170cmx65cm, 111ltr.
I unfortunately scared the wind away, so will report back later on performance....
Stoked Mitch at CarbonCo could deliver what I think is the right board for me
Long tracks top and bottom. Plenty of float to get home. Flat bottom and sharp rails for easy release.
More later

Very nice Jayson.
Think you will be very happy.
Shame about the wind, nothing worse than picking up a new board with no sigh of session.
Keep us posted with settings you end up with, particularly with the SAB 769

Mr Keen sweet looking board hope the wind delivers for you,nice to see all these custom freeride shapes everyone is trying.2Keen thanks for posting about how you went with the 175mm strap spread on your new board I have been fussing with the straps on my 115 SS as I just started to ride it late last fall, center line felt ok but I felt maybe just a little more outboard would be better for my style never thought about going wider than the standard wave board spacing. Yes it makes going strap to strap so much easier sometimes it's just hard to teach an old dog new tricks

Simon, Thanks for sharing the pics, dims and notes on your progression and logic.
Mr Keen, That board looks SIC and it all makes good sense for your goals. I think your gonna be stoked!
Ya'll are making we want to start another one. I am trying to focus on sailing now that spring has sprung but I can't help but want to keep tinkering with the shapes and construction details.

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Mr Keen, That board looks SIC and it all makes good sense for your goals. I think your gonna be stoked!

Stoked now I have had 2 sessions on it
Uphauls easily in chop due to plenty of thickness UJ to tail.
First session 8-12 knots max on Sab899, gets going earlier than my old FoilX125.
Second session on WO940 gusty 12 knots ish.
Settings; have kept the geometry of front straps to UJ the same as I had on FoilX125 (12cm). Have moved foil mast 6cm closer and placed rear strap on top of mast (65cm mast to UJ). WOW!! Point it to where you want to go and it does it. Added bonus, no more fear of catching the swell in front of me on the gybes due to short nose. On the few gybes I touched the swell in front it bounced straight back up.
Now bring the wind

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170cmx65cm, 111ltr.
I unfortunately scared the wind away, so will report back later on performance....
Stoked Mitch at CarbonCo could deliver what I think is the right board for me
Long tracks top and bottom. Plenty of float to get home. Flat bottom and sharp rails for easy release.
More later

Very cool board. Love the thickness.

I tested the light wind ability of my Mark-Oz custom today and was very pleasantly surprised. First I was not sure that such a short board would handle a 6.4 with my weight on it but it was fine, didn't feel excessively large and the weight of the sail didn't sink the short nose when sloggin. I only had my 900 span 960 cm front wing and again very surprised I could get it flying in 12 knots at my weight...in winter kit I would be nudging the 100kg mark. This board and foil I have used in a solid 30knots gusting to over 40 and today in 12 knots, what an amazing range, I am so close to a 1 board 1 foil wing combo to get me right through the full range of conditions, very impressive.

^^^ Great to hear but - lets acknowledge that it is Mr Love's design.

(and that the slightly smaller proto is for sale )

Mark
MOzCustoms
42 Daly St
South Freo WA

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Mark _australia said..
^^^ Great to hear but - lets acknowledge that it is Mr Love's design.

(and that the slightly smaller proto is for sale )

Mark
MOzCustoms
42 Daly St
South Freo WA

Great designs are of less value without great execution. Also, acknowledging the contributions of collaborative partners is a class act. You both bring much to this community.

Old board, new colors

Very nice!!!!!

Two ideas in the pix to experiment with geometry before taking the plunge and cutting/drilling into the board.

The rear bogs down a little too much when I'm trying to get planing with small foils.
Thinking I might not need extra float/volume just maybe small wings to increase planing area?
Will wings work at semi-planing speeds or just sink?

Since you asked... Interesting thought. They'll work to promote lift but I'd do cut outs instead. The potential issue is that you will get the opposite effect of cutouts on touchdowns, a lot more "lift" from the board when you aren't really needing it. Plus, I wouldn't think wings on something the size of a foilboard will contribute much in the way of volume - maybe a few liters - vs what a wider tail with even a deep cutout would offer. Just because the rear would be wider, doesn't mean you have to use it but a wider tail is handy for getting back to the top of the ski slope.

Wings do provide more area to provide lift but also have most of the tail taper which allows the water flow to come back together more easily in non-planing conditions.

Now, motorized retractable wings would be pretty cool.

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Mark _australia said..
^^^ Great to hear but - lets acknowledge that it is Mr Love's design.

(and that the slightly smaller proto is for sale )

Mark
MOzCustoms
42 Daly St
South Freo WA

Comparison of the Slingshot 125 and the Moz 127, Moz slightly narrower and shorter, 2l more volume. Red markings are Mastbase, Front Footstrap holes and position of tuttle box. I always sailed the Slingshot with foil in same position as tuttle and Sail Mast in middle of mast box.

Now using the "black" markings, footstraps in front holes, mast a little forward of centre and foil mast about 6 or 7cm forward of tuttle.


When (if) should I move the foil mast back or forward? So far feels pretty balanced in that position but last few days have been so overpowered its hard to tell. Use Simmer Blackbird foils 1100, 920 and 720.

All felt good but wondered when using the 720 overpowered if I should move the track.My smallest sail is a 3.7 and that has been too big two days in a row now.A few days ago it was light wind and getting up on the foil seemed easier but Im not very good at comparing things.

I did try the setup without footstraps first and ended up on these settings feeling good.


Had the old rear straps from the slingshot (hardly used) so put them on to this board.

