Mariano Gil (Goya) beat Antoine Martin (North) for the highest jump by 0,1m in Pozo.

Select to expand quote

duzzi said..

PhilUK said..

Carstendk said..
Has anyone seen a test of the North Free Race

The UK Windsurf magazine tested in this months issue. They will probably put it online in 6 months or so.
I just had a quick flip through it in WH Smiths, I dont buy the mag these days as a lot of event/travel info is online and in the past their tests have been glorified ads. Although they aren't as bad as that as they used to be.

Its light, fast, handles well, sets beautifully etc etc, is basically what they say about all of them
I cant remember much specifically about the North, other than they did like it. I also noticed the price. Ouch.

www.windsurf.co.uk/425-july-2023/

Well ... I would avoid to say "light" without having actually weighted it. The north site claimed ridiculous weights for the Freerace on their web site (2Kgs and change for a 6.8!). I had to back and forth e-mail three times with them to finally see those numbers disappear form the site, but they never released the real numbers. Because they can't. With double battens and an inflatable insert it is probably heavier than many other twin cam sails. If not it will fall apart, there is no free lunch.

WOW duzzi!,

The amount of time, energy and resources you are putting into trying to slow down North 3di is truly amusing mate!

You must really not like the brand to go such lengths?

An error was made on the weights and been (partially) rectified once flagged, accurate weight are coming soon.

Why you don't make yourself a favour and test one, so then you can give us a detailed real review!
Rather then fabricating all those fantasy claims for the last months on how and why those sails should fail in anything North is saying they will excel?

Select to expand quote

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

PhilUK said..

Carstendk said..
Has anyone seen a test of the North Free Race

The UK Windsurf magazine tested in this months issue. They will probably put it online in 6 months or so.
I just had a quick flip through it in WH Smiths, I dont buy the mag these days as a lot of event/travel info is online and in the past their tests have been glorified ads. Although they aren't as bad as that as they used to be.

Its light, fast, handles well, sets beautifully etc etc, is basically what they say about all of them
I cant remember much specifically about the North, other than they did like it. I also noticed the price. Ouch.

www.windsurf.co.uk/425-july-2023/

Well ... I would avoid to say "light" without having actually weighted it. The north site claimed ridiculous weights for the Freerace on their web site (2Kgs and change for a 6.8!). I had to back and forth e-mail three times with them to finally see those numbers disappear form the site, but they never released the real numbers. Because they can't. With double battens and an inflatable insert it is probably heavier than many other twin cam sails. If not it will fall apart, there is no free lunch.

WOW duzzi!,

The amount of time, energy and resources you are putting into trying to slow down North 3di is truly amusing mate!

You must really not like the brand to go such lengths?

An error was made on the weights and been (partially) rectified once flagged, accurate weight are coming soon.

Why you don't make yourself a favour and test one, so then you can give us a detailed real review!
Rather then fabricating all those fantasy claims for the last months on how and why those sails should fail in anything North is saying they will excel?

Two e-mails with NorthWindsurf and some posts here hardly qualify as a lot of effort. They qualify as "I have nothing better to do while sipping my morning coffee".

And if you are happy with the industry making up "fantasy claims" to justify the exorbitant cost of their products ... well ... not sure what to say!

Select to expand quote

duzzi said..

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

PhilUK said..

Carstendk said..
Has anyone seen a test of the North Free Race

The UK Windsurf magazine tested in this months issue. They will probably put it online in 6 months or so.
I just had a quick flip through it in WH Smiths, I dont buy the mag these days as a lot of event/travel info is online and in the past their tests have been glorified ads. Although they aren't as bad as that as they used to be.

Its light, fast, handles well, sets beautifully etc etc, is basically what they say about all of them
I cant remember much specifically about the North, other than they did like it. I also noticed the price. Ouch.

www.windsurf.co.uk/425-july-2023/

Well ... I would avoid to say "light" without having actually weighted it. The north site claimed ridiculous weights for the Freerace on their web site (2Kgs and change for a 6.8!). I had to back and forth e-mail three times with them to finally see those numbers disappear form the site, but they never released the real numbers. Because they can't. With double battens and an inflatable insert it is probably heavier than many other twin cam sails. If not it will fall apart, there is no free lunch.

