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Citation needed for your claim of 73 million abortions

As a global figure, it's perfectly realistic. Are you not so good at math?

I'm not great at maths. I was just surprised at the number.

If global population is approx 8billion, 73 million is almost 1 percent (0.9).

According to the World Factbook, global population is growing approximately 1.7%.

Just surprised that abortion has such an impact on the global population.

Yeah, but not nearly as much impact as the Haber press. Without industrial farming, the famine would see numbers dwindle toward one billion.

What is this Haber press thing?

Does abortion really have much impact on the population? If people accepted that they would have a baby every time they got pregnant, with the enforced 9 months or more off, would they keep going at it? I doubt it. Behaviors would change.

In times of old people could still try and avoid pregnancy, it just seems that now it is easier.

Fritz Haber invented the process of making ammonia for fertilizer.
And medical advances mean that it's no longer so common to lose a baby. I'm from an old Catholic family, four of my siblings were lost, would've lost another two including myself without medical intervention. And my wife wouldn't have seen her sixth birthday with the medical science that was available twenty years earlier.
These two changes have had the biggest impact on population (pretty sure), behaviours are slow to change. I'm not a huge fan of the housing affordability crisis or the skyrocketing cost of living but it seems nothing else is doing enough to curb birth rate.
Avoiding pregnancy wasn't difficult in the past, it was seen as immoral.

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I'm not a huge fan of the housing affordability crisis or the skyrocketing cost of living but it seems nothing else is doing enough to curb birth rate.
Avoiding pregnancy wasn't difficult in the past, it was seen as immoral.

Well, the cost of living/cost of housing is affecting the birth rate. But the stupid government is importing more people because they are geared to an increase each year to make GDP look good. So, it may as well not be affecting the birth rate, because you have an almost infinite supply of people happy to come here.

Somehow they haven't accepted that the same people that move here learn how expensive it is and they too stop having babies the same as the existing people here, so they then need to import even more people.

This current crisis is terrible. The government have really dropped the ball on this one. They have imported a shed load of new people, and then wondered why house prices and rents have soared even more. That's just inexcusable for the people that are already here and trying to get by and want to buy or rent.

Just to remind people, the policy that was meant for the government to actually create so many new houses each year (to try and reduce the effect of too much migration), was actually just the opening up of planning rules to encourage developers to build more and crowd even more people into existing suburbs... leading to a poorer living experience for people.

Which apparently wasn't good enough anyway, so these new houses just aren't happening.

What a terrible situation! What a terrible policy. If I were in my 20's or even 30's I would be pretty angry with the government right now and there's no way in hell I would elect them for another term.

Seems as though Israel just attacked Iran.

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-19/missiles-reportedly-hit-iran-site/103677406

What a mess.

www.jpost.com/international/article-797820
ICC considering issuing war crimes arrest warrants for Netanyahu, others - report
The surprising news could be inexact given ICC's jurisdictional rules

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FlySurfer said..
www.jpost.com/international/article-797820
ICC considering issuing war crimes arrest warrants for Netanyahu, others - report
The surprising news could be inexact given ICC's jurisdictional rules

Lock the war lord c(!)nt up, dehuminise him, like a Palestinian prisoner in one of his own concentration camps.

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-19/mounting-allegations-israel-torturing-palestinians/103744748

'I've been clear': Wong denies giving in to terrorism

What a shameful government this is, a hostile act towards a liberal democracy and long standing ally in order to support and enable a LISTED repressive terrorist regime guilty of heinous crimes that they openly publish and celebrate and promise to continue.

Part of a peace process she says, she must have missed the part where Hamass have promised no peace, ever, with the Jews.

I don't get it, is it stupidity or something worse.

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'I've been clear': Wong denies giving in to terrorism

What a shameful government this is, a hostile act towards a liberal democracy and long standing ally in order to support and enable a LISTED repressive terrorist regime guilty of heinous crimes that they openly publish and celebrate and promise to continue.

Part of a peace process she says, she must have missed the part where Hamass have promised no peace, ever, with the Jews.

I don't get it, is it stupidity or something worse.

Its a very difficult problem. If what has not worked in the past is still not working, is it worth changing approach to something else?

