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duzzi
duzzi

1123 posts

27 Aug 2023 11:29pm
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Manuel7 said..
Yoo-hoo, quick 1-2 month update on my buddy's 5.0 and 5.8.

He loves the sails, really happy with them and their light weight.

On one (he has 2) the downhaul ripped and had to be repaired. He chose the conventional repair route. The batten tensioners seem a little fragile or brittle. They will break under heavy load.

No other issue to report.


Not to beat a dead horse but ... a downhaul ripped after two months ...
Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

28 Aug 2023 6:06am
To be fair , I wonder if he got dumped in waves or it just happened ?
jdfoils
jdfoils

435 posts

28 Aug 2023 9:54am
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Imax1 said..
To be fair , I wonder if he got dumped in waves or it just happened ?


Shouldn't tempt fate, but I've Been rolled many time with my Ezzys and never ripped out a downhaul grommet...
philn
philn

1080 posts

28 Aug 2023 11:10am
I've broken a brass downhaul pulley, but the strap it was in was fine so I bought another pulley and was sailing again by the following weekend.
Manuel7
Manuel7

1331 posts

28 Aug 2023 12:47pm
After 1 month and since it's his small sail prob under 20 sessions. Small waves here in summer.

The clew looks good. Let's see how they do through one winter. Lots of sun here too.
sprayblaze
sprayblaze

169 posts

29 Aug 2023 12:07am
From all that I have read up until now about these sails I consider a waste of time, another needless innovation.
philn
philn

1080 posts

29 Aug 2023 12:50am
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sprayblaze said..
From all that I have read up until now about these sails I consider a waste of time, another needless innovation.


I disagree, I think they're pushing the other brands to improve. Hot Sails Maui now has the Lithium which is claimed to be as light as these sails.
philn
philn

1080 posts

29 Aug 2023 12:52am
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sprayblaze said..
From all that I have read up until now about these sails I consider a waste of time, another needless innovation.


I think a lot (all?) of the problems we've read about in this thread are pretty easy for North to fix. So the next version could be everything this version promised.
sheddweller
sheddweller

278 posts

29 Aug 2023 4:53am
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philn said..


sprayblaze said..
From all that I have read up until now about these sails I consider a waste of time, another needless innovation.




I disagree, I think they're pushing the other brands to improve. Hot Sails Maui now has the Lithium which is claimed to be as light as these sails.



It's very very easy to build lightweight sails.
It is not quite as easy to build lightweight sails that can last for more than 5 minutes or can take a beating at cloudbreak.
Lahni
Lahni

19 posts

30 Aug 2023 3:48pm
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sheddweller said..

philn said..



sprayblaze said..
From all that I have read up until now about these sails I consider a waste of time, another needless innovation.





I disagree, I think they're pushing the other brands to improve. Hot Sails Maui now has the Lithium which is claimed to be as light as these sails.




It's very very easy to build lightweight sails.
It is not quite as easy to build lightweight sails that can last for more than 5 minutes or can take a beating at cloudbreak.


man North Sails are incredible! so Light in your Hands, coming from Duotone and very happy now switch to NS the whole Range Wave and Race Sails.

the Xover is even a good Sail for freestyling and racing has never been so comfortable!



Manawa
Manawa

150 posts

6 Sep 2023 5:23pm
Hi guys, I've used this sail (Wave Clear 4.7) from april to July in Garda Lake and than in Agoust I've used it in Mauritius ripping Oneye, Manawa, Little Reef. I use the Ultimate rdm 370 mast (made in Australia), and the North Carbon extention.
The test will be very short:
1) Magic, Amazing, Legend sail
2) Yes a New era is open.
3) Best sail than ever in our sport.

Stop

Lahni
Lahni

19 posts

9 Sep 2023 2:16am
I hope there will be a freestyle / foil freestyle sail, it would be the lightest in all of sailmaking! And weight makes a big difference in foiling and freestyle moves....
JonnoR
JonnoR

19 posts

14 Sep 2023 3:32am
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As a sailmaker I must voice my concern regarding the materials durability. It's true the material is light, strong and holds its shape fairly well however it gains nothing in durability. Instead of creasing and breaking like monofilm/mylar it becomes porous as if you poked it with a sewing needle. Had they really come up with a jack of all trades sailcloth, every cruising sailboat would be running 3di sails, instead it's only the racers and they are changing their inventory quite often.

