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D3 said..

peacenlove said..

TonyAbbott said..
There are about 9000 chemicals, herbicides, pesticides, food additives, preservitives etc etc used in the USA that are banned in Europe due to their health concerns.

I am sure Europe uses plenty that are banned in the USA

I asked a fruit grower here in Australia if he thinks I have to wash his products before eating. He told me they have to use a particular pesticide on their produce in order to grow and sell them here in Australia. Australia is the only country that uses this particular chemical. Banned everywhere else or they have harmless ways to achieve same result. It does gets washed before packaging, but not well, so he recommended to wash everything before eating.

Who has it right? RFK junior wants to ask this question, make the food/chemical industry prove it is safe and then be held liable if they get it wrong.

Sounds fair enough to me.

Sounds fair, but only to those truly interested in the good health of all mankind.

Red No.3 food dye is a known carcinogen banned in Europe but still widely put into consumable food stuffs in the USA and Australia. The FDA has now revoked its safety approval.

www.fda.gov/food/hfp-constituent-updates/fda-revoke-authorization-use-red-no-3-food-and-ingested-drugs

Red dye was banned from cosmetics long ago due to its carcinogenicity, but ironically has been allowed to be added to crap masquerading as processed food ever since. Think again before drinking your red cordial or sports drink poison, as you're supporting the sickness industry

Go figure!

I thought you'd have a different opinion on it.
Considering the FDA must have caved in to political pressure on this.

This quote is directly from their decision when "petitioned" to review Red No. 3 as an approved food additive. You tell me where it says it's a carcinogen for humans?

"The petition requested the agency review whether the Delaney Clause applied and cited, among other data and information, two studies that showed cancer in laboratory male rats exposed to high levels of FD&C Red No. 3 due to a rat specific hormonal mechanism. The way that FD&C Red No. 3 causes cancer in male rats does not occur in humans. Relevant exposure levels to FD&C Red No. 3 for humans are typically much lower than those that cause the effects shown in male rats. Studies in other animals and in humans did not show these effects; claims that the use of FD&C Red No. 3 in food and in ingested drugs puts people at risk are not supported by the available scientific information. "

Red No.3 dye is a well known and proven carcinogen in lab rat studies. The FDA has assessed that until more data is provided, the risk to humans is too high to continue with approval. It seems there's been either a deliberate or concerted lack of studies linking Red No.3 dye to cancers in humans. Why?

I'm not arguing facts here.

Research at the FDA labs supports Australian genomics researcher Kevin McKernan's and Canadian virologist Dr David Speicher's findings that COVID mRNA vaxxine batches are contaminated with high levels of DNA fragments - far exceeding safety limits set by public health authorities:

jhss.scholasticahq.com/article/127890-a-rapid-detection-method-of-replication-competent-plasmid-dna-from-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-for-quality-control

brownstone.org/articles/fda-lab-uncovers-excess-dna-contamination-in-covid-19-vaccines/

Of course, it's all a big dumb CONSPIRACY THEORY according to the eminent scientific researchers on STB. (Cue some knee-jerk website bias assessment propaganda to avoid discussing the truth)

and here: osf.io/preprints/osf/b9t7m_v1

and here: osf.io/preprints/osf/mjc97_v1

and here: www.mdpi.com/2409-9279/7/3/41

and here: hal.science/hal-04778576v1

I guess RFK Jr will have his work cut out chasing the crooks who allowed and funded this. ^^

RFK Jr can resurrect these inconvenient truths also. The COVID-19 vaccine trials that injured children, that were covered up.

The doctors and executives involved should be prosecuted. Fauci included. Presidential pardon on not.

Such reports confirm why my nephew's 17 year old friend who was totally healthy died in his sleep four days after his first Pfizer booster shot.

?si=FalRIzGEjKc8hgRh

Opinion piece by Ramesh Thakur, is a former United Nations Assistant Secretary-General, and emeritus professor in the Crawford School of Public Policy, The Australian National University.

