I don't mind them trying to give it away first. It's better than all the mooring minders that are going for 20-30k that will need more than that to get them seaworthy again.

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r13 said..
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If you have a Moth or NS14 mast and mainsails laying about you have the ideal makings for a gentlemans single hander. The NS14 association had a single handed division years ago where they used old NS14 hulls as singlehanders. The mast was moved forward about 300mm. The association promoted this spin off class for a couple of seasons and they came down and competed in the local marathon in the Shoalhaven. They actually sailed quite well and certainly much more comfortable than the lasers. The Finns easily beat them but mostly because they seemed to lose ground out of the tacks. Lots of leeway initially. The high aspect centreboards in the NS14 case was a bit awkward for single handers as well.

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r13 said..
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If you have a Moth or NS14 mast and mainsails laying about you have the ideal makings for a gentlemans single hander. The NS14 association had a single handed division years ago where they used old NS14 hulls as singlehanders. The mast was moved forward about 300mm. The association promoted this spin off class for a couple of seasons and they came down and competed in the local marathon in the Shoalhaven. They actually sailed quite well and certainly much more comfortable than the lasers. The Finns easily beat them but mostly because they seemed to lose ground out of the tacks. Lots of leeway initially. The high aspect centreboards in the NS14 case was a bit awkward for single handers as well.

Yep, the NS singlehanders were lovely boats but only as fast as a Laser which was surprising. Stu Friezer (top NS designer) thought they may have just been too bulky but your point about the CB being so high aspect is a very good one. The Finn, Phantom and some other singlehanders that are bigger seem to have more grunt (ie beam or inertia) and the OK has a low aspect centreboard. The Impulse is very much like a Tasar-era NS in hull shape but much smaller in volume and has a small centreboard.

? Solid Old Ship ?

- But sort out mooring first !

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www.gumtree.com.au/web/listing/sail-boats/1334957471

Nicholson 32 with mooring. Headsail furler and Bukh diesel. 10 grand!

Hot August Night. There has been a price reduction and a few really nice photos added. There are plenty of other excellent photos online.


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There's a Zeston 40 for sale atm (can't post a link due to being a new member). I've read the limited info available on this and the 36, speaking of their relatively good sailing performance. I'm wondering if this is very relative given their weight and size of rig. Has anyone spent a lot of time on these? Is the engine coming on under 15 knots from anywhere aft? Seems too good to be true if what I've read is to be believed, however the 36's that have sold recently certainly have the price of an impressive yacht.

2 very good value 24fters over the west, especially the F727 - can't buy lunch for that............
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/swarbrick-24-mb/313845
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/farr-727/328603
7.9m Peterson at Pittwater - never heard of the broker - supposed to be more photos coming but the ads been up a while - probably too busy selling houses or doing the books for end of the financial year. Needs a bit of metal gleam and 2 pack paint and kiwigrip. If it was a fractional rig it would be perfect.
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There's a Zeston 40 for sale atm (can't post a link due to being a new member). I've read the limited info available on this and the 36, speaking of their relatively good sailing performance. I'm wondering if this is very relative given their weight and size of rig. Has anyone spent a lot of time on these? Is the engine coming on under 15 knots from anywhere aft? Seems too good to be true if what I've read is to be believed, however the 36's that have sold recently certainly have the price of an impressive yacht.

I've sailed a 36 with nice sails once or twice and from vague memory it was probably a bit quicker overall than a Cole 35/S&S 34/UFO 34 etc and given its motorsailer aspect, definitely a nice performer. There was a 40 hull with different deck that was IMS rated about as fast as a Northshore 38/Swarbrick S111/fast Farr 1104 and I think it was normally mid pack on rating when we raced it; it was Ok when it did the Hobart, where it finished with the Northshore 38s and an 1104 right on schedule. I'm not sure if it had the standard rig but from what I can recall it wasn't too much bigger than the standard rig if at all. So the basic hull shape is as clean and quick as you'd expect from Joe, given the role, displacement and longish keel.

However, both those boats would almost certainly have had good folding/feathering props. From memory the 40 had decent club racing sails and the 36 had top-line fast cruising sails (ie Hood or North with padded luff genoa, full batten main in good dacron or something else top line for the time. With their fairly high wetted surface and probably moderate ballast ratio one would expect the Zestons to suffer significantly if they were mutilated with a saggy baggy roller reefing genoa and a fixed prop or something.

A lot of the time those '80s motor-sailers would probably sail a lot better than many of the modern fat and high "cruiser/racers"! :-)

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2 very good value 24fters over the west, especially the F727 - can't buy lunch for that............
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/swarbrick-24-mb/313845
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/farr-727/328603
7.9m Peterson at Pittwater - never heard of the broker - supposed to be more photos coming but the ads been up a while - probably too busy selling houses or doing the books for end of the financial year. Needs a bit of metal gleam and 2 pack paint and kiwigrip. If it was a fractional rig it would be perfect.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/peterson/328415

I think HAN has your name written all over it.

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r13 said..
2 very good value 24fters over the west, especially the F727 - can't buy lunch for that............
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/swarbrick-24-mb/313845
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/farr-727/328603
7.9m Peterson at Pittwater - never heard of the broker - supposed to be more photos coming but the ads been up a while - probably too busy selling houses or doing the books for end of the financial year. Needs a bit of metal gleam and 2 pack paint and kiwigrip. If it was a fractional rig it would be perfect.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/peterson/328415

I think HAN has your name written all over it.

HAN? Home area network? P Hanson speak "please explain"?

Hot August Night, scroll up.