WOW duzzi!,

The amount of time, energy and resources you are putting into trying to slow down North 3di is truly amusing mate!

You must really not like the brand to go such lengths?

An error was made on the weights and been (partially) rectified once flagged, accurate weight are coming soon.

Why you don't make yourself a favour and test one, so then you can give us a detailed real review!
Rather then fabricating all those fantasy claims for the last months on how and why those sails should fail in anything North is saying they will excel?

Two e-mails with NorthWindsurf and some posts here hardly qualify as a lot of effort. They qualify as "I have nothing better to do while sipping my morning coffee".

And if you are happy with the industry making up "fantasy claims" to justify the exorbitant cost of their products ... well ... not sure what to say!

Of course you l know better how large corporations works!

Have you thought the guys looking after main online site and customer service enquiries might just follow prompts and do not really have much in depth knowledge about the products?

They probably reached out to their segment supervisor and ask what to do with the information you flagged?

The fact the dealer meeting was happening to and everyone was travelling surely didn't help to rectify it quickly,but from this to saying we are solely try to disguise customers there is a whole lot.. official weights are coming live soon.

Sometimes is good to give the benefit of the doubt and then assess later on?

So far the claim have been backed up by people that actually bought/tried the sails, we do produce one of the lightest/most durable wave/x over sails around, for the flatwater sails...lets see.

Yes, I saw Gwarn not being super happy, but also after 100+ session, having one elastic snapping down to the foot base and one battent poking through the pocket, seems to be small issues to bring forward after 100+ sessions and to have weight over the total durability of a sail?
Surely I would have pushed the local dealer to sort the issue..as I can't see that repair being more than $50 and to me this is fairly inexpensive to keep an end consumer happy..

Also are we talking about cosmetic durability or performance durability, cos there is a big difference in those.

Most people are after a performance durability more than a cosmetic one.. I haven't heard anyone nor Gwarn talking about any loss of performances after 100+ session?

You seems to be an experienced windsurfer, would be nice to have you trying for yourself and have, finally, a legitimate POV, which ever this is going to be..

Select to expand quote

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

PhilUK said..

Carstendk said..
Has anyone seen a test of the North Free Race

The UK Windsurf magazine tested in this months issue. They will probably put it online in 6 months or so.
I just had a quick flip through it in WH Smiths, I dont buy the mag these days as a lot of event/travel info is online and in the past their tests have been glorified ads. Although they aren't as bad as that as they used to be.

Its light, fast, handles well, sets beautifully etc etc, is basically what they say about all of them
I cant remember much specifically about the North, other than they did like it. I also noticed the price. Ouch.

www.windsurf.co.uk/425-july-2023/

Well ... I would avoid to say "light" without having actually weighted it. The north site claimed ridiculous weights for the Freerace on their web site (2Kgs and change for a 6.8!). I had to back and forth e-mail three times with them to finally see those numbers disappear form the site, but they never released the real numbers. Because they can't. With double battens and an inflatable insert it is probably heavier than many other twin cam sails. If not it will fall apart, there is no free lunch.

WOW duzzi!,

The amount of time, energy and resources you are putting into trying to slow down North 3di is truly amusing mate!

You must really not like the brand to go such lengths?

An error was made on the weights and been (partially) rectified once flagged, accurate weight are coming soon.

Why you don't make yourself a favour and test one, so then you can give us a detailed real review!
Rather then fabricating all those fantasy claims for the last months on how and why those sails should fail in anything North is saying they will excel?

Two e-mails with NorthWindsurf and some posts here hardly qualify as a lot of effort. They qualify as "I have nothing better to do while sipping my morning coffee".

