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Pcdefender said..
From the report....

Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common but underreported.

Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.


digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf

This is a US report from 2010 on the VAERS database reporting on drugs and vaccines. The authors note that, " New surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed. Barriers to reporting include a lack of clinician awareness, uncertainty about when and what to report, as well as the burdens of reporting: reporting is not part of clinicians' usual workflow, takes time, and is duplicative."

It has nothing to do with the TGA DAEN and the 140,997 adverse events reported for covid vaccines.

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Pcdefender said..
They use buzz words that get you believing a whole lot of lies.

Read the details.

They have openly stated their goals.

Have you started to eat ze bugs to reduce a problem that does not even exist?

Sorry I am not sure whether this was an answer to my post. Just in case it is, I did read it and couldn't find the bit that is like '1984'. Possibly I have misinterpreted the text, so I need your help to find it. A link would be great, but even copy/paste will do. I did assume you meant G.Orwell's 1984, so please correct me if I am wrong on that count.

No more FDA Pete.

We don't have an FDA

By the way in that graph above I have experienced almost all of them at some stage in my life, and I bet you have too. I am still alive.

Adverse reactions do not mean the jab is a bloody problem. Critical thinking Pete.

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Mark _australia said..
No more FDA Pete.

We don't have an FDA

By the way in that graph above I have experienced almost all of them at some stage in my life, and I bet you have too. I am still alive.

Adverse reactions do not mean the jab is a bloody problem. Critical thinking Pete.

The report from 2010, that Pete didn't read, covers the "full spectrum of patients that reflects the broad diversity of Eastern Massachusetts".

"Their latest study was conducted in 2017 on 1095 blood donations, the results of which showed that 10.2% of the total blood donations caused adverse reactions including 8.7% of local and 1.5% of systemic reactions. In this study, women and first donors made up 2.9% and 31.8% of all donors, respectively."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7675132/#:~:text=Their%20latest%20study%20was%20conducted,donors%2C%20respectively%20%5B12%5D.

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Pcdefender said..

According to the TGA website there have been 140 000 reports of harm caused by the covid shots.

They are reports from ordinary Australians mostly.

Some report suffering more than one adverse event.

I said they are reports of harm.

Have all of them been confirmed, of course not.

It is also worth remembering that only around ten percent of all adverse effects are reported to the TGA.

"is unclear where the figures in the misleading social media posts were taken from.

The graphics shared in the misleading posts are nearly identical to previous fake graphics here and here that were disowned by the TGA.

"The alleged posting particularly of the false information of the death counter from 'COVID-19 vaccines' with the Department's and TGA's apparent endorsement is particularly concerning," a TGA spokesperson previously told AFP.

Vaccine safety statistics have repeatedly been taken out of context on social media, fuelling panic and confusion around Covid-19 vaccines, which experts stress are safe.

AFP has previously debunked misleading posts about vaccine data from Australia, Britain and the United States."

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"Their latest study was conducted in 2017 on 1095 blood donations, the results of which showed that 10.2% of the total blood donations caused adverse reactions including 8.7% of local and 1.5% of systemic reactions. In this study, women and first donors made up 2.9% and 31.8% of all donors, respectively."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7675132/#:~:text=Their%20latest%20study%20was%20conducted,donors%2C%20respectively%20%5B12%5D.

What!!??? so some medical procedures other than covid jab also have adverse reactions (at about a similar rate)

Quick quick ignore that one!!! OMG better picket the Red Cross blood donation place.

Its almost like Pete doesn't actually read the stuff he posts.

In his defence, there are a lot of big words, plus heaps of numbers, even some mathematical symbols.

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"Their latest study was conducted in 2017 on 1095 blood donations, the results of which showed that 10.2% of the total blood donations caused adverse reactions including 8.7% of local and 1.5% of systemic reactions. In this study, women and first donors made up 2.9% and 31.8% of all donors, respectively."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7675132/#:~:text=Their%20latest%20study%20was%20conducted,donors%2C%20respectively%20%5B12%5D.

Yeah, that blood donation thing is dangerous! I have found in the past that I have felt slightly off the day after, and somehow felt that I caught colds easier (although this could just be the lacklustre feeling).

Just last week I was complaining to the nurse that my left arm felt cold... which was meant to be a joke as they pump a bag of saline back into you after they strip out your platelets or plasma. It spends an hour sitting there at room temp and makes your arm feel cold when they pump it back into you.

I think I am lucky though. They tell me that some people have smaller veins and sometimes reactions to the needles. Hardly a big problem though going by the number of people you see in there donating and the lack of problems you hear about.

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Its almost like Pete doesn't actually read the stuff he posts.

Ah that makes a bit more sense. Maybe he didn't read 1984 or the WEF website either, and was just reposting something he saw on his Google curated MSM.

