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cisco said..

cammd said..

I think the SS will be cheaper upfront and possibly to own and maintain but "not as comfortable to live in" and "venture afar" as the Hallberg

No yacht smaller than a super tanker is comfortable to live in and even they are borderline.

I'm curious to know why Jon Sanders moved from a 34 to a 39, I'm betting the 39 was more comfortable.

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cammd said..

0llie said..
cammd said..

I think the SS will be cheaper upfront and possibly to own and maintain but "not as comfortable to live in" and "venture afar" as the Hallberg

All relative, to me anyway. My partner may differ.

Less work =
more energy
More free time
More money (for repairs)
Annnd .........More sailing

The ocean draws a certain crowd and most sailors I'm sure would want a bit of the above

all good, buy what suits you, I just offered an opinion because you asked

All valid points cammd thanks for your input


That s&s 36 Cisco threw up looks the goods

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saltiest1 said..

trixpan said..

0llie said..
How would these stack up against each other, I know there's some die-hard s & s fans here but no clouded judgement lol

From my perspective they seem like similar boats , just interested if anything is greatly reduced or improved in either design (performance wise, or ocean going capabilities) compared with one another?

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/sparkman-stephens-39/310182





yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/hallberg-rassy-38/310176

Out of curiosity, why you chose that particular S&S 39 instead of

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/sparkman-stephens-39-offshore-coastal-cruiser-or-club-racer/301648

Or is your question a generic question about one boat design vs another?

That's actually my boat that's on the market now. Blue S&S39 "Kinya J". I'm happy to answer any questions. It's priced to sell quickly and a well proven live aboard and cruising boat. Also has done a couple of Sydney to Hobarts (Boss Bluebottle) and sails great as a club racer.

Lovely looking boat but well out my budget unfortunately

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0llie said..

saltiest1 said..

trixpan said..

0llie said..
How would these stack up against each other, I know there's some die-hard s & s fans here but no clouded judgement lol

From my perspective they seem like similar boats , just interested if anything is greatly reduced or improved in either design (performance wise, or ocean going capabilities) compared with one another?

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/sparkman-stephens-39/310182





yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/hallberg-rassy-38/310176

Out of curiosity, why you chose that particular S&S 39 instead of

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/sparkman-stephens-39-offshore-coastal-cruiser-or-club-racer/301648

Or is your question a generic question about one boat design vs another?

That's actually my boat that's on the market now. Blue S&S39 "Kinya J". I'm happy to answer any questions. It's priced to sell quickly and a well proven live aboard and cruising boat. Also has done a couple of Sydney to Hobarts (Boss Bluebottle) and sails great as a club racer.

Lovely looking boat but well out my budget unfortunately

OK tell me if I'm wrong here.....

When they were brand new, it might have be worth making a comparison between the relative merits of those boats.

But if you're really at the price range where 85K negotiable is too much, then we're in a different game I'm afraid.

Who cares whether one went 10% better to windward when it was brand new, because if you manage to pick the one with a motor that's not knackered, a hull that's still sound, sails that aren't shagged and a rig that doesn't need replacing then that's the one you buy, because that's the only seaworthy boat you can afford.

And you're going to need to look at 5 to 10 boats to find that boat.

Jon

Looks like good value for venturing far and wide

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/meta-expedition/310447

and this one, got all the gear

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/pocock-11-58-38ft/310261

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JonE said..

0llie said..

saltiest1 said..

trixpan said..

0llie said..
How would these stack up against each other, I know there's some die-hard s & s fans here but no clouded judgement lol

From my perspective they seem like similar boats , just interested if anything is greatly reduced or improved in either design (performance wise, or ocean going capabilities) compared with one another?

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/sparkman-stephens-39/310182





yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/hallberg-rassy-38/310176

Out of curiosity, why you chose that particular S&S 39 instead of

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/sparkman-stephens-39-offshore-coastal-cruiser-or-club-racer/301648

Or is your question a generic question about one boat design vs another?

That's actually my boat that's on the market now. Blue S&S39 "Kinya J". I'm happy to answer any questions. It's priced to sell quickly and a well proven live aboard and cruising boat. Also has done a couple of Sydney to Hobarts (Boss Bluebottle) and sails great as a club racer.

Lovely looking boat but well out my budget unfortunately

OK tell me if I'm wrong here.....

