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remery said..
Read a peer-reviewed journal if you actually want to be educated.

Happy for you to tell me what is wrong about the study. It was published in VACCINE Journal a peer reviewed publication.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/

sciencebasedmedicine.org/peer-review-fail-vaccine-publishes-antivax-propaganda/

hahaha awesome:

Thacker's report was based on a single "whistleblower" briefly employed at Ventavia but with little to no actual evidence of alleged data falsification, patient unblinding, and worse, with Thacker attempting to generalize these problems (again, without evidence) to the entire Pfizer clinical trial.

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remery said..
sciencebasedmedicine.org/peer-review-fail-vaccine-publishes-antivax-propaganda/

It's Vaccine Journal versus The New England Skeptical Society.

Wonder which one is correct...

Hey, where is the discussion about liver diets and steroid use? we are getting off topic.

Again we are stuck in an anti-vax impasse. Let's just not bother as we will just get to where we were before.

Mmmmm raw liver

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Flying Dutchman said..

remery said..
sciencebasedmedicine.org/peer-review-fail-vaccine-publishes-antivax-propaganda/

It's Vaccine Journal versus The New England Skeptical Society.

Wonder which one is correct...

Reams of information published on the corruption in medical journals including statements from editor of "prestigious" publishers.

One such:

ahrp.org/medical-journals-complicit-in-corruption-of-medicine/

I think Laurie needs to change this forum name from "General" water sports forum,
to
"Conspiracy Theory Forum", seems that's all its used for anymore, can understand why he hid it from the "actual" general public it was meant for, out of embarrassment Im guessing.

It's just about to turn into 2023.
Covid CT talk is soooo 2021.
Get over it,
it happened; Aussies came out of it better than most countries,
Let's move on, get out on the water and enjoy life and not spread twitter/youtube/rumble/clickbait CT junk.
Dwelling on this social media click bait crap endlessly is not going to fix anything, will just waste your life, get out and enjoy it in 2023.
Bring on the new year.

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lotofwind said..
it happened; Aussies came out of it better than most countries

Sure you did don't let the facts get in the way of your blind nationalism.

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lotofwind said..
social media click bait crap

Peer-reviewed medical journals = social media click bait crap

Say no more,
Sure, if you believe click bait stuff and dwell on things, go for it. Or move on and enjoy how good life actually is.
But maybe spread the propaganda on the sites that want that? Don't know why you think seabreeze will help your cause?

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lotofwind said..
Say no more,
Sure, if you believe click bait stuff and dwell on things, go for it. Or move on and enjoy how good life actually is.
But maybe spread the propaganda on the sites that want that? Don't know why you think seabreeze will help your cause?

You're just hanging out for next time's free cash handouts aren't you?

Peer-reviewed medical journals = propaganda

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Flying Dutchman said..

remery said..
sciencebasedmedicine.org/peer-review-fail-vaccine-publishes-antivax-propaganda/

It's Vaccine Journal versus The New England Skeptical Society.

Wonder which one is correct...

Wonder which one will get retracted.

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lotofwind said..move on and enjoy how good life actually is.

Totally agree Epic season so far here, wingding heaven

I might try some raw liver

Ate 1kg of raw liver for a bet in the 80s maybe I was onto a good thing but did not know it

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remery said..
Wonder which one will get retracted.

www.editage.com/insights/what-are-the-most-common-reasons-for-retraction

Depends why it gets retracted.

www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/1/31

Conclusions
In the entire population of an Italian province, followed for an average of 14 months, individuals who received one or more doses of COVID-19 vaccines did not show an increased risk of death for any cause, death unrelated to SARS-CoV-2 infection, or any of the selected potentially vaccine-related serious adverse events requiring hospitalization (myocardial infarction, acute heart failure, cardiac arrest, ischemic or hemorrhagic stroke, coronary artery dissection, aortic or peripheral aneurysm, pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis, and myocarditis, or pericarditis).

Vaccines 2023, 11(1), 31; doi.org/10.3390/vaccines11010031

gab.com/Dissident_Priest/posts/109608511796023032

Medical negligence. Hopefully they will one day be held to account.


Katie Hopkins

gab.com/KTHopkins/posts/109608386119930905

I think if we keep throwing opposing peer reviewed papers at each other one side is likely to crack and admit defeat.

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Flying Dutchman said..
I think if we keep throwing opposing peer reviewed papers at each other one side is likely to crack and admit defeat.

