Fjord MS33 Motor Sailer,
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/east-devonport/sail-boats/fjord-ms33-motor-sailer/1201481209?utm_source=com.google.android.apps.docs&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_android

I think they built power boats from the start , it is intresting a collectors item .but is it ready to go cruising?

Another lovely boat. Great for cold climates like Tassie and Scandinavia. Limited cockpit space also good for ocean passage making, but would it suit Queensland?

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southace said..
I think they built power boats from the start , it is intresting a collectors item .but is it ready to go cruising?

Perhaps not. Interesting all the same.

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Yara said..
Another lovely boat. Great for cold climates like Tassie and Scandinavia. Limited cockpit space also good for ocean passage making, but would it suit Queensland?

Definitely not suited to this stinking climate. I plan on moving to Tassie once my youngest finishes school and both kids are settled. With their dual-citizenship, I can't see them remaining in Oz.
Born and bred Queenslander but I cannot stand it here for 9 months of the year.

For Tassie definitely a pilot house.
Amazing Grace steadily came up to us and passed on west coast of Tassie .Swell was huge .Looking behind it seemed she was the height of our mast when we were in the trough just in front. Anyway, we were in full wets taking the spray every time we crested ,did I say wet and cold,
and Amazing Grace went past really close ,no one on deck .
All the girls in the pilot house holding up coffee cups giving us a wave,
Got my own back ,they retired that night.
Did not have that big awning then

Pretty lady

Wow that definitely looks like a great deal. Some amazing buys around. As a boat owner this a bit of a worry mind you, but luckily I didn't buy a boat to make money (mad but not certifiable yet).

Amazingly I met a guy who had just bought a Chieftan 38 for $6K. (NZ built Bruce Farr design) the boat looked in great condition and had a new Volvo 40hp installed with zero hours. He had his Jarkan 34 on the hard and the owner of the Chieftan was in the next spot. The owner said he was over sailing and wanted to sell, so he bought the Chieftan for %6k and sold his Jarkan for considerably more within weeks.

I'm still stewing as I hauled out in the same yard and it could have been in a my new 38 footer if he hadn't got in first!

Bill

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termite said..
Looks like an interesting fast cruiser. Top designer and great price for a 2013 build.

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/dudley-dix-didi-custom/225951

I had a bit of a look on the Dudley Dix website and there is a lot of good information

What do the forum members thing about ply/epoxy boats

Regards Don

Nice boat looks big in the pics but a little small for a full time livaboard , every inch needs to be fully coated donk and would be fine. Although I do still find areas of epoxy lifting from timber built boats at its age should still be good .

Hi Southace

On the website www.dixdesign.com/34didi.htm it says it is a cruiser racer designed for the occasional cruise so i agree it might be a bit small as a live aboard

It looks like a nicely finished boat though and it would be interesting to see if it is as good in the flesh as it looks in the photo's

Regards Don

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Hi Southace

On the website www.dixdesign.com/34didi.htm it says it is a cruiser racer designed for the occasional cruise so i agree it might be a bit small as a live aboard

It looks like a nicely finished boat though and it would be interesting to see if it is as good in the flesh as it looks in the photo's

Regards Don

It's looks very well fitted out and cared for , it should be a great boat for cruising.

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Wow that definitely looks like a great deal. Some amazing buys around. As a boat owner this a bit of a worry mind you, but luckily I didn't buy a boat to make money (mad but not certifiable yet).

Amazingly I met a guy who had just bought a Chieftan 38 for $6K. (NZ built Bruce Farr design) the boat looked in great condition and had a new Volvo 40hp installed with zero hours. He had his Jarkan 34 on the hard and the owner of the Chieftan was in the next spot. The owner said he was over sailing and wanted to sell, so he bought the Chieftan for %6k and sold his Jarkan for considerably more within weeks.

I'm still stewing as I hauled out in the same yard and it could have been in a my new 38 footer if he hadn't got in first!