Quite a missive against the corrupt establishment.

brownstone.org/articles/trump-calls-time-on-self-flagellation/

"For nigh on two decades, Western democracies have been busy pouring highly inflammable fuels on the bonfire of progressive vanities that has been consuming them. Acts of willful self-flagellation include affirmative action policies that have morphed into DEI mandates, net-zero death wishes, political correctness, gender self-ID, and other proliferating examples of wokery-pokery. State control of information has been central to this effort in which 'correctspeak' guidance is issued from authorised agencies, adopted and parroted by the media, and ruthlessly enforced by the administrative state and a compliant judiciary."

Much needed allopathic medical system scrutiny, including mention of Dr Rosenau's seminal exhaustive experiments, funded by government agencies, and published in medical journals, that demonstrated so-called "Spanish Flu" could not be directly transmitted to others.

odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/The-Healthcare-System-Hoax:5?r=AJSp178QtwDuN7Wd7BQjfF2ABUoGP9jd

Also worth reading to seek truth:

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Demoralisation is one of the first stages in any campaign to control an entire people through force. Ask the Russians or Eastern Europeans who lived through the Soviet Communist era.

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Red No.3 dye is a well known and proven carcinogen in lab rat studies. The FDA has assessed that until more data is provided, the risk to humans is too high to continue with approval. It seems there's been either a deliberate or concerted lack of studies linking Red No.3 dye to cancers in humans. Why?

I'm not arguing facts here.

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peacenlove said..
Research at the FDA labs supports Australian genomics researcher Kevin McKernan's and Canadian virologist Dr David Speicher's findings that COVID mRNA vaxxine batches are contaminated with high levels of DNA fragments - far exceeding safety limits set by public health authorities:

jhss.scholasticahq.com/article/127890-a-rapid-detection-method-of-replication-competent-plasmid-dna-from-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-for-quality-control

brownstone.org/articles/fda-lab-uncovers-excess-dna-contamination-in-covid-19-vaccines/

Of course, it's all a big dumb CONSPIRACY THEORY according to the eminent scientific researchers on STB. (Cue some knee-jerk website bias assessment propaganda to avoid discussing the truth)

and here: osf.io/preprints/osf/b9t7m_v1

and here: osf.io/preprints/osf/mjc97_v1

and here: www.mdpi.com/2409-9279/7/3/41

and here: hal.science/hal-04778576v1

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peacenlove said..
I guess RFK Jr will have his work cut out chasing the crooks who allowed and funded this. ^^

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peacenlove said..
RFK Jr can resurrect these inconvenient truths also. The COVID-19 vaccine trials that injured children, that were covered up.

The doctors and executives involved should be prosecuted. Fauci included. Presidential pardon on not.

Such reports confirm why my nephew's 17 year old friend who was totally healthy died in his sleep four days after his first Pfizer booster shot.

?si=FalRIzGEjKc8hgRh

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peacenlove said..
Opinion piece by Ramesh Thakur, is a former United Nations Assistant Secretary-General, and emeritus professor in the Crawford School of Public Policy, The Australian National University.

Quite a missive against the corrupt establishment.

brownstone.org/articles/trump-calls-time-on-self-flagellation/

"For nigh on two decades, Western democracies have been busy pouring highly inflammable fuels on the bonfire of progressive vanities that has been consuming them. Acts of willful self-flagellation include affirmative action policies that have morphed into DEI mandates, net-zero death wishes, political correctness, gender self-ID, and other proliferating examples of wokery-pokery. State control of information has been central to this effort in which 'correctspeak' guidance is issued from authorised agencies, adopted and parroted by the media, and ruthlessly enforced by the administrative state and a compliant judiciary."

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peacenlove said..
Much needed allopathic medical system scrutiny, including mention of Dr Rosenau's seminal exhaustive experiments, funded by government agencies, and published in medical journals, that demonstrated so-called "Spanish Flu" could not be directly transmitted to others.

odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/The-Healthcare-System-Hoax:5?r=AJSp178QtwDuN7Wd7BQjfF2ABUoGP9jd

Also worth reading to seek truth:

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Yeah, Nah.

Rubbish!

Yep, hygiene and improved health overall in Western countries made a massive impact on the burden of disease.

Bu I can't help.but notice that the images supplied by you make it look like those diseases were eradicated in the 60s.

The table below indicates the incidence of measles deaths in England and Wales from 1940 to 2017 (red is the number of deaths, black is notifications) [UK government data].




From the 40s, the number of cases fluctuated massively, but that final reduction in cases and deaths did not occur until after vaccination was introduced.