Great thanks JonE - sorry Chris you are absolutely right except for my timeline and the in-line spreaders hence runners rig and the Hobart location - I was focused on the 3 ~24fters of my last post. Yes HAN is a brilliant yacht and I hope someone takes it over soon.

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LarryR said..
There's a Zeston 40 for sale atm (can't post a link due to being a new member). I've read the limited info available on this and the 36, speaking of their relatively good sailing performance. I'm wondering if this is very relative given their weight and size of rig. Has anyone spent a lot of time on these? Is the engine coming on under 15 knots from anywhere aft? Seems too good to be true if what I've read is to be believed, however the 36's that have sold recently certainly have the price of an impressive yacht.

I've sailed a 36 with nice sails once or twice and from vague memory it was probably a bit quicker overall than a Cole 35/S&S 34/UFO 34 etc and given its motorsailer aspect, definitely a nice performer. There was a 40 hull with different deck that was IMS rated about as fast as a Northshore 38/Swarbrick S111/fast Farr 1104 and I think it was normally mid pack on rating when we raced it; it was Ok when it did the Hobart, where it finished with the Northshore 38s and an 1104 right on schedule. I'm not sure if it had the standard rig but from what I can recall it wasn't too much bigger than the standard rig if at all. So the basic hull shape is as clean and quick as you'd expect from Joe, given the role, displacement and longish keel.

However, both those boats would almost certainly have had good folding/feathering props. From memory the 40 had decent club racing sails and the 36 had top-line fast cruising sails (ie Hood or North with padded luff genoa, full batten main in good dacron or something else top line for the time. With their fairly high wetted surface and probably moderate ballast ratio one would expect the Zestons to suffer significantly if they were mutilated with a saggy baggy roller reefing genoa and a fixed prop or something.

A lot of the time those '80s motor-sailers would probably sail a lot better than many of the modern fat and high "cruiser/racers"! :-)

So the rumours are true. Very surprising the 40 was on par with the NS 38 etc. Thanks for the info that's all very interesting.

I sailed on a boat with runners and a square top main on the weekend. Two words. The second is "that" as in "that for a game of soldiers".

So glad I dodged that bullet.

That's a whole lot of trailer sailer for the money!

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That's a whole lot of trailer sailer for the money!

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Will add the links soon I hope...........IT problem - Intentional Turmoil

A blast from the past. Sorry but don't believe a Gazelle 30 was ever designed or launched. Gazelle 26 for sure see here;

johncrawfordmarine.com.au/advice/trailer-sailer/gazelle-26/229-gazelle-26-review/file

This advert indicates 26 but slips in 30ft - not sure why........

www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1990-gazelle-26/SSE-AD-18463782/

Imho this is a 26fter but certainly agree it is still a whole lot of trailer sailer for the money.

? Better option,with wider stern + swing keel ?
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I sailed on the very first Zeston 40 just after launch, back in '82. I was doing work experience with Joe Adams. Loved my 2 week s in the Adams office, and it cured me of wanting to be a NA... ;)

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I sailed on the very first Zeston 40 just after launch, back in '82. I was doing work experience with Joe Adams. Loved my 2 week s in the Adams office, and it cured me of wanting to be a NA... ;)

Interesting. So you loved the 2 weeks but got cured of the profession? I enquired of Joe by letter about the Adams 8 immediately it came out in the early 80s when I sailed against one of the first A8s "Popeye" out of MHYC and he responded with a wonderful hand written letter. I was crewing on a Sonata 8 and the difference in the two boats was stark especially inshore with not much swell. So what "cured you"?

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Interesting. So you loved the 2 weeks but got cured of the profession?

Yeah, I really enjoyed the thought of being a naval architect, but it was pointed out to me that at the time there was very small chances of actually making money designing sailboats...

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r13 said..
Interesting. So you loved the 2 weeks but got cured of the profession?

Yeah, I really enjoyed the thought of being a naval architect, but it was pointed out to me that at the time there was very small chances of actually making money designing sailboats...

Ok thanks yes for clarification I certainly agree.

Floating Tent = Fun ?

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yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/marauder-27/332241

Here's an odd one.

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Here's an odd one.

Very cool, not sure where they'll put the mast hehe

This was a for sale boat, till a good mate bought it yesterday.
Hanse 508, 2020 build, only 120 hours on the engine. Was purchased by a charter mob in Greece just in time for Covid. Aside from the weathering on the teak, it's almost a brand new boat. Got it way less than the asking price to boot.

Plan is to leave it in Greece for a season or two before sailing it back to Oz. I've already booked my seat for the Southern Ocean part of the delivery, I'll leave it to others to do the swanning around the Greek Isles thingy.

quite nice...for a mono.

hope your mate has factored in the 5 + 10% = 15% import tax, at customs deemed valuation. takes some of the shine off buying outside Oz and importing

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PacificStar said..
quite nice...for a mono.

hope your mate has factored in the 5 + 10% = 15% import tax, at customs deemed valuation. takes some of the shine off buying outside Oz and importing

Add to that the cost of shipment prior to GST and duty. When we imported ours, I enquired about the liability of sailing it rather than shipping it. I was surprised to find out that the cost of the transit, even if you sail it, was factored in before the application of duty and taxes.
We worked out that we would wear out a set of sails to bring it home, as well as provisioning, wear and the numerous border entry fees etc for any stops on the way home. I ended up going under deck on a RoRo. The fact that the boat was still shiny and everything brand new when she first kissed local waters and no real tax break was a big influence on my decision making.

Whilst searching S&S I spotted this, lol. Hey, the title of the thread is interesting, not affordable !
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