Bill

I'm fairly sure the Chieftain I know of isn't a Farr design and doesn't appear on his list of designs?

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Donk107 said..

termite said..
Looks like an interesting fast cruiser. Top designer and great price for a 2013 build.

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/dudley-dix-didi-custom/225951

I had a bit of a look on the Dudley Dix website and there is a lot of good information

What do the forum members thing about ply/epoxy boats

Regards Don

Hi Don, regarding ply epoxy I guess it comes down to quality of material and workmanship just as in any other build. I've owned a Hartley 16 and a heron both with epoxy Dynal sheathing no complaints there, not in the water full time tho. The dingy I've used for the last 4 years is stitch and glue epoxy with Dynal sheath, the only time it's out of the water is occasionally on the davits. The punishment it has endured is heroic.
Allen Lucas boat Solares I believe is ply epoxy and she's been around for while.

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I had a bit of a look on the Dudley Dix website and there is a lot of good information

What do the forum members thing about ply/epoxy boats

Regards Don

Bruce Ritchie's "Revolver" has a core of gaboon ply.

www.mysailing.com.au/boats/revolver-dream-boat-and-build-for-ritchies

My old quarter tonner had a fibreglass deck and cabin molding on a cedar ply hull Dynal sheathed. Not much different to a cored fibreglass hull or a triple diagonal timber and epoxy hull. Just got to keep the water on the outside!

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woko said..

Donk107 said..

termite said..
Looks like an interesting fast cruiser. Top designer and great price for a 2013 build.

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/dudley-dix-didi-custom/225951

I had a bit of a look on the Dudley Dix website and there is a lot of good information

What do the forum members thing about ply/epoxy boats

Regards Don

Hi Don, regarding ply epoxy I guess it comes down to quality of material and workmanship just as in any other build. I've owned a Hartley 16 and a heron both with epoxy Dynal sheathing no complaints there, not in the water full time tho. The dingy I've used for the last 4 years is stitch and glue epoxy with Dynal sheath, the only time it's out of the water is occasionally on the davits. The punishment it has endured is heroic.
Allen Lucas boat Solares I believe is ply epoxy and she's been around for while.

Thought that in fiberglass cold sheeted boats the wood was only there to provide the form and shape (instead of using a plug) and not to contribute to strength or anything. That is why most of the time the used wood layers are thin as only necessary to hold the form of the boat.

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Seebreasy73 said..

woko said..

Donk107 said..

termite said..
Looks like an interesting fast cruiser. Top designer and great price for a 2013 build.

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/dudley-dix-didi-custom/225951

I had a bit of a look on the Dudley Dix website and there is a lot of good information

What do the forum members thing about ply/epoxy boats

Regards Don

Hi Don, regarding ply epoxy I guess it comes down to quality of material and workmanship just as in any other build. I've owned a Hartley 16 and a heron both with epoxy Dynal sheathing no complaints there, not in the water full time tho. The dingy I've used for the last 4 years is stitch and glue epoxy with Dynal sheath, the only time it's out of the water is occasionally on the davits. The punishment it has endured is heroic.
Allen Lucas boat Solares I believe is ply epoxy and she's been around for while.

Thought that in fiberglass cold sheeted boats the wood was only there to provide the form and shape (instead of using a plug) and not to contribute to strength or anything. That is why most of the time the used wood layers are thin as only necessary to hold the form of the boat.

in cold moulded the timber is the structural element the sheathing is a waterproofing membrane designed to keep the timber dry therefore stiffer and lighter and rot resistant dynal is not a structural element at all and is used in combination with epoxy on timber vessels because it allows movement

Here's another take on epoxy ply


All screws were backed out and filled




I cut that sail way too full ! She's actually a really good rowing boat as well

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boty said..

Seebreasy73 said..

woko said..

Donk107 said..

termite said..
Looks like an interesting fast cruiser. Top designer and great price for a 2013 build.

