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D3 said..
Yes, it shows that other nations are doing something different and getting better results.
So why not follow their example instead?

Regarding the VAERS data? Let's have a look at the numbers.
By end of 2021 approximately 65% of the USA population had received 2 doses and over 70% had received 1 dose.

So about 200 million people received 2 doses in 2021.
That's 400 million doses.
Your table shows around 1.1Million VAERS reports with around 22,000 of those being reported deaths.

Feel free to correct my maths here:
Reports per dose - 1.1M/400M = 0.25% of doses resulted in a report to VAERS
Deaths per dose - 22,000/400M = 0.0055% of doses resulted in a death reported temporally associated with the dose.

What about the individual person?
Reports per person receiving vaccination- 1.1M/200M = 0.55%
Reported deaths per person receiving vaccination- 22,000/200M = 0.011%

So, given the unverified nature of the data, the increased vigilance for reporting (VAERS is how they ID'd the concerns around the J&J vaccine), and the sheer number of people vaccinated, could that be a reasonable explanation for you?

There were far, far more total other vaccines shots administered in those same periods you specify without a fraction of the adverse events and deaths. As you'll note from the second graph, the number of reported adverse events for all other vaccines remained the same.

It was the rushed, novel technology, mRNA and viral vector Astra Zeneca (now withdrawn for its low safety risk) COVID-19 vaccines that caused the massive spike in adverse events and deaths. Not the billions of other vaccine doses administered in the same periods.

Oh and we who are interested in truth and justice most definitely will not let the COVID-19 fiasco go away as the criminals who presided over would like to happen.

Not a chance.

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Brent in Qld said..OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner. The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines

peacenlove said..
Formula Nova, I'm expressing an informed opinion of what the data could represent. Rather than call my informed opinion conjecture, perhaps you could do the same and educate us on why the USA is so sick compared to the other nations on that list.

I reiterate, that i think, it shows that the USA is a very sick nation, for various reasons that you seem unwilling to contemplate, nor care to explain, much like the general failure of the BLOB to explain the dramatic increase in neurological diseases, autism, allergies, asthma, blood disorders, hearth disease, cancer etc., and that spending more on acute medical care does nothing to solve the underlying health crisis.

It tells us that the other nations are doing something better, or possibly have ways to manipulate data that gives us that impression.

Can any of you explain this shocking data?

The first question is what/who is the original source? Without this, these bar charts are an exercise in graphic design. In this case

OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner. The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.

Secondly, the world is changed by our actions not our opinions. Being informed is of little consequence, not all information is true or based in fact and humans have a predictable habit of believing absurdities and promoting their own agenda.

Really? You believe that propaganda? Who wrote that nonsense? Was it Wikipedia - one of the most unreliable sources of info on the web?

Why is it that anyone who questions a vaccine, even a novel, never-before used experimental technology like mRNA wrapped in nano-tech deliverable platform like the Pfizer and Moderna jabs, gets automatically, like a knee jerk, like a robot - labelled "anti-vaxx. It's just ridiculous. Can't question the Vaccine Cult. Oh no!

What about mothers and fathers who are supporters of vaccines, get their children fully vaxxed including the COVID-19 jabs, then lose a perfectly healthy son or daughter to the jab? Are they also "anti-vaxxers"? Even though they believed in jabs before they lost their loved ones or caused them to suffer.

OpenVAERS does what VAERS fails to do, which is to provide a simple, legible, fully transparent graphic account of their own data. OpenVAERS does this with clarity and does nothing more, and to believe otherwise is just foolish. Good on OpenVAERS for doing something the public health officials persistently fail to do. Happy for you to present your reasons for your allegations about OpenVAERS here. I'm listening.

Meanwhile, at VAERS, one has to trawl through this cumbersome database tool to find the truth. Good luck finding any truth trying to collate datasets in that dog of a tool.

wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

In the absence of a user friendly database that presents clear data, OpenVAERS is perhaps our best source to unpack the bull dust.

This explains who OpenVAERS arrives at its database and reports: www.openvaers.com/faq/how-we-count-at-openvaers

Note also, that there's two sets of books at VAERS.www.openvaers.com/faq/vaers-the-database-the-export-and-whats-missing-part-2

Rebuttal appears to easily offend you, maybe there were too many facts and not enough opinion in my post. The endless vomit of essays you produce to take over this public forum will only ever convince the dullest of minds.