My personal opinion is that unless they were hand-held the entire way, and probably even then, the creation of a new state would end up pretty much the same way it is now, just with a separate entity. I think it would take a lot to create a fair, well managed nation, and the existing terrorists would surely tear it apart as there would be some small reason it didn't align with what they wanted. It's easy to be against someone as a common enemy. Far harder to agree on things that involve creating things.

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'I've been clear': Wong denies giving in to terrorism

What a shameful government this is, a hostile act towards a liberal democracy and long standing ally in order to support and enable a LISTED repressive terrorist regime guilty of heinous crimes that they openly publish and celebrate and promise to continue.

Part of a peace process she says, she must have missed the part where Hamass have promised no peace, ever, with the Jews.

I don't get it, is it stupidity or something worse.

Gaza and Hamas does not constitute the Palestinian state. Most of it is the West Bank occupied territory.
Never let facts interfere with a rant

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cammd said..
'I've been clear': Wong denies giving in to terrorism

What a shameful government this is, a hostile act towards a liberal democracy and long standing ally in order to support and enable a LISTED repressive terrorist regime guilty of heinous crimes that they openly publish and celebrate and promise to continue.

Part of a peace process she says, she must have missed the part where Hamass have promised no peace, ever, with the Jews.

I don't get it, is it stupidity or something worse.

Gaza and Hamas does not constitute the Palestinian state. Most of it is the West Bank occupied territory.
Never let facts interfere with a rant

Who runs this "Palestinian State", why doesn't Penny Wong just ask them kindly to return the hostages and get Hamas to dissolve itself so peace talks can begin. I am positive Israel would be more than happy to oblige under those conditions.

I don't think she is that stupid, are you?

Israel is on the nose. They are losing the war. Too caught up in getting revenge.

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Israel is on the nose. They are losing the war. Too caught up in getting revenge.

Losing the war......i was educated or is that indoctrinated to believe that you need two sides to have a fight /war.

No, this is a slaughter involving hundreds of thousands of innocents.

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cammd said..
'I've been clear': Wong denies giving in to terrorism

What a shameful government this is, a hostile act towards a liberal democracy and long standing ally in order to support and enable a LISTED repressive terrorist regime guilty of heinous crimes that they openly publish and celebrate and promise to continue.

Part of a peace process she says, she must have missed the part where Hamass have promised no peace, ever, with the Jews.

I don't get it, is it stupidity or something worse.

Its a very difficult problem. If what has not worked in the past is still not working, is it worth changing approach to something else?

My personal opinion is that unless they were hand-held the entire way, and probably even then, the creation of a new state would end up pretty much the same way it is now, just with a separate entity. I think it would take a lot to create a fair, well managed nation, and the existing terrorists would surely tear it apart as there would be some small reason it didn't align with what they wanted. It's easy to be against someone as a common enemy. Far harder to agree on things that involve creating things.

Yes, I agree but rather than face this truth its easier to blame the Jews for all the Palestinian problems. That's the M.O. of the left, there is always an oppresser who is to blame.

At the beginning of the First World War there were 550k arabs in Palestine and 80k Jews.

And zero conflict.

The British gave their support to the Zionist goal of creating a Jewish homeland in return for convincing the Yanks to join the first world.

Good luck trying to convince the arabs that they should share their homeland with a crowd of Eastern Europeans who have used constant aggression in order to hang onto what is not theirs.

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myscreenname said..
Israel is on the nose. They are losing the war. Too caught up in getting revenge.

Losing the war......i was educated or is that indoctrinated to believe that you need two sides to have a fight /war.

No, this is a slaughter involving hundreds of thousands of innocents.

That theory sounds as plausible as the Ameicans doing haarp tech. experiments in Antarctica causing all the Aurora's happening in high latitudes over the weekend.

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At the beginning of the First World War there were 550k arabs in Palestine and 80k Jews.

And zero conflict.

The British gave their support to the Zionist goal of creating a Jewish homeland in return for convincing the Yanks to join the first world.

Good luck trying to convince the arabs that they should share their homeland with a crowd of Eastern Europeans who have used constant aggression in order to hang onto what is not theirs.

Jews are indigenous to Israel

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Losing the war......i was educated or is that indoctrinated to believe that you need two sides to have a fight /war.

