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fangman said..

decrepit said..
Peter, you're back, and you haven't changed.

..oh dear. Will this last long enough this time for me to get the popcorn on?

Yeeeaaahhh..
If we keep up this thread another couple of years according to statistics the water temp will be two degrees warmer and there will be heaps more sea algae and slightly less rain (?)..
Then by 2028 if the threads still on it might be four degrees warmer...

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Pcdefender said..
Watch the doco The Agenda to find out their global boiling BS is a sham.

So I watched it. My review, half star. Hysterical CT bull.

Hysterical BS right - the WEF and their 8 predictions for 2030.....one of which you'll own nothing and be happy.

I am sure like yourself decrepit is also going to enjoy living in a 15 minute city blissfully believing he is doing his part to reduce carbon dioxide omissions lol.

Carbon credits lol.

You simply can't make this sh/t up......oh wait.

Can't blame cows anymore.


www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-24/grain-fed-cattle-emissions-lower-than-previous-estimates/105449206

The perception of livestock's contribution to climate change is set to be altered, as the federal government adopts a new way of calculating methane emissions from Australian feedlot cattle.

All cattle producers have been under scrutiny for contributing to about 15 per cent of the world's total greenhouse gas outflow according to CSIRO, but a new Australian-focused emission calculation has disputed the contribution from Australia's grain-fed cattle.

It found grain-fed cattle emissions were 56 per cent lower than previously believed.

Can I buy a cow, then sell carbon credits because it farts 56% less than anyone thought it did ?
Will this 'new calculation' be used to claim a reduction in Australia's pollution and get a politican closer to net-zero ?

Best to read the actual journal article.

www.publish.csiro.au/an/pdf/AN24212

Since this thread began, 3 out 22 months have had temperatures below the long term climate average for Perth. That is the location that original post was based on.

But don't give up on climate cooling. These things are very measurable by scientists using things called instruments, data and statistics.

Now, as we know, it has been really cold in Perth lately, barely above 17 degrees maximum. All we need, is for the next 5 days to have 14 degree maxima, and Pcdefender can celebrate with a 4th month out of 23 months fitting his belief system.

And with THEIR instruments, data and statistics they conjured up a story of how the oceans are rising.

Low lying cities will soon be underwater - more nonsense

A third of Bangkok could be underwater by 2050 lol.

Still waiting and waiting and......


Sea Level Rise Projections: 10 Cities at Risk of Flooding | Earth.Org

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Pcdefender said..
And with THEIR instruments, data and statistics they conjured up a story of how the oceans are rising.

You were happy to use THEIR instruments, data and statistics when you made your original claim, "Global Warming it seems also causes significant cooling." What has changed?

A couple of articles from the latest issue of Nature. For clarification, the appended graph indicates the quality of Nature publications.


Warming accelerates global drought severity
Given the recent rise and projected increase of atmospheric evaporative demand (AED) owing to anthropogenic warming, assessing its contribution to drought severity is essential for adaptation planning.
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In Europe, the severity of the 2022 drought event can be largely attributed to anthropogenic warming, as the anomalies observed in streamflow and soil moisture cannot be explained by the precipitation deficit alone, but mostly by enhanced AED.
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It is reasonable to conclude that anthropogenic global warming likely contributed to exacerbate global drought severity in 2022.
Nature volume 642, pages 628-635 (2025)


Drivers of the extreme North Atlantic marine heat wave during 2023
The multidecadal surface ocean warming is primarily because of long-term anthropogenic warming, with a possible further contribution from a trend in incoming solar radiation which is consistent with reduced shipping emissions and variations in the solar cycle, as noted in previous work
Nature volume 642, pages 638-643 (2025)

The gold standard; 'anecdotal evidence' from the regular morning dog walking reprobates is that it's warmer, so you might be on to something for a change with all that sciency stuff.

London is the warmest city in the U.K but not the most southern.

By 2050 the population of Melbourne is forecast to be 9.5 mullion with Sydney similar.

Guess what? They will get warmer and jack to do with carbon dioxide.

Cities are getting bigger and as a consequence they get warmer.

See level is verifiable.

Sea level figures by our overlords, think the last 5 years are lies - period.

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Pcdefender said..
London is the warmest city in the U.K but not the most southern.

By 2050 the population of Melbourne is forecast to be 9.5 mullion with Sydney similar.

Guess what? They will get warmer and jack to do with carbon dioxide.

Cities are getting bigger and as a consequence they get warmer.

See level is verifiable.

Sea level figures by our overlords, think the last 5 years are lies - period.

lemme guess. It's because Trump's tariffs will keep ocean levels down until Trump Dykes (America-proud design) are in production in China?

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Pcdefender said..
London is the warmest city in the U.K but not the most southern.

By 2050 the population of Melbourne is forecast to be 9.5 mullion with Sydney similar.

Guess what? They will get warmer and jack to do with carbon dioxide.

Cities are getting bigger and as a consequence they get warmer.

See level is verifiable.

Sea level figures by our overlords, think the last 5 years are lies - period.

If you believe the cities are causing urban warming, why did you originally post that it was so cold? I'm just presenting monthly summaries about the location young chose to comment on.

Here's the annual maximum temperature record for Northam, I doubt there is much of a heat island effect there.

It appears that the temperature has increased approximately 1.3 degrees since 1902.

You operate SOLEY on THEIR figures rather than first hand verifiable evidence such as when you drive alongside the ocean and see SFA increase in sea level.

Using your calibrated eye-ball obviously

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remery said..
Here's the annual maximum temperature record for Northam, I doubt there is much of a heat island effect there.

It appears that the temperature has increased approximately 1.3 degrees since 1902.

you're forgetting to take into account "inflation"

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Pcdefender said..
You operate SOLEY on THEIR figures rather than first hand verifiable evidence such as when you drive alongside the ocean and see SFA increase in sea level.

