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Pacoo said..
Back to the front wing fitting issue. I tried the wax solution and it works ok with the RS1300, but it does not work with the GT2200. After a 2 hours downwind (learning) and a lot of movement the wing was loose and the screw was also loose. Now I'm back to the gofoil stickers and hammering the wing, which is a pain.

Does the 2200 hit the end of the tongue? If so, you can trim the foil a touch so it can go deeper onto the tongue.

Agreed. Sand here till the inside of the joint connects when you tap it in place with the mallet. I took probably 4mm off both my RS wings and they are much happier. 2 firm taps with the the mallet on a CLEAN connection takes it on and off.

this waxing the connection BS is giving me anxiety. Besides picking up sand and the wear it's going to give the appearance of a stiff connection when subjected to a finger wiggle but have even more movement when subjected to foiling forces.

Won't you end up with the same problem again later when the connection wears ?

When seated properly there is next to no wear. It does not move at all.

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hilly said..

kobo said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..

hilly said..

Pacoo said..
Back to the front wing fitting issue. I tried the wax solution and it works ok with the RS1300, but it does not work with the GT2200. After a 2 hours downwind (learning) and a lot of movement the wing was loose and the screw was also loose. Now I'm back to the gofoil stickers and hammering the wing, which is a pain.

Does the 2200 hit the end of the tongue? If so, you can trim the foil a touch so it can go deeper onto the tongue.

Agreed. Sand here till the inside of the joint connects when you tap it in place with the mallet. I took probably 4mm off both my RS wings and they are much happier. 2 firm taps with the the mallet on a CLEAN connection takes it on and off.

this waxing the connection BS is giving me anxiety. Besides picking up sand and the wear it's going to give the appearance of a stiff connection when subjected to a finger wiggle but have even more movement when subjected to foiling forces.

Won't you end up with the same problem again later when the connection wears ?

When seated properly there is next to no wear. It does not move at all.

Yes for a while, but even if the joint was waterproof so no fine sand could get in the connection would still wear again with the carbon rubbing on carbon tapping the wings on and off with a mallet. BTW I don't know of any perfect solution to this type of connection...The barrel bolt is probs the best option at the present

Regarding fitting your foil to your mast, I have settled on the RS1150 and my 93cm mast as my everyday kit. That kit fits together perfectly. My GL240 foil is a very tight fit.

I started sanding away the inside of the GL240 socket but I was not happy just randomly rubbing and hoping for the best. I tried a process we used to call blueprinting in my DIY engineering days. Old mechanics and engineers will know all this but people foiling might not have the background.

I didn't have any marking blue so I used a highlighter pen and coloured in the tapered spline on the mast and let it dry. I did only two adjacent sides to save time and ink. I then fitted the foil securely and removed it. The tight spots scraped away the dried ink and showed the thin end of the taper was where the tight spot was. It is then easy to sand the inside of the foil (or the tip of the spline) to get a perfect fit.

How big difference between FT-L and FT-S tails for RS1150? I just ordered RS1150 kit with FT-L 14.5 and now thinking if I made mistake and should order FT-S.

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motogon said..
How big difference between FT-L and FT-S tails for RS1150? I just ordered RS1150 kit with FT-L 14.5 and now thinking if I made mistake and should order FT-S.

How heavy are you? What do you ride? DW, waves or flat water?

@105kg for wingding I find both work, the short tail loosens it up a lot at the cost of stability and glide.

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motogon said..
How big difference between FT-L and FT-S tails for RS1150? I just ordered RS1150 kit with FT-L 14.5 and now thinking if I made mistake and should order FT-S.

How heavy are you? What do you ride? DW, waves or flat water?

@105kg for wingding I find both work, the short tail loosens it up a lot at the cost of stability and glide.

I'm 85 kg, winging mostly flat water.

I think you have the right tail.

Yup I prefer ftl14 for wing and fts for surf foil.

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Yup I prefer ftl14 for wing and fts for surf foil.

100% agree
FTS = prone / sup, tight turns, adequate pitch stability for surf
FTL = wing in flat water or waves, drawn out turns, more controllable in pitch

I think that the reason the extra pitch stability of the longer tail feels so much better on the wing is because the variability of the load in your hands that does not exist for surf foiling.