No, this is a slaughter involving hundreds of thousands of innocents.

It's disgraceful. Israel is calling it a war, but from what I can see it's not any different to what we all saw happen during the Srebrenica massacre.

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Its a very difficult problem. If what has not worked in the past is still not working, is it worth changing approach to something else?

My personal opinion is that unless they were hand-held the entire way, and probably even then, the creation of a new state would end up pretty much the same way it is now, just with a separate entity. I think it would take a lot to create a fair, well managed nation, and the existing terrorists would surely tear it apart as there would be some small reason it didn't align with what they wanted. It's easy to be against someone as a common enemy. Far harder to agree on things that involve creating things.

Fairs fair, you disputed the 30,000 dead some weeks back, based on some Jewish propaganda you read when I asked you how many children you want to see dead.

So how many children and civilians do you wish to be slaughtered by the IDF?

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Jews are indigenous to Israel

So are their neighbors. Jews worldwide should be ashamed for the war crimes Israel is committing against their neighbors.

It's bizarre as they are not too different from them. They believe in one god, they reject Jesus, they regard Jerusalem as a holy city, share practices of fasting and almsgiving, as well as dietary laws and other aspects of ritual purity.

And the idiots don't eat bacon.

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japie said..
At the beginning of the First World War there were 550k arabs in Palestine and 80k Jews.

And zero conflict.

The British gave their support to the Zionist goal of creating a Jewish homeland in return for convincing the Yanks to join the first world.

Good luck trying to convince the arabs that they should share their homeland with a crowd of Eastern Europeans who have used constant aggression in order to hang onto what is not theirs.

Jews are indigenous to Israel

If you are inferring that that gives them a claim to Palestine the claim is tenuous at its best.

What is a Jew? You can, and many have over the centuries, converted to Judaism. The converted are then classified as Jews. Khazars ring a bell? Do they have a legitimate claim on Palestine? Because they surely are not indigenous to Palestine.

Palestinians are also indigenous to Palestine. ( Israel was never a feature on the map until recently). Until relatively recently they were in the majority.
Early Christians were also indigenous to Palestine. Does that mean Christians have a legitimate claim on Palestine?

The fact is that the British government made an illegal commitment with a political entity, Zionists, supporting the Zionists goal to establish a Jewish state in Palestine in exchange for convincing the Yanks to join the First World War.
Which understandably got up the nose of the Germans, who were well and truly in control prior to the American involvement, and ultimately resulted in the Holocaust.

Another point to consider is that there is a substantial number of Jews who are highly critical of Zionism and that there always have been.

You ought to take into consideration what some of them have to say before committing yourself to supporting what can only be described as utterly disgusting behaviour.

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FormulaNova said..

cammd said..
'I've been clear': Wong denies giving in to terrorism

What a shameful government this is, a hostile act towards a liberal democracy and long standing ally in order to support and enable a LISTED repressive terrorist regime guilty of heinous crimes that they openly publish and celebrate and promise to continue.

Part of a peace process she says, she must have missed the part where Hamass have promised no peace, ever, with the Jews.

I don't get it, is it stupidity or something worse.

Its a very difficult problem. If what has not worked in the past is still not working, is it worth changing approach to something else?

My personal opinion is that unless they were hand-held the entire way, and probably even then, the creation of a new state would end up pretty much the same way it is now, just with a separate entity. I think it would take a lot to create a fair, well managed nation, and the existing terrorists would surely tear it apart as there would be some small reason it didn't align with what they wanted. It's easy to be against someone as a common enemy. Far harder to agree on things that involve creating things.

Yes, I agree but rather than face this truth its easier to blame the Jews for all the Palestinian problems. That's the M.O. of the left, there is always an oppresser who is to blame.

I would say I am Left leaning. How come then I disagree with that viewpoint?

Is it that 'the Left' is just a lazy way of labelling people?

Sort of like when people resort to labelling anyone and grouping a huge number together under one name?

Do 'Leftish people' resort to labelling people as right wing? I don't. Mostly. Most of the time.

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FormulaNova said..
Its a very difficult problem. If what has not worked in the past is still not working, is it worth changing approach to something else?

