Bit of a project but maybe some of the S80 enthusiasts in Melbourne may find a cheap haul and restore it to its full glory.

www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/rushcutters-bay/sail-boats/2000-s80-8-m-yacht/1323474042

The market must be dead!

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/valiant-40/307954

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Ramona said..
The market must be dead!

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/valiant-40/307954

I had not heard of them before. Seems like a great boat.

I reckon the issue is multifaceted:

1. Old larger boats are selling at discount compared to old smaller boats. I guess people worry about cost of ownership.

2. The interiors of those larger boats are looking too cavernous for the average buyer.

3. Double enders are not everyone's taste.

But equally importantly: the photos.

A hint for selling owners is: stop using your mobile phone / camera flash and instead get yourself a small lamp that can provide some indirect light. The photos in the add above do not do the boat any justice

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trixpan said..

Ramona said..
The market must be dead!

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/valiant-40/307954

I had not heard of them before. Seems like a great boat.
I reckon the issue is multifaceted:
1. Old larger boats are selling at discount compared to old smaller boats. I guess people worry about cost of ownership.
2. The interiors of those larger boats are looking too cavernous for the average buyer.
3. Double enders are not everyone's taste.

I reckon the price reflects the online osmosis reputation of the valiant 40's rather then the state of the market.

For example :

www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f47/valiant-40-the-blister-boat-years-246689-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well there are three things you will have to accept in order to think intelligently about this:
1) Valiants in the blister serial range have and always will have very poor resale regardless of their current condition
2) There is no reliable long-term repair
3) The problems are structural and serious and cannot be ignored indefinitely; these boats require haulout and blister repairs on an ongoing but unpredictable basis
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There were American YouTubers sailing around the world in one going under the channel entitled "sailing brick house"and there is an episode when they were in South Africa about fixing their osmosis. Unfortunately the poor fellow died in the first year of covid of covid in South Africa and his wife continued the channel until recently

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Ramona said..
The market must be dead!

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/valiant-40/307954

take more than a bottle of metal gleam to bring that one up to scratch

Yes , definitely yet a proper camera/lighting + sunny day .

Robert Perry is quite active on sailing anarchy and he probably knows this boat.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valiant_40
The market has definitely taken a dive and its pretty much all sizes. As usual, the high-end boats seem to be doing well. Mate picked up an exceptionally fitted-out Farr 37 yesterday for peanuts!

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Ramona said..
The market must be dead!

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/valiant-40/307954

I've had discussions with the broker and even reached out to Bob Perry himself yesterday, receiving a very terse response to what he perceived as a request for free advice. If not for his regular 'free' comments and advice on the Sailing Anarchy forums, I would not have contacted the grump.

Anyway, this boat is hull number 1 and, therefore , not one of the run of Valiants built with the fire-retardant chemicals which caused the severe osmosis problems.

From what I know, the boat sat neglected for many years in north Queensland. Sustained water ingress through leaking portlights and deck hardware has caused the interior to be pretty much completely rotten.

What is of bigger concern, though, is that the deck is cored and perhaps it is rotten too?? I would imagine that would be a monumental (impossible??) undertaking to repair.

Ahoj
Long time out of yacht. Any advice on this one please


www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/endurance-38/309689

Endurance 35 but with the bowsprit added to the length. Probably for marina fees. Needs a lot of varnish work but is reasonably priced. Used as a motorsailer it would be a nice cruiser.

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Charriot said..
Ahoj
Long time out of yacht. Any advice on this one please


www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/endurance-38/309689

Got to try that shipyard, he documents and charges less for the Apprentice labour. A rare thing.

If you buy the Endurance please remove the stern cage, those boats can be made to look good.

Too big for me to handle but may interest someone here.
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/kelly-peterson-44/310362

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Woohoo said..
Too big for me to handle but may interest someone here.
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/kelly-peterson-44/310362

Lovely looking boat and reasonable value. The engine listed in the ad is a Yanmar but it's clearly a Perkins. A Perkins with rubber hoses and quality hose clamps. Some clamps need doubling up but it's good to see an engine bay without plastic hoses!

A quite popular boat around this forum

www.facebook.com/groups/566833633334697/permalink/26511456015112437/?sale_post_id=26511456015112437&mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

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trixpan said..
A quite popular boat around this forum

www.facebook.com/groups/566833633334697/permalink/26511456015112437/?sale_post_id=26511456015112437&mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

Probably the plug for the production boat.