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/dudley-dix-didi-custom/225951

I had a bit of a look on the Dudley Dix website and there is a lot of good information

What do the forum members thing about ply/epoxy boats

Regards Don

Hi Don, regarding ply epoxy I guess it comes down to quality of material and workmanship just as in any other build. I've owned a Hartley 16 and a heron both with epoxy Dynal sheathing no complaints there, not in the water full time tho. The dingy I've used for the last 4 years is stitch and glue epoxy with Dynal sheath, the only time it's out of the water is occasionally on the davits. The punishment it has endured is heroic.
Allen Lucas boat Solares I believe is ply epoxy and she's been around for while.

Thought that in fiberglass cold sheeted boats the wood was only there to provide the form and shape (instead of using a plug) and not to contribute to strength or anything. That is why most of the time the used wood layers are thin as only necessary to hold the form of the boat.

in cold moulded the timber is the structural element the sheathing is a waterproofing membrane designed to keep the timber dry therefore stiffer and lighter and rot resistant dynal is not a structural element at all and is used in combination with epoxy on timber vessels because it allows movement

let us agree to disagree. I think you are talking about laminating wood and I was talking about laying fiberglass (actual cold moulding) on tp of a wood (plywood) frame/shape. In my instance, the wood is not the structural element.

Cold moulding always used to laminations of thin ply layed over a male mould and built up to form a round bilge plywood hull.
usually with a thin layer of glass or dynel to seal it.
Seabreezy sounds like you're describing hand laid glass construction over a male mould.

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stray said..
Cold moulding always used to laminations of thin ply layed over a male mould and built up to form a round bilge plywood hull.
usually with a thin layer of glass or dynel to seal it.
Seabreezy sounds like you're describing hand laid glass construction over a male mould.

Wood always supplies the structural strength and is not always strips of plywood. Dynal is one form of cloth but there are plenty of others used now including carbon fibre and all sorts of flash fibreglass cloths used. Usually several lay ups on the outside and less on the inside. That Carter 37 that was for sale in Bowen is 3 layers of Oregon with 5 layers of cloth on the outside. This nice looking Farr is 2 diagonals of Kauri so I would presume it has more lay ups than a triple diagonal or 4 diagonal build.

www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1847878451.htm

This one is really tempting for composite enthusiasts!

www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1853172121.htm

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Ramona said..

stray said..
Cold moulding always used to laminations of thin ply layed over a male mould and built up to form a round bilge plywood hull.
usually with a thin layer of glass or dynel to seal it.
Seabreezy sounds like you're describing hand laid glass construction over a male mould.

Wood always supplies the structural strength and is not always strips of plywood. Dynal is one form of cloth but there are plenty of others used now including carbon fibre and all sorts of flash fibreglass cloths used. Usually several lay ups on the outside and less on the inside. That Carter 37 that was for sale in Bowen is 3 layers of Oregon with 5 layers of cloth on the outside. This nice looking Farr is 2 diagonals of Kauri so I would presume it has more lay ups than a triple diagonal or 4 diagonal build.

www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1847878451.htm

This one is really tempting for composite enthusiasts!

www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1853172121.htm

Ramona, again, not alway, depends what you are building and for what purpose. Yes, if you are building a light boat, or where you use the fiberglass/resin to waterproof only, that is where you layer across wood to give structural strength. But, where you use the plywood, because it is cheap as a plug, you literarly burry it into the boat. Plywood does not offer structural strength in this case.

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Ramona said..

stray said..
Cold moulding always used to laminations of thin ply layed over a male mould and built up to form a round bilge plywood hull.
usually with a thin layer of glass or dynel to seal it.
Seabreezy sounds like you're describing hand laid glass construction over a male mould.