400,000 cases of measles seems like a lot in a population of 40 million.

Indeed. The purpose of my posts, is to dispel the widely held false belief that it was vaccines that eradicated disease, when in truth no vaccine EVER eradicated a disease all on its own, but contributed, well down the path to eradication through better public health, to the suppression of those diseases. Small Pox is about as good as it gets.

So when people falsely claim: "vaccines eradicated infection disease" or some such, as some do here, i wish to point out that the vaccines only played a role at the very end of the eradication process. In some cases, such as the introduction of the first polio vaccine led to a disastrous public health emergency worse than the disease:

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1383764/

or the hoax "Swine Flu" jab of 1976 that led to many injuries and deaths that led to its swift withdrawal:

www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-swine-flu-vaccine-fiasco-180961994/

So yeah, at best vaccines are not a panacea but just one tool in public health. I demand safe and effective vaccines. Not rushed nano-tech human software injectables that cross the blood brain barrier and infiltrate all organs including the heart, lungs, liver, kidneys and pancreas - unlike any "vaccines" before them.

What's disturbing about the "COVID-19" injectables, is that they are neither proper vaccines, nor did public health officials pay any respect to decades of public health policy, where it is well known that vaccines only play a bit part in eradication of disease and should never be rolled out mid health crisis! The "lockdown until vaccination" policy was an unmitigated public health disaster and public servants dishing out severe abuse of the public. The erosion of public truth in policy makers since has led to further instability of the body politic - and rightly so.

Here's the result:



Ouch indeed.

Nothing to see here! All's fine. Look over there - a war in Ukraine!

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Indeed. The purpose of my posts, is to dispel the widely held false belief that it was vaccines that eradicated disease, when in truth no vaccine EVER eradicated a disease all on its own, but contributed, well down the path to eradication through better public health, to the suppression of those diseases. Small Pox is about as good as it gets.

I wish you had lead with this. Now I am assigning you to the kooky anti-vaxxer bin, and I could have done that weeks ago.

Is the PeaceNLove username meant to be ironic? Or was SkodaOne taken?

who here has stated that vaccines were solely responsible for reducing the burden of disease from infectious diseases? No one

Everyone acknowledges that better domestic hygiene standards, water quality, food supply, access to primary healthcare, antibiotics etc are some of the key improvements in quality of life and life expectancy in the 20th century.

But as a single tool, applied by itself, they have been extremely effective.

As is evidenced by their impact around the world with global vaccination campaigns where hygiene standards, water quality and access to healthcare are still lagging behind.

Have there been vaccine failures? Yes
Are vaccines perfec? No

Have the manufacturers improved and made vaccines safer over the years? Yes

Should we stop asking for safer vaccine technology? No

But also, we shouldn't throw away one of our best tools without a replacement.

Oh plenty of people have claimed and believe as such and not just here.

A who's claiming we should "throw away one of our best tools"?

I agree with most of what you're saying D3, but if your claim that vaccines are safer than ever, how do you explain the massive spike of adverse events and deaths shown here in 2021-23?

You can see clearly in the second graph, that the "non-COVID" vaccine deaths remained largely the same, while the COVID-19 vaccine deaths spiked massively. These are only the reports that were successfully submitted, as we know from our direct experiences with loved ones and friends that many deaths were not properly reported due to doctors going into denial about a massive uptick in adverse events and all cause mortality post COVID-19 injection rollout, often refusing to file reports for fear of AHPRA pushback and scrutiny.

A true conspiracy theorist and spreader of misinformation and libel cops a walloping in court, finding his disgusting actions to be consistent with "actual malice":

childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-libel-case-daily-kos-writer-david-vickrey/

Key accusations and de-bunking:
Source: Natural News

"Accusation: Vickrey claimed that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was complicit in the Samoa measles outbreak, stating that his advocacy led to widespread vaccination hesitancy.
De-bunking: The measles outbreak was caused by a combination of factors, including logistical delays and Samoa's immunization campaign errors, lack of vitamin A levels and treatments, all issues unrelated to Kennedy's statements.

Accusation: Vickrey falsely asserted that Kennedy opposed all vaccines and promoted dangerous vaccine conspiracies.
De-bunking: Kennedy has never opposed vaccines outright but has advocated for transparency in vaccine safety research and reform in the vaccine approval process.

