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r13 said..
Realise this forum is not into timber yachts but this is a very sad case..............

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/lexcen-28-ft-yacht-tampico-ll-history-for-sale/325666

That's an excellent buy from one of Australia's best boat builders.

Good news is looks like I'm in the market for a new boat again!

I'm after something like a Farr/Mumm 30 - ideally, it's race focused, big cockpit, asymmetric spinnaker, deep keel...but with the catch being, the missus has set my budget to something in the 30-40k range.

There've been a few good ones about, but they're usually just that little bit higher in price. If anyone knows of something that might not be on the market, would love to hear about it.

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Planeray said..
Good news is looks like I'm in the market for a new boat again!

I'm after something like a Farr/Mumm 30 - ideally, it's race focused, big cockpit, asymmetric spinnaker, deep keel...but with the catch being, the missus has set my budget to something in the 30-40k range.

There've been a few good ones about, but they're usually just that little bit higher in price. If anyone knows of something that might not be on the market, would love to hear about it.

You seen the FARR 30 in Lake Macquarie?

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MAGNESIUM said..

Planeray said..
Good news is looks like I'm in the market for a new boat again!

I'm after something like a Farr/Mumm 30 - ideally, it's race focused, big cockpit, asymmetric spinnaker, deep keel...but with the catch being, the missus has set my budget to something in the 30-40k range.

There've been a few good ones about, but they're usually just that little bit higher in price. If anyone knows of something that might not be on the market, would love to hear about it.

You seen the FARR 30 in Lake Macquarie?

Yeh, been watching it in the hope the price might drop down a bit.

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ACTAndy said..
Bit quiet here lately

what yacht type are you after?

Just 'tyre kicking' at the moment, looking at what works and doesn't work for my next purchase in a couple of years

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Planeray said..
Good news is looks like I'm in the market for a new boat again!

I'm after something like a Farr/Mumm 30 - ideally, it's race focused, big cockpit, asymmetric spinnaker, deep keel...but with the catch being, the missus has set my budget to something in the 30-40k range.

There've been a few good ones about, but they're usually just that little bit higher in price. If anyone knows of something that might not be on the market, would love to hear about it.

PM sent

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Ramona said..
This yacht is on the next mooring. It is absolutely immaculate. However, I'm not keen on the in-mast furling.

www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2013-van-de-stadt-vita-30/SSE-AD-18200849/

Very nice boat - worth buying it and putting on a decent main.

Hi Planeray
You should look at the hardcastle 30 summersault that is for sale
Exactly what you want and about the right price
Probably a better sea boat than the mum although they are awesome
The current owner has been fastidious and it is out of the water at present at Rpayc so could be seen in yard

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alohahugo said..
Hi Planeray
You should look at the hardcastle 30 summersault that is for sale
Exactly what you want and about the right price
Probably a better sea boat than the mum although they are awesome
The current owner has been fastidious and it is out of the water at present at Rpayc so could be seen in yard

No ABS construction sign offs or construction plans so no offshore unless things have changed
so look before you leap

Very Good point
I wasn't aware of that
I guess it depends on your intended use
Will hardcastle still practices up on the central coast so he would be the guy to talk to about plans etc.
He designs the cygnets which are fun boats for raiding etc

Very few are aware - I make this statement after having done considerable research.

You need something from the designer to say that it was designed to ABS and something from the builder to say it was built to ABS to go to Cat 2 or above. Stamped plans would be ideal.

Core samples are not a thing for glass - it's about the layup schedule which, I am told is not possible to retrospectively establish. If anyone knows different, please PM me.

Likely one call to the designer would resolve the question.

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lydia said..

alohahugo said..
Hi Planeray
You should look at the hardcastle 30 summersault that is for sale
Exactly what you want and about the right price
Probably a better sea boat than the mum although they are awesome
The current owner has been fastidious and it is out of the water at present at Rpayc so could be seen in yard

No ABS construction sign offs or construction plans so no offshore unless things have changed
so look before you leap

Meh - not really an issue - mostly just gonna be cat 7 racing in the harbour, maybe sail up to pittwater and back for fun

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JonE said..
Very few are aware - I make this statement after having done considerable research.

You need something from the designer to say that it was designed to ABS and something from the builder to say it was built to ABS to go to Cat 2 or above. Stamped plans would be ideal.