If they make the skin thicker and properly design it, it could very well be the best sail on the market but I always fear planned obsolescence.


I think the 3di raw mainsails on the 60s should answer your concerns, some of these have done 2 laps of the globe! For sure with a lot more laminate but amazing all the same.
JonnoR
JonnoR

19 posts

14 Sep 2023 3:42am
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Gwarn said..
Coming from the Ezzy Taka wave sail to the 3Di the taka has far more range then 3Di that I'm using.
The ezzy you can have a full low draft or a flat high draft using the downhaul and outhaul.
The 3di that I use has very little downhaul adjustment. (wave sail)
I have over 100 days 200+ hours on mine.
It's lite yes +++++++
It's slowing fading and turning white.-------
With the north mast it was $1500 USD
I'll use it this summer in the bay area and then this coming winter in baja I'll put 200+ more days on it if I'm lucky before I turn it into a drop cloth. We will see....
It's going to be different for everybody it's just sail that is lite with a lite mast.

You guys can bang your D_ck_ all day long about this and that butt in the end it's just a windsurfing sail.

This is all FACTS not me dumping on it

You can look in my profile at the pictures............


A quick question
I have the Xover 5.8 and 5.0 but get excessive leech flutter when foiling with these. Obviously I have tried all combination of downhaul/outhaul. On the fin they are fantastic
cheers
j
Gwarn
Gwarn

245 posts

15 Sep 2023 10:05pm
Ya I have the same problem with the flutter. It's a trade off for me I found if I run it fuller with less downhaul it's not as bad. I also use the factory mast.
As for the batten repair North payed for it so I'm using it again 10 day or so.
I'm going to wait to replace it to see if they make any changes as I don't think Gen1 3.7 wave sail (Beta Test) is worth $980.00 USD knowing it's short coming.
I do love how lite it is......
duzzi
duzzi

1123 posts

16 Sep 2023 12:54am
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JonnoR said..





As a sailmaker I must voice my concern regarding the materials durability. It's true the material is light, strong and holds its shape fairly well however it gains nothing in durability. Instead of creasing and breaking like monofilm/mylar it becomes porous as if you poked it with a sewing needle. Had they really come up with a jack of all trades sailcloth, every cruising sailboat would be running 3di sails, instead it's only the racers and they are changing their inventory quite often.
If they make the skin thicker and properly design it, it could very well be the best sail on the market but I always fear planned obsolescence.





I think the 3di raw mainsails on the 60s should answer your concerns, some of these have done 2 laps of the globe! For sure with a lot more laminate but amazing all the same.




3Di or not there is no relationship between the construction requirement of a round the globe 60s mainsail and that of recreational wave sail. North, like any other sailmaker, could build their sails to last for decades, or build them to last two days. From the limited data set presented here, it clearly tilted toward "two days". Generation 2 could easily be built stronger, but then it would be heavier, there is no free lunch.

BTW: North just released the foil racing sail. Of course with the fake advertisement: "Remarkably lightweight".
Fake because they finally posted the weights and as expected the sails weight as much as any racing sail on the market. 5.5, 6.5, 7.5, 8,5 coming in at 5, 5.4, 5.8, and 6.2 Kg, are right in the middle between the Point-7 (heavier) and the Severne hyperglide (lighter, by a good chunk!).
sheddweller
sheddweller

278 posts

16 Sep 2023 1:26am
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duzzi said..

JonnoR said..






As a sailmaker I must voice my concern regarding the materials durability. It's true the material is light, strong and holds its shape fairly well however it gains nothing in durability. Instead of creasing and breaking like monofilm/mylar it becomes porous as if you poked it with a sewing needle. Had they really come up with a jack of all trades sailcloth, every cruising sailboat would be running 3di sails, instead it's only the racers and they are changing their inventory quite often.
If they make the skin thicker and properly design it, it could very well be the best sail on the market but I always fear planned obsolescence.






I think the 3di raw mainsails on the 60s should answer your concerns, some of these have done 2 laps of the globe! For sure with a lot more laminate but amazing all the same.





3Di or not there is no relationship between the construction requirement of a round the globe 60s mainsail and that of recreational wave sail. North, like any other sailmaker, could build their sails to last for decades, or build them to last two days. From the limited data set presented here, it clearly tilted toward "two days". Generation 2 could easily be built stronger, but then it would be heavier, there is no free lunch.