So, a year into my GoFoil rabbit hole.
Am I happy, you bet I am 420km on sup foil and wingding in the last 7 days

Pros
Simple to put together 2 screws no shims, it is just easy
Easy to ride, fast, stiff mast, good glide and turns exceptionally well
No washing or tefgel as all carbon and stainless

Negatives
Slow to get new wings/masts, supply issues which is common across brands
Adjustment from armie takes time with front foot pressure changes

Interesting
New mast and wings coming out are amazing, future looks bright

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hilly said..
So, a year into my GoFoil rabbit hole.
Am I happy, you bet I am 420km on sup foil and wingding in the last 7 days

Pros
Simple to put together 2 screws no shims, it is just easy
Easy to ride, fast, stiff mast, good glide and turns exceptionally well
No washing or tefgel as all carbon and stainless

Negatives
Slow to get new wings/masts, supply issues which is common across brands
Adjustment from armie takes time with front foot pressure changes

Interesting
New mast and wings coming out are amazing, future looks bright

You forgot to mention the AU importer is a legend be flys to your local break and comes foiling with you

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hilly said..
So, a year into my GoFoil rabbit hole.
Am I happy, you bet I am 420km on sup foil and wingding in the last 7 days

Pros
Simple to put together 2 screws no shims, it is just easy
Easy to ride, fast, stiff mast, good glide and turns exceptionally well
No washing or tefgel as all carbon and stainless

Negatives
Slow to get new wings/masts, supply issues which is common across brands
Adjustment from armie takes time with front foot pressure changes

Interesting
New mast and wings coming out are amazing, future looks bright

You forgot to mention the AU importer is a legend be flys to your local break and comes foiling with you

Ha ha. Yep a legend who declined to wing in the waves

Was awesome to see you over here

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hilly said..

pohaku said..

hilly said..
So, a year into my GoFoil rabbit hole.
Am I happy, you bet I am 420km on sup foil and wingding in the last 7 days

Pros
Simple to put together 2 screws no shims, it is just easy
Easy to ride, fast, stiff mast, good glide and turns exceptionally well
No washing or tefgel as all carbon and stainless

Negatives
Slow to get new wings/masts, supply issues which is common across brands
Adjustment from armie takes time with front foot pressure changes

Interesting
New mast and wings coming out are amazing, future looks bright

You forgot to mention the AU importer is a legend be flys to your local break and comes foiling with you

Ha ha. Yep a legend who declined to wing in the waves

Was awesome to see you over here

Hey I was out the first day when it was good. That day I declined was a smart decision

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hilly said..
So, a year into my GoFoil rabbit hole.
Am I happy, you bet I am 420km on sup foil and wingding in the last 7 days

Pros
Simple to put together 2 screws no shims, it is just easy
Easy to ride, fast, stiff mast, good glide and turns exceptionally well
No washing or tefgel as all carbon and stainless

Negatives
Slow to get new wings/masts, supply issues which is common across brands
Adjustment from armie takes time with front foot pressure changes

Interesting
New mast and wings coming out are amazing, future looks bright

Long term Gofoil user here and I agree with your comments. The only things that I think could be better are the base plate washers need to be stainless as the painted aluminium ones corrode pretty quickly. The base plate bolts could be Torx (I changed mine and prefer Torx over Phillips); and the covers fall apart pretty quickly. Of course none of these things affect the on water experience and are all very minor annoyances.

Considering making the jump or at least diversifying to compare. Looking for some guidance from all ya'll experts on the best course forward.
Found an older Tuttle mast new/unused listed; looking for input on if there's any concerns on older versions vs current (understand there is a new mast design just released).


He's got the Kai and Maliki tails, appreciate any input on how they fair with the newer front wings. Or if I would want both a newer tail and current gen front wing.

final question is what to offer; haven't paid attention to go foil pricing, guessing around $300 US for the mast/adapter (I have a Tuttle board I can use it with as well) since few people have tuttles anymore.
Currently riding Armstrong HS/MA/HA line on a Kalama E3 DW/sup surf with the 70 cm fuse and vtail. Would look to get a comparable wing to the new MA1225 and HS1850, eventually something smaller as well. I've tracked the new front wings they've released but not the tails.
any other things to consider if I pull the trigger that I don't know as an Armstrong guy? Thanks and Cheers.

Tails are very old. New stuff is way better.

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Considering making the jump or at least diversifying to compare. Looking for some guidance from all ya'll experts on the best course forward.
Found an older Tuttle mast new/unused listed; looking for input on if there's any concerns on older versions vs current (understand there is a new mast design just released).


He's got the Kai and Maliki tails, appreciate any input on how they fair with the newer front wings. Or if I would want both a newer tail and current gen front wing.

final question is what to offer; haven't paid attention to go foil pricing, guessing around $300 US for the mast/adapter (I have a Tuttle board I can use it with as well) since few people have tuttles anymore.
Currently riding Armstrong HS/MA/HA line on a Kalama E3 DW/sup surf with the 70 cm fuse and vtail. Would look to get a comparable wing to the new MA1225 and HS1850, eventually something smaller as well. I've tracked the new front wings they've released but not the tails.
any other things to consider if I pull the trigger that I don't know as an Armstrong guy? Thanks and Cheers.

