I agree with Ms Wong, a two state solution seems to be the only hope for lasting peace.

Israel has agreed more than once in the past going as far back as 1948, I don't think Hamas or any Palestinian authority for that matter, has ever agreed. "From the River to Sea" is not a two state solution.

So if Hamas have no place in that solution how does anyone propose to convince Hamas to crawl out from under the Kindies and Hospitals and step aside. She didn't mention that part of the solution

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cammd said..
I agree with Ms Wong, a two state solution seems to be the only hope for lasting peace.

Israel has agreed more than once in the past going as far back as 1948, I don't think Hamas or any Palestinian authority for that matter, has ever agreed. "From the River to Sea" is not a two state solution.

So if Hamas have no place in that solution how does anyone propose to convince Hamas to crawl out from under the Kindies and Hospitals and step aside. She didn't mention that part of the solution

Makes more sense than the largest open air prison, that has been in place. But it seems Israel sadly believes in genocide.

Ms Wong and the Seabreeze community, both being the experts in the matter should be able to fix this easily.

myscreenname what makes it a genocide?

For anyone interested in information sources outside the MSM. Have a listen to Yair Pinto as he runs through the latest news from the conflict from an Israeli viewpoint. In the first 40 seconds he talks about the possibility of WW3 if Iran launches an attack.

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raynef2005 said..
myscreenname what makes it a genocide?

Looks like genocide, sounds like genocide.Tens of thousands of men women and at least 13000 children have been slaughtered. All infrastructure erased: schools, hospitals, ports, etc. This is no war of equals, where people can even defend themselves, like they can in Ukraine.

It's disgraceful, its totally unbelievable and unacceptable. History will show this and currently, Israel are on the wrong side of it.

I'm unable to offer a concise definition on what makes genocide that you would ever accept.

You obviously have some doubts that this is genocide, maybe you can back that up and tell the Seabreeze community how you can justify that the attack on Gaza is a measured response by the IDF.

Can you do that?

Until then let's stick with what's going on in Gaza - genocide and it needs to stop immediately.

I love bush doofs almost as much as paragliding

I wonder what war will get started by people kiteboarding in

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cammd said..
For anyone interested in information sources outside the MSM. Have a listen to Yair Pinto as he runs through the latest news from the conflict from an Israeli viewpoint. In the first 40 seconds he talks about the possibility of WW3 if Iran launches an attack.

Cue Joe Biden. ?si=uzeCAEiqVwOc5qqx

Israel, as sure as little green apples, always had a purpose. It doesn't take a genius to realise that the global economy is on the breech of collapse. Like Gerald Celente is fond of saying "when all else fails they take us to war".

There never was and never will be any move by Israel to accept a two state solution.

It's not in the game plan.

Who's game plan, America's or Iran's

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cammd said..
Who's game plan, America's or Iran's

Globalist's

Iran is reactionary. Unsurprisingly. Had they not been first off the rank for regime change In 1953 the situation would likely be completely different.

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maybe you can back that up and tell the Seabreeze community how you can justify that the attack on Gaza is a measured response by the IDF.

Define what a measured response is, and how that would be achieved? Are you saying Israel should have only fired enough rockets to kill 1,200 Palestinians? What would then be the point of a measured response?

A few facts:

1. There was a ceasefire in place on October 6, 2023.
2. Hamas broke that ceasefire on October 7.
3. If Hamas were serious about another ceasefire they would release the hostages (cliche but true).
3. Hamas wants nothing more than the complete destruction of Israel. They have proclaimed this over and over. They are Jihadists.
4. Israel have the military capability to flatten Gaza in 1 day. Do you seriously think that if they truly wanted to exterminate the Gazans they would go about it the way they have?
5. Israel has made mistakes. Is it acceptable that they've made mistakes? No. Is it possible to not make mistakes during a war? It's probably extremely difficult, even by the most advanced military power. How many mistakes did the coalition forces make in Afghanistan / Iraq?
6. Palestine has received more aid than just about any other country in the modern era. Hamas has been using that money to buy rockets.
7. The only way for this to be resolved satisfactorily is for Israel to completely eradicate Hamas. There is no other way.

The precise reason that Hamas launched their attack on Israel was not to try and destroy Israel. They don't have the means and they know that. If they had the means, they would have tried to destroy Israel. The precise reason was to invoke the kind of response they got from Israel, with the hope that that response would turn liberal leftists the world over against Israel. The Jihadists were highly successful.

I hate that so many people have died but I cannot envision how else this could have played out. Please enlighten me as to what the alternative should have been after October 7.

Oh, and as a bonus hypothetical, what would be a reasonable response if the PNG government carried out a similar attack on Cairns?

