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Pcdefender said..
Tell me cammd, how many do you think were killed in this bombing of a residential complex?

Moment Israeli strikes hit residential complex in Gaza's Khan Yunis | AFP (youtube.com)

bit sobering isn't it, especially when both sides are probably thinking they are doing it 'in the name of god'.

In the past the Israelis would give notice of which buildings they were targeting. I wonder if they bother to do this still?

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Pcdefender said..
Tell me cammd, how many do you think were killed in this bombing of a residential complex?

Moment Israeli strikes hit residential complex in Gaza's Khan Yunis | AFP (youtube.com)

bit sobering isn't it, especially when both sides are probably thinking they are doing it 'in the name of god'.

In the past the Israelis would give notice of which buildings they were targeting. I wonder if they bother to do this still?

They moved a million people out of Rafah before they commenced operations, the US didn't think it was possible but it is, you can move a hundred thousand people out a stadium in a few hours. They drop leaflets, text messages etc they don't target civilians,

So the claim of genocide is unfounded, its a war.

PCDefender open your eyes, do you see groups of Jews all over the world chanting death to the Palestinians and waving banners calling for the annihilation of an entire country of people, no you don't, what you see is pro Palestinian groups doing that. All over the world you see "from the river to the sea" you see massive antisemitism everywhere, even before Israel retaliated, do you remember people celebrating the rape and torture and death of civilians on the steps of the Opera House. Open your eyes

Israel is defending itself against an enemy that hides behind civilians that wants it eliminated, that have promised to eliminate it, and Israel is doing it the most difficult situation with the least amount of civilian casualties any army in history has every managed to achieve. Check the UN numbers, don't just guess and then double it.

Your cowardly claims against the brave men and women of the IDF are shameful, they are young people the same age as the protestors at universities in the west. Instead of being entitled little whingers complaining about everything they are stepping up and putting their life on the line to defend their county from an evil terrorist group. They deserve the same respect as our service men and women.

Don't accuse them of something as evil as genocide when it is patently untrue, that's a shameful thing to do.

I guess that as Israel considers any Palestinian between the ages of 12 and 65 to be a terrorist, it couldn't be called genocide.

And if they aren't a terrorist themselves then they almost certainly have a terrorist hiding behind them so it definetly isn't genocide.

And that must be true because when you steal their land and cram them into an area so small the population density is greater than that of London then the terrorists must be hiding behind somebody. Cram a million people into Rafah and the population density goes to 16,000 per sqm km. In context that means every individual has an area equivantly of 8m x 8m. And they are ungrateful for this ?

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cammd said..

PCDefender open your eyes, do you see groups of Jews all over the world chanting death to the Palestinians and waving banners calling for the annihilation of an entire country of people, no you don't, what you see is ...

What you see is the Israeli government doing that so the people don't have to..

Last year, Israel's far-right finance minister Smotrich said that he believes there is "no such thing" as Palestinian people, and earlier this year he admitted Gaza is a "ghetto" and said it should be resettled for Israelis.

www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-gaza-resettlement-conference-smotrich-ben-gvir-karhi_n_65b7dbace4b077c17ab5fcc7
www.huffpost.com/entry/israeli-official-gaza-ghetto-palestinians_n_6591f45de4b0b01d3e40260c
www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-minister-palestine-apartheid-west-bank_n_6418726de4b0a3902d31d9e1

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Carantoc said..
I guess that as Israel considers any Palestinian between the ages of 12 and 65 to be a terrorist, it couldn't be called genocide.

And if they aren't a terrorist themselves then they almost certainly have a terrorist hiding behind them so it definetly isn't genocide.

And that must be true because when you steal their land and cram them into an area so small the population density is greater than that of London then the terrorists must be hiding behind somebody. Cram a million people into Rafah and the population density goes to 16,000 per sqm km. In context that means every individual has an area equivantly of 8m x 8m. And they are ungrateful for this ?

The ratio of civilian deaths to combatants is less than 1 to 1, no army in history has achieved that in a conflict in an urban populated environment. That is not a genocide

Great care is being taken to minimise civilian casualties by one side, the other side released a statement welcoming the glorious martyrs..... that they hide behind.

facts do not support your false claim, its not a genocide its a war.