Hey I have the old tuttle mast (70cm) for low tide & a newer plate one (75cm) and they are both excellent, actually I might compare the the old tuttle mast to Armstrong a1 in stiffness but faster I think & the old wings are good for fun and sanding etc, but the new wings are light & fast:-)

I had an original GoFoil Tuttle mast back in the day. It works. With a plate adaptor you get mast around 75cm. The newer gen 1.5 and now v2 mast are much stiffer. They have a wider mast chord and I think the mast section profile is thicker by a few millimetres. I think the old tails are now very much retired. Things have moved on. If you wanna dip your toe into GoFoil for a cheap price then the mast will work. I'm slowly building a Personal GoFoil demo centre of wings and tails. Some secondhand older front foils picked up for $200each and some home made tails. My Daily driver is the RS1000 for winging and GT2200 for Sup. Plenty of other great foil gear is out there from other brands. However, I enjoy the simplicity of Hammering it together and Go Foil.

When going from Armstrong to Gofoil how much does mast position change? I know this has been discussed but anyone actually have an approximate measurement of difference in placement so I can determine if this switch works with my boards? Does GF new mast design move placement even further back?

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When going from Armstrong to Gofoil how much does mast position change? I know this has been discussed but anyone actually have an approximate measurement of difference in placement so I can determine if this switch works with my boards? Does GF new mast design move placement even further back?

I didn't measure, but on same board Fanatic Sky Wing 5'4":
Armstrong HS1250 on 60 cm fuse - all way forward
GoFoil RS1150 + FT-L 14.5 - all way back

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WHS said..
When going from Armstrong to Gofoil how much does mast position change? I know this has been discussed but anyone actually have an approximate measurement of difference in placement so I can determine if this switch works with my boards? Does GF new mast design move placement even further back?

I didn't measure, but on same board Fanatic Sky Wing 5'4":
Armstrong HS1250 on 60 cm fuse - all way forward
GoFoil RS1150 + FT-L 14.5 - all way back

I did the same to start with but have gradually moved the mast forward, especially if the waves are small. Almost to where I had the HS1250/HS1550. When it gets bigger, I move the mast back 15 to 20mm.
Having it forward helps me get on foil when dinging and turning on small waves, the board feels livelier with less swing weight, but I am 105kg so it will not be the same for lighter riders.

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motogon said..
I didn't measure, but on same board Fanatic Sky Wing 5'4":
Armstrong HS1250 on 60 cm fuse - all way forward
GoFoil RS1150 + FT-L 14.5 - all way back

I did the same to start with but have gradually moved the mast forward, especially if the waves are small. Almost to where I had the HS1250/HS1550. When it gets bigger, I move the mast back 15 to 20mm.
Having it forward helps me get on foil when dinging and turning on small waves, the board feels livelier with less swing weight, but I am 105kg so it will not be the same for lighter riders.

Thanks. Pretty much the range of what I've heard. New GF mast also needs to be back additional 2". I've got a new DW board which I would like to use with GF. Tracks look really forward but realize that is typical with the longer skinny boards. I think I should try out my current Armstrong foil before I buy anything just to make sure tracks are far enough back.

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hilly said..

motogon said..
I didn't measure, but on same board Fanatic Sky Wing 5'4":
Armstrong HS1250 on 60 cm fuse - all way forward
GoFoil RS1150 + FT-L 14.5 - all way back

I did the same to start with but have gradually moved the mast forward, especially if the waves are small. Almost to where I had the HS1250/HS1550. When it gets bigger, I move the mast back 15 to 20mm.
Having it forward helps me get on foil when dinging and turning on small waves, the board feels livelier with less swing weight, but I am 105kg so it will not be the same for lighter riders.

Thanks. Pretty much the range of what I've heard. New GF mast also needs to be back additional 2". I've got a new DW board which I would like to use with GF. Tracks look really forward but realize that is typical with the longer skinny boards. I think I should try out my current Armstrong foil before I buy anything just to make sure tracks are far enough back.

I have the new mast and did not move it back 2 inches. AA says 1 inch but I only moved it back 1/2 an inch and it worked well with the RS1075 but the GT1250 may need it the full inch back.

I find dinging not so critical for mast position. DW paddling and sup surfing is more so. I have the new v2 mast and have used it DW paddle on the kalama 6'1" and 5'9" and moved the mast back one inch from where I had placed the V1 (as per Alex recommendation) and found the balance is perfect for me. This is with the 80cm mast, FTS14,5 and RS1150. I have no doubt the RS1300 will be good too as my mast position between these two wings I set the same.

Verdict on new mast?

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Fird said..
Verdict on new mast?

The original mast is very good this is a refinement. A little faster, turns better, smoother and glides further with the lower drag.

Thanks- Pumping better as advertised?

I have the original mast with a "A" logo and mainly use it for sup f. Is the V2 mast significantly stiffer? thanks

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Fird said..
Thanks- Pumping better as advertised?

Yes it feels like it projects further forwards.

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Ucycle said..
I have the original mast with a "A" logo and mainly use it for sup f. Is the V2 mast significantly stiffer? thanks

Yes it is stiffer than the original.