I'm waiting for Israel to come up with its own Marshall Plan, but I'm not holding my breath.
The only 2 state solution that works is the one where Palestine returns to its boundaries before the Balfour declaration and Jewish Israelis return to Europe and the Americas.
If anybody thinks that peace will come from a treaty made by the "leaders" of the Palestinians and Israelis, have a look at Northern Ireland or the Balkan wars. Groups who dissent from the deal will continue to fight over their stolen ancestral land.

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raynef2005 said..
I hate that so many people have died

I completely agree and that's why I am sickened by this genocide that the IDF is committing in Gaza.

I find it pathetic that more Israelies are not standing up and demanding an end to this insanity.

the only people who believe anything israel says
also believe electric vehicles will save the planet
and the vaccine is safe and effective

I thought a 2 state solution was windsurfers in the best zone and Kiters downwind in the crappy area.

Nah, that's just called WA.

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theDoctor said..

the only people who believe anything israel says
also believe electric vehicles will save the planet
and the vaccine is safe and effective

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That's tha power of propaganda

Below is a list of items the United Nations and other aid agencies say Israeli authorities have blocked from entering Gaza at least once since Oct. 7:

anesthetics
animal feed
cardiac catheters
chemical water quality testing kits
chocolate croissants
crutches
field hospital boxes
flak jackets and helmets for aid workers
fittings for water pipeline repair
generators for hospitals
green tents and sleeping bags
maternity kits
medical thread in reproductive health kits
medical scissors in children's aid kits
microbiological water-testing kits
mobile desalination units with solar system and generators
nail clippers in hygiene kits
obstetric clamps
oxygen concentrators
oxygen cylinders
power supply equipment
prefabricated shelters
satellite communication kits
scissors and scalpels in midwifery kits
sleeping bags with zippers
solar panels
solar-powered lamps and flashlights
solar-powered medical refrigerators
spare parts for pumps and generators
stone fruits
surgical tools for doctors
tap-stand kits for water distribution
tent poles
toys in wooden boxes
ultrasound equipment
ventilators
water bladders
water filters and purification tablets
water pumps
wheelchairs, glucose measuring devices, syringes and other medical equipment on a truck rejected for a different item
X-ray machines

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/11/israel-aid-gaza-banned-blocked/

Report: Israeli doctor says detained Palestinians are undergoing 'routine' amputations for handcuff injuries

edition.cnn.com/2024/04/06/middleeast/doctor-israel-hospital-conditions-intl/index.html

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japie said..
Report: Israeli doctor says detained Palestinians are undergoing 'routine' amputations for handcuff injuries

edition.cnn.com/2024/04/06/middleeast/doctor-israel-hospital-conditions-intl/index.htm

Never would have thought I would see you cite CNN as a reliable source. I guess it suits you this time.

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the only people who believe anything israel says
also believe electric vehicles will save the planet
and the vaccine is safe and effective

Israel said Hamas attacked them on Oct 7th, you don't believe that happened?
your probably alongside Japie in thinking the holocaust was a hoax, which btw is on the same conspiritard level as a flat earth

Well done Miriam Margolyes. Nailed it!

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cammd said..
Israel said Hamas attacked them on Oct 7th, you don't believe that happened?
your probably alongside Japie in thinking the holocaust was a hoax, which btw is on the same conspiritard level as a flat earth

For someone who is a self proclaimed pro-lifer, how does the genocide in Gaza fit with those values? lol

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japie said..
Report: Israeli doctor says detained Palestinians are undergoing 'routine' amputations for handcuff injuries

edition.cnn.com/2024/04/06/middleeast/doctor-israel-hospital-conditions-intl/index.htm

Never would have thought I would see you cite CNN as a reliable source. I guess it suits you this time.

theDoctor said..

the only people who believe anything israel says
also believe electric vehicles will save the planet
and the vaccine is safe and effective

Israel said Hamas attacked them on Oct 7th, you don't believe that happened?
your probably alongside Japie in thinking the holocaust was a hoax, which btw is on the same conspiritard level as a flat earth

The doc is on the money.

Cammed, ask yourself who benefits. It certainly was not the Palestinians.

Have you done in depth research into the FE or are you like japie and his hotel mate who have swallowed their theory hook, line and sinker and therefore can never possibly escape from it

Defending heliocentrism based purely on faith and not on their senses.

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cammd said..
Israel said Hamas attacked them on Oct 7th, you don't believe that happened?
your probably alongside Japie in thinking the holocaust was a hoax, which btw is on the same conspiritard level as a flat earth

For someone who is a self proclaimed pro-lifer, how does the genocide in Gaza fit with those values? lol

I have to admit i agree with myscreenname here.

The word hypocrisy instantly sprung to mind.

There are layers to the matrix that takes time to unravel.

You will get there but not with a closed mind.

Iran is behind the Hamas attack on Israel. And Russia benefits the most. Global instability pushes up oil prices.

