The irony of it all is that the yes crew know they have lost something,
The no crew think they have won something

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Tequila ! said..

FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..

Rango said..
The seat of Lingiari including Uluru was a landslide No .
Constituents of the ACT don't live in the real world I would suggest indoctrinated not educated.

They contribute zero to AU GDP also but mate they do spend it.

Yeah, those idiots don't even use shovels to dig up iron ore. They can't possibly be contributing to the way the country runs. Of course, a perfect country is one with no government where people are free to do whatever they want

You must be a very popular guy among your mates...defending pollies (politicians).

I dont have idol/pet pollies. 95% of them are career politicians and a bunch of oxygen thieves.

The people I call friends understand that politicians are politicians. They understand how they work and what their motivations will be. It is not some big conspiracy where they make magic decisions based on how they feel that day. Unsurprisingly they also wouldn't just vote for "treaties" if their constituents don't want it because they would then get voted out.

Why do you seem to assume that the ACT is only made up of politicians? How many do you think there are? Australia has a lot of things that run in the background to keep the country running and this creates a lot of industries. The ACT also have military, education, and all the other smaller businesses that are created wherever there are bigger industries.

I guess you would know this though, wouldn't you... if you gave it a moment's thought.

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sgo said..
The irony of it all is that the yes crew know they have lost something,
The no crew think they have won something

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the yes crew think they have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can talk about actual ways forward.

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Subsonic said..

sgo said..
The irony of it all is that the yes crew know they have lost something,
The no crew think they have won something

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the yes crew think they have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can talk about actual ways forward.

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the no crew think they would have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can not talk about actually doing anything at all.

No voters are already listening to aboriginals.

Thank you Jacinta, for being the proud Australian you are and for caring about the future wellbeing of disadvantaged aboriginals

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TonyAbbott said..
No voters are already listening to aboriginals.

Thank you Jacinta, for being the proud Australian you are and for caring about the future wellbeing of disadvantaged aboriginals

With the support of people such as yourself, she should get bilateral support for the treaty she wants

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Sublime said..

It'd be more accurate if you just crossed out the Yes

Here's a sad story that explains everything.

www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-15/voice-results-explained-map/102978520

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remery said..
Here's a sad story that explains everything.

www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-15/voice-results-explained-map/102978520

A bad idea according to Australia.
A different question asking for recognition would have been a constitutional success.

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remery said..
Here's a sad story that explains everything.

www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-15/voice-results-explained-map/102978520

That is a great way to look at the stats whatever your point of view is. Its a very interesting way to make them understandable.

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FormulaNova said..

Subsonic said..

sgo said..
The irony of it all is that the yes crew know they have lost something,
The no crew think they have won something

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the yes crew think they have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can talk about actual ways forward.

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the no crew think they would have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can not talk about actually doing anything at all.

I think this is the saddest part of the whole saga. The yes supporters have now just written it all off, and proceeded to call everyone that voted no bigots. They're not looking for other ways forward. And that seems to be a common ideology when it comes to the indigenous outlook. Too busy looking at the past, and seeking a never ending acknowledgment that they were wronged, with financial reparations to boot. Not looking at what's actually needed to improve the state of affairs looking forward. It's a pretty poor outlook on life.



it's not the train wreck you all make it out to be. The only thing that has actually changed is an increase in the amount of vitriol coming from the mouths of people who tied themselves too heavily to the idea it was going to succeed.



why don't you start talking about ways to improve the Indigenous situation, rather than carrying on about what has occurred in the past?

It amazes me how often I'm hearing of "No" voters being referred to as "bigots", "racists" and red necks.

Whereas the majority of the "Yes" voters live no where near Aboriginal communities, yet they believe they understand it better than those who do.

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Subsonic said..

FormulaNova said..

Subsonic said..

sgo said..
The irony of it all is that the yes crew know they have lost something,
The no crew think they have won something

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the yes crew think they have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can talk about actual ways forward.

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the no crew think they would have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can not talk about actually doing anything at all.

I think this is the saddest part of the whole saga. The yes supporters have now just written it all off, and proceeded to call everyone that voted no bigots. They're not looking for other ways forward. And that seems to be a common ideology when it comes to the indigenous outlook. Too busy looking at the past, and seeking a never ending acknowledgment that they were wronged, with financial reparations to boot. Not looking at what's actually needed to improve the state of affairs looking forward. It's a pretty poor outlook on life.



it's not the train wreck you all make it out to be. The only thing that has actually changed is an increase in the amount of vitriol coming from the mouths of people who tied themselves too heavily to the idea it was going to succeed.



why don't you start talking about ways to improve the Indigenous situation, rather than carrying on about what has occurred in the past?

You know you can hit the 'reply' button if you want to instead of the 'quote' button. I am trying to figure out what in your post relates to my post??? Did you have a senior moment?

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bjw said..
It amazes me how often I'm hearing of "No" voters being referred to as "bigots", "racists" and red necks.

Whereas the majority of the "Yes" voters live no where near Aboriginal communities, yet they believe they understand it better than those who do.