My personal opinion is that unless they were hand-held the entire way, and probably even then, the creation of a new state would end up pretty much the same way it is now, just with a separate entity. I think it would take a lot to create a fair, well managed nation, and the existing terrorists would surely tear it apart as there would be some small reason it didn't align with what they wanted. It's easy to be against someone as a common enemy. Far harder to agree on things that involve creating things.

Fairs fair, you disputed the 30,000 dead some weeks back, based on some Jewish propaganda you read when I asked you how many children you want to see dead.

So how many children and civilians do you wish to be slaughtered by the IDF?

Oh, I am not getting caught up in that old chestnut...! (Isn't that the lame-arse reply you gave to something I asked a while back?).

I will answer that question though, after you answer 'do you prefer the slaughter of kittens or puppies?'

Seriously, this is a difficult problem. Just going 'them guys are bad, the others must be good' is just silly. I would agree that Israel is a dangerous opponent. I would also agree that Hamas are.

Who wins? Us for being away from all that crap.

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cammd said..
Jews are indigenous to Israel

So are their neighbors. Jews worldwide should be ashamed for the war crimes Israel is committing against their neighbors.

It's bizarre as they are not too different from them. They believe in one god, they reject Jesus, they regard Jerusalem as a holy city, share practices of fasting and almsgiving, as well as dietary laws and other aspects of ritual purity.

And the idiots don't eat bacon.

The IDF is fighting an enemy that hides in tunnels beneath a civilian population and actively use them as shields, you consistently refuse to recognise that fact.

The only army that has had a remotely similar task to remove an embedded enemy from within a dense civilian population was the US trying to route the Japanese from Manila in WW2, over 100,000 civilians died in that battle.

Hamas are totally responsible for the civilian deaths in Gaza, I am 100 percent convinced the brave men and women of the IDF care more for Palestinian civilians than Hamas do.

How you can possibly support a terrorist organisation is beyond comprehension.

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cammd said..

FormulaNova said..

cammd said..
'I've been clear': Wong denies giving in to terrorism

What a shameful government this is, a hostile act towards a liberal democracy and long standing ally in order to support and enable a LISTED repressive terrorist regime guilty of heinous crimes that they openly publish and celebrate and promise to continue.

Part of a peace process she says, she must have missed the part where Hamass have promised no peace, ever, with the Jews.

I don't get it, is it stupidity or something worse.

Its a very difficult problem. If what has not worked in the past is still not working, is it worth changing approach to something else?

My personal opinion is that unless they were hand-held the entire way, and probably even then, the creation of a new state would end up pretty much the same way it is now, just with a separate entity. I think it would take a lot to create a fair, well managed nation, and the existing terrorists would surely tear it apart as there would be some small reason it didn't align with what they wanted. It's easy to be against someone as a common enemy. Far harder to agree on things that involve creating things.

Yes, I agree but rather than face this truth its easier to blame the Jews for all the Palestinian problems. That's the M.O. of the left, there is always an oppresser who is to blame.

I would say I am Left leaning. How come then I disagree with that viewpoint?

Is it that 'the Left' is just a lazy way of labelling people?

Sort of like when people resort to labelling anyone and grouping a huge number together under one name?

Do 'Leftish people' resort to labelling people as right wing? I don't. Mostly. Most of the time.

Sorry should have said the extreme left.

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The IDF is fighting an enemy that hides in tunnels beneath a civilian population and actively use them as shields, you consistently refuse to recognise that fact.

The only army that has had a remotely similar task to remove an embedded enemy from within a dense civilian population was the US trying to route the Japanese from Manila in WW2, over 100,000 civilians died in that battle.

Hamas are totally responsible for the civilian deaths in Gaza, I am 100 percent convinced the brave men and women of the IDF care more for Palestinian civilians than Hamas do.

How you can possibly support a terrorist organisation is beyond comprehension.

Imagine if you will, an apparently civilised nation, who would drop an atomic bomb on an entire city of humans... imagine dropping a second bomb on another city.

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FormulaNova said..

I would say I am Left leaning. How come then I disagree with that viewpoint?

Is it that 'the Left' is just a lazy way of labelling people?