Core samples are not a thing for glass - it's about the layup schedule which, I am told is not possible to retrospectively establish. If anyone knows different, please PM me.

Likely one call to the designer would resolve the question.

Without the sign offs, big problem.
I actually looked at the boat about 15 years ago I and no one wanted to help me get the sign offs, so lost interested pretty quickly, like straight away.
That is a different question as to whether the boat was well built and otherwise might comply.
but then no one wanted to supply it.
pity looked a fun little boat.

So I assume it is only an issue if you wish to race offshore Cat 1 or 2
If you just want to do Cat 5 or 7 inshore twilight or harbour no problem
or am I wrong
I believe the current owner has no problems with getting insurance
He has raced regularly AT RPAYC
All this is great info

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alohahugo said..
So I assume it is only an issue if you wish to race offshore Cat 1 or 2
If you just want to do Cat 5 or 7 inshore twilight or harbour no problem
or am I wrong
I believe the current owner has no problems with getting insurance
He has raced regularly AT RPAYC
All this is great info

But then you have to I sell it.
Actually be a very good two handed boat for races north as should be very quick in light air and medium running.
and that will be the market you will be selling in to.

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alohahugo said..
So I assume it is only an issue if you wish to race offshore Cat 1 or 2
If you just want to do Cat 5 or 7 inshore twilight or harbour no problem
or am I wrong
I believe the current owner has no problems with getting insurance
He has raced regularly AT RPAYC
All this is great info

Cat 1 or 2 you have to provide the documentation, if the organising authority ask for it. From memory Cat 3 not required.

Nothing to do with insurance.

So for example the Gold Coast Mackay it says:

(b) comply with AS Special Regulations Part 1 for Race Category 2.

The Organising Authority highlights the following AS Special Regulations: (i) A boat must satisfy the stability criteria of the AS Special Regulations Part 1 Appendix B (extracts of which are included in Appendix B of this NOR); (ii) A boat must be built in accordance with the AS Special Regulations Part 1, Section 3.03. (iii)Multihulls must be in accordance with AS Special Regulations Part 3 3.05 Stability and Flotation- Multihulls The Organising Authority may elect to obtain technical advice as to a boat's eligibility and the data and documentation supplied with regard to verification of stability, verification of construction and keel inspections, at the cost of the entrant concerned. The entrant will be consulted prior to this occurring.

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/brolga-33/326162
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Current owners stripped anti foul, epoxy coated hull and did some refit items on deck.

Previous owner always attended to engineering and maintenance so she's a reliable warhorse. He didn't attend to aesthetics as much so she is utilitarian belowdecks.

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In the 1999 Sydney-Hobart, we copped a 50 knot southerly almost exactly at half way in that year's Hobart and I managed to smash my face on the foredeck and make a bit of a mess. We plugged on, but by the time we had crossed Bass Strait and reached St Helen's we were all stuffed and the boat was wet through and still bashing into the southerly so we decided to stop to dry out and rest.

We anchored in Skeleton Bay on Dec 31st, cleaned up the boat, opened a bottle of rum and slept soundly through Y2K and into 2000. Next morning we set off again and finished the race.

I'm going to spend Saturday morning sitting in bed with a coffee reading about that boat....

www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/botany/sail-boats/35-ft-aluminium-ocean-racer-cruising-yacht-/1333236950

gelignite ?
as in this one

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JonE said..

In the 1999 Sydney-Hobart, we copped a 50 knot southerly almost exactly at half way in that year's Hobart and I managed to smash my face on the foredeck and make a bit of a mess. We plugged on, but by the time we had crossed Bass Strait and reached St Helen's we were all stuffed and the boat was wet through and still bashing into the southerly so we decided to stop to dry out and rest.

We anchored in Skeleton Bay on Dec 31st, cleaned up the boat, opened a bottle of rum and slept soundly through Y2K and into 2000. Next morning we set off again and finished the race.

I'm going to spend Saturday morning sitting in bed with a coffee reading about that boat....

Rather crowded in Skeleton bay those few days that year.

No accident one the boats is called "Binalong Bay"

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DrogueOne said..
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/botany/sail-boats/35-ft-aluminium-ocean-racer-cruising-yacht-/1333236950

gelignite ?
as in this one

Always wondered what that yacht was after sailing past it every Saturday afternoon. Thought it was a Swarbrick or Young. Great Peter Lowe designed boat.