BTW: North just released the foil racing sail. Of course with the fake advertisement: "Remarkably lightweight".
Fake because they finally posted the weights and as expected the sails weight as much as any racing sail on the market. 5.5, 6.5, 7.5, 8,5 coming in at 5, 5.4, 5.8, and 6.2 Kg, are right in the middle between the Point-7 (heavier) and the Severne hyperglide (lighter, by a good chunk!).


Ridiculously heavy. The question must be asked, do they know what they are doing?
choco
choco

SA

4177 posts

16 Sep 2023 5:27am
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duzzi said..

JonnoR said..






As a sailmaker I must voice my concern regarding the materials durability. It's true the material is light, strong and holds its shape fairly well however it gains nothing in durability. Instead of creasing and breaking like monofilm/mylar it becomes porous as if you poked it with a sewing needle. Had they really come up with a jack of all trades sailcloth, every cruising sailboat would be running 3di sails, instead it's only the racers and they are changing their inventory quite often.
If they make the skin thicker and properly design it, it could very well be the best sail on the market but I always fear planned obsolescence.






I think the 3di raw mainsails on the 60s should answer your concerns, some of these have done 2 laps of the globe! For sure with a lot more laminate but amazing all the same.





3Di or not there is no relationship between the construction requirement of a round the globe 60s mainsail and that of recreational wave sail. North, like any other sailmaker, could build their sails to last for decades, or build them to last two days. From the limited data set presented here, it clearly tilted toward "two days". Generation 2 could easily be built stronger, but then it would be heavier, there is no free lunch.

BTW: North just released the foil racing sail. Of course with the fake advertisement: "Remarkably lightweight".
Fake because they finally posted the weights and as expected the sails weight as much as any racing sail on the market. 5.5, 6.5, 7.5, 8,5 coming in at 5, 5.4, 5.8, and 6.2 Kg, are right in the middle between the Point-7 (heavier) and the Severne hyperglide (lighter, by a good chunk!).


They should have used regular cam system, the air cams must weigh a bit
ausbinny
ausbinny

193 posts

16 Sep 2023 7:17am
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sheddweller said..

duzzi said..


JonnoR said..







As a sailmaker I must voice my concern regarding the materials durability. It's true the material is light, strong and holds its shape fairly well however it gains nothing in durability. Instead of creasing and breaking like monofilm/mylar it becomes porous as if you poked it with a sewing needle. Had they really come up with a jack of all trades sailcloth, every cruising sailboat would be running 3di sails, instead it's only the racers and they are changing their inventory quite often.
If they make the skin thicker and properly design it, it could very well be the best sail on the market but I always fear planned obsolescence.







I think the 3di raw mainsails on the 60s should answer your concerns, some of these have done 2 laps of the globe! For sure with a lot more laminate but amazing all the same.






3Di or not there is no relationship between the construction requirement of a round the globe 60s mainsail and that of recreational wave sail. North, like any other sailmaker, could build their sails to last for decades, or build them to last two days. From the limited data set presented here, it clearly tilted toward "two days". Generation 2 could easily be built stronger, but then it would be heavier, there is no free lunch.

BTW: North just released the foil racing sail. Of course with the fake advertisement: "Remarkably lightweight".
Fake because they finally posted the weights and as expected the sails weight as much as any racing sail on the market. 5.5, 6.5, 7.5, 8,5 coming in at 5, 5.4, 5.8, and 6.2 Kg, are right in the middle between the Point-7 (heavier) and the Severne hyperglide (lighter, by a good chunk!).



Ridiculously heavy. The question must be asked, do they know what they are doing?


So the Point 7's are super Ridiculously heavy???
jdfoils
jdfoils

435 posts

16 Sep 2023 8:49am
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do they know what they are doing?


Absolutely. Separating sailors from their $ is there core competency.
2keen
2keen

WA

376 posts

16 Sep 2023 10:38am
There is a lot of talk here about the weight of the 3Di North sails and it's my opinion that any company has to be wary claiming to be the lightest, or fastest for that matter, because weight and speed are easily measured.
I am using the North Wave Clear sails for foiling and when weighed they are light. I am however continually impressed by how light they "feel" on the water. I'm sure this is achieved by placing more fibres in high load points like foot, clew and luff and less in the head and leech.
sprayblaze
sprayblaze

169 posts

16 Sep 2023 2:07pm
My wave sails are scrim laminates and I don't intend changing them anytime soon. I am not buying this bla-bla "lightweight", "smart", "i","3D" etc.. Now that the legendary Fanatic brand is gone I am disgusted and buying a gloomy black sail for a fortune is the last thing on my agenda.
sheddweller
sheddweller

278 posts

16 Sep 2023 5:58pm
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ausbinny said..

sheddweller said..


duzzi said..