Flat is fast
For myself the wide tail doesn't affect anything as with touchdowns the chubby boards bounce right back up.
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I only use a 3.7 sail with low aspect ratio wings for craving the swells ( Like riding a bike cruiser in a skateboard park from the late 70s ).
With all the volume in the rear this helps with pumping in lite winds. When I pump the board I get it to bounce witch makes it lift off on the rebound....
I build then fast and dirty (---- It's just a launch platform---- )this is my new ride for Baja..............

THE BULLET

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Mark _australia said..
^^^ Great to hear but - lets acknowledge that it is Mr Love's design.

(and that the slightly smaller proto is for sale )

Mark
MOzCustoms
42 Daly St
South Freo WA

Comparison of the Slingshot 125 and the Moz 127, Moz slightly narrower and shorter, 2l more volume. Red markings are Mastbase, Front Footstrap holes and position of tuttle box. I always sailed the Slingshot with foil in same position as tuttle and Sail Mast in middle of mast box.

Now using the "black" markings, footstraps in front holes, mast a little forward of centre and foil mast about 6 or 7cm forward of tuttle.


When (if) should I move the foil mast back or forward? So far feels pretty balanced in that position but last few days have been so overpowered its hard to tell. Use Simmer Blackbird foils 1100, 920 and 720.

All felt good but wondered when using the 720 overpowered if I should move the track.My smallest sail is a 3.7 and that has been too big two days in a row now.A few days ago it was light wind and getting up on the foil seemed easier but Im not very good at comparing things.

I did try the setup without footstraps first and ended up on these settings feeling good.


Had the old rear straps from the slingshot (hardly used) so put them on to this board.

Sweet. I am a bit confused by the red and black markings, red = wizard and black = Moz?

Re track positions. My experience has been that smaller/faster foils give more front foot pressure so you may want to move universal forward a bit or move foil mast back a bit if lifting too much. I find myself so the reverse though (ie when on big foils I I shim the stab) to get the same FFP without shortening the sail to foil distance.as too short a distance makes things unstable for me

Happy with my DIY wings - planes 10-20% easier to aid getting up on small foils with small sails (550cm2, 190cm2 and 3.4m in first 2 pix below)
Stability when uphauling increased 10-20%
Don't notice the weight increase (about 1/2 kg) when in the air

Stoked - now I'll get a lot more use of this board

Wings seem to work
Pumping up with a 2.8m wavesail

So for all you people rockin' the customs, what would you buy if you had to buy production? (TIA)

Great job
what were the original dimensions ?
Did you just fiberglass the wings to the skin or added some structural reinforcement?
Do you have any pictures of the building?
Do you ever feel the need to put the back foot there when pushing upwind ?

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BullroarerTook said..
So for all you people rockin' the customs, what would you buy if you had to buy production? (TIA)

I got the Foilstyler 93 to compliment my custom 111ltr for stronger wind. Performs much the same but is a little more nimble.
Nice clean looking mods JJ

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BullroarerTook said.. So for all you people rockin' the customs, what would you buy if you had to buy production? (TIA)

Later model Slingshots- just don't get it hot.

Severne- but check that goretex often.

Tabou - very good in the Carbon innegra

NOT recent JP, the dents n bubbles from just light normal use is astounding (older full wood was fine. New LXT is a disgrace with 2mm god-knows-what sandwich up front)
Maybe NOT Naish hover, tracks broke for a few years. Might be good now though.

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BullroarerTook said..
So for all you people rockin' the customs, what would you buy if you had to buy production? (TIA)

Severn Predator 110... with tracks
Does that make it a custom?

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powersloshin said.. Great job what were the original dimensions ?

It the board this thread is originally about

Dunno if I think his work is great, or hurt that he modified my custom

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2keen said..
Severn Predator 110... with tracks
Does that make it a custom?

And I am more than happy to run a router thru a brand new board for him too

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2keen said..

BullroarerTook said..
So for all you people rockin' the customs, what would you buy if you had to buy production? (TIA)

Severn Predator 110... with tracks
Does that make it a custom?

Got one

Thanks guys. My current ride is a Fanatic Stingray 115 and there's nothing really wrong with it, but I'm getting a wandering eye. I had a Foilstyler 103, but over development along the SF Bay shoreline makes it too problematic too often. I sold it to thedoor who weighs 5 ~ 10 kegs less and he flies it like it deserves. I prefer boards with tracks, and I hate gortex plugs. (I had an early Simmer that blew up on me.) FWIW, I'm on fanatic/Duotone foils.

thedoor has offered a test trial of a Wizard 114, so I'll try that. Gwarn's Bullet looks like a bigger version of that to a large extent, so it can't be all bad.

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BullroarerTook said..
Thanks guys. My current ride is a Fanatic Stingray 115 and there's nothing really wrong with it, but I'm getting a wandering eye. I had a Foilstyler 103, but over development along the SF Bay shoreline makes it too problematic too often. I sold it to thedoor who weighs 5 ~ 10 kegs less and he flies it like it deserves. I prefer boards with tracks, and I hate gortex plugs. (I had an early Simmer that blew up on me.) FWIW, I'm on fanatic/Duotone foils.

thedoor has offered a test trial of a Wizard 114, so I'll try that. Gwarn's Bullet looks like a bigger version of that to a large extent, so it can't be all bad.

I recently picked up a Goya Airbolt at 50% off. I would highly recommend. Great shape, geometry, and seems much more durable than Severne Alien that didn't last 3 summers. They're in 90, 105, 120, 135.

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Severne- but check that goretex often.

check it how? Or it should be replaced after a couple of years?

^^^ Wash religiously with fresh water (*in situ not removing) to prevent salt buildup
Change every season.
Still don't cook it like you could with an open manual vent as I just had a brand new goretex from the best brand NOT vent at all
Board hiss in 30deg is not great - thinking about 60 to 80deg in your car hmmmmm