And if you are happy with the industry making up "fantasy claims" to justify the exorbitant cost of their products ... well ... not sure what to say!

Of course you l know better how large corporations works!

Have you thought the guys looking after main online site and customer service enquiries might just follow prompts and do not really have much in depth knowledge about the products?

They probably reached out to their segment supervisor and ask what to do with the information you flagged?

The fact the dealer meeting was happening to and everyone was travelling surely didn't help to rectify it quickly,but from this to saying we are solely try to disguise customers there is a whole lot.. official weights are coming live soon.

Sometimes is good to give the benefit of the doubt and then assess later on?

So far the claim have been backed up by people that actually bought/tried the sails, we do produce one of the lightest/most durable wave/x over sails around, for the flatwater sails...lets see.

Yes, I saw Gwarn not being super happy, but also after 100+ session, having one elastic snapping down to the foot base and one battent poking through the pocket, seems to be small issues to bring forward after 100+ sessions and to have weight over the total durability of a sail?
Surely I would have pushed the local dealer to sort the issue..as I can't see that repair being more than $50 and to me this is fairly inexpensive to keep an end consumer happy..

Also are we talking about cosmetic durability or performance durability, cos there is a big difference in those.

Most people are after a performance durability more than a cosmetic one.. I haven't heard anyone nor Gwarn talking about any loss of performances after 100+ session?

You seems to be an experienced windsurfer, would be nice to have you trying for yourself and have, finally, a legitimate POV, which ever this is going to be..

Funny as *uck.
Weight is one of the fundamental things, like area, boom and mast length and yet you are not providing this information, instead it's just marketing bs about lightweight feel.
If the 6.8 freerace is not below 3kg then it is not as light as the lightest scrim laminate sails. Where does that leave the marketing?
So far the revolutionary sails have fallen a bit flat, Fiji won by a scrim laminate sail, pozo won by a scrim laminate sail. Have the revolutionary sails won anything yet?

Select to expand quote

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

PhilUK said..

Carstendk said..
Has anyone seen a test of the North Free Race

The UK Windsurf magazine tested in this months issue. They will probably put it online in 6 months or so.
I just had a quick flip through it in WH Smiths, I dont buy the mag these days as a lot of event/travel info is online and in the past their tests have been glorified ads. Although they aren't as bad as that as they used to be.

Its light, fast, handles well, sets beautifully etc etc, is basically what they say about all of them
I cant remember much specifically about the North, other than they did like it. I also noticed the price. Ouch.

www.windsurf.co.uk/425-july-2023/

Well ... I would avoid to say "light" without having actually weighted it. The north site claimed ridiculous weights for the Freerace on their web site (2Kgs and change for a 6.8!). I had to back and forth e-mail three times with them to finally see those numbers disappear form the site, but they never released the real numbers. Because they can't. With double battens and an inflatable insert it is probably heavier than many other twin cam sails. If not it will fall apart, there is no free lunch.

WOW duzzi!,

The amount of time, energy and resources you are putting into trying to slow down North 3di is truly amusing mate!

You must really not like the brand to go such lengths?

An error was made on the weights and been (partially) rectified once flagged, accurate weight are coming soon.

Why you don't make yourself a favour and test one, so then you can give us a detailed real review!
Rather then fabricating all those fantasy claims for the last months on how and why those sails should fail in anything North is saying they will excel?

Two e-mails with NorthWindsurf and some posts here hardly qualify as a lot of effort. They qualify as "I have nothing better to do while sipping my morning coffee".

And if you are happy with the industry making up "fantasy claims" to justify the exorbitant cost of their products ... well ... not sure what to say!

Of course you l know better how large corporations works!

Have you thought the guys looking after main online site and customer service enquiries might just follow prompts and do not really have much in depth knowledge about the products?

They probably reached out to their segment supervisor and ask what to do with the information you flagged?

The fact the dealer meeting was happening to and everyone was travelling surely didn't help to rectify it quickly,but from this to saying we are solely try to disguise customers there is a whole lot.. official weights are coming live soon.