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D3 said..
Yes, it shows that other nations are doing something different and getting better results.
So why not follow their example instead?

Regarding the VAERS data? Let's have a look at the numbers.
By end of 2021 approximately 65% of the USA population had received 2 doses and over 70% had received 1 dose.

So about 200 million people received 2 doses in 2021.
That's 400 million doses.
Your table shows around 1.1Million VAERS reports with around 22,000 of those being reported deaths.

Feel free to correct my maths here:
Reports per dose - 1.1M/400M = 0.25% of doses resulted in a report to VAERS
Deaths per dose - 22,000/400M = 0.0055% of doses resulted in a death reported temporally associated with the dose.

What about the individual person?
Reports per person receiving vaccination- 1.1M/200M = 0.55%
Reported deaths per person receiving vaccination- 22,000/200M = 0.011%

So, given the unverified nature of the data, the increased vigilance for reporting (VAERS is how they ID'd the concerns around the J&J vaccine), and the sheer number of people vaccinated, could that be a reasonable explanation for you?

There were far, far more total other vaccines shots administered in those same periods you specify without a fraction of the adverse events and deaths. As you'll note from the second graph, the number of reported adverse events for all other vaccines remained the same.

It was the rushed, novel technology, mRNA and viral vector Astra Zeneca (now withdrawn for its low safety risk) COVID-19 vaccines that caused the massive spike in adverse events and deaths. Not the billions of other vaccine doses administered in the same periods.

Oh and we who are interested in truth and justice most definitely will not let the COVID-19 fiasco go away as the criminals who presided over would like to happen.

Not a chance.

Not exactly easy to discern what your graphs were showing.
One clearly stated reported deaths vs reported cocid vaccine deaths.
The other "All VAERS reports US/Terr/ Unk" vs "All VAERS reports" with no other details to identify what the data were

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Brent in Qld said..
Rebuttal appears to easily offend you, maybe there were too many facts and not enough opinion in my post. The endless vomit of essays you produce to take over this public forum will only ever convince the dullest of minds.

Ive been putting astrazenica in p&l fairstar cruises metamucil

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Brent in Qld said..
Rebuttal appears to easily offend you, maybe there were too many facts and not enough opinion in my post. The endless vomit of essays you produce to take over this public forum will only ever convince the dullest of minds.

Not offended at all. Simply bemused by the automatic labelling and dismissals and unsubstantiated claims. It's not rebuttal when one gets constantly labelled as an "anti-vaxxer", or has well described points dismissed as utter bollocks or BS or idiotic.

Rebuttal actually requires something of substance. D3 is having a good go. I respect that. Remery calls people idiots. FN just says BS while admitting he doesn't even read the whole post, let alone check on its accuracy.

Not here to convince anyone of everything, except perhaps they are simply acting to defend the indefensible.

I recall during the height of the COVID scam in the Northern Territory, that disgraceful man Chief Minister Michael Gunn i think was his name, calling the mothers and fathers of vaccine injured people and those vaccinated people who where defending the vaccine injured "anti-vaxxers". This is the kind of hateful abusive stuff that has to stop.

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D3 said..Not exactly easy to discern what your graphs were showing

peacenlove said..

D3 said..
Yes, it shows that other nations are doing something different and getting better results.
So why not follow their example instead?

Regarding the VAERS data? Let's have a look at the numbers.
By end of 2021 approximately 65% of the USA population had received 2 doses and over 70% had received 1 dose.

So about 200 million people received 2 doses in 2021.
That's 400 million doses.
Your table shows around 1.1Million VAERS reports with around 22,000 of those being reported deaths.

Feel free to correct my maths here:
Reports per dose - 1.1M/400M = 0.25% of doses resulted in a report to VAERS
Deaths per dose - 22,000/400M = 0.0055% of doses resulted in a death reported temporally associated with the dose.

What about the individual person?
Reports per person receiving vaccination- 1.1M/200M = 0.55%
Reported deaths per person receiving vaccination- 22,000/200M = 0.011%

So, given the unverified nature of the data, the increased vigilance for reporting (VAERS is how they ID'd the concerns around the J&J vaccine), and the sheer number of people vaccinated, could that be a reasonable explanation for you?

There were far, far more total other vaccines shots administered in those same periods you specify without a fraction of the adverse events and deaths. As you'll note from the second graph, the number of reported adverse events for all other vaccines remained the same.