BTW - Hamas do not and have never wanted a two state solution, are you suggesting Israel just evaporate and disappear, I am sure Hamas would be willing to assist.

I'm no expert on the Middle East crisis. But wouldn't the death and destruction be over if Hamas fighters... Stopped firing rockets into Israel, returned remaining hostages unharmed and surrendered?

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remery said..
I'm no expert on the Middle East crisis. But wouldn't the death and destruction be over if Hamas fighters... Stopped firing rockets into Israel, returned remaining hostages unharmed and surrendered?

You'd like to think so.

But I'd guess the Bedouin community of Jabal Al Bab, and all the other people displaced by Isreali settlements in the occupied territories might have a different expectation. I guess those killed by Israeli settlers wouldn't have any expectation any more.

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-22/why-israel-gaza-war-could-change-e1-west-bank-settlement/103231782

I'm no expert on the Middle East crisis. But I don't think it matters what happens, the death and destruction will never be over. Best we can hope for is that it remains in the Middle East and is as small and isolated as possible.

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The ratio of civilian deaths to combatants is less than 1 to 1,

I never said it was genocide. Don't let my sarcasm lead down an assumption.

But anyways, do you ahve any figures for that 1:1 ? UN reports put women and children at 52%, elderly at 8% and adult men at 40% of Palestinian deaths directly from the conflict. Even if you consider 100% of men in Gaza are terrorists you don't get to 1:1.

I am not suggetsing Israel disappers. I am suggesting that governance and religion should be separate. Like they are in the western world. Not like they are in Jewish Israel or many hardline Islamic nations.

Separation of government, religion and judiciary is a big part of the relatively pleasant society we live in. A two state solution based on what religion you were born into will surely do nothing but prolong the conflict.

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remery said..
I'm no expert on the Middle East crisis. But wouldn't the death and destruction be over if Hamas fighters... Stopped firing rockets into Israel, returned remaining hostages unharmed and surrendered?

I probably should have commented, "the current death and destruction".

Israel made the list!

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pariah_state

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cammd said..
The ratio of civilian deaths to combatants is less than 1 to 1,

I never said it was genocide. Don't let my sarcasm lead down an assumption.

But anyways, do you ahve any figures for that 1:1 ? UN reports put women and children at 52%, elderly at 8% and adult men at 40% of Palestinian deaths directly from the conflict. Even if you consider 100% of men in Gaza are terrorists you don't get to 1:1.

I am not suggetsing Israel disappers. I am suggesting that governance and religion should be separate. Like they are in the western world. Not like they are in Jewish Israel or many hardline Islamic nations.

Separation of government, religion and judiciary is a big part of the relatively pleasant society we live in. A two state solution based on what religion you were born into will surely do nothing but prolong the conflict.

As Hamas does not distinguish between military and civilian deaths, the ratio could, according to these figures, vary from anywhere from 2:1 to 9:1. On the other hand, according to the Israel Defense Forces, an estimated less than 1:1 ratio has been reported
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio#:~:text=As%20Hamas%20does%20not%20distinguish,%5B3%5D%5B4%5D.

Let me guess, Hamas figures disagree so you choose to believe the listed terrorist organisation that attacks kids at a music festival, takes hostages and hides under kindergartens. They have more credibility than a professional modern army of a democratic country I assume.

The average civilian casualty ratio in modern warfare is around 9:1 - that is, nine civilians killed for every combatant. In the current war, it is about 1.7:1

Even it it was 9:1 which no one is really suggesting, that would make the IDF on par with any other modern army - not genocide. As it is, it's most likely a lot less than any other army has ever achieved, and this is against an enemy that deliberately use civilians as shields. Not genocide as your sarcasm eluded to.

Facts can be inconvenient can't they.

Again....accusing the men and women of the IDF of genocide is cowardly and shameful and just plain false. It's spreading a lie to the benefit of a listed terrorist organisation. Open your eyes

When Israel loses this war, and leaders from both sides face charges of war crimes. There will be an inevitable humanitarian crisis, the rest of the world can expect another huge wave of refugees which it will have to absorb.