JonnoR said..








As a sailmaker I must voice my concern regarding the materials durability. It's true the material is light, strong and holds its shape fairly well however it gains nothing in durability. Instead of creasing and breaking like monofilm/mylar it becomes porous as if you poked it with a sewing needle. Had they really come up with a jack of all trades sailcloth, every cruising sailboat would be running 3di sails, instead it's only the racers and they are changing their inventory quite often.
If they make the skin thicker and properly design it, it could very well be the best sail on the market but I always fear planned obsolescence.








I think the 3di raw mainsails on the 60s should answer your concerns, some of these have done 2 laps of the globe! For sure with a lot more laminate but amazing all the same.







3Di or not there is no relationship between the construction requirement of a round the globe 60s mainsail and that of recreational wave sail. North, like any other sailmaker, could build their sails to last for decades, or build them to last two days. From the limited data set presented here, it clearly tilted toward "two days". Generation 2 could easily be built stronger, but then it would be heavier, there is no free lunch.

BTW: North just released the foil racing sail. Of course with the fake advertisement: "Remarkably lightweight".
Fake because they finally posted the weights and as expected the sails weight as much as any racing sail on the market. 5.5, 6.5, 7.5, 8,5 coming in at 5, 5.4, 5.8, and 6.2 Kg, are right in the middle between the Point-7 (heavier) and the Severne hyperglide (lighter, by a good chunk!).




Ridiculously heavy. The question must be asked, do they know what they are doing?



So the Point 7's are super Ridiculously heavy???


Yep. There is no need for all this weight.
lightweight is 3.5kg 8m.
40FrothyKnots
40FrothyKnots

NSW

93 posts

18 Sep 2023 12:37pm
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sheddweller said..

duzzi said..


JonnoR said..







As a sailmaker I must voice my concern regarding the materials durability. It's true the material is light, strong and holds its shape fairly well however it gains nothing in durability. Instead of creasing and breaking like monofilm/mylar it becomes porous as if you poked it with a sewing needle. Had they really come up with a jack of all trades sailcloth, every cruising sailboat would be running 3di sails, instead it's only the racers and they are changing their inventory quite often.
If they make the skin thicker and properly design it, it could very well be the best sail on the market but I always fear planned obsolescence.







I think the 3di raw mainsails on the 60s should answer your concerns, some of these have done 2 laps of the globe! For sure with a lot more laminate but amazing all the same.






3Di or not there is no relationship between the construction requirement of a round the globe 60s mainsail and that of recreational wave sail. North, like any other sailmaker, could build their sails to last for decades, or build them to last two days. From the limited data set presented here, it clearly tilted toward "two days". Generation 2 could easily be built stronger, but then it would be heavier, there is no free lunch.

BTW: North just released the foil racing sail. Of course with the fake advertisement: "Remarkably lightweight".
Fake because they finally posted the weights and as expected the sails weight as much as any racing sail on the market. 5.5, 6.5, 7.5, 8,5 coming in at 5, 5.4, 5.8, and 6.2 Kg, are right in the middle between the Point-7 (heavier) and the Severne hyperglide (lighter, by a good chunk!).



Ridiculously heavy. The question must be asked, do they know what they are doing




Severne Hyperglide 6
6.0 5.12 KG
7.0 5.49 KG

North Race
6.0 5.20 KG ( + 80 GR)
6.8 5.50 KG ( + 10 GR)

Point 7
6.0 5.4 KG ( + 280 GR)
7.0 5.9 KG (+ 400 GR)
Those are a good chunk heavier!