Not enough details but the price is in line with the risk

www.facebook.com/groups/865531703533693/permalink/7360964533990345/?sale_post_id=7360964533990345&mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

How would these stack up against each other, I know there's some die-hard s & s fans here but no clouded judgement lol

From my perspective they seem like similar boats , just interested if anything is greatly reduced or improved in either design (performance wise, or ocean going capabilities) compared with one another?

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/sparkman-stephens-39/310182





yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/hallberg-rassy-38/310176

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0llie said..
How would these stack up against each other, I know there's some die-hard s & s fans here but no clouded judgement lol

From my perspective they seem like similar boats , just interested if anything is greatly reduced or improved in either design (performance wise, or ocean going capabilities) compared with one another?

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/sparkman-stephens-39/310182





yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/hallberg-rassy-38/310176

Out of curiosity, why you chose that particular S&S 39 instead of

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/sparkman-stephens-39-offshore-coastal-cruiser-or-club-racer/301648

Or is your question a generic question about one boat design vs another?

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trixpan said..

0llie said..
How would these stack up against each other, I know there's some die-hard s & s fans here but no clouded judgement lol

Out of curiosity, why you chose that particular S&S 39 instead of

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/sparkman-stephens-39-offshore-coastal-cruiser-or-club-racer/301648

Or is your question a generic question about one boat design vs another?

General question trixpan

The s & s stack up well with robust reviews and definitely get mentioned here on this forum and others by experienced sailors.

I just noticed how similar the halburg rassy looked ?

Maybe they sail complete different, maybe they don't.

Maybe there's another boat design out there similar to an s &s design that's just as safe and robust.....


I'm looking for a quality safe boat I can venture afar, just had a newborn so looking for something in that size range that's all

Another yacht you might want to consider is the S&S 36 built by Prestige Yachts WA. They are extremely tough yachts.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/sparkman-stephens-36/304756

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I'm looking for a quality safe boat I can venture afar, just had a newborn so looking for something in that size range that's all

I would lean towards the Hallberg Rassey design for a voyaging yacht, I think its geared more towards voyaging then the SS which looks like it is more of a coastal cruiser racer to me.

The SS hasn't got sufficient tankage for a start. No photos of the interior but I am guessing its not as nice as the Hallberg inside which looks to still be in pretty good order.

But the Hallberg isn't 139K , straight up its needs rigging 10K, sails look pretty cooked and would need replacing, 15k or get a sewing machine so you can do repairs. So the Hallberg is now 160kish but probably its closer to 200K before your satisfied its suitable to go offshore with a newborn. 45 year old teak decks are a concern as well.

I think the SS will be cheaper upfront and possibly to own and maintain but not as comfortable to live in and "venture afar" as the Hallberg

I think the purchase price of the Hallberg reflects the work it needs, if you brought it up to scratch for under 200K that would probably still be a reasonable price for that quality of boat and she would have a lot of new equip on her ready to go voyaging again.

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0llie said..




I'm looking for a quality safe boat I can venture afar, just had a newborn so looking for something in that size range that's all

I would lean towards the Hallberg Rassey design for a voyaging yacht, I think its geared more towards voyaging then the SS which looks like it is more of a coastal cruiser racer to me.

The SS hasn't got sufficient tankage for a start. No photos of the interior but I am guessing its not as nice as the Hallberg inside which looks to still be in pretty good order.

But the Hallberg isn't 139K , straight up its needs rigging 10K, sails look pretty cooked and would need replacing, 15k or get a sewing machine so you can do repairs. So the Hallberg is now 160kish but probably its closer to 200K before your satisfied its suitable to go offshore with a newborn. 45 year old teak decks are a concern as well.

I think the SS will be cheaper upfront and possibly to own and maintain but not as comfortable to live in and "venture afar" as the Hallberg

I think the purchase price of the Hallberg reflects the work it needs, if you brought it up to scratch for under 200K that would probably still be a reasonable price for that quality of boat and she would have a lot of new equip on her ready to go voyaging again.

This is going to be a bit of a surprise to Jon Sanders. He started off with a few circumnavigations in an SS34 but then switched to an SS39 for a few more!
The Hallberg Rassey's are delightful inside but I would go for the best all rounder personally. I would love an SS39 but I'm too old. It's worth reading how Jon Sanders managed his SS39, he is no spring chicken!