I don't see Israel going back to arpartied. It will be interesting on how much land they will lose when it is divided up yet again.

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myscreenname said..
When Israel loses this war, and leaders from both sides face charges of war crimes. There will be an inevitable humanitarian crisis, the rest of the world can expect another huge wave of refugees which it will have to absorb.

I don't see Israel going back to arpartied. It will be interesting on how much land they will lose when it is divided up yet again.

Refugees are a desired by product of war.

And they keep on coming.

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japie said..
Refugees are a desired by product of war.

Desired? By who.... Oh sorry just realised this is a prompt.

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myscreenname said..

japie said..
Refugees are a desired by product of war.

Desired? By who.... Oh sorry just realised this is a prompt.

The One World Gubbmint champions.

One of their biggest hurdles is resistance by any countries who have a national identity. So to break down resistance you introduce people who have been disenfranchised, (and likely traumatised), who will be Obedient Servants to the governments that they think pulled them out of the manure.

Peter Sutherland makes this quite clear when he says "should undermine national homogeneity".That's his words. His conspiracy. Not mine!

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

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japie said..

myscreenname said..

japie said..
Refugees are a desired by product of war.

Desired? By who.... Oh sorry just realised this is a prompt.

The One World Gubbmint champions.

One of their biggest hurdles is resistance by any countries who have a national identity. So to break down resistance you introduce people who have been disenfranchised, (and likely traumatised), who will be Obedient Servants to the governments that they think pulled them out of the manure.

Peter Sutherland makes this quite clear when he says "should undermine national homogeneity".That's his words. His conspiracy. Not mine!

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

There is push back

Btw I haven't watched this video yet so not sure of the content but did see a rebel news report on the same event

There is push back. World wide. And rightly so.
This in itself is also desired. Anything which is divisive serves a purpose. Push backers are labelled right wing extremists. Yet another problem to be solved.

Problem, reaction solution. QED

Stop using your cards if possible.

The current issue of The Light newspaper has a great article about our coming digital social credit system enslavement.

Once in place there will be NO EXIT.

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Pcdefender said..
Stop using your cards if possible.

The current issue of The Light newspaper has a great article about our coming digital social credit system enslavement.

Once in place there will be NO EXIT.

"The Light is a self-published, monthly British far-right and conspiracy theory newspaper founded by Darren Nesbitt (frequently under the pseudonym Darren Smith) on 27 September 2020, which claims the COVID-19 pandemic was a hoax."

This was posted before with the spelling mistake which seemingly is a convenient excuse for those who prefer to believe the coming digital social credit system is just a theory.

So when's this happening?

Seems to be dragging out, if it happens much slower then most of the rich old fat cat elites will die before they get to see any benefit.

It is being happening incrementally for decades as if you were not aware.

Keep turning a blind eye it is your right.

So who benefits?

Or are these global elites doing it all to benefit future generations?

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Pcdefender said..
It is being happening incrementally for decades as if you were not aware.

Keep turning a blind eye it is your right.

Well I'm very happy to say that I'm an elite and you are not. Keep crying loser.

Individuals and businesses could face huge fines for refusing cash as MPs fight continued move to cashless society | Sky News Australia

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Pcdefender said..
Individuals and businesses could face huge fines for refusing cash as MPs fight continued move to cashless society | Sky News Australia

Easy to see how it would look like the shops are part of a conspiracy to form a cashless society.
Even easier to see that young people are so stupid that they can't give the correct change, which makes employing them a bit challenging.

Where is this in the news these days? Has Israel given up or has the news cycle got bored and moved onto something new?

I also miss updates on Russia's invasion of Ukraine. What is happening there?

Instead, I hear of Nuclear power in Collie and saving money by using the existing power lines to avoid ruining food prices.

It must be a slow news month.

Fresh update below

We could be heros

Hard to know if anything we see or know about the conflict is true or not. We only see one side of it, provided by a known pariah state.

It's kind of interesting, in a bad way, this deal between Vietnam and Russia recently. It's a sign that some nations, who I would have considered borderline democratic are now choosing to join the other team.

I hope western democratic countries begin cutting ties with this problematic failed rogue pariah state. But not holding my breath waiting for it.