I don't know how to use the inline quoting on this site, but thanks for answering my questions and to Ju_foil. When I venture to WA I'll buy you a few beers!

My background is kiting on Moses gear, and then tried Moses for winging but didn't find a wing I like for my weight, watched other brands progress, but didn't try the 940/945 (supposed to be good). Went to Armie, tried every wing, HS wings too slow in flat water, ventilate in waves, and well you know what HA wings are like at our weight, 925 too small in flat water harbour chop, didn't try it in big waves.

Third time lucky maybe for me with GF, the steps hooked me, looks promising, keen to demo, and I already own a hammer with Armie gear, so one less expense

I was surprised that you chose the RS1000 over the RS1150 at your weight, was that because you primarily use it winging in surf?

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north_kiter said..
I don't know how to use the inline quoting on this site, but thanks for answering my questions and to Ju_foil. When I venture to WA I'll buy you a few beers!

My background is kiting on Moses gear, and then tried Moses for winging but didn't find a wing I like for my weight, watched other brands progress, but didn't try the 940/945 (supposed to be good). Went to Armie, tried every wing, HS wings too slow in flat water, ventilate in waves, and well you know what HA wings are like at our weight, 925 too small in flat water harbour chop, didn't try it in big waves.

Third time lucky maybe for me with GF, the steps hooked me, looks promising, keen to demo, and I already own a hammer with Armie gear, so one less expense

I was surprised that you chose the RS1000 over the RS1150 at your weight, was that because you primarily use it winging in surf?

Did not know the 1150 existed , tried the 1000 and liked it so got that. Thorough research, not. The 1000 should be better in bigger waves, I hope. The GTS1400 is a blast too, but maybe not so much in flat water. The hammer is included with GoFoil, I did not get one with my Armie gear

Bloody thorough response Hilly.
For we're we live the 1000 is a weapon in the waves. 1400 for Sup surfing on the smaller days - perfect.
I know Jason Breen is a GF team rider on the northern beaches as are Zane and James Casey. Might be worth hassling Dylan and meeting in the middle (he is newe & GF Aus) for a test.

Rich.

Sorry for all the questions but can't find information on GF site.

Does anyone have an idea how long the integrated fuselage is on the 32.5" mast?
- Trying to find out how long the fuselage will be with the front wings and tails added
* Note: be really useful is GF could provide all these details on their site, guess I'm not the only one trying to figure it out

What is the length/width/cm2 of the FT-S 12.5 and 14.5 tails.
What is the length/width/cm2 of the FT-L 12.5, 14.5 and 20 tails.

@Hilly, what FT-S tail size did you get?

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north_kiter said..
Sorry for all the questions but can't find information on GF site.

Does anyone have an idea how long the integrated fuselage is on the 32.5" mast?
- Trying to find out how long the fuselage will be with the front wings and tails added
* Note: be really useful is GF could provide all these details on their site, guess I'm not the only one trying to figure it out

What is the length/width/cm2 of the FT-S 12.5 and 14.5 tails.
What is the length/width/cm2 of the FT-L 12.5, 14.5 and 20 tails.

@Hilly, what FT-S tail size did you get?

6.5 pedestal with the 18flat
& FTS
NL 160 front, don't have any RS to check
plus that's what's on my mast

I dont think these dimensions will tell you much because the foil acts a a system and the single biggest variable by far is the foil section, nobody really talks about it because it's hard to measure and quantify.

useful info to you (my 2c only) and I think hilly already said this:
-gofoil setup lots of front foot feel
-Rewards a slightly wider stance compared to my lift foils, and I think maybe even more hinged forward at the hip
-Fast on the pump if you have good leg strength pump is more leg strength than cardio in my opinion
-mast will be probably 50mm back from typical other brand setup, mast position is consistent across the range
-no doubt these foils rip but it's going to take some technique adjustment to extract the gold

Disclaimer, I'm 70kg so maybe heavier riders have a different take

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north_kiter said..@Hilly, what FT-S tail size did you get?

FTS 14.5 which makes the fuse slightly longer than an Armstrong 60 cm fuse.

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Ju_foil said..
-gofoil setup lots of front foot feel
-Rewards a slightly wider stance compared to my lift foils, and I think maybe even more hinged forward at the hip
-Fast on the pump if you have good leg strength pump is more leg strength than cardio in my opinion
-mast will be probably 50mm back from typical other brand setup, mast position is consistent across the range
-no doubt these foils rip but it's going to take some technique adjustment to extract the gold

105kg and agree with all of that. Harder to push down for sure but taxes my cardio as well, but cannot pump for #$%&

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north_kiter said..
Sorry for all the questions but can't find information on GF site.

Does anyone have an idea how long the integrated fuselage is on the 32.5" mast?
- Trying to find out how long the fuselage will be with the front wings and tails added
* Note: be really useful is GF could provide all these details on their site, guess I'm not the only one trying to figure it out

What is the length/width/cm2 of the FT-S 12.5 and 14.5 tails.
What is the length/width/cm2 of the FT-L 12.5, 14.5 and 20 tails.