North has ~100 gr difference on the current benchmark sails in therm of weight but comes with much more solid construction and a true 3D profile thanks to the aircam.





bel29
bel29

395 posts

18 Sep 2023 10:51pm
I don't care too much about absolute weight, although it does matter of course at the margins, but no one here seems to talk about this year's Duotone Warp Foils which are by far the lightest foiling racing sails I've had. The biggest weight gain compared to last year's model came from the use of penta material from their wing line for the (massive) luff pocket. the weight gain is remarkable, and material looks and feels (and seems to hold up) great. no stretch at all. also interesting to note: despite the black material the mast doesn't heat up nearly as much as in the previous sails with the luff made mostly out of film (summers get really hot here).
duzzi
duzzi

1123 posts

18 Sep 2023 11:15pm
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40FrothyKnots said..








sheddweller said..









duzzi said..










JonnoR said..















As a sailmaker I must voice my concern regarding the materials durability. It's true the material is light, strong and holds its shape fairly well however it gains nothing in durability. Instead of creasing and breaking like monofilm/mylar it becomes porous as if you poked it with a sewing needle. Had they really come up with a jack of all trades sailcloth, every cruising sailboat would be running 3di sails, instead it's only the racers and they are changing their inventory quite often.
If they make the skin thicker and properly design it, it could very well be the best sail on the market but I always fear planned obsolescence.















I think the 3di raw mainsails on the 60s should answer your concerns, some of these have done 2 laps of the globe! For sure with a lot more laminate but amazing all the same.














3Di or not there is no relationship between the construction requirement of a round the globe 60s mainsail and that of recreational wave sail. North, like any other sailmaker, could build their sails to last for decades, or build them to last two days. From the limited data set presented here, it clearly tilted toward "two days". Generation 2 could easily be built stronger, but then it would be heavier, there is no free lunch.

BTW: North just released the foil racing sail. Of course with the fake advertisement: "Remarkably lightweight".
Fake because they finally posted the weights and as expected the sails weight as much as any racing sail on the market. 5.5, 6.5, 7.5, 8,5 coming in at 5, 5.4, 5.8, and 6.2 Kg, are right in the middle between the Point-7 (heavier) and the Severne hyperglide (lighter, by a good chunk!).











Ridiculously heavy. The question must be asked, do they know what they are doing












Severne Hyperglide 6
6.0 5.12 KG
7.0 5.49 KG

North Race
6.0 5.20 KG ( + 80 GR)
6.8 5.50 KG ( + 10 GR)

Point 7
6.0 5.4 KG ( + 280 GR)
7.0 5.9 KG (+ 400 GR)
Those are a good chunk heavier!

North has ~100 gr difference on the current benchmark sails in therm of weight but comes with much more solid construction and a true 3D profile thanks to the aircam.





Wow. After months or claiming that the sails are a weight game changer it turns out that the North sails are actually as heavy or heavier than others on the market, and so now North jumps into claiming a "more solid construction"? And forget about the dismal durability users' feedback on this thread! Bravo!

And here @bel29 is indeed what seems to be the weight leader of the pack

Duotone Warp Foil 2023:
5.4 4.6 Kg
6.4 5.0 Kg
7.5 5.5 Kg
ozzimark
ozzimark

64 posts

19 Sep 2023 12:57am
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sheddweller said..

Yep. There is no need for all this weight.
lightweight is 3.5kg 8m.



Curious which sail that is. Lightest I know in the larger sizes if the HSM SpeedFreak...
sheddweller
sheddweller

278 posts

19 Sep 2023 4:42am
About 20 years ago, Boards mag UK tested an 8m 6 batten sail with 6 cams that weighed 2.9kg. It was made from Kevlar laminates.
Any claims of "game changing" lightweight that do not beat that are bull****.
Lahni
Lahni

19 posts

26 Sep 2023 1:31am
Not only the weight itself make diffrences, also how light does the sail feels in your hands is intresting

and North got it right to the point! Such playfull, controlable and fast Sails combined with smart technology and high tech Materials

that's exactly what we need in Windsurfing, someone who develops and knows what he is doing! Best Sails on the Market, huge windrange and very versatile, recommend everyone to try it!

also Carbonparts masts,booms, extensions are worth a look! Definitely high end quality

Manawa
Manawa

150 posts

3 Oct 2023 11:45pm
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Lahni said..
Not only the weight itself make diffrences, also how light does the sail feels in your hands is intresting

and North got it right to the point! Such playfull, controlable and fast Sails combined with smart technology and high tech Materials

that's exactly what we need in Windsurfing, someone who develops and knows what he is doing! Best Sails on the Market, huge windrange and very versatile, recommend everyone to try it!

also Carbonparts masts,booms, extensions are worth a look! Definitely high end quality




I love North Sail




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