There are a lot of racists, bigots, and rednecks out there. I had to recently listen to some 6 foot 6, 150kg guy tell me how the aboriginals have it easy, yet I can guarantee that he has never been the subject of any bullying or harassment in his life. He only sees the aboriginals around the city and seems to think that they are just 'bad'.

Similarly there seems to be an outbreak of crime in Alice Springs, Townsville and other places. No doubt people in those areas are angry at the situation. I can't blame them.

It doesn't mean that they have any better insight into fixing it though does it? If anything you would think they would see that whatever is being done at the moment is clearly not working. Instead, these people seem to be angry and intent on 'not allowing any special rights' to people they don't like.

The irony is.....(part IV Carantoc's version).

I wondered if the irony is, that the base case for the yes campaign was that better decisions get made when people in power listen to the community.

But now when the community has spoken, suddenly the community is full of uneducated, prejudiced know-nothings who shouldn't be listened to, because what they said isn't what academia beLIEves is correct.

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FormulaNova said..
There are a lot of racists, bigots, and rednecks out there...

For sure, but.... 61% of the population ?

I guess if you label 20% racists, 20% bigots and 20% rednecks maybe somebody can start to justify something in their own mind. 20% sounds a bit more reasonable.

......Maybe you could also say there are lot (39% perhaps) of privileged idealists out there who live such a sanitised life delivered off the backs of others that they have lost touch with reality.


Now the campaign is over are we going to see Qantas provide unprofitable flights with heavily discounted fares to and from remote communities paid for at the expense of shareholders ?..

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Subsonic said..

FormulaNova said..

Subsonic said..

sgo said..
The irony of it all is that the yes crew know they have lost something,
The no crew think they have won something

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the yes crew think they have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can talk about actual ways forward.

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the no crew think they would have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can not talk about actually doing anything at all.

I think this is the saddest part of the whole saga. The yes supporters have now just written it all off, and proceeded to call everyone that voted no bigots. They're not looking for other ways forward. And that seems to be a common ideology when it comes to the indigenous outlook. Too busy looking at the past, and seeking a never ending acknowledgment that they were wronged, with financial reparations to boot. Not looking at what's actually needed to improve the state of affairs looking forward. It's a pretty poor outlook on life.



it's not the train wreck you all make it out to be. The only thing that has actually changed is an increase in the amount of vitriol coming from the mouths of people who tied themselves too heavily to the idea it was going to succeed.



why don't you start talking about ways to improve the Indigenous situation, rather than carrying on about what has occurred in the past?

Looking forward to hearing how your initiatives and programs work out.

Please provide regular updates

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FormulaNova said..

Subsonic said..

FormulaNova said..

Subsonic said..

sgo said..
The irony of it all is that the yes crew know they have lost something,
The no crew think they have won something

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the yes crew think they have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can talk about actual ways forward.

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the no crew think they would have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can not talk about actually doing anything at all.

I think this is the saddest part of the whole saga. The yes supporters have now just written it all off, and proceeded to call everyone that voted no bigots. They're not looking for other ways forward. And that seems to be a common ideology when it comes to the indigenous outlook. Too busy looking at the past, and seeking a never ending acknowledgment that they were wronged, with financial reparations to boot. Not looking at what's actually needed to improve the state of affairs looking forward. It's a pretty poor outlook on life.



it's not the train wreck you all make it out to be. The only thing that has actually changed is an increase in the amount of vitriol coming from the mouths of people who tied themselves too heavily to the idea it was going to succeed.



why don't you start talking about ways to improve the Indigenous situation, rather than carrying on about what has occurred in the past?

You know you can hit the 'reply' button if you want to instead of the 'quote' button. I am trying to figure out what in your post relates to my post??? Did you have a senior moment?

It completely relates to your post, if you care to read it again and read back on yours.
senior, lol. I have to admit, i'm not young anymore, but at 43, not regarding myself as senior just yet.

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FormulaNova said..

I had to recently listen to some 6 foot 6, 150kg guy tell me how the aboriginals have it easy, yet I can guarantee that he has never been the subject of any bullying or harassment in his life.

Do you think an Aboriginal year 12 student would have an easier or harder time getting a place at university (than an equivalent socio economic student)?

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bjw said..

FormulaNova said..

I had to recently listen to some 6 foot 6, 150kg guy tell me how the aboriginals have it easy, yet I can guarantee that he has never been the subject of any bullying or harassment in his life.

Do you think an Aboriginal year 12 student would have an easier or harder time getting a place at university (than an equivalent socio economic student)?

If they do the work, like anyone trying to get into uni then on par. But they would go to uni for free.

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bjw said..

Do you think an Aboriginal year 12 student would have an easier or harder time getting a place at university (than an equivalent socio economic student)?

Do you think a disadvantaged white kid at the beach would more more likely to be given some old windsurfing gear?

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remery said..

bjw said..

Do you think an Aboriginal year 12 student would have an easier or harder time getting a place at university (than an equivalent socio economic student)?