@Hilly, what FT-S tail size did you get?

6.5 pedestal with the 18flat
& FTS
NL 160 front, don't have any RS to check
plus that's what's on my mast

I dont think these dimensions will tell you much because the foil acts a a system and the single biggest variable by far is the foil section, nobody really talks about it because it's hard to measure and quantify.

useful info to you (my 2c only) and I think hilly already said this:
-gofoil setup lots of front foot feel
-Rewards a slightly wider stance compared to my lift foils, and I think maybe even more hinged forward at the hip
-Fast on the pump if you have good leg strength pump is more leg strength than cardio in my opinion
-mast will be probably 50mm back from typical other brand setup, mast position is consistent across the range
-no doubt these foils rip but it's going to take some technique adjustment to extract the gold

Disclaimer, I'm 70kg so maybe heavier riders have a different take

Thanks for this, what size FTS is that 12.5 or 14.5?

I'm not into pumping so all good there, main use case is winging and carving chop, and hopefully in the surf but spots limited in Sydney.

There's a guy ripping on GF in this vid:

12.5's aren't in Oz yet.

Not being argumentative but I don't agree that go foil is more front foot. In the past I have preferred riding that way sure. With the RS I find it neutral. I still rode with a front foot bias by choice as I find it easier to be aggressive in the turns. Surely if you do t like the front foot feels you just slide the mast back.

For most info go to the GF AUS site, it will be updated this week with the info on RS etc also adding the 12.5 and 20 inch tail options, good point with the fuse length ill add that too. Hilly, SUSS will be getting a few RS1150 shortly, we have been heavily backlogged with them, currenlty only 3 in Oz... me, Zane & James

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RichJam said..
12.5's aren't in Oz yet.

Not being argumentative but I don't agree that go foil is more front foot. In the past I have preferred riding that way sure. With the RS I find it neutral. I still rode with a front foot bias by choice as I find it easier to be aggressive in the turns. Surely if you do t like the front foot feels you just slide the mast back.

Compared to Armstrong they are front foot biased.
SUSS is a long way away to get a demo

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RichJam said..
12.5's aren't in Oz yet.

Not being argumentative but I don't agree that go foil is more front foot. In the past I have preferred riding that way sure. With the RS I find it neutral. I still rode with a front foot bias by choice as I find it easier to be aggressive in the turns. Surely if you do t like the front foot feels you just slide the mast back.

Compared to Armstrong they are front foot biased.
SUSS is a long way away to get a demo

The mast on the Armstrong with the 925 on is only 20 cm back compared to the GF at 27cm back in the photo.
That 7 cm would make a huge difference to the front foot feel of the GF. Remember the old switch fuse that slingshot used with A,B,C settings.....A for prone, B for SUP and C for Windfoiling. I remember on prone switching from A to B and the difference was huge ,almost unrideable. It's a leverage effect, that's greater than just sliding the mast forward the same amount.

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hilly said..

RichJam said..
12.5's aren't in Oz yet.

Not being argumentative but I don't agree that go foil is more front foot. In the past I have preferred riding that way sure. With the RS I find it neutral. I still rode with a front foot bias by choice as I find it easier to be aggressive in the turns. Surely if you do t like the front foot feels you just slide the mast back.

Compared to Armstrong they are front foot biased.
SUSS is a long way away to get a demo

The mast on the Armstrong with the 925 on is only 20 cm back compared to the GF at 27cm back in the photo.
That 7 cm would make a huge difference to the front foot feel of the GF. Remember the old switch fuse that slingshot used with A,B,C settings.....A for prone, B for SUP and C for Windfoiling. I remember on prone switching from A to B and the difference was huge ,almost unrideable. It's a leverage effect, that's greater than just sliding the mast forward the same amount.

My HA1125 on A+ is 23cm from front wing to mast, 4cm is nothing, so it depends on the front foil you are comparing.

Sabfoil introduced a 700 stabiliser which had mast position X mm more forward (where X is a number I can't remember, maybe 20-30mm) from the 710 stabiliser mast position, which made it more carvy.

Having said this I could just shift the mast back further and adjust foot position accordingly, that is what I did with different front wings from Sabfoil.

True it does depend on which wing you have on, but the further the mast position back overall on the fuse the more front footed it feels to ride, 4 cm is not nothing on the same setup, but there are lots of other factors in play as well.

Yes agreed, that is why the FG boards were invented as the mast is closer to the front wing, which means you have to put the mast further forward.

I suspect though with the FTS making the entire setup just over 600mm, it is the reason why GF still has great carving characteristics, nice and short, but will have great glide with the FTL.

I personally like having my back foot on or behind the mast so I can really throw the foil around.