Accusation: Vickrey linked Kennedy to neo-Nazis and anti-Semitic groups based on his participation in a Berlin rally.
De-bunking: The rally was organized by Querdenken 711, a broad-based, peaceful movement that explicitly opposes Nazism and anti-Semitism. Kennedy's involvement was as a speaker advocating for vaccine safety and freedom of expression.

Accusation: Vickrey claimed Kennedy wanted to cause the death of Black people and that COVID-19 was designed to save Jews.
De-bunking: These statements are factually unfounded and amount to baseless and harmful allegations aimed at discrediting Kennedy's work."

Note how the truth is quite different to David Vickey's libellous and malicious views.

RFK Jr, a highly experienced and successful litigator would not let such false malice go without justice.

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babylonbee.com/news/fattest-sickest-country-on-earth-concerned-new-health-secretary-might-do-something-different

How dare RFK Jr. try something different!

That graph is an interesting one. All it seems to do is show that the USA rips off its medical consumers by charging a lot more for health care than places like the UK or Australia.

Who would have thought that making health care a commercial product would lead to higher costs?

Well, just about everyone except 'America'.

Indeed. Also shows that spending more on allopathic medicine and having the most number of scheduled vaccines does nothing to improve health when all other health measures like eating whole foods, eating less GMO, eating less pesticides and herbicides, regular exercise and clean air are up the spout.

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Indeed. Also shows that spending more on allopathic medicine and having the most number of scheduled vaccines does nothing to improve health when all other health measures like eating whole foods, eating less GMO, eating less pesticides and herbicides, regular exercise and clean air are up the spout.

No it doesn't. Literally all it shows is spending versus life expectancy. Anything else we want to make out of it is conjecture.

Even my comment about cost of healthcare can't be substantiated without other data. You could easily pretend it is showing that owning guns leads to a lower life expectancy. The same data is not there.

I love it when someone uses the term allopathic.

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japie said..
babylonbee.com/news/fattest-sickest-country-on-earth-concerned-new-health-secretary-might-do-something-different

How dare RFK Jr. try something different!

So he's planning to follow the example of some of those much better performing nations in the table?

Formula Nova, I'm expressing an informed opinion of what the data could represent. Rather than call my informed opinion conjecture, perhaps you could do the same and educate us on why the USA is so sick compared to the other nations on that list.

I reiterate, that i think, it shows that the USA is a very sick nation, for various reasons that you seem unwilling to contemplate, nor care to explain, much like the general failure of the BLOB to explain the dramatic increase in neurological diseases, autism, allergies, asthma, blood disorders, hearth disease, cancer etc., and that spending more on acute medical care does nothing to solve the underlying health crisis.

It tells us that the other nations are doing something better, or possibly have ways to manipulate data that gives us that impression.

Can any of you explain this shocking data?

Yes, it shows that other nations are doing something different and getting better results.
So why not follow their example instead?

Regarding the VAERS data? Let's have a look at the numbers.
By end of 2021 approximately 65% of the USA population had received 2 doses and over 70% had received 1 dose.

So about 200 million people received 2 doses in 2021.
That's 400 million doses.
Your table shows around 1.1Million VAERS reports with around 22,000 of those being reported deaths.

Feel free to correct my maths here:
Reports per dose - 1.1M/400M = 0.25% of doses resulted in a report to VAERS
Deaths per dose - 22,000/400M = 0.0055% of doses resulted in a death reported temporally associated with the dose.

What about the individual person?
Reports per person receiving vaccination- 1.1M/200M = 0.55%
Reported deaths per person receiving vaccination- 22,000/200M = 0.011%

So, given the unverified nature of the data, the increased vigilance for reporting (VAERS is how they ID'd the concerns around the J&J vaccine), and the sheer number of people vaccinated, could that be a reasonable explanation for you?

But we're not really here to go over and over the same covid stuff.

This thread was started around USA health and you just showed a table of data up to 2018.
That table shows that USA health expenditure vs life expectancy has blown out since the late 70s and is not a development from the covid pandemic.

Could vaccines be part of the problem? Maybe

However, if that were the case, then surely all of the better performing nations would have little to no vaccine schedule?

