Everyone I know including both vaccinated and unvaccinated got Covid and survived. So your assertion that removing travel restrictions was a winning move is validated.

I'm just wondering if anyone has figured out how Australia would have faired if we'd had 10 million + cases over that first winter?

We've had more than 10 million cases. It's fine. Life goes on. Some people died.

Indeed, unlike mold spores a virus needs the protection of a media to survive exposure outside the body.

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How do the anti-vax/mask loons

You just cannot stop yourself.