japie said.

I worked at a reasonably elevated level for a corporation for a while. I left because I grew sick of rubbing shoulders with sociopaths who tend to gravitate up the ladder. Their capacity to screw people over for personal gain is sickening and it would defy logic to expect it not to occur in the pharma/medical industry.

Trying to sway people's minds on an issue on an anonymous water sports forum is far from ideal but it certainly has its uses as I've indicated before. Because you're writing your thoughts down it is crucial to do so as competently and clearly as you can. Which makes reading critical. Which in turn leads to being able to recall what has been learned and being able to repeat it verbally. I run the risk of being accused of blowing my own horn here but my forte is conversation.

I learned decades ago that people are more inclined to listen to what you have to say if you let them do most of the talking. And if you ask them sensible questions. They then become more inclined to hear and process what it is that you have to say.

It works. None of my immediate family succumbed to the pressure to "vaccinate" and most of my workmates held out for as long as they did because they listened to what I had to say. Some resisted entirely. All bar one who did have admitted they regret it.

Finally the CT nutter thing! When people resort to verbal abuse it's similar to a boxing opponent losing his temper. You know you've got him rattled!

japie said..






The article was informative. Refreshing to see her put her talents to good use. As I said not surprising to hear that people were cheating and that that avenue has been curtailed to a degree.

From the discussion as a whole I learned one very important thing. Or rather I confirmed it and that was that Google is seriously biased.

I'd read a few of those quotes by journal editors over the years but struggled to find them as I couldn't recall the names. I switched search engines and the article appeared on the first page. So that was a bonus!

Another thing I've had confirmed is that it takes a heck of a lot of effort to get people to acknowledge the truth. I've known since 1974 that there are bad players in the pharma industry when a cockies wife in the Karoo blurted out that she was injecting labourers wives on a monthly basis to prevent pregnancy.

I was 19 at the time and knew better than to open my trap for fear of copping a flogging. But it is one of those things that stick in the memory. And I've gone on to learn of so many instances where vulnerable third world communities have been used as cheap Guinea pigs.

To get people to see that behind the shiny labels of many of the medicines they get relief from is not an easy task. Generally the ego plays a massive role in people's opinions. Which the advertising industry knows only too well and exploits to the max!

I worked at a reasonably elevated level for a corporation for a while. I left because I grew sick of rubbing shoulders with sociopaths who tend to gravitate up the ladder. Their capacity to screw people over for personal gain is sickening and it would defy logic to expect it not to occur in the pharma/medical industry.

Trying to sway people's minds on an issue on an anonymous water sports forum is far from ideal but it certainly has its uses as I've indicated before. Because you're writing your thoughts down it is crucial to do so as competently and clearly as you can. Which makes reading critical. Which in turn leads to being able to recall what has been learned and being able to repeat it verbally. I run the risk of being accused of blowing my own horn here but my forte is conversation.

I learned decades ago that people are more inclined to listen to what you have to say if you let them do most of the talking. And if you ask them sensible questions. They then become more inclined to hear and process what it is that you have to say.

It works. None of my immediate family succumbed to the pressure to "vaccinate" and most of my workmates held out for as long as they did because they listened to what I had to say. Some resisted entirely. All bar one who did have admitted they regret it.

Finally the CT nutter thing! When people resort to verbal abuse it's similar to a boxing opponent losing his temper. You know you've got him rattled!

Pcdefender said..







Calling people nutcases because they have a different opinion from yourself exposes your character.

You appear to be driven by ego.

Ego refers to an individual's sense of self-identity and self-importance

D3 said..


And allows us to re-read thread to see what sensible questions still need answers

Chris 249 said..

The reason there are CT nutters

If they had the honesty to answer those questions in an honest way

The simple questions Japie ran away from about Atlas are typical. He refuses to answer them because doing so would make it apparent to all, including him, that he made incorrect claims because he's gullible and he refuses to admit that because he's dishonest.

Another proof of the CTers' dishonesty is that they throw filthy claims

Pcdefender said..
Look at their stated goals of The World Economic Forum on their website.

Reads like something out of 1984.

remery said..

The reason I enjoy exposing CT lies is becuase there could be vaccination fence-sitters on SB, who have not had the good fortune of a free education in statisitics, analytics and critical thinking. Science is not a belief system.

myscreenname said..
Given the volume of posters and 30 year history of SB, I'd estimate those vaccination fence sitters to be in the hundreds of thousands.

On behalf of these 'vaccination fence sitters' I'd like to extend a warm thank you for doing your bit to save us them.

remery said..

Look at how many times Pete has repeated his bogus story about 140,000 ovaccine injuries.

Pcdefender said..
It is also worth remembering that only around ten percent of all adverse effects are reported to the TGA.

Pcdefender said..









Using words such as nutters, dishonest and liars to describe others who have a very different take on the world than yourself only exposes your own character.

Hopefully few will not fall for the smear.


"The insult dishonors the one who infers it, not the one who receives it."

- Diogenes of Sinope

remery said..
That's how Whacka-CT-Mole works. When they are wrong, they just hide in the hole and emerge later with more rubbish. Some time later, they repeat the original crap thinking people have forgotten. Look at how many times Pete has repeated his bogus story about 140,000 ovaccine injuries. He just makes stuff up and repeats mindless drivel to attract attention. Young people have alway died unexpectedly, CT loons are now using family tragedies to support their ego-driven position.

The reason I enjoy exposing CT lies is becuase there could be vaccination fence-sitters on SB, who have not had the good fortune of a free education in statisitics, analytics and critical thinking. Science is not a belief system.

FormulaNova said..

How do you know this? It seems an odd certainty you have for this when everything else is an unknown.

This is what the TGA site says:

"Learn more about how the TGA identifies and responds to safety issues.
Anyone can report a suspected side effect, either:
directly to the TGA
through a health professional
by calling 1300 Medicine (1300 633 424) or visiting www.1300medicine.com.au- external site.
You can report anonymously.
Learn more about how to report a suspected side effect to a COVID-19 vaccine."

It also says:
"The most frequently reported side effects suspected to be associated with the vaccines include headache, muscle and joint pain, fever, chills and nausea. Skin reactions at the site of the injection are also common and can include pain, swelling, redness and an itchy rash. These are recognised side effects of vaccination and are usually transient and mild."

I think we all understand it. These vaccines have caused severe harm with some people, but a lot of people have had minor reactions. We also don't seemingly care enough to actually look at the stats and instead keep coming up with '140,000 reports of harm'.

cammd said..

Agreed, when they are wrong they don't reply but that strategy is not unique to CT nutters, there's some pretty horrible stuff going on here in Australia right now and when the facts are put on the table we hear crickets, there's no reply when the facts don't suit the ideology.

Your guilty of hiding in holes rather than risk exposure as well.

remery said..




Generally there are no "facts" presented, just lies and misinformation that are easily debunked. Perhaps you imagined I was hiding while I was unfairly banned and censored because I wouldn't follow the CT loon narrative.

Mark _australia said..
140000
thats 1 in a hundred if most people got jabbed

a sore muscle at injection site is an adverse reaction

so basic critical thinking shows fairly quickly that 140000 reported adverse reactions does not show it is unsafe. It may still be unsafe, but that stat is not proof. Not even persuasive.

Pcdefender said..
Look at their stated goals of The World Economic Forum on their website.

Reads like something out of 1984.

remery said..

It's actually much lower than that, because it's not 140,000 people, many people reported multiple reactions.