Sometimes is good to give the benefit of the doubt and then assess later on?

So far the claim have been backed up by people that actually bought/tried the sails, we do produce one of the lightest/most durable wave/x over sails around, for the flatwater sails...lets see.

"We"? Do you mean that you are related to North Windsurfing? This is a forum, and if you are employed by North sails I am not so sure that you should post here. Especially when you post commercials ("we do produce one of the lightest ...") and call other forum participants objections as "amusing".

At a minimum please introduce yourself and specify what is your role at North Windsurfing.

And please ... really ... north posted the fantasy weights by "mistake", and then, after it was called out by at least two people, it did not rectify them because ... there was a dealer meeting?

Select to expand quote

sheddweller said..

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

PhilUK said..

Carstendk said..
Has anyone seen a test of the North Free Race

The UK Windsurf magazine tested in this months issue. They will probably put it online in 6 months or so.
I just had a quick flip through it in WH Smiths, I dont buy the mag these days as a lot of event/travel info is online and in the past their tests have been glorified ads. Although they aren't as bad as that as they used to be.

Its light, fast, handles well, sets beautifully etc etc, is basically what they say about all of them
I cant remember much specifically about the North, other than they did like it. I also noticed the price. Ouch.

www.windsurf.co.uk/425-july-2023/

Well ... I would avoid to say "light" without having actually weighted it. The north site claimed ridiculous weights for the Freerace on their web site (2Kgs and change for a 6.8!). I had to back and forth e-mail three times with them to finally see those numbers disappear form the site, but they never released the real numbers. Because they can't. With double battens and an inflatable insert it is probably heavier than many other twin cam sails. If not it will fall apart, there is no free lunch.

WOW duzzi!,

The amount of time, energy and resources you are putting into trying to slow down North 3di is truly amusing mate!

You must really not like the brand to go such lengths?

An error was made on the weights and been (partially) rectified once flagged, accurate weight are coming soon.

Why you don't make yourself a favour and test one, so then you can give us a detailed real review!
Rather then fabricating all those fantasy claims for the last months on how and why those sails should fail in anything North is saying they will excel?

Two e-mails with NorthWindsurf and some posts here hardly qualify as a lot of effort. They qualify as "I have nothing better to do while sipping my morning coffee".

And if you are happy with the industry making up "fantasy claims" to justify the exorbitant cost of their products ... well ... not sure what to say!

Of course you l know better how large corporations works!

Have you thought the guys looking after main online site and customer service enquiries might just follow prompts and do not really have much in depth knowledge about the products?

They probably reached out to their segment supervisor and ask what to do with the information you flagged?

The fact the dealer meeting was happening to and everyone was travelling surely didn't help to rectify it quickly,but from this to saying we are solely try to disguise customers there is a whole lot.. official weights are coming live soon.

Sometimes is good to give the benefit of the doubt and then assess later on?

So far the claim have been backed up by people that actually bought/tried the sails, we do produce one of the lightest/most durable wave/x over sails around, for the flatwater sails...lets see.

Yes, I saw Gwarn not being super happy, but also after 100+ session, having one elastic snapping down to the foot base and one battent poking through the pocket, seems to be small issues to bring forward after 100+ sessions and to have weight over the total durability of a sail?
Surely I would have pushed the local dealer to sort the issue..as I can't see that repair being more than $50 and to me this is fairly inexpensive to keep an end consumer happy..

Also are we talking about cosmetic durability or performance durability, cos there is a big difference in those.

Most people are after a performance durability more than a cosmetic one.. I haven't heard anyone nor Gwarn talking about any loss of performances after 100+ session?

You seems to be an experienced windsurfer, would be nice to have you trying for yourself and have, finally, a legitimate POV, which ever this is going to be..