It was the rushed, novel technology, mRNA and viral vector Astra Zeneca (now withdrawn for its low safety risk) COVID-19 vaccines that caused the massive spike in adverse events and deaths. Not the billions of other vaccine doses administered in the same periods.

Oh and we who are interested in truth and justice most definitely will not let the COVID-19 fiasco go away as the criminals who presided over would like to happen.

Not a chance.

Not exactly easy to discern what your graphs were showing.
One clearly stated reported deaths vs reported cocid vaccine deaths.
The other "All VAERS reports US/Terr/ Unk" vs "All VAERS reports" with no other details to identify what the data were

OpenVAERS is very clear and transparent about how they arrive at their data. They've nothing to hide. VAERS on the other hand, appears to have deliberately produced an impossibly complex online tool where only the most avid experienced data researchers can find anything of use.

I think the graphs (not mine) are abundantly clear. Something nasty happened in 2021-2022-2023 and most people don't want to know what that is. Certainly aligns with my direct life experience also, where i know of two certified COVID-19 vaccine deaths and several injuries in that period of time. One certified by an oncologist as a vaccine induced turbo cancer and the other a sudden death of a perfectly healthy 17 boy after three Pfizer jabs.

By the way, I also experienced a nasty tetanus vaccine injury, if you should know. This was one of my awakening moments.

My brother had a nasty adverse event after a single Astra Zeneca shot, starting the evening of the shot and lasting ten days. Here are the extensive list of symptoms:

39 deg fever
Chills
Nausea
Rash
Vision issues
Loss of taste and smell
Loss of appetite
Vomiting
Diahorrea

Let's just say that this was his "awakening" moment. His second "awakening" moment was when the most jabbed member of the family, his 20 year old daughter (three jabs) went to a vaccinated only party during the vaccine mandate period, came home with "COVID-19" and made half the household sick. The only family member not to get sick was the only unjabbed one - my nephew, who's friend i mentioned above was a vaccine death. Jee, ya can't make this stuff up - but they did - every day at the daily berating and abuse of public office at the TV lectern.

My friend has had nasty pox symptoms on his face from a month after his double AZ shots, after he was threatened by his employer of losing his job, which he held for 35 years, if he refused to vaccinate. This is not surprising when one knows that the viral vector platform that AZ was based on is grown in monkey kidney serum, which is often loaded with parasites and foreign DNA fragments and then primed with GMO's. No wonder they pulled the plug on AZ with all that money business in it. The Vaccine Cult lapped up the propaganda about "Monkey Pox". Well of course! Just coincidence again. Just look at the long list of potential issues that AZ failed to test before releasing its jab: www.tga.gov.au/sites/default/files/pi-covid-19-vaccine_0.pdf

But of course the vaccine cult probably believe all this is just "coincidence".

Oddly, such experiences have ceased since the end of the compulsory and coercive vaccination period. Just coincidence.

Now I've poured my heart out to you all, in the hope that something will get through. Call me a liar call me whatever, but i promise, this information is absolutely true, is my direct life experience, and is shared only because i don't want to see anyone suffer from this anymore.

Peace be with all.

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Brent in Qld said..
The endless vomit of essays you produce to take over this public forum will only ever convince the dullest of minds.

Brent in Qld in WA,

I feel you may be underestimating the dullest of minds, I am not sure even us pedantic morons are going to be convinced.

Although, conversely, p&l does seem to be convincing everyone that remery's banishment may have been for simply stating the truth.

I have heard a rumour that many people get the following list of symptoms after reading certain essays :

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39 deg fever
Chills
Nausea
Rash
Vision issues
Loss of taste and smell
Loss of appetite
Vomiting
Diahorrea

..and what truth is that Carantoc? That we're all idiots if we disagree with him?

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peacenlove said..
..and what truth is that Carantoc? That we're all idiots if we disagree with him?

Sorry peacenlove if I upset you there.

My comment was addressed specifically to Brent in Qld in WA.

As an aside this raises a serious question of whether forum posts should be judged by any one man or woman. It is known and accepted here that doxxing and breaches of privacy are now serious offences.

Ahh, I just realized... Not everyone was eligible for the pre-shot shot. That explains why others got severe reactions and I just got a headache.

Oh well...

