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cammd said.. >>you ask when does a fetus become human. That's like asking when does a infant become human. Both infant and fetus describe a stage of life not a type of life. That's basic science and your values are interfering to twist your understanding.

As usual, you've got me all wrong. I don't ask, if you read what I said, I'm saying that the quotes about life, aren't about life! They're about the human experience of life, and that's why I said the question they are answering should really have been when does a fetus become human.
I'm not entering into this discussion, merely pointing out, the quotes aren't answering the question, "what is life"

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japie said..

I've listened to RFK talking on numerous podcasts and interviews. Read his Fauci book as soon as it was available. The man is dedicated to what he does. He has a remarkable record pulling polluters into line.

With regard to the pharma industry he has stated on numerous occasions that all he wants them to do is to undergo scientific trials to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of their products. For some reason this has got them in a remarkable tizz.

The immunity from litigation they've had since Reagan is obviously precious to them!

Really? Which products does he think haven't had safety trials?

Will he all of a sudden accept the evidence of these safety trials? (Because he has been remarkably resistant to accepting evidence that contradicts his view)

Let's try again. In his testimony of the video I presented he claims that after Fauci was incapable of providing him with evidence of the safety trials in question in the 2016 Vaccine Safety Commission he sued. After a year he met with Fauci's lawyers who admitted the trials do not exist. So it is unlikely he is going to accept the evidence of said safety trials because he has it in writing from said lawyers that they do not exist.

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D3 said..
But do feel free to explain to us how you think RFK Juniors confirmation as head of HHS is going to improve health of all Americans?

Since this is an Australian website, wouldn't it be more interesting to talk about how RJK Jr is going to improve the health of all Australians?

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D3 said..
But do feel free to explain to us how you think RFK Juniors confirmation as head of HHS is going to improve health of all Americans?

Perhaps by drawing attention to the fact that none of the vaccine safety trials that WERE claimed by Fauci to exist do not in fact exist. And then following up by ensuring that said trials are done and shining some truth on the matter

Because the liar in this little discussion is not him is it?

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japie said..

D3 said..

japie said..

I've listened to RFK talking on numerous podcasts and interviews. Read his Fauci book as soon as it was available. The man is dedicated to what he does. He has a remarkable record pulling polluters into line.

With regard to the pharma industry he has stated on numerous occasions that all he wants them to do is to undergo scientific trials to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of their products. For some reason this has got them in a remarkable tizz.

The immunity from litigation they've had since Reagan is obviously precious to them!

Really? Which products does he think haven't had safety trials?

Will he all of a sudden accept the evidence of these safety trials? (Because he has been remarkably resistant to accepting evidence that contradicts his view)

Let's try again. In his testimony of the video I presented he claims that after Fauci was incapable of providing him with evidence of the safety trials in question in the 2016 Vaccine Safety Commission he sued. After a year he met with Fauci's lawyers who admitted the trials do not exist. So it is unlikely he is going to accept the evidence of said safety trials because he has it in writing from said lawyers that they do not exist.

I don't normally bother with Xitter, but in that video RFK Junior claimed he was selected by President Trump to lead a 2016 Vaccine safety Commision.

But that never actually happened, instead what actually occurred was Trumps administration arranged for RFK Junior to meet with Dr Collins and Dr Fauci among others. Not an actual commission.
First bit of misleading info

Right at the start of the video RFK Junior states that not one of the 72 vaccines on the schedule had prelicensure safety trials using Saline Placebo. The number of actual vaccines versus actual doses is another bit of misleading info. (Hint there aren't 72 vaccines on the birth to 18 schedule)

RFK Junior is right that these vaccines have not been trialled against a saline placebo.
And it is very unlikely that anyone will conduct those trials, considering the ethical issues involved.

So, in their meeting and in subsequent correspondence, RFK completely disregards and ignores all the evidence from the phase 3 safety trials that have been conducted. He demands that Drs Collins and Fauci provide safety data that would almost impossible to collect, let alone monstrously unethical to even run those trials.


Edited to add: Can't find any evidence that RFK Junior sued CDC, Drs Collins or Fauci in 2016 or 2017. But maybe you can find it?

The reasons saline placebo trials were not used is explained to him, he doesn't care. He continues to demand these trials be done, and claims victory because the American government is unwilling to capitulate to his impossible demands.





My current favourite thing about RFK Junior, is his double standards.
He reckon vaccines cannot be safe unless they have no more impact on the human body than a small amount of salt water. Buuuuut, he's a champion of Raw Milk, which has been responsible untold suffering throughout history and continues to cause outbreaks of life-threatening diseases such as Lysteria today.