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DrogueOne said..
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/botany/sail-boats/35-ft-aluminium-ocean-racer-cruising-yacht-/1333236950

gelignite ?
as in this one

Some young South Americans bought her and went cruising 3 years ago. An unlikely cruising boat but well built and good quality manufacture. They're being reasonable about price too.

I thought it was lexcen - I sail past it a lot, it is always pointing in a different direction to the other boats maybe because it is alloy and lighter and the wind blows it around

This will jog some memories and smiles................

www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/653050117547165?media_id=0&ref=share_attachment

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r13 said..
This will jog some memories and smiles................

www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/653050117547165?media_id=0&ref=share_attachment

I wish I were brave enough to have bought her!

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Ramona said..

r13 said..
This will jog some memories and smiles................

www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/653050117547165?media_id=0&ref=share_attachment

I wish I were brave enough to have bought her!

Yes a great boat but imho in that configuration (hounds runners and checkstays) it would need at least 6 crew and all very experienced, fit, agile and of decent body mass for getting all live rail ballast on the right side all the time in time. De-tuning the rig to a lower mast height 9/10 fractional rig (same hounds height) with just a pair of swept back spreaders and fractional kites (symm and asymm with retractable carbon fibre prodder) could be done. Epoxy and glass in new chainplate 30mm ply gusset bulkheads at 27deg sweepback and associated reinforcement to deck and hull including longitudinals and tripping brackets, and there you go. Of course the mast calcs would need to be done including righting moment - an internal sleeve up the mast lower panel to above the lower spreaders could be needed. The Selden calculators are obviously useful. The hand drawn schematic of the lines in the original post shows an upside down trapezoidal keel presumably with a bit of a bulb or fattening of the section at the lower draft. If I recall right this boat was launched very soon after the 1983 winged keel cup win and had wings included to that upside down type keel design initial sketch. Seems like this is the case based on this link - HAN was originally 37ft and retrofitted with a OMDF keel.
forums.sailinganarchy.com/threads/ben-lexcens-designs.137441/page-2

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forums.sailinganarchy.com/threads/ben-lexcens-designs.137441/page-2

It was good to re-read that thread. I have always been a fan of Ben Lexcen. The first sail I ever had made was a Miller & Whitworth Moth sail in 1969. I owned a M&W 26 for several years. I missed out on bidding for Tactical Response, a shipwright outbid me at the last second. I was keen on Hot August Night but realised it was not an ideal boat for a singlehander. The Finn I own was built for Carl Ryves in 1955 and at this time Bob Miller lived with the Ryves family. He sailed the Finn regularly but did not like it. Designed the Contender, which was meant to replace the Finn in the Olympics.
Tactical Response after the shipwright tidied her up.

Yes Bob/Ben clearly designed many sublime skiffs and yachts. He did some excellent Cherubs and Javelins after his earlier breakthrough 18s...........but his Travelodge 18 in the early 70's was a shocker - way too veed in cross section all the length of it - Mike Barret the builder told him it would be a crock ................if I recall right it was taken back to Mike to add round to the cross sections but it wasn't possible. His best boats were Gingko, Rampage and Ceil III - the last of the sublime "cods head and mackerel tail" yachts.
Carl Ryves was the most naturally gifted sailor I have ever seen - we watched him (and crew James Cook - a big unit) off the Syd harbour Nielsen Park headland west side working into Rose Bay to the finish of a FD national title heat closing in on Ian Brown the leader - he caught Ian well before the finish.
Great looking yacht there Tactical Response - it looks like a Matika was that a Laurie Davidson of that era - Matika might have been a Bob Miller design - can't remember sorry.

Matika (1) was a Swano 36. Matika II was a Ben Lexcen three-quarter tonner. Looked nice, lovely clean lines, but didn't go initially. Owner tried MIII, a Lidgard one tonner which was beaten by the Farrs, and then went back to the Lexcen which had not been sold. She was fitted with a Peterson style keel and promptly became the top boat in her class in Sydney short races and was 5th in the Hobart. She also kicked ass under her next owner. It's interesting to see how many Lexcen boats barked until given new keels - it shows how brave Bondy was to go for A2.

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