Funny as *uck.
Weight is one of the fundamental things, like area, boom and mast length and yet you are not providing this information, instead it's just marketing bs about lightweight feel.
If the 6.8 freerace is not below 3kg then it is not as light as the lightest scrim laminate sails. Where does that leave the marketing?
So far the revolutionary sails have fallen a bit flat, Fiji won by a scrim laminate sail, pozo won by a scrim laminate sail. Have the revolutionary sails won anything yet?

North site says 6.2m is 3.2kg

Select to expand quote

patronus said..

North site says 6.2m is 3.2kg

That's for the 5 batten xover sail not the freerace sail. They have not published freerace weights( well they did but they were make believe ones, since removed)

3.2 kg for a 5 batten zero cam freewave sail isn't particularly light, it's quite good, but good scrim laminates can be made at 2.7 kg without any trouble. And you can get the weight down more if you really want to.

Select to expand quote

sheddweller said..

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

40FrothyKnots said..

duzzi said..

PhilUK said..

Carstendk said..
Has anyone seen a test of the North Free Race

The UK Windsurf magazine tested in this months issue. They will probably put it online in 6 months or so.
I just had a quick flip through it in WH Smiths, I dont buy the mag these days as a lot of event/travel info is online and in the past their tests have been glorified ads. Although they aren't as bad as that as they used to be.

Its light, fast, handles well, sets beautifully etc etc, is basically what they say about all of them
I cant remember much specifically about the North, other than they did like it. I also noticed the price. Ouch.

www.windsurf.co.uk/425-july-2023/

Well ... I would avoid to say "light" without having actually weighted it. The north site claimed ridiculous weights for the Freerace on their web site (2Kgs and change for a 6.8!). I had to back and forth e-mail three times with them to finally see those numbers disappear form the site, but they never released the real numbers. Because they can't. With double battens and an inflatable insert it is probably heavier than many other twin cam sails. If not it will fall apart, there is no free lunch.

WOW duzzi!,

The amount of time, energy and resources you are putting into trying to slow down North 3di is truly amusing mate!

You must really not like the brand to go such lengths?

An error was made on the weights and been (partially) rectified once flagged, accurate weight are coming soon.

Why you don't make yourself a favour and test one, so then you can give us a detailed real review!
Rather then fabricating all those fantasy claims for the last months on how and why those sails should fail in anything North is saying they will excel?

Two e-mails with NorthWindsurf and some posts here hardly qualify as a lot of effort. They qualify as "I have nothing better to do while sipping my morning coffee".

And if you are happy with the industry making up "fantasy claims" to justify the exorbitant cost of their products ... well ... not sure what to say!

Of course you l know better how large corporations works!

Have you thought the guys looking after main online site and customer service enquiries might just follow prompts and do not really have much in depth knowledge about the products?

They probably reached out to their segment supervisor and ask what to do with the information you flagged?

The fact the dealer meeting was happening to and everyone was travelling surely didn't help to rectify it quickly,but from this to saying we are solely try to disguise customers there is a whole lot.. official weights are coming live soon.

Sometimes is good to give the benefit of the doubt and then assess later on?

So far the claim have been backed up by people that actually bought/tried the sails, we do produce one of the lightest/most durable wave/x over sails around, for the flatwater sails...lets see.

Yes, I saw Gwarn not being super happy, but also after 100+ session, having one elastic snapping down to the foot base and one battent poking through the pocket, seems to be small issues to bring forward after 100+ sessions and to have weight over the total durability of a sail?
Surely I would have pushed the local dealer to sort the issue..as I can't see that repair being more than $50 and to me this is fairly inexpensive to keep an end consumer happy..

Also are we talking about cosmetic durability or performance durability, cos there is a big difference in those.

Most people are after a performance durability more than a cosmetic one.. I haven't heard anyone nor Gwarn talking about any loss of performances after 100+ session?

You seems to be an experienced windsurfer, would be nice to have you trying for yourself and have, finally, a legitimate POV, which ever this is going to be..