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Carantoc said..Sorry peacenlove if I upset you there. My comment was addressed specifically to Brent in Qld in WA.
As an aside this raises a serious question of whether forum posts should be judged by any one man or woman. It is known and accepted here that doxxing and breaches of privacy are now serious offences.

peacenlove said..
..and what truth is that Carantoc? That we're all idiots if we disagree with him?

Sorry peacenlove if I upset you there.

My comment was addressed specifically to Brent in Qld in WA.

As an aside this raises a serious question of whether forum posts should be judged by any one man or woman. It is known and accepted here that doxxing and breaches of privacy are now serious offences.

Aha. Not upset at all sweetie. I wasn't aware i had to obtain your eminence's approval before replying.

So what's the truth Remery was supposed to be speaking?

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Carantoc said..
p&l does seem to be convincing everyone that remery's banishment may have been for simply stating the truth.

Never a truer thing posted on seabreeze

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myscreenname said..Never a truer thing posted on seabreeze

Carantoc said..
p&l does seem to be convincing everyone that remery's banishment may have been for simply stating the truth.

Really! I did that? All by my lonesome? Seems a tad judgemental.

So what was this truth Remery spoketh unto the people , and was therefore banished forthwith?

More to the point, how did peacenlove achieve this amazing feat?

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peacenlove said..
Really! I did that? All by my lonesome? Seems a tad judgemental.

So what was this truth Remery spoketh unto the people , and was therefore banished forthwith?

More to the point, how did peacenlove achieve this amazing feat?

I believe he called a valued contributor a five letter word beginning with 'i' and ending in 't'.

Hard to know exactly what he said. Could have been:

Inert
Inept
Inlet
Islet
Input

Decrepit knows more, he's too scared to say the word. He spoke to Rob a week or so ago.

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peacenlove said.. Rebuttal actually requires something of substance. D3 is having a good go. I respect that. Remery calls people idiots. FN just says BS while admitting he doesn't even read the whole post, let alone check on its accuracy.

Some rebuttal then. You said mRNA acting vaccine was new tech and untested.
False, its been used before.
The issue was its technically hard to make work so it NEEDED a huge event with lots of NEED by the whole world, to push it into the first proper human use. Just like, for example we have had solar and wind and etc power for decades but suddenly we might really need it more so are phasing it in quicker.


publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

As folks like you only read the tagline and not the actual research etc, here it is from the above site:

The first mRNA flu vaccine was tested in mice in the 1990s and the first mRNA vaccines for rabies were tested in humans in 2013.


Then again a public health journal from a major university, nah fk that listen to the neurotic mum's groups on Facebook instad.

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Carantoc said..

Brent in Qld said..
The endless vomit of essays you produce to take over this public forum will only ever convince the dullest of minds.

Brent in Qld in WA,

I feel you may be underestimating the dullest of minds, I am not sure even us pedantic morons are going to be convinced.

Although, conversely, p&l does seem to be convincing everyone that remery's banishment may have been for simply stating the truth.

I have heard a rumour that many people get the following list of symptoms after reading certain essays :

39 deg fever
Chills
Nausea
Rash
Vision issues
Loss of taste and smell
Loss of appetite
Vomiting
Diahorrea

I read the list and thought each person's reality of a like experience can be vastly different.

To me the list read a lot like the come down from any one of numerous Big Days Out, a week in Baja or those raves that use to start on Friday night and went until the start of the Sunday session. It will have taken years off me, we are young once.

Holly ahit i was just about to say that list of stmptoms ive had and more from a wild weekend

Pretty sure peace and loves brother was just getting to old to pa?ty with the cool kids and forgot to eat before dipping the joint in embalming fluid you know the sorta weekend you start addin? chemicals to the bulbinator to see if you can nang out a new tune with the distinct replacement of oxygen ya know whem you start airrizeing stuff prescribed to ya nans dog but you havent been out in ahwhile so ya kinda keep half your body behind you when walking just incase theres danger ahead

Trust me to get covid in the mid 2000s before it was cool

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peacenlove said..

D3 said..

Not exactly easy to discern what your graphs were showing.
One clearly stated reported deaths vs reported cocid vaccine deaths.
The other "All VAERS reports US/Terr/ Unk" vs "All VAERS reports" with no other details to identify what the data were

OpenVAERS is very clear and transparent about how they arrive at their data. They've nothing to hide. VAERS on the other hand, appears to have deliberately produced an impossibly complex online tool where only the most avid experienced data researchers can find anything of use.