Much like the 17 year old American data he used to support his 140,000 mantra.

I think Pete struggles with 3D, his best mode is 2D, much like we struggle with 4D our best mode is 3D.

I just read an article about "0" our brains also struggle with that, it takes a while before kids brains can process it, and it was only a few thousand years ago, that humanity came to use it mathematically I wonder if that's somehow related, to Pete's struggle with understanding simple logic.

Evolution is a big part of it. Children have evolved to be gullible. They needed to believe everything they were told by adults without finding out for themselves lest they get eaten by a crocodile. Almost all kids grow out of the gullible stage.

CT loons don't grow out of it, they believe everything that suits their way of thinking and don't know how to rationally investigate anything.

Hence this thread about Skepticism-and-critical-thinking.

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remery said..
Almost all kids grow out of the gullible stage.

Is that when they start asking questions? "Why" is almost non stop coming out of some kids mouths

Is this the first full page of logic in the thread?

anyway, off to picket Red Cross now

You guys are incapable of waking up, probably Stockholm Syndrome I'd suggest or some variation of it.

With 140 000 reports of harm in this country alone which take half an hour to four hours online to report, alarm bells SHOULD be going off but alas the swallowers of the narrative with their deep rooted indoctrination are able to brush off all the contrary evidence and blatant censorship like water off a ducks back.

Enjoy your coming digital control grid with your social credit points system - you have well and truly earned it.

A ray of hope perhaps from a true musical genius....


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Of course we can't wake up. This is your dream experience you bought off Alphabet Inc on 1/04/2028.

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Mark _australia said..
Is this the first full page of logic in the thread?

Yeah, sorry about that. It did get a bit close didn't it.

No excuse, but I got busy for a couple of days there and nearly lost control of the forum.

Luckily Pcd came good with a couple of late posts to get everything back on track. Well, I mean get it back off track which is where things are when they are on track....anyway I'm sure yo'all know what I mean.

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remery said..
Its almost like Pete doesn't actually read the stuff he posts...

and you do ?

Wow-ser. That's....um....interesting.

Why would you wanna do that ?

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Pcdefender said..
You guys are incapable of waking up, probably Stockholm Syndrome I'd suggest or some variation of it.

With 140 000 reports of harm in this country alone which take half an hour to four hours online to report, alarm bells SHOULD be going off but alas the swallowers of the narrative with their deep rooted indoctrination are able to brush off all the contrary evidence and blatant censorship like water off a ducks back.

Enjoy your coming digital control grid with your social credit points system - you have well and truly earned it.

You just keep making stuff up. Have you made a report to the DAEN? I doubt it, but I have, and it took 10 minutes. But something tells me I'm a lot smarter than you.

140,000, you just won't let that go. I doubt you have the mental capacity to search the DAEN, but I do. Around 20,000 reports were "sore arm". 33,500 reports of "headache". 30,000 reports of "tiredness".

Tell us more about the relevance of drug/vaccine reaction reporting 17 years ago in America.

I have listened to numerous interviews from people working in the medical field and they all said it is very time consuming. 30 minutes to four hours.

But then you are so much smarter than the average Australian.

I reckon you and Chris 249 are perfectly suited for Canberra - God help us

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Pcdefender said..
I have listened to numerous interviews from people working in the medical field and they all said it is very time consuming. 30 minutes to four hours.

But then you are so much smarter than the average Australian.

Why don't you validate you claim by making an honest report? If you really have not been vaccinated, make a report with a friend.... just don't keep making stuff up. When I made my report I was honest and reported a sore arm and aching joints.

As discussed earlier, IQ distribution is set so that the mean, median and mode are all 100, with a standard deviation of 15 to either side Yes I am a little higher than that. But critical thinking and IQ are not the same thing

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I reckon you and Chris 249 are perfectly suited for Canberra - God help us

I was in Canberra a while back, to recieve a national award for my contribution to media and education.

You spout the mainstream narrative here religiously from your education / indoctrination.

Some may well be impressed for others though the very opposite is true.

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Pcdefender said..
You spout the mainstream narrative here religiously from your education / indoctrination.

Some may well be impressed for others though the very opposite is true.

I gather you are following Trump's directive to class educated and intelligent people as "elites", people who must be ignored lest they deflect from the CT narrative. I would feel sorry for you if you weren't a fanatical distributor of misinformation. But it's not too late to join normal society; many adult education classes teach reading, comprehension, multiplication, and even division. The latter is especially handy when trying to understand statistics related to illness and death rates.

"Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." - George Orwell, 1984

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Pcdefender said..
I reckon you and Chris 249 are perfectly suited for Canberra - God help us

I reckon you would do alright. You toe the CT party line and don't answer questions for starters.
I am intrigued about the Stockholm syndrome thing you mentioned, can you expand on that for me please?