Go figure

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Perhaps by drawing attention to the fact that none of the vaccine safety trials that WERE claimed by Fauci to exist do not in fact exist. And then following up by ensuring that said trials are done and shining some truth on the matter

Because the liar in this little discussion is not him is it?

Oh that's right, Junior claimed Fauci would send him the results of the pre-licensure "saline placebo" trials that he demanded?

Drs Fauci and Collins have never claimed that those trials have been done.

Does this count as RFK Junior lying or is it only a misleading statement or misinformation?

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philn said..

D3 said..
But do feel free to explain to us how you think RFK Juniors confirmation as head of HHS is going to improve health of all Americans?

Since this is an Australian website, wouldn't it be more interesting to talk about how RJK Jr is going to improve the health of all Australians?

That could be an interesting discussion.

I fear that any positive impact he has on the health of Australians will be unintentional, probably to the detriment of American citizens.

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philn said..

D3 said..
But do feel free to explain to us how you think RFK Juniors confirmation as head of HHS is going to improve health of all Americans?

Since this is an Australian website, wouldn't it be more interesting to talk about how RJK Jr is going to improve the health of all Australians?

Whatever we're doing its not working ,don't copy us.
www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/health-conditions-and-risks/waist-circumference-and-bmi/2017-18

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japie said..

D3 said..

japie said..

I've listened to RFK talking on numerous podcasts and interviews. Read his Fauci book as soon as it was available. The man is dedicated to what he does. He has a remarkable record pulling polluters into line.

With regard to the pharma industry he has stated on numerous occasions that all he wants them to do is to undergo scientific trials to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of their products. For some reason this has got them in a remarkable tizz.

The immunity from litigation they've had since Reagan is obviously precious to them!

Really? Which products does he think haven't had safety trials?

Will he all of a sudden accept the evidence of these safety trials? (Because he has been remarkably resistant to accepting evidence that contradicts his view)

Let's try again. In his testimony of the video I presented he claims that after Fauci was incapable of providing him with evidence of the safety trials in question in the 2016 Vaccine Safety Commission he sued. After a year he met with Fauci's lawyers who admitted the trials do not exist. So it is unlikely he is going to accept the evidence of said safety trials because he has it in writing from said lawyers that they do not exist.

I don't normally bother with Xitter, but in that video RFK Junior claimed he was selected by President Trump to lead a 2016 Vaccine safety Commision.

But that never actually happened, instead what actually occurred was Trumps administration arranged for RFK Junior to meet with Dr Collins and Dr Fauci among others. Not an actual commission.
First bit of misleading info

Right at the start of the video RFK Junior states that not one of the 72 vaccines on the schedule had prelicensure safety trials using Saline Placebo. The number of actual vaccines versus actual doses is another bit of misleading info. (Hint there aren't 72 vaccines on the birth to 18 schedule)

RFK Junior is right that these vaccines have not been trialled against a saline placebo.
And it is very unlikely that anyone will conduct those trials, considering the ethical issues involved.

So, in their meeting and in subsequent correspondence, RFK completely disregards and ignores all the evidence from the phase 3 safety trials that have been conducted. He demands that Drs Collins and Fauci provide safety data that would almost impossible to collect, let alone monstrously unethical to even run those trials.


Edited to add: Can't find any evidence that RFK Junior sued CDC, Drs Collins or Fauci in 2016 or 2017. But maybe you can find it?

The reasons saline placebo trials were not used is explained to him, he doesn't care. He continues to demand these trials be done, and claims victory because the American government is unwilling to capitulate to his impossible demands.





My current favourite thing about RFK Junior, is his double standards.
He reckon vaccines cannot be safe unless they have no more impact on the human body than a small amount of salt water. Buuuuut, he's a champion of Raw Milk, which has been responsible untold suffering throughout history and continues to cause outbreaks of life-threatening diseases such as Lysteria today.

Go figure

Look up the definition of commission.

I only had to read the last paragraph with regards to raw milk To appreciate how far out of touch you are.

Google fermented milk products.

I like that D3 called it Xitter

in Chinese the X is a shhhh sound

It's kind of you to notice, Mark.

Unfortunately I can't take credit for it

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japie said..

D3 said..

japie said..

D3 said..

japie said..

I've listened to RFK talking on numerous podcasts and interviews. Read his Fauci book as soon as it was available. The man is dedicated to what he does. He has a remarkable record pulling polluters into line.