If vaccines aren't the main reason the USA has such a poor return on dollars spent on health, what are the other factors that the other nations are doing better at?
What is the USA doisp differently?

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Formula Nova, I'm expressing an informed opinion of what the data could represent. Rather than call my informed opinion conjecture, perhaps you could do the same and educate us on why the USA is so sick compared to the other nations on that list.

I reiterate, that i think, it shows that the USA is a very sick nation, for various reasons that you seem unwilling to contemplate, nor care to explain, much like the general failure of the BLOB to explain the dramatic increase in neurological diseases, autism, allergies, asthma, blood disorders, hearth disease, cancer etc., and that spending more on acute medical care does nothing to solve the underlying health crisis.

It tells us that the other nations are doing something better, or possibly have ways to manipulate data that gives us that impression.

Can any of you explain this shocking data?

The first question is what/who is the original source? Without this, these bar charts are an exercise in graphic design. In this case

OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner. The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.

Secondly, the world is changed by our actions not our opinions. Being informed is of little consequence, not all information is true or based in fact and humans have a predictable habit of believing absurdities and promoting their own agenda.

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Reported deaths per person receiving vaccination- 22,000/200M = 0.011%

Deaths in Australia from shark attacks in same period (2020 & 2021) = 11 / 26M people = 260 times more likely to die from the vax than from a shark attack.

Every one of those 11 made headline news. How many of the 22,000 did ?

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Brent in Qld said...
The first question is what/who is the original source? Without this, these bar charts are an exercise in graphic design...

That was also my first question about the first chart. Particularly the bit about adjusted for inflation and price differences between countries...

There would be lots of different ways to do that, yet I'd suspect they would produce quite different results.

But then I thought it might be more inkeeping with the spirit of the forums to have a little dig at D3's statistics for no particular reason, make no actual point and use some contorted and meaningless figures.

So I did.

And I stand proud of the fact.

Yeah but what you young fellas dont grasp is that back in my day shark attacks were alot harder to come by and the interest rate of them was upto almost 13 percent we had to work alot harder f?r our shark attacks because we didnt have ra?ios so even tho the fish wer bigger it just ment we didnt need to catch as many and likewise the sharks would eat sometimes 2 or 3 of us before they were satiated because we wernt so fat from watching cowboy movies on the idiot box



Ps should we rename the general section (the idiot box) ?

Pps anyone know how to get out of here?

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Without this, these bar charts are an exercise in graphic design..

To be fair though it is incredible design; the typology that could only be created by the superior intellect certain professionals have developed from a foundation knowledge held by so few.

The charts do provide a sense of posmodern space, intertwined with post-industrial materiality within a parametric program of sensory overload. The eye is instantly drawn to the vernacular brutilism whilst the soul seems to be inspired by the amalgamation of a diagrammatic pastiche. The facade hints to a regionalism, massing from the rectilinear exurbia created almost from the gentrification of the near ionic columns. Just sighting a glimpse of the apparent data enfilade makes the mind wonder if the plot will continue into a threshold of sustainability.

Indeed, such intrigue could only be celebrated by the mind of a truly great architect, nay more than an simple architect, a true visionary.

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Froth Goth said..
Pps anyone know how to get out of here?

Not sure but I think it is a 13 step process something like:

1) argue with everyone
2) get you forum-ass whopped by Carantoc
3) declare yourself to be of higer intellect than all the other morons
4) get you forum-ass whopped by Carantoc
5) crack the ****s, have a dummy spit, abuse everyone
6) get you forum-ass whopped by Carantoc
7) say ciao
8) keep pratelling on about nonsense
9) get you ass whopped by Carantoc
10) say adios
11) move states and have some sort of serious mid-life crisis / mental episode
12) return under a new username armed will all new information that is sure to prove your superiority this time
13) ....get you forum-ass whopped by Carantoc

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D3 said..
Reported deaths per person receiving vaccination- 22,000/200M = 0.011%

Deaths in Australia from shark attacks in same period (2020 & 2021) = 11 / 26M people = 260 times more likely to die from the vax than from a shark attack.

Every one of those 11 made headline news. How many of the 22,000 did ?

Is that per person who went swimming in the ocean or per individual swimming session?

Come on man, you gotta try harder