Sort of like when people resort to labelling anyone and grouping a huge number together under one name?

Do 'Leftish people' resort to labelling people as right wing? I don't. Mostly. Most of the time.

freakonomics.com/podcast/are-we-living-through-the-most-revolutionary-period-in-history/

Several weeks ago Philin posted this interview with Fareed Zakaria - journalist, author and political commentator - who believes that we are living through the most revolutionary period in history.

In it he talks about this idea of left and right and its origins. He also discusses Israel and Palestine and many other things. I thought it was worth listening to.

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cammd said..

japie said..
At the beginning of the First World War there were 550k arabs in Palestine and 80k Jews.

And zero conflict.

The British gave their support to the Zionist goal of creating a Jewish homeland in return for convincing the Yanks to join the first world.

Good luck trying to convince the arabs that they should share their homeland with a crowd of Eastern Europeans who have used constant aggression in order to hang onto what is not theirs.

Jews are indigenous to Israel

If you are inferring that that gives them a claim to Palestine the claim is tenuous at its best.

What is a Jew? You can, and many have over the centuries, converted to Judaism. The converted are then classified as Jews. Khazars ring a bell? Do they have a legitimate claim on Palestine? Because they surely are not indigenous to Palestine.

Palestinians are also indigenous to Palestine. ( Israel was never a feature on the map until recently). Until relatively recently they were in the majority.
Early Christians were also indigenous to Palestine. Does that mean Christians have a legitimate claim on Palestine?

The fact is that the British government made an illegal commitment with a political entity, Zionists, supporting the Zionists goal to establish a Jewish state in Palestine in exchange for convincing the Yanks to join the First World War.
Which understandably got up the nose of the Germans, who were well and truly in control prior to the American involvement, and ultimately resulted in the Holocaust.

Another point to consider is that there is a substantial number of Jews who are highly critical of Zionism and that there always have been.

You ought to take into consideration what some of them have to say before committing yourself to supporting what can only be described as utterly disgusting behaviour.

I don't know why you keep bringing up the Zionism and the Germans, is it some sort of justification for the holocaust. Are you saying the jews brought it on themselves. What point are you trying to make.

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myscreenname said..
Israel is on the nose. They are losing the war. Too caught up in getting revenge.

Losing the war......i was educated or is that indoctrinated to believe that you need two sides to have a fight /war.

No, this is a slaughter involving hundreds of thousands of innocents.

Hamas is a democratically elected party. Elected with policys like, 'we'll get them Jews'. Not everybody voted for them. Some of them are innocent.

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cammd said..

The IDF is fighting an enemy that hides in tunnels beneath a civilian population and actively use them as shields, you consistently refuse to recognise that fact.

The only army that has had a remotely similar task to remove an embedded enemy from within a dense civilian population was the US trying to route the Japanese from Manila in WW2, over 100,000 civilians died in that battle.

Hamas are totally responsible for the civilian deaths in Gaza, I am 100 percent convinced the brave men and women of the IDF care more for Palestinian civilians than Hamas do.

How you can possibly support a terrorist organisation is beyond comprehension.

Imagine if you will, an apparently civilised nation, who would drop an atomic bomb on an entire city of humans... imagine dropping a second bomb on another city.

An estimated 10 million people died because of Japanese occupation in WW2. You select facts carefully to support your idealogy don't you.

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psychojoe said..
Hamas is a democratically elected party. Elected with policys like, 'we'll get them Jews'. Not everybody voted for them. Some of them are innocent.

More accurately 90% of them are innocent and didn't vote for Hamas.

In January 2006 the Palestinian territories held their last parliamentary elections.

Hamas won by a slim majority (44% to 41%) to the Fatah party - who recognize Israel's right to exist and support negotiations for a two-state solution.

As neither Hamas or Fatah wanted to share power, fighting broke out between the two groups. Hamas began murdering Fatah members and drove the remaining members to the West Bank. Hamas then took total control of the Gaza Strip.

Surprise surprise, Hamas' rule of Gaza is not what Palestinians voted for back in 2006. The median age of Gazans is 18, half of the Gazan population weren't even born when the election took place.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)

www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897328/half-of-gazas-population-is-under-18-heres-what-that-means-for-the-conflict