I think the graphs (not mine) are abundantly clear. Something nasty happened in 2021-2022-2023 and most people don't want to know what that is. Certainly aligns with my direct life experience also, where i know of two certified COVID-19 vaccine deaths and several injuries in that period of time. One certified by an oncologist as a vaccine induced turbo cancer and the other a sudden death of a perfectly healthy 17 boy after three Pfizer jabs.

By the way, I also experienced a nasty tetanus vaccine injury, if you should know. This was one of my awakening moments.

My brother had a nasty adverse event after a single Astra Zeneca shot, starting the evening of the shot and lasting ten days. Here are the extensive list of symptoms:

39 deg fever
Chills
Nausea
Rash
Vision issues
Loss of taste and smell
Loss of appetite
Vomiting
Diahorrea

Let's just say that this was his "awakening" moment. His second "awakening" moment was when the most jabbed member of the family, his 20 year old daughter (three jabs) went to a vaccinated only party during the vaccine mandate period, came home with "COVID-19" and made half the household sick. The only family member not to get sick was the only unjabbed one - my nephew, who's friend i mentioned above was a vaccine death. Jee, ya can't make this stuff up - but they did - every day at the daily berating and abuse of public office at the TV lectern.

My friend has had nasty pox symptoms on his face from a month after his double AZ shots, after he was threatened by his employer of losing his job, which he held for 35 years, if he refused to vaccinate. This is not surprising when one knows that the viral vector platform that AZ was based on is grown in monkey kidney serum, which is often loaded with parasites and foreign DNA fragments and then primed with GMO's. No wonder they pulled the plug on AZ with all that money business in it. The Vaccine Cult lapped up the propaganda about "Monkey Pox". Well of course! Just coincidence again. Just look at the long list of potential issues that AZ failed to test before releasing its jab: www.tga.gov.au/sites/default/files/pi-covid-19-vaccine_0.pdf

But of course the vaccine cult probably believe all this is just "coincidence".

Oddly, such experiences have ceased since the end of the compulsory and coercive vaccination period. Just coincidence.

Now I've poured my heart out to you all, in the hope that something will get through. Call me a liar call me whatever, but i promise, this information is absolutely true, is my direct life experience, and is shared only because i don't want to see anyone suffer from this anymore.

Peace be with all.

My issue with interpreting that first graph isn't the data sources, it's what it is supposed to be showing.
To me, it appears to show the difference between all VAERS reports including international (RED) and All VAERS reports from USA and unknown (BLUE). not the "total other vaccines shots administered in those same periods" you indicated. But I could be wrong on that.

I am sorry to hear that you and your family have suffered several deaths of people who were close to you and they happened relatively close together. I hope you understand that in continuing our discussion I want to be clear that I am not minimising or dismissing your loss. I hope that no-one does.
I've always found it difficult to talk about these things, especially how unexpected deaths of even acquaintances can leave noticeable gaps in your life.

I also hope that you can understand there may be may different reasons that you may not feel like you "getting through" to people or it feels like they don't want to listen to you when you share you lived experience?

To me, the primary reason would be that many people have a lived experience that is vastly different. For a large number of people (even the residents of this strange corner of the internet), they are far removed some many of the experiences you have shared.
From previous threads on here, as well as with discussions in the real world, our exposure to adverse reactions to vaccination (beyond a sore arm and feeling a bit rubbish for day) has actually been pretty scarce.

Would it surprise you to know that a large proportion of the population do not directly know of anyone who died as a result of a vaccination? Sure we've all come across reports online about strangers, but actually knowing someone who died from a covid vaccination isn't very common.

In my case, reading your post above prompts a lot of doubt in my mind about the veracity of your statements.
Not because I believe you are a liar, or that what you are saying has to be completely false because it doesn't match "MSM" reports.

No, I have doubts because what you say is so clearly at odds with what I have experienced.

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D3 said..

peacenlove said..

D3 said..

Not exactly easy to discern what your graphs were showing.
One clearly stated reported deaths vs reported cocid vaccine deaths.
The other "All VAERS reports US/Terr/ Unk" vs "All VAERS reports" with no other details to identify what the data were

OpenVAERS is very clear and transparent about how they arrive at their data. They've nothing to hide. VAERS on the other hand, appears to have deliberately produced an impossibly complex online tool where only the most avid experienced data researchers can find anything of use.