Do you think a disadvantaged white kid at the beach would more more likely to be given some old windsurfing gear?

did you just shard yourself? Cause that dribble stinks

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remery said..
Do you think a disadvantaged white kid at the beach would more more likely to be given some old windsurfing gear?

If a disadvantaged kid asked the Geraldton windsurf community for some help with gear I bet 100% they would get helped. And there's a 73% chance it would come from a NO voter.

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remery said..
Do you think a disadvantaged white kid at the beach would more more likely to be given some old windsurfing gear?

If that is your understand of "disadvantage" in the context of what people are trying to fix, me thinks you may need to re-evaluate your privilege.

remery asks not 'why can't they eat cake', but "why has nobody given them cake".

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Subsonic said..

FormulaNova said..

Subsonic said..

FormulaNova said..

Subsonic said..

sgo said..
The irony of it all is that the yes crew know they have lost something,
The no crew think they have won something

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the yes crew think they have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can talk about actual ways forward.

That looks like a very twisted point of view, so let me correct that for you.

The irony of it all is that the no crew think they would have lost something,
The no crew knew they had to vote no, but now we can not talk about actually doing anything at all.

I think this is the saddest part of the whole saga. The yes supporters have now just written it all off, and proceeded to call everyone that voted no bigots. They're not looking for other ways forward. And that seems to be a common ideology when it comes to the indigenous outlook. Too busy looking at the past, and seeking a never ending acknowledgment that they were wronged, with financial reparations to boot. Not looking at what's actually needed to improve the state of affairs looking forward. It's a pretty poor outlook on life.



it's not the train wreck you all make it out to be. The only thing that has actually changed is an increase in the amount of vitriol coming from the mouths of people who tied themselves too heavily to the idea it was going to succeed.



why don't you start talking about ways to improve the Indigenous situation, rather than carrying on about what has occurred in the past?

You know you can hit the 'reply' button if you want to instead of the 'quote' button. I am trying to figure out what in your post relates to my post??? Did you have a senior moment?

It completely relates to your post, if you care to read it again and read back on yours.
senior, lol. I have to admit, i'm not young anymore, but at 43, not regarding myself as senior just yet.

Nah, it was just a rant, not a reply to anything I said in that post. You can 'reply', people will understand.

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Sublime said..

remery said..

bjw said..

Do you think an Aboriginal year 12 student would have an easier or harder time getting a place at university (than an equivalent socio economic student)?

Do you think a disadvantaged white kid at the beach would more more likely to be given some old windsurfing gear?

did you just shard yourself? Cause that dribble stinks

Ahh, with intelligent, well thought out posts like that, surely the people that voted No have a great answer in mind. Or they are idiots? But a shill poster with an image of Trump has already shown his colours.

Just to highlight what sort of idiot you are, did you mean to write shart? I guess reading and writing may not be your best points. Shame that you weren't offered a free Uni place.

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remery said..
Do you think a disadvantaged white kid at the beach would more more likely to be given some old windsurfing gear?

If a disadvantaged kid asked the Geraldton windsurf community for some help with gear I bet 100% they would get helped. And there's a 73% chance it would come from a NO voter.

If a disadvantaged aboriginal kid asked a Perth university for some help with enrollment I bet 100% they would get helped. And there's a 56% chance it would come from a YES voter.

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bjw said..

FormulaNova said..

I had to recently listen to some 6 foot 6, 150kg guy tell me how the aboriginals have it easy, yet I can guarantee that he has never been the subject of any bullying or harassment in his life.

Do you think an Aboriginal year 12 student would have an easier or harder time getting a place at university (than an equivalent socio economic student)?

Funny, I know an 'aboriginal kid' that went to Uni and ended up getting a doctorate. I am not sure if it was easy or difficult for her. If it was free, I genuinely don't care. She would literally be in the minority.

But the intent is meant to make it easier for kids that are even struggling to get through high school. Can you not see that if these kids grow up in an environment where the role models they have make it hard for them to even get through high school, that they need any help they can get.

For all the jobs that seem to give preference to aboriginals you would think there would be departments brimming with aboriginal kids, but I would bet that there are not. I think that shows you whether these measures are making much difference.

Oh hang on, I am thinking about all this wrong. None of these approaches worked in the past, clearly.

We have had one great response saying that all of these people should move out of their communities and go to the cities where they can flourish. Till that happens, we need more ideas.

What other great incentives can the 'no' voters think of? Now that we have gotten ride of the drama of a referendum no-one wanted, we can start to solve the problem.

Anyone? There seem to be people here that have a handle on this. Speak up.

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Flying Dutchman said..

remery said..
Do you think a disadvantaged white kid at the beach would more more likely to be given some old windsurfing gear?

If a disadvantaged kid asked the Geraldton windsurf community for some help with gear I bet 100% they would get helped. And there's a 73% chance it would come from a NO voter.

I am actually surprised by that split of yes/no. The stats suggest that the more rural and less educated you are the more you are likely to vote 'no'. The suggestion seems to be the higher your education and the higher your income, the more likely you are to vote 'yes'.