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cammd said..
Israel said Hamas attacked them on Oct 7th, you don't believe that happened?
your probably alongside Japie in thinking the holocaust was a hoax, which btw is on the same conspiritard level as a flat earth

For someone who is a self proclaimed pro-lifer, how does the genocide in Gaza fit with those values? lol

First I don't believe its a Genocide, that is a slur that leftards go to anytime, sorry everytime they oppose something. The activists at home constantly claim there is a genocide happening here in Australia FFS. it's just horses%*t, Gaza would be the only genocide in history where the population has grown, what is happening is a war.

As I have already stated before, if Hamas et al put down their arms the war would be over. Israel would cease military actions, they would not go around shooting civilians indiscriminatley like Hamas did, we all know that is true.

If Israel stopped defending itself, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and Iran plus friends would all invade before the sun went down and wipe Israel from the map. "From the River to the Sea" right. You don't have to believe me its openly stated everywhere you look, everything you see plain as day. There is no shame for them they want Israel gone and every Jew with it. We all know that's true, they tell us openly.

Israel is fighting to exist. They are the only Liberal democracy in the region and you want them gone. I'm on the side of freedom and democracy, those are my values, not oppression and totalitarianism that you seem to be supporting.

Anyway why don't I hear you or anyone of the pro palestine terrorist crowd calling for Iran to stop sending drones and missles or Hezbollah to stop shooting at Israel.

You want the war to stop then start calling for the agressor's who started it to stop shooting. Israel was respecting a ceasefire before Oct 7th. You ignore facts. Is it willful ignorance or just anti semitism.

For someone opposed to abortion the values of defending your country sit fine with those of defending an unborn baby.

What gets me about this is that it's almost impossible to hear Israel's version of events in the media (except within the first week).

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cammd said..

japie said..
Report: Israeli doctor says detained Palestinians are undergoing 'routine' amputations for handcuff injuries

edition.cnn.com/2024/04/06/middleeast/doctor-israel-hospital-conditions-intl/index.htm

Never would have thought I would see you cite CNN as a reliable source. I guess it suits you this time.

theDoctor said..

the only people who believe anything israel says
also believe electric vehicles will save the planet
and the vaccine is safe and effective

Israel said Hamas attacked them on Oct 7th, you don't believe that happened?
your probably alongside Japie in thinking the holocaust was a hoax, which btw is on the same conspiritard level as a flat earth

The doc is on the money.

Cammed, ask yourself who benefits. It certainly was not the Palestinians.

Have you done in depth research into the FE or are you like japie and his hotel mate who have swallowed their theory hook, line and sinker and therefore can never possibly escape from it

Defending heliocentrism based purely on faith and not on their senses.

Sorry Pete your not helping win any arguments when you bring Flat Earth theory forward as supporting evidence.

What money is Doc on anyway all he said is "don't believe anything Israel says", maybe he should have said don't believe everything Israel says, the former just reaks of antisemitism.

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Well done Miriam Margolyes. Nailed it!

She didn't call for Hamas to stop, or Iran to stop, or Hezbollah to stop. Why not? Below is what Israel can expect if they stop defending themselves. Hamas have vowed "time and time again until Israel is annihilated" WTF would you do in the face of that, just roll over? Miriam is a moron, she just ignores the stated aims of Hamas which are clearly not just threats.

Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: "Israel is a country that has no place on our land [.] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation." (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks "time and again until Israel is annihilated," and expressing a desire to "sacrifice martyrs" (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas' ideological aim of destroying Israel.

Would you expect the Australian Government to stop defending our country if we were facing this type of threat.

Something getting to you Cammd?

Your moral compass doesn't need recalibration.

It's unhinged.

Hahahahahaha!
PC: Defending heliocentrism based purely on faith and not on their senses.

Except when we go outside and look, the evidence of our eyes does not match your claims.

In fact, you have not provided any evidence to support your belief in a Flat Earth.

So, really it is you who is: Defending Flat Earth based purely on faith and not on your senses.

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bjw said..
What gets me about this is that it's almost impossible to hear Israel's version of events in the media (except within the first week).

I think this is true, we don't hear much at all. Even Israelies around the world are pretty well silent.

Israel are likely not talking much as they've failed to get their hostages back. What we do know is: In six months they've killed more than 30,000 Palestinians, rescued 3 hostages and mistakingly killed 3 others. Israel don't seem to have a plan for Gaza this hasn't been communicated either. I mean what happens, does it go back to a harsher open air prison, will they recognise Gaza as another state?

All we know is that the IDF won't stop until Hamas is destroyed in Gaza. Problem is Hamas is all around them and the Genocide is creating a breeding ground of hatred within many of Israel's neigbors.

Maybe this is the beginning of the end for Israel.