Check out some of the crazy mast positions wind foil racing.

Apologies for digressing, back to the GF thread ...

Whoa ! that's almost in the middle of the fuse

ha ha and checkout johnny heineken's setup - he's amongst the best wingers and racers in the world...

Jeez you mob have moved on... I'm still managing my axis front leg...

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When the Gofoil connection gets sloppy you can tighten it up with some epoxy as per the video on the Gofoil site. I have done this when I previously owned a Gofoil and it worked well, just don't skimp on the mold release agent or you'll have a one piece foil

What mold release agent did you use and is this really necessary?

If the connection is loose it's definitely necessary, otherwise bolts will shear off

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robbo1111 said..

When the Gofoil connection gets sloppy you can tighten it up with some epoxy as per the video on the Gofoil site. I have done this when I previously owned a Gofoil and it worked well, just don't skimp on the mold release agent or you'll have a one piece foil

What mold release agent did you use and is this really necessary?

I used silicon spray and vasoline but this wasnt overly successful and I had to bash the hell out of the wing to get it off. Luckily no damage but I thought I'd have a one piece foil for a while there.
The mold release in the Gofoil video is what you should be using.

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robbo1111 said..When the Gofoil connection gets sloppy you can tighten it up with some epoxy as per the video on the Gofoil site. I have done this when I previously owned a Gofoil and it worked well, just don't skimp on the mold release agent or you'll have a one piece foil

My GTS1400 fits well. Not so the RS1000, after 2 uses it was loose. I used spray acrylic lacquer like I did on Armstrong, but it only made a slight difference, so I added some ali tape which seems to have done the trick. When that wears out I will paint epoxy inside the wing.

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I used silicon spray and vasoline but this wasnt overly successful and I had to bash the hell out of the wing to get it off. Luckily no damage but I thought I'd have a one piece foil for a while there.
The mold release in the Gofoil video is what you should be using.

Ok, mold release is this video?

And I imagine that the mold release is only necessary when you are tightening the wing to fuselage connections as in the video above or is it necessary all the time?

If you have to use mold release all the time then it will get all sandy and be just as bad as tefgel imo

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robbo1111 said..

I used silicon spray and vasoline but this wasnt overly successful and I had to bash the hell out of the wing to get it off. Luckily no damage but I thought I'd have a one piece foil for a while there.
The mold release in the Gofoil video is what you should be using.

Ok, mold release is this video?

And I imagine that the mold release is only necessary when you are tightening the wing to fuselage connections as in the video above or is it necessary all the time?

If you have to use mold release all the time then it will get all sandy and be just as bad as tefgel imo

Only when you use the epoxy.

hmmm sounds like GF are high maintenance and not plug and play out of the bag.

How often do they need this maintenance?

Not once in 4 years for me.

I've got around 100 hours on each of my Gofoils with 50-75 assemblies for each foil. Zero signs of wear. My beginner foil has some tip chips and scratches.

I chose Gofoil to get all carbon and deep tuttle mounts because it is inherently plug and and play with zero maintenance. That follows on from my kite foiling experience and the horrors of plate mounts and aluminium parts in the early days.

My kite foils have 800 hours with 500-600 assemblies, also full carbon and deep tuttle. That stuff has been used almost every day for the past 5 years and needs nothing more than the odd fill/sand/paint on the tips.

It's nice that it is easy to refurbish the foil mounts and that Gofoil have provided a number of videos on how to do that. It's a little odd that they are not very good at supplying useful information to help us with choosing which new products to buy.

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north_kiter said..
hmmm sounds like GF are high maintenance and not plug and play out of the bag.

How often do they need this maintenance?

They aren't high maintenance at all. The process in the video I used on my original Gofoil setup a couple of years ago. It was well used and one of the wings was loose hence the epoxy job.
I've just returned to Gofoil after a year on another brand and my new setup has no looseness at all.

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hilly said..

robbo1111 said..When the Gofoil connection gets sloppy you can tighten it up with some epoxy as per the video on the Gofoil site. I have done this when I previously owned a Gofoil and it worked well, just don't skimp on the mold release agent or you'll have a one piece foil

My GTS1400 fits well. Not so the RS1000, after 2 uses it was loose. I used spray acrylic lacquer like I did on Armstrong, but it only made a slight difference, so I added some ali tape which seems to have done the trick. When that wears out I will paint epoxy inside the wing.

What's all the black carbon mat on the sides Hilly ? is that part of the wing

There not high maintenance you slide each wing on, give it a tap with the mallet and put one screw in the front wing and one in the rear. Attach it to your board and bobs your uncle.. only takes 90 seconds. Iv left some together for 12 months and comes apart fine.
yes sometimes there's a small gap but will close over time. The hole is elongated due to making the 1.5 wings fit the 1.0 masts.
at the end of the day GoFoil is the strongest, stiffest foil with minimal screws and minimal problems!