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Ramona said..

cammd said..

0llie said..




I'm looking for a quality safe boat I can venture afar, just had a newborn so looking for something in that size range that's all

I would lean towards the Hallberg Rassey design for a voyaging yacht, I think its geared more towards voyaging then the SS which looks like it is more of a coastal cruiser racer to me.

The SS hasn't got sufficient tankage for a start. No photos of the interior but I am guessing its not as nice as the Hallberg inside which looks to still be in pretty good order.

But the Hallberg isn't 139K , straight up its needs rigging 10K, sails look pretty cooked and would need replacing, 15k or get a sewing machine so you can do repairs. So the Hallberg is now 160kish but probably its closer to 200K before your satisfied its suitable to go offshore with a newborn. 45 year old teak decks are a concern as well.

I think the SS will be cheaper upfront and possibly to own and maintain but not as comfortable to live in and "venture afar" as the Hallberg

I think the purchase price of the Hallberg reflects the work it needs, if you brought it up to scratch for under 200K that would probably still be a reasonable price for that quality of boat and she would have a lot of new equip on her ready to go voyaging again.

This is going to be a bit of a surprise to Jon Sanders. He started off with a few circumnavigations in an SS34 but then switched to an SS39 for a few more!
The Hallberg Rassey's are delightful inside but I would go for the best all rounder personally. I would love an SS39 but I'm too old. It's worth reading how Jon Sanders managed his SS39, he is no spring chicken!

I didn't say the SS wasn't capable, its just doesn't look as comfortable as the Hallberg. Just my opinion is all but I would choose the Hallberg design over the SS design for liveaboard voyaging with a family.

I guess that's why you have an SS design and I have a centre cockpit cruiser similar to the Hallberg, we each make our own choices

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0llie said..
How would these stack up against each other, I know there's some die-hard s & s fans here but no clouded judgement lol

From my perspective they seem like similar boats , just interested if anything is greatly reduced or improved in either design (performance wise, or ocean going capabilities) compared with one another?

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/sparkman-stephens-39/310182





yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/hallberg-rassy-38/310176

Out of curiosity, why you chose that particular S&S 39 instead of

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/sparkman-stephens-39-offshore-coastal-cruiser-or-club-racer/301648

Or is your question a generic question about one boat design vs another?

That's actually my boat that's on the market now. Blue S&S39 "Kinya J". I'm happy to answer any questions. It's priced to sell quickly and a well proven live aboard and cruising boat. Also has done a couple of Sydney to Hobarts (Boss Bluebottle) and sails great as a club racer.

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I think the SS will be cheaper upfront and possibly to own and maintain but "not as comfortable to live in" and "venture afar" as the Hallberg

No yacht smaller than a super tanker is comfortable to live in and even they are borderline.

A few cheapies up in paradise.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/swanson-32/302325

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/steinman-31/310173

This Cole 40 looks like the real thing, in ally too.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/cole-40-cole-40-multi-chine/293418

cammd said..

I think the SS will be cheaper upfront and possibly to own and maintain but "not as comfortable to live in" and "venture afar" as the Hallberg

All relative, to me anyway. My partner may differ.

Less work =
more energy
More free time
More money (for repairs)
Annnd .........More sailing

The ocean draws a certain crowd and most sailors I'm sure would want a bit of the above

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0llie said..
cammd said..

I think the SS will be cheaper upfront and possibly to own and maintain but "not as comfortable to live in" and "venture afar" as the Hallberg

All relative, to me anyway. My partner may differ.

Less work =
more energy
More free time
More money (for repairs)
Annnd .........More sailing

The ocean draws a certain crowd and most sailors I'm sure would want a bit of the above

all good, buy what suits you, I just offered an opinion because you asked

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cisco said..
A few cheapies up in paradise.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/swanson-32/302325

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/steinman-31/310173

This Cole 40 looks like the real thing, in ally too.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/cole-40-cole-40-multi-chine/293418

That Cole 40 is a pearler but like Ramona I am now too long in the tooth. Never heard of a Cole 40 or hard chine Cole design. Maybe built by Steve Ward over there the alum genius yacht boat builder leading up to Bond's 12 metres? Am sure by now the time of this posting it has been sold.