Funny as *uck.
Weight is one of the fundamental things, like area, boom and mast length and yet you are not providing this information, instead it's just marketing bs about lightweight feel.
If the 6.8 freerace is not below 3kg then it is not as light as the lightest scrim laminate sails. Where does that leave the marketing?
So far the revolutionary sails have fallen a bit flat, Fiji won by a scrim laminate sail, pozo won by a scrim laminate sail. Have the revolutionary sails won anything yet?

I did say before I am linked to the brand, I simply cannot mention this every time I post a comment?..however, I am happy to answer to anyone that asks politely.

Yes, I am connected directly with North Actionsports Group.
I am the responsible for Australia and NZ for North NAG, despite my affiliation, I totally respect this being an open forum, hence why I haven't started any thread about any North Sails product nor I am pushing heavy propaganda to anyone.

This doesn't mean I am not frothing over what I think it's a revolutionary manufacture process in windsurfing and I am happy to share any information that I think could be valuable to anyone wanting to know more.

When you grow up as windsurfer..you always be one at heart..

I see there has been a lot of disinformation on several topics about these sails:
From the fact black is not a good idea and will perish in the sun, to the fact people pointed out the "vertical creases" close to luff area should not be there, or the fact people were asking about the weight of the laminate material itself ..some people also claimed they tried these same sails years and years ago when Duotone was still under north...and much more (targeted?!?) dis-information...

There is a good explanation to all of the above and I am happy to share my 2 cents, I just don't like when people use disinformation to push light to "their" brand and sledge the brand in question.

Now in regard to your points:

I must agree with you, weight is an important information and hope it goes up live asap, can't hide form numbers, and I am glad this was flagged in due time and before consumers received their sails..I would have been fuming if I received an advertised 1.9kg sail when is more like 4KG, so thanks for flagging...we could have been flogged..

Just got the 6.8 Free race and sits at 4.5 kg on my home scale (give-take some % tolerance).
going to rig it up this arvo and also got a Race to rig up.
got ne new PRO Boom in wve and race too, semms crazy light and crazy stiff!!

Regarding the fact so far Scrim laminate sails are top in podium, which is a fair point..

Would you say that having only 1 athlete so far using 3Di, compared to the numbers of Pro using crim laminates from all other brands will have some weight over the fact the chances to be on podium are much less due to 1 representative VS many?

You seem have good knowledge of other crim laminate sails with record light-weights... which on would be the 2.7KG you mentioned that will put in line the X-over 6.2 at 3.2KG.. and what would the expected life span from such sail?

Managed to rig up the 7.7 race yesterday with :
Optima 490
Caborn extension
Race Carbon Boom

Total rig weight 10kg ish give or take on my home scale.

Here are a couple of videos from the dealer meeting for anyone interested in more tech info.
Pieter goes in depth on Masts/Booms production process.

Masts are made in Ozzie so +1 for me!

North Sails Windsurf - Tech Talk - Ultimate and Local Pro Carbon Masts


North Sails Windsurf - Tech Talk - Pro Carbon Boom - Race Boom


North Sails Windsurf - Tech Talk - Pro Carbon Boom - Wave Boom


Off to Barracuda sails in Sydney at 5pm today to show the 7.7 Race to a bunch of GPS guys, will be interesting to get their (dry) feedback, hopefully wet feedback coming up soon!

Frothing like a kid that opened his Xmas pressie early!!!

Select to expand quote

choco said..

Same thing over and over again..it fells light in hands ? It seems very difficult to say exactly how light/heavy this sail is.

Select to expand quote

choco said..

Same thing over and over again..it fells light in hands ? It seems very difficult to say exactly how light/heavy this sail is.

Pretty fair review. Does a good job of outlining perceived strengths and weaknesses; and up front that there's necessarily some marketing going on. Having a sail that I don't have to worry as much about creasing in the back of the van is a plus. Having to get a new mast standard is a minus but I said that twenty years ago about rdms and now what do I own?