Did you actually mean this? If so, this would be the first time in human history.

Did anyone make a resolution to eat more liver this year and cut down on their steroid use? Perhaps PM33 can cut down on his gab.com usage?

Once upon a time, there was a man named Mack who lived in a small village by the sea. Mack had always been a worrywart, constantly fretting about the past and worrying about the future. He spent so much time dwelling on things that had already happened or might happen that he rarely took the time to enjoy the present moment.

One day, Mack's wise old friend and neighbor, Mr. Lotsawind, noticed how stressed and unhappy Mack seemed. He decided to take him aside and offer some words of wisdom."Mack, my dear boy," Mr. Lotsawind said, "I see how much you worry about the past and the future. But you must remember that the present is all we have. The past is gone and the future is yet to come. The only moment we can truly experience is now. So try to let go of your worries and embrace the present moment.

"Mack was struck by Mr. Lotsawind's words and decided to take his advice. He made a conscious effort to focus on the present and to let go of his worries about the past and future. And to his surprise, he found that he was much happier and more at peace. He realized that by living in the present, he was able to fully experience the joys and wonders of life.

From then on, Mack made it a habit to stay present and to enjoy the moment. And he lived a much more fulfilling and contented life as a result.

Some focus on predictions that will never eventuate based on garbage modelling whilst forcing unrealistic, ineffective policy.

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Some focus on predictions that will never eventuate based on garbage modelling whilst forcing unrealistic, ineffective policy.

Don't remind me. Drove all the way to what should have been a good spot for a sail yesterday based on the BOM Meteye and WillyWeather modelling and there was barely a ripple to be seen when I got there. I think they don't adequately include the wind killing effects of overnight more than forecast rain in their models.

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Mr Milk said..

Rango said..
Some focus on predictions that will never eventuate based on garbage modelling whilst forcing unrealistic, ineffective policy.

Don't remind me. Drove all the way to what should have been a good spot for a sail yesterday based on the BOM Meteye and WillyWeather modelling and there was barely a ripple to be seen when I got there. I think they don't adequately include the wind killing effects of overnight more than forecast rain in their models.

Check the realtime wind graph and compare to predicted. Give you a good idea of whether it's worth the trip

So liver king lies to the public about eating liver and bulls nuts to get ripped. Has to come out and publicly apologise and is now being sued for millions. The Australian government / politicians say get vaccinated to stop you getting covid, stop the spread and prevent serious illness. They also say the side effects are only minor and will go away in a couple weeks.
The government and pharmaceutical companies lie and we are just supposed to move on because it's a new year ? Great logic

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lotofwind said..
Let's move on, get out on the water and enjoy life...

I think I get more enjoyment dissecting this topic than I would if I was kitesurfing.

I guess if you enjoy social media conspiracy theories more than outdoor life, I guess that's your guy's choice, but seems a bit of a waste of time when there is a world of fun out there.
It's funny the ones that are into the nutter conspiracy junk seem to be the ones that have had side effects from the jab. hhhmmmmm. lol.

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Flying Dutchman said..

I knew it !! Formulanova is one of those men with lady pronouns. This explains her they themselves always being right even though scientific evidence is saying otherwise !

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remery said..
www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/1/31

Conclusions
In the entire population of an Italian province, followed for an average of 14 months, individuals who received one or more doses of COVID-19 vaccines did not show an increased risk of death for any cause, death unrelated to SARS-CoV-2 infection, or any of the selected potentially vaccine-related serious adverse events requiring hospitalization (myocardial infarction, acute heart failure, cardiac arrest, ischemic or hemorrhagic stroke, coronary artery dissection, aortic or peripheral aneurysm, pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis, and myocarditis, or pericarditis).

Vaccines 2023, 11(1), 31; doi.org/10.3390/vaccines11010031

Interesting results, given the current state of understanding of mRNA vaccines and associated risks. Observational studies... hmm.

Don't forget to read the reviewer notes: www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/1/31/review_report and basically the whole of the discussion section: "[..] the incidence of several outcomes, including death and total PVR-SAEs, was substantially higher among uninfected subjects who received one or two vaccine doses [..]."

Always pays to be aware of the source too:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPI#Controversies
academia.stackexchange.com/questions/5466/is-mdpi-a-reputable-academic-publisher

This is why science and the findings in papers are a beginning point, not an end point...

Counterpoint: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/