I think the graphs (not mine) are abundantly clear. Something nasty happened in 2021-2022-2023 and most people don't want to know what that is. Certainly aligns with my direct life experience also, where i know of two certified COVID-19 vaccine deaths and several injuries in that period of time. One certified by an oncologist as a vaccine induced turbo cancer and the other a sudden death of a perfectly healthy 17 boy after three Pfizer jabs.

By the way, I also experienced a nasty tetanus vaccine injury, if you should know. This was one of my awakening moments.

My brother had a nasty adverse event after a single Astra Zeneca shot, starting the evening of the shot and lasting ten days. Here are the extensive list of symptoms:

39 deg fever
Chills
Nausea
Rash
Vision issues
Loss of taste and smell
Loss of appetite
Vomiting
Diahorrea

Let's just say that this was his "awakening" moment. His second "awakening" moment was when the most jabbed member of the family, his 20 year old daughter (three jabs) went to a vaccinated only party during the vaccine mandate period, came home with "COVID-19" and made half the household sick. The only family member not to get sick was the only unjabbed one - my nephew, who's friend i mentioned above was a vaccine death. Jee, ya can't make this stuff up - but they did - every day at the daily berating and abuse of public office at the TV lectern.

My friend has had nasty pox symptoms on his face from a month after his double AZ shots, after he was threatened by his employer of losing his job, which he held for 35 years, if he refused to vaccinate. This is not surprising when one knows that the viral vector platform that AZ was based on is grown in monkey kidney serum, which is often loaded with parasites and foreign DNA fragments and then primed with GMO's. No wonder they pulled the plug on AZ with all that money business in it. The Vaccine Cult lapped up the propaganda about "Monkey Pox". Well of course! Just coincidence again. Just look at the long list of potential issues that AZ failed to test before releasing its jab: www.tga.gov.au/sites/default/files/pi-covid-19-vaccine_0.pdf

But of course the vaccine cult probably believe all this is just "coincidence".

Oddly, such experiences have ceased since the end of the compulsory and coercive vaccination period. Just coincidence.

Now I've poured my heart out to you all, in the hope that something will get through. Call me a liar call me whatever, but i promise, this information is absolutely true, is my direct life experience, and is shared only because i don't want to see anyone suffer from this anymore.

Peace be with all.

My issue with interpreting that first graph isn't the data sources, it's what it is supposed to be showing.
To me, it appears to show the difference between all VAERS reports including international (RED) and All VAERS reports from USA and unknown (BLUE). not the "total other vaccines shots administered in those same periods" you indicated. But I could be wrong on that.

I am sorry to hear that you and your family have suffered several deaths of people who were close to you and they happened relatively close together. I hope you understand that in continuing our discussion I want to be clear that I am not minimising or dismissing your loss. I hope that no-one does.
I've always found it difficult to talk about these things, especially how unexpected deaths of even acquaintances can leave noticeable gaps in your life.

I also hope that you can understand there may be may different reasons that you may not feel like you "getting through" to people or it feels like they don't want to listen to you when you share you lived experience?

To me, the primary reason would be that many people have a lived experience that is vastly different. For a large number of people (even the residents of this strange corner of the internet), they are far removed some many of the experiences you have shared.
From previous threads on here, as well as with discussions in the real world, our exposure to adverse reactions to vaccination (beyond a sore arm and feeling a bit rubbish for day) has actually been pretty scarce.

Would it surprise you to know that a large proportion of the population do not directly know of anyone who died as a result of a vaccination? Sure we've all come across reports online about strangers, but actually knowing someone who died from a covid vaccination isn't very common.

In my case, reading your post above prompts a lot of doubt in my mind about the veracity of your statements.
Not because I believe you are a liar, or that what you are saying has to be completely false because it doesn't match "MSM" reports.

No, I have doubts because what you say is so clearly at odds with what I have experienced.

D3, I was engaged until you essentially, called me a liar then tried to paper over that because your experience is different to mine. That's a really self-centred view of the world.

This is my lived experience, and whether the mainstream media confirms it or not, or whether your experience reflects mine, the facts of my lived experience remains the same.

I think as you point out, the experience of most people is not the experience of all people. Is that reasonable and fair grounds to dismiss their testimony as a lie? Because let's face it, you are accusing me of spreading falsehoods, in other words, lying.

Most people aren't born with severe disabilities either. Does that make their experience any less real?