When they were brand new, it might have be worth making a comparison between the relative merits of those boats.

But if you're really at the price range where 85K negotiable is too much, then we're in a different game I'm afraid.

Who cares whether one went 10% better to windward when it was brand new, because if you manage to pick the one with a motor that's not knackered, a hull that's still sound, sails that aren't shagged and a rig that doesn't need replacing then that's the one you buy, because that's the only seaworthy boat you can afford.

And you're going to need to look at 5 to 10 boats to find that boat.

Jon

I must've looked at 15 to 20 before I found this one. Was a good find.

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cammd said..
Looks like good value for venturing far and wide

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/meta-expedition/310447

The Meta didn't last long, I thought it was well priced and highly desirable.

Think the game might have changed!
just pick the one with the newest rig!
Had a few people ask me lately for a view on replacement rig quotes on older production boats
Over 300% increase since 2018 for very similar rig in one instance ($37 000 for replacement mast and boom on an early 1980s production 30 footer )

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EastCoastSail said..

cammd said..
Looks like good value for venturing far and wide

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/meta-expedition/310447

The Meta didn't last long, I thought it was well priced and highly desirable.

There was a Aluminium Radford for sale when I was looking, had a pilot house and well set up for cruising but looked a little neglected from the photos. It was a lot cheaper (50% less) than the one I bought so I had serious interest. It was a private sale (no broker), an out of the way location that may have made getting an out of water survey difficult and the vendors mate (who was the contact) took days to respond with minimal info.

So all that put me off but the thing that scared me the most was buying a second hand aluminium boat, particularly if the previous owner was less than fastidious. A neglected aluminum boat could have a lot of hidden problems. A new aluminium boat is a different story, very desirable.

I love the look of this little Yamaha 25.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/yamaha-25-mkii/308929

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jbarnes85 said..
I love the look of this little Yamaha 25.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/yamaha-25-mkii/308929

Yes it is a total mystery to me why this has not sold by now.

A fractionally rigged and very optimised version of this yacht in the same hull geometry (but I expect not build scantlings.......) won the 1/4 ton cup in Japan 1978 where the breeze was >45kts and seas > 10ft in some races and a lot more in some other web links...........Chris and Lydia will chime in.....

rbsailing.blogspot.com/2015/09/quarter-ton-cup-1978.html

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jbarnes85 said..
I love the look of this little Yamaha 25.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/yamaha-25-mkii/308929

Yes they are a pretty little boat.
I remember looking at one of these with my dad in the early/ mid 70s and being very impressed with the internal innovative space utilisation. They were also beautifully finished like everything that Yamaha makes.
From the pictures however I'm not sure what the big crack behind the porta- loo is or if it relates to anything structural.

Not for sale but assumed dumped. Was in a tenants yard but after the tenants moved out this was left on the side of the road. No rego on trailer or boat.
Any idea what type of yacht, looks like it would have been fast in its day. Dagger bulb keel and open transom makes it look like a racing yacht. Really poor condition so I guess it may be up to the council to get it removed.

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airsail said..
Not for sale but assumed dumped. Was in a tenants yard but after the tenants moved out this was left on the side of the road. No rego on trailer or boat.
Any idea what type of yacht, looks like it would have been fast in its day. Dagger bulb keel and open transom makes it look like a racing yacht. Really poor condition so I guess it may be up to the council to get it removed.

Looks like it could be a Spider 28

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airsail said..
Not for sale but assumed dumped. Was in a tenants yard but after the tenants moved out this was left on the side of the road. No rego on trailer or boat.
Any idea what type of yacht, looks like it would have been fast in its day. Dagger bulb keel and open transom makes it look like a racing yacht. Really poor condition so I guess it may be up to the council to get it removed.











Somebody please post this on Trailersailer place with the address so that it has a chance to be rescued before the council takes it to the tip.

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airsail said..
Not for sale but assumed dumped. Was in a tenants yard but after the tenants moved out this was left on the side of the road. No rego on trailer or boat.
Any idea what type of yacht, looks like it would have been fast in its day. Dagger bulb keel and open transom makes it look like a racing yacht. Really poor condition so I guess it may be up to the council to get it removed.

In Scarborough, on the Redcliffe Peninsula.
I've seen it in two locations over the past few days.