If nothing else, great to see that a big force in the general sailing world is willing to commit resources to our sport. For all the constant doom and gloom (windsurfing has been on it's "death bed" for almost thirty years), something worth considering.

Select to expand quote

40FrothyKnots said..

....

Yes, I am connected directly with North Actionsports Group.
I am the responsible for Australia and NZ for North NAG, despite my affiliation, I totally respect this being an open forum, hence why I haven't started any thread about any North Sails product nor I am pushing heavy propaganda to anyone.

...

You gotta be kidding, right? You have been posting free commercials for weeks. Three videos just last week. If you do not see how this is a problem in a public forum I do not know what to say.

Thankfully North is currently the only brand that takes advantage of this forum, but it should not be allowed to do so, and I am surprised seabreeze allows it.

(And I notice, and this is my last note on this, what you still carefully duck questions about sail weight, reporting a "total rig weight" instead of what people are asking, that is the weight of the sail. Good try!)

Select to expand quote

duzzi said..

40FrothyKnots said..

....

Yes, I am connected directly with North Actionsports Group.
I am the responsible for Australia and NZ for North NAG, despite my affiliation, I totally respect this being an open forum, hence why I haven't started any thread about any North Sails product nor I am pushing heavy propaganda to anyone.

...

You gotta be kidding, right? You have been posting free commercials for weeks. Three videos just last week. If you do not see how this is a problem in a public forum I do not know what to say.

Thankfully North is currently the only brand that takes advantage of this forum, but it should not be allowed to do so, and I am surprised seabreeze allows it.

(And I notice, and this is my last note on this, what you still carefully duck questions about sail weight, reporting a "total rig weight" instead of what people are asking, that is the weight of the sail. Good try!)

He's been open about his relationship with North.

Personally I appreciate the knowledge that Ola and Burke share.

Select to expand quote

duzzi said..

40FrothyKnots said..

....

Yes, I am connected directly with North Actionsports Group.
I am the responsible for Australia and NZ for North NAG, despite my affiliation, I totally respect this being an open forum, hence why I haven't started any thread about any North Sails product nor I am pushing heavy propaganda to anyone.

...

You gotta be kidding, right? You have been posting free commercials for weeks. Three videos just last week. If you do not see how this is a problem in a public forum I do not know what to say.

Thankfully North is currently the only brand that takes advantage of this forum, but it should not be allowed to do so, and I am surprised seabreeze allows it.

(And I notice, and this is my last note on this, what you still carefully duck questions about sail weight, reporting a "total rig weight" instead of what people are asking, that is the weight of the sail. Good try!)

Stop. Please.

Select to expand quote

duzzi said..

40FrothyKnots said..

....

Yes, I am connected directly with North Actionsports Group.
I am the responsible for Australia and NZ for North NAG, despite my affiliation, I totally respect this being an open forum, hence why I haven't started any thread about any North Sails product nor I am pushing heavy propaganda to anyone.

...

You gotta be kidding, right? You have been posting free commercials for weeks. Three videos just last week. If you do not see how this is a problem in a public forum I do not know what to say.

Thankfully North is currently the only brand that takes advantage of this forum, but it should not be allowed to do so, and I am surprised seabreeze allows it.

(And I notice, and this is my last note on this, what you still carefully duck questions about sail weight, reporting a "total rig weight" instead of what people are asking, that is the weight of the sail. Good try!)

Clearly everyone interprets thing his own way..
Glad to see most of the users here have a different vision.

If you read carefully enough you would have read the weight of the sample Free race 6.8 in my post a week ago.

Select to expand quote

40FrothyKnots

If you read carefully enough you would have read the weight of the sample Free race 6.8 in my post a week ago.

Uh oh.better get your lawyer to proof read everything before you post, or duzzi will eat your shorts for breakfast.