Sadly, i will have to retract my respect for you, in light of your hypocritical allegations.

So to sum up, I don't think you're really sorry for these tragic losses at all.

May those lost souls rest in peace.

Did you know that Dr Kerryn Phelps and partner also suffered sever COVID-19 vaccine injuries? These are just two prominent public figures, who were derided, much like your doing now, for sharing their story publicly. A doctor and Professor of medicine for goodness sake.

x.com/drkerrynphelps/status/1622834619245826049

and www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/severely-damaged-and-abandoned-australian-victims-of-covid19-vaccine-injuries-feel-they-are-not-being-heard-by-australian-government/news-story/d8a5dd7972394c43d40426f020daa4d9

^^^^ That's pretty harsh. Especially, as D3 offered sympathy for your situation and lived experience.

I think you should apologize to D3 and Mr. Milk for being dismissive and too quick to judge.

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myscreenname said..
^^^^ That's pretty harsh. Especially, as D3 offered sympathy for your situation and lived experience.

I think you should apologize to D3 and Mr. Milk for being dismissive and too quick to judge.

Not likely, unless of course he retracts his claim that I'm essentially, lying. He's doing the judging here bro. Come on. Get real.

Sympathy/empathy in my experience, doesn't include dismissing someone's lived experience. That's a pretty mucked up way of expressing "sympathy".

But alas, I'm used to this kind of hypocrisy.

Notice here:

ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=~AUS

how the excess deaths due to all causes is and was running way above average, and most notably, how during the pre-vaccine period of the "Scamdemic" it wasn't as high as after the new vaccines were rolled out.

Over 35% after the vaxx rollout.

In fact during the height of the pandemic in 2020 - all cause mortality was below average! Interesting hey?

I thought it was supposed to be the worst pandemic "since the Spanish Flu" or some such propaganda, and that we all needed to bunker down until the miracle new vaccines were pumped out, or risk the death of our grandmas.

But shhhh, don't question "the science" you conspiracy theorist!

ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=~AUS

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peacenlove said..

myscreenname said..
^^^^ That's pretty harsh. Especially, as D3 offered sympathy for your situation and lived experience.

I think you should apologize to D3 and Mr. Milk for being dismissive and too quick to judge.

Not likely, unless of course he retracts his claim that I'm essentially, lying. He's doing the judging here bro. Come on. Get real.

Sympathy/empathy in my experience, doesn't include dismissing someone's lived experience. That's harsh.

Hmmm...
I'll agree that what I was trying to convey is not achieved by what I wrote.

I apologise that it came across that I was accusing you of lying.
I want to be clear that I am not.

So how to do this?

Maybe like this?

You claim that the COVID-19 vaccinations are dangerous and responsible for untold deaths and harms.
To back this claim up:
You post links and graphs from unverified reports.
You then state you and your family suffered the loss of loved ones due to the vaccines.

All this in the hopes " that something will get through. Call me a liar call me whatever, but i promise, this information is absolutely true, is my direct life experience, and is shared only because i don't want to see anyone suffer from this anymore"

I can understand where you are coming from, but I just don't see the devastation you do. It's hard for me to accept that these vaccines are killing so many people when there is no evidence of that in my life.

It makes me wonder if there could be other reasons behind your losses and grief?

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peacenlove said..
Notice here:

ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=~AUS

how the excess deaths due to all causes is and was running way above average, and most notably, how during the pre-vaccine period of the "Scamdemic" it wasn't as high as after the new vaccines were rolled out.

Over 35% after the vaxx rollout.

In fact during the height of the pandemic in 2020 - all cause mortality was below average! Interesting hey?

I thought it was supposed to be the worst pandemic "since the Spanish Flu" or some such propaganda, and that we all needed to bunker down until the miracle new vaccines were pumped out, or risk the death of our grandmas.

But shhhh, don't question "the science" you conspiracy theorist!

ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=~AUS

In the same post you claim that covid was a scam because it wasn't the worst pandemic since the Spanish Flu, you inadvertently point to data that actually shows COVID-19 wasn't a walk in the park.

The excess deaths graph you linked to actually correlates really well with covid cases and reported covid deaths.
Not so well with covid vaccination rates.

If your claim is accurate, where is the matching excess deaths peak in October 2021 for peak vaccination rate?
Why did the excess deaths rate climb in December 2021 before the vaccination rates increased again?

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Brent in Qld said..