Someone stole your 'L'.

I have nothing to contribute to the conversation.

As you were.

I actually agree with PCD on something.

The see level hasn't moved, the sea level is allways the sea level.

It is the land which is going up and down

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elmo said..
I actually agree with PCD on something.

The see level hasn't moved, the sea level is allways the sea level.

It is the land which is going up and down

Something to think about. Maybe not dissimilar to the laws governing our observable universe differing to the laws of the quantum/sub-atomic realm, how water behaves in front the naked eye Vs how it interacts with the comings and goings of a planetary body needs to be considered. It's a matter of scale. Yes lands are rising and falling but so are sea levels at a global scale. We have exceptionally accurate tools to measure and identify what is doing what and when, certainly far beyond our personal, localised visual capacity. An interesting phenomena/example in the link below

www.scientificamerican.com/article/giant-gravity-hole-in-the-ocean-may-be-the-ghost-of-an-ancient-sea1/

Does any of this explain why Scottish seagulls are becoming demonic ?

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Carantoc said..
Does any of this explain why Scottish seagulls are becoming demonic ?

I read those seagulls weren't demonic, merely Scottish. Am yet to see anyone who can clearly define the difference.

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Brent in Qld said..

elmo said..
I actually agree with PCD on something.

The see level hasn't moved, the sea level is allways the sea level.

It is the land which is going up and down

Something to think about. Maybe not dissimilar to the laws governing our observable universe differing to the laws of the quantum/sub-atomic realm, how water behaves in front the naked eye Vs how it interacts with the comings and goings of a planetary body needs to be considered. It's a matter of scale. Yes lands are rising and falling but so are sea levels at a global scale. We have exceptionally accurate tools to measure and identify what is doing what and when, certainly far beyond our personal, localised visual capacity. An interesting phenomena/example in the link below

www.scientificamerican.com/article/giant-gravity-hole-in-the-ocean-may-be-the-ghost-of-an-ancient-sea1/

That's an interesting article. To me it seemed counterintuitive that an area with lower gravity would have a lower sea level. Turns out you have to think laterally. The surrounding areas with higher gravity pull the oceans toward themselves, leaving a hollow in the weaker gravity spots.

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fangman said..
you have to think laterally. The surrounding areas with higher gravity pull the oceans toward themselves, leaving a hollow in the weaker gravity spots.

Thanks Fangy, had me puzzled as well.
As counter intuitive as that faster than wind downwind device

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elmo said..
I actually agree with PCD on something.

The see level hasn't moved, the sea level is allways the sea level.

It is the land which is going up and down

elmo makes a good point. Vertical Land Motion does interfere with accurate measurement of mean sea level. However, recent studies are correcting for this interference. Spoiler... sea level is still rising, "The thermosteric effect attributed to global warming is responsible for the acceleration of the sea levels."

"Fremantle tide gauge station is located on the southeastern coasts of Australia and it is one of two stations in southern hemisphere providing more than a century of sea level measurements. It neither has a considerable data gap, nor significantly affected by Glacial Isostatic Adjustment offering an invaluable source of sea level data to explore decadal and multidecadal sea level variations in the western tropics and the eastern Indian Ocean. Although earlier studies suggest insignificant vertical land motion (VLM) recently published studies concluded a nonlinear vertical land motion in this station. Despite the fact that it is located on the western coasts of Australia, sea level variation in Fremantle is strongly influenced by changes in the west tropical Pacific Ocean. Dynamical connection between the west tropical Pacific and the southeast Indian Ocean through the Indonesian Throughflow and the Leeuwin Current causes sea level variation in Fremantle to be an index for long term sea level variability in the tropical Pacific. The sea level variations in Fremantle station has shed light on various aspects of sea level variability in this area. Feng et al. (2004) used statistical regression models to separate the climate-mode induced multidecadal variability from sea level records in Fremantle in order to mitigate the effect of internal variability on the estimation of sea level rise."
www.frontiersin.org/journals/earth-science/articles/10.3389/feart.2021.664947/full

So what you are saying is Fremantle is sinking

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elmo said..
So what you are saying is Fremantle is sinking

Don't worry about that Elmo, this Freo is somewhere over east apparently, "...Fremantle tide gauge station is located on the southeastern coasts of Australia ..." A good example of when a lack of basic fact checking and review undermines 87.2 % of the credibility of the paper.

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fangman said..

Brent in Qld said..

elmo said..
I actually agree with PCD on something.

The see level hasn't moved, the sea level is allways the sea level.

It is the land which is going up and down

Something to think about. Maybe not dissimilar to the laws governing our observable universe differing to the laws of the quantum/sub-atomic realm, how water behaves in front the naked eye Vs how it interacts with the comings and goings of a planetary body needs to be considered. It's a matter of scale. Yes lands are rising and falling but so are sea levels at a global scale. We have exceptionally accurate tools to measure and identify what is doing what and when, certainly far beyond our personal, localised visual capacity. An interesting phenomena/example in the link below

www.scientificamerican.com/article/giant-gravity-hole-in-the-ocean-may-be-the-ghost-of-an-ancient-sea1/

That's an interesting article. To me it seemed counterintuitive that an area with lower gravity would have a lower sea level. Turns out you have to think laterally. The surrounding areas with higher gravity pull the oceans toward themselves, leaving a hollow in the weaker gravity spots.

Counterintuitive is a good term. I recently got through a book called Quantum: a guide for the perplexed, and a lot of what goes on at the smallest of scales is precisely counterintuitive. Letting go of instinct, bias or preconceived concepts is not easy. Thinking laterally has resulted in me still recovering from briefly dipping my toe into quantum.

One should keep an open mind. But not so open that one's brain falls out. said someone...