Hi,did saw North Race 6.8 yesterday, its a demo sail from our local dealer. Build quality is amazing, something like from NASA or from F1 :D.
It felt slightly lighter than similar sized Loft Blade or Gun Vector, but not much lighter. Mast is clearly lighter especially top part. First rigging was pain in the ass, it was not 100% clear how and where to insert cams in to the sail, who looks manual before :D, after we watch video again we finally managed to rig it. At first we did rig it on 430 mast with 34 extension but we could not downhaul it enough, it clearly needs 2 or 4cm more to downhaul. So my friend who sail it first was not that happy, sail had huge amount of power and could not control it.For next test other friend got longer 460 mast from dealer, he did not have longer extension yet for 430, but it riggs on 460 also. I was not there for second test but after sailing it my friend is super excited and buying this sail, so probably it is not a lemon after all ;)

6.8 with 460 mast, average wind was 13-14 knots, gusts 20 knots

Select to expand quote

Margo91 said..
....For next test other friend got longer 460 mast from dealer, he did not have longer extension yet for 430, but it riggs on 460 also. I was not there for second test but after sailing it my friend is super excited and buying this sail, so probably it is not a lemon after all ;)

Sorry if I missed it elsewhere - does it require a different extension than either sdm or rdm?

I'm in Pacasmayo Peru at the moment. One of the other sailors here has the North X-Over in 4.7 and 5.0. He can't stop talking about how much he likes them. Any advice on how to get him to shut up about how amazing his sails are?

i have an x over 6.2 and it is significantly lighter than my other sails. i use it 80% of the time for foiling and works pretty well in light wind. i use it with a JP 130 and a 23 NP glide, i can get going in less than 10knts. i rig it on aNP sdm 430 mast, i think that the sdm mast makes it a bit stiffer than the recommended settings but that works pretty good for my weight and conditions.

Select to expand quote

philn said..
I'm in Pacasmayo Peru at the moment. One of the other sailors here has the North X-Over in 4.7 and 5.0. He can't stop talking about how much he likes them. Any advice on how to get him to shut up about how amazing his sails are?

Ask him how those sails went in Fiji?

Just in case everyone out there thinks that its all computers and automatic sewing machines and robots check this out, sometimes sail making is quite rudimentary. Also a little agricultural with their actions.

Select to expand quote

Margo91 said..
Hi,did saw North Race 6.8 yesterday, its a demo sail from our local dealer. Build quality is amazing, something like from NASA or from F1 :D.
It felt slightly lighter than similar sized Loft Blade or Gun Vector, but not much lighter. Mast is clearly lighter especially top part. First rigging was pain in the ass, it was not 100% clear how and where to insert cams in to the sail, who looks manual before :D, after we watch video again we finally managed to rig it. At first we did rig it on 430 mast with 34 extension but we could not downhaul it enough, it clearly needs 2 or 4cm more to downhaul. So my friend who sail it first was not that happy, sail had huge amount of power and could not control it.For next test other friend got longer 460 mast from dealer, he did not have longer extension yet for 430, but it riggs on 460 also. I was not there for second test but after sailing it my friend is super excited and buying this sail, so probably it is not a lemon after all ;)

Oh well ... too bad. Given the amount of hype I was kind of hoping that the wunder-sail was going to be significantly lighter than existing race/freerace sails. Who would not want a 3Kg cam sail? If the weight loss was significant, in my book at least 1.5kg for a $1,600 sail, I was kind of ready to jump ship (I am old! and anything lighter helps!) despite the need for a pump to rig it!

But it seems to be happening only in the North commercials. They do look good, if you like black and white.

Select to expand quote

duzzi said..

They do look good, if you like black and white.

Another North Sail showed up. Between Severne and North, black seems to be very popular. Personally I like the splash of color my HSM provides.

Maciek interviews the developers.

Yoo-hoo, quick 1-2 month update on my buddy's 5.0 and 5.8.

He loves the sails, really happy with them and their light weight.

On one (he has 2) the downhaul ripped and had to be repaired. He chose the conventional repair route. The batten tensioners seem a little fragile or brittle. They will break under heavy load.

No other issue to report.