Hay!!! Don't post my personal life on here for all to see for eternity

no doxing

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Mark _australia said..You said mRNA acting vaccine was new tech and untested.

peacenlove said.. Rebuttal actually requires something of substance. D3 is having a good go. I respect that. Remery calls people idiots. FN just says BS while admitting he doesn't even read the whole post, let alone check on its accuracy.

Some rebuttal then. You said mRNA acting vaccine was new tech and untested.
False, its been used before.
The issue was its technically hard to make work so it NEEDED a huge event with lots of NEED by the whole world, to push it into the first proper human use. Just like, for example we have had solar and wind and etc power for decades but suddenly we might really need it more so are phasing it in quicker.

publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

As folks like you only read the tagline and not the actual research etc, here it is from the above site:

The first mRNA flu vaccine was tested in mice in the 1990s and the first mRNA vaccines for rabies were tested in humans in 2013.


Then again a public health journal from a major university, nah fk that listen to the neurotic mum's groups on Facebook instad.

Don't think I said that at all.

I know mRNA tech has been explored for decades, and tested for rare conditions in very limited trials yes, but never rolled out in mass vaccination or even flu jabs. Going from a few tiny trials over decades, to vaccinating billions with a novel mRNA nano-technology mid pandemic is a stretch Mark. A real big stretch.

I didn't say the technology was new, nor did i say it wasn't tested. In essence I said that before COVID-19, mRNA vaccine technology had never been used as a significant public health measure. This should not be a controversial idea, since it's the cold hard truth.

Perhaps avoid misleading people mark.

Moderna sat on the technology for a decade before COVID hit and for good reason, and your link demonstrates that. Neatly!

Isn't it amazing how the technology "being ready" just coincided with the COVID Scamdemic. Neat.

Which coincided with the death just before of the inventor of the RT-PCR technology that was needed to bring about mass testing for the first time - Dr Kary Mullis - an arch enemy of the biomedical complex who would have been a loud critic of the misuse of his gene sequencing technology. Neat again.

Which coincided with Event 201 in New York in late 2019, involving many stakeholders in the game, a pre-pandemic exercise for a global coronavirus pandemic. Just a month before the outbreak. Neat again!

Which coincided with an outbreak of flu in Wuhan, China, where they were conducting highly risky "gain -of-function" research into "bat coronaviruses" (and potential bioweapons), partly funded by the USA/USAID. Neat again!

Love those coincidences. All within a few months of each other. Nature delivers again! $$$ So neat.

So Mark, would you show us where mRNA vaccines had been deployed in large scale public vaccination campaigns before COVID-19. Educate us.

. . .

Go RFK Jr. He's just about confirmed HHS Secretary.

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OpenVAERS does what VAERS fails to do, which is to provide a simple, legible, fully transparent graphic account of their own data. OpenVAERS does this with clarity and does nothing more, and to believe otherwise is just foolish. Good on OpenVAERS for doing something the public health officials persistently fail to do. Happy for you to present your reasons for your allegations about OpenVAERS here. I'm listening.

Meanwhile, at VAERS, one has to trawl through this cumbersome database tool to find the truth. Good luck finding any truth trying to collate datasets in that dog of a tool.

wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

In the absence of a user friendly database that presents clear data, OpenVAERS is perhaps our best source to unpack the bull dust.

This explains who OpenVAERS arrives at its database and reports: www.openvaers.com/faq/how-we-count-at-openvaers

Note also, that there's two sets of books at VAERS.www.openvaers.com/faq/vaers-the-database-the-export-and-whats-missing-part-2

"An anti-vaxxer website which scrapes and misrepresents data from a government-run database has been spreading misinformation like wildfire through anti-vax communities for the last month. Now for the first time, the identity of the woman running the site has been revealed.OpenVAERS, a site set up in early 2021 to spread vaccine misinformation by misusing federal data, is being operated by Liz Willner, 55, who lives in the wealthy enclave of Piedmont, a community completely surrounded by Oakland, California, according to new research conducted by AI-powered misinformation tracking group Logically"www.vice.com/en/article/this-woman-secretly-runs-one-of-the-worlds-biggest-anti-vax-websites-from-her-house/

Thank god you are free. I almost can't believe it.

Was it difficult for you seeing all the rubbish p&l was posting and being unable to correct the c(!)nt.

Is it true your suspension was due to calling someone a five letter word beginning with 'i' and ending with 't'?