Wood always supplies the structural strength and is not always strips of plywood. Dynal is one form of cloth but there are plenty of others used now including carbon fibre and all sorts of flash fibreglass cloths used. Usually several lay ups on the outside and less on the inside. That Carter 37 that was for sale in Bowen is 3 layers of Oregon with 5 layers of cloth on the outside. This nice looking Farr is 2 diagonals of Kauri so I would presume it has more lay ups than a triple diagonal or 4 diagonal build.

www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1847878451.htm

This one is really tempting for composite enthusiasts!

www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1853172121.htm

Ramona, again, not alway, depends what you are building and for what purpose. Yes, if you are building a light boat, or where you use the fiberglass/resin to waterproof only, that is where you layer across wood to give structural strength. But, where you use the plywood, because it is cheap as a plug, you literarly burry it into the boat. Plywood does not offer structural strength in this case.

What stray said your describing hand layed glass ! A different kettle of fish to epoxy ply as Don was asking about

What does any of this have to do with 'Interesting boats for sale' which I believe is the title of this thread.

If you wish to argue the semantics of various boat building techniques please go the relevant thread or start a new one.

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Seebreasy73 said..

Ramona said..

stray said..
Cold moulding always used to laminations of thin ply layed over a male mould and built up to form a round bilge plywood hull.
usually with a thin layer of glass or dynel to seal it.
Seabreezy sounds like you're describing hand laid glass construction over a male mould.

Wood always supplies the structural strength and is not always strips of plywood. Dynal is one form of cloth but there are plenty of others used now including carbon fibre and all sorts of flash fibreglass cloths used. Usually several lay ups on the outside and less on the inside. That Carter 37 that was for sale in Bowen is 3 layers of Oregon with 5 layers of cloth on the outside. This nice looking Farr is 2 diagonals of Kauri so I would presume it has more lay ups than a triple diagonal or 4 diagonal build.

www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1847878451.htm

This one is really tempting for composite enthusiasts!

www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1853172121.htm

Ramona, again, not alway, depends what you are building and for what purpose. Yes, if you are building a light boat, or where you use the fiberglass/resin to waterproof only, that is where you layer across wood to give structural strength. But, where you use the plywood, because it is cheap as a plug, you literarly burry it into the boat. Plywood does not offer structural strength in this case.

What stray said your describing hand layed glass ! A different kettle of fish to epoxy ply as Don was asking about

reply was to something else but, I will not argue potatoes and potetos. It is what it is to whomever it is for. Good for them good for me.

Query this morning on CruisersForum on this Steinman 50 in Victoria. Interesting construction, 6 layers of cedar on alloy frames. The inside skin is diagonal so I guess it could be two lots of triple diagonal or maybe a couple of layers run fore and aft. I guess the inside is just epoxy saturated.
Hell of a big boat for the money. Running costs would be high! Loads and weight of everything high!

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/steinman-50/206838

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Ramona said..
Query this morning on CruisersForum on this Steinman 50 in Victoria.
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/steinman-50/206838

Been for sale off and on for a few years. Started out at over double the current asking price. Big volume boat and plenty of potential.

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Been for sale off and on for a few years. Started out at over double the current asking price. Big volume boat and plenty of potential.

People see "Timber" in the construction and switch off!

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Ramona said..
This looks like it might be a lifting keel version! Borrow a trailer and road trip to WA! I wish people would learn to spell correctly, especially in ads.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/palmyra/sail-boats/sourcer-yacht/1202791445

Have to agree about decent spelling! Wouldn't hurt to have some idea on how to take a half decent set of pics as well!

Hi all

So going back to the Didi 34 https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/dudley-dix-didi-custom/225951 assuming she is well built what do you all see as the positives and negatives of her

Regards Don

RM Yachts are interesting sail boats (there you go Loosechange :). Epoxy impregnated ply construction hulls with epoxy sheathing. Light, stiff and strong. I like the concept, ply allows for big gains in stiffness for performance boats it seems.
Construction vid:

Review here are of one model:

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Donk107 said..
Hi all

So going back to the Didi 34 https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/dudley-dix-didi-custom/225951 assuming she is well built what do you all see as the positives and negatives of her

Regards Don

without being negative or positive ......another question would be unlike fg yachts, how many ply yachts are still sitting in the drink after 50 plus years ?