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Woohoo said..

airsail said..
Not for sale but assumed dumped. Was in a tenants yard but after the tenants moved out this was left on the side of the road. No rego on trailer or boat.
Any idea what type of yacht, looks like it would have been fast in its day. Dagger bulb keel and open transom makes it look like a racing yacht. Really poor condition so I guess it may be up to the council to get it removed.

In Scarborough, on the Redcliffe Peninsula.
I've seen it in two locations over the past few days.

Currently parked at the bottom of James St on Prince Edward Ave, saw it in Osbourne St before for a short period.

www.facebook.com/share/jSh1mYwshvQfew4g/?mibextid=kL3p88

Ben Lexcen Viking 30 for sale.. thoughts/info? Curious is all, I'm more than happy with my Endeavour 26!

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/fred-barrett-36-performance-racer-cruiser-new-rigging-excellent-electronics-many-upgrades/310800
this looks like a weapon

au.boats.com/sailing-boats/1995-garcia-imoca-60-8922556/

Good value Scampi 30

www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mooloolaba/sail-boats/30-foot-scampi-yacht/1324982369

For serious trailer sailer enthusiasts.

www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/beldon/sail-boats/trailer-sailer-windrush-wildfire-23-ft-/1324835026

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JonE said..
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/fred-barrett-36-performance-racer-cruiser-new-rigging-excellent-electronics-many-upgrades/310800
this looks like a weapon

The mast, winches and sails are worth considerably more than the asking price of the whole boat and that's without the instruments.

It's strange that as soon as timber is mentioned the boat takes a big price hit yet most fiberglass yachts have a balsa core anyway.

I guess to be fair I wouldn't buy the yacht because it requires periodic painting whereas a true fiberglass yacht should have a gelcoat finish that should last four + times as long as paint.

There are also definitely accommodation compromises to be paid for the extra speed but looks to be excellent buying for the right person.

It's not timber per-se, it's ply decks, and at a fraction over 3 ton it's built very light for 36 foot.

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julesmoto said..

JonE said..
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/fred-barrett-36-performance-racer-cruiser-new-rigging-excellent-electronics-many-upgrades/310800
this looks like a weapon

The mast, winches and sails are worth considerably more than the asking price of the whole boat and that's without the instruments.

It's strange that as soon as timber is mentioned the boat takes a big price hit yet most fiberglass yachts have a balsa core anyway.

I guess to be fair I wouldn't buy the yacht because it requires periodic painting whereas a true fiberglass yacht should have a gelcoat finish that should last four times as long as paint.

There are also definitely accommodation compromises to be paid for the extra speed but looks to be excellent buying for the right person.

The paint would be a two pot polyurethane and better than any gelcoat!

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Ramona said..

julesmoto said..

JonE said..
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/fred-barrett-36-performance-racer-cruiser-new-rigging-excellent-electronics-many-upgrades/310800
this looks like a weapon

The mast, winches and sails are worth considerably more than the asking price of the whole boat and that's without the instruments.

It's strange that as soon as timber is mentioned the boat takes a big price hit yet most fiberglass yachts have a balsa core anyway.

I guess to be fair I wouldn't buy the yacht because it requires periodic painting whereas a true fiberglass yacht should have a gelcoat finish that should last four times as long as paint.

There are also definitely accommodation compromises to be paid for the extra speed but looks to be excellent buying for the right person.

The paint would be a two pot polyurethane and better than any gelcoat!

Possibly, although that assumes that it has been perfectly applied everywhere on a perfectly prepared surface which doesn't seem to be the case on a lot of boats I have viewed.

Composite western red cedar would suggest epoxy strip plank , which intern would suggest epoxy glued planks, if one was to extrapolate that a tad further one could assume epoxy glass sheath and an epoxy paint system. Just my 2 bobs worth

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woko said..
Composite western red cedar would suggest epoxy strip plank , which intern would suggest epoxy glued planks, if one was to extrapolate that a tad further one could assume epoxy glass sheath and an epoxy paint system. Just my 2 bobs worth

Correct. The two pot paint would also be waterproof versus gelcoat which is not with out polish.

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woko said..
Composite western red cedar would suggest epoxy strip plank , which intern would suggest epoxy glued planks, if one was to extrapolate that a tad further one could assume epoxy glass sheath and an epoxy paint system. Just my 2 bobs worth

mmmmmm epoxy

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/philip-rhodes/309101

I like traditional lines