With regard to the pharma industry he has stated on numerous occasions that all he wants them to do is to undergo scientific trials to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of their products. For some reason this has got them in a remarkable tizz.

The immunity from litigation they've had since Reagan is obviously precious to them!

Really? Which products does he think haven't had safety trials?

Will he all of a sudden accept the evidence of these safety trials? (Because he has been remarkably resistant to accepting evidence that contradicts his view)

Let's try again. In his testimony of the video I presented he claims that after Fauci was incapable of providing him with evidence of the safety trials in question in the 2016 Vaccine Safety Commission he sued. After a year he met with Fauci's lawyers who admitted the trials do not exist. So it is unlikely he is going to accept the evidence of said safety trials because he has it in writing from said lawyers that they do not exist.

I don't normally bother with Xitter, but in that video RFK Junior claimed he was selected by President Trump to lead a 2016 Vaccine safety Commision.

But that never actually happened, instead what actually occurred was Trumps administration arranged for RFK Junior to meet with Dr Collins and Dr Fauci among others. Not an actual commission.
First bit of misleading info

Right at the start of the video RFK Junior states that not one of the 72 vaccines on the schedule had prelicensure safety trials using Saline Placebo. The number of actual vaccines versus actual doses is another bit of misleading info. (Hint there aren't 72 vaccines on the birth to 18 schedule)

RFK Junior is right that these vaccines have not been trialled against a saline placebo.
And it is very unlikely that anyone will conduct those trials, considering the ethical issues involved.

So, in their meeting and in subsequent correspondence, RFK completely disregards and ignores all the evidence from the phase 3 safety trials that have been conducted. He demands that Drs Collins and Fauci provide safety data that would almost impossible to collect, let alone monstrously unethical to even run those trials.


Edited to add: Can't find any evidence that RFK Junior sued CDC, Drs Collins or Fauci in 2016 or 2017. But maybe you can find it?

The reasons saline placebo trials were not used is explained to him, he doesn't care. He continues to demand these trials be done, and claims victory because the American government is unwilling to capitulate to his impossible demands.





My current favourite thing about RFK Junior, is his double standards.
He reckon vaccines cannot be safe unless they have no more impact on the human body than a small amount of salt water. Buuuuut, he's a champion of Raw Milk, which has been responsible untold suffering throughout history and continues to cause outbreaks of life-threatening diseases such as Lysteria today.

Go figure

Look up the definition of commission.

I only had to read the last paragraph with regards to raw milk To appreciate how far out of touch you are.

Google fermented milk products.

Please do choose a meaning of the word "commission" that you think applies to a meeting?
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/commission

Even the Children's Health Defence website says it was only a 2 hour meeting, not a commission.
"On May 31, 2017, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., at the request of the White House, had a two-hour meeting with the following individuals at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Bethesda, MD, to discuss vaccine safety"

Tell you what why don't you find 3 things?
1. The Whitehouse statement appointing RFK Junior to head the Vaccine Safety Commission

2. The CDC recommended schedule for vaccination from birth to 18 and show the 72 separate vaccines

3. Evidence that RFK Junior or the CHD sued the CDC or Drs Collins and Fauci as he claimed he did.

Regarding fermented dairy products?
I do enjoy quite a few, even make my own yoghurt and buttermilk. But I do it with pasteurised milk, not raw, so as to reduce the risk of eating something that is contaminated with any of the following: Listeria, Cryptosporidium, Campylobacter, Brucella, Escherichia coli, Salmonella, Aspergillus flavus, Aspergillus parasiticus and Aspergillus nomius
(Look up aflatoxins produced by the last 3)

Since the Scepticism and Critical Thinking thread seems almost devoid of Scepticism and Critical Thinking, i thought I'd post this here, where there seems to be a few sceptics and critical thinkers - with interesting points of view.

Interesting read:

brownstone.org/articles/the-biodefense-oligarchy-and-its-demographic-defeats/

Small quote from middle of story:

"This is the reason the origin of SARS2 must be known. Not for retribution or reconciliation, not to prevent a man-made pandemic from occurring again. These are valid, but are not the reason. It must be known to accurately assess the demographic damage from the response, to know the near and long-term effects, to know the myocardial state of the nation's fighting-aged men, and to know the cruel annual compound interest in deaths the mRNA decision will bring, to know the citizenry's vulnerability to the [PRC]20 spike protein, to know the duration of our civilization's vulnerability.

To those who argue that it would be too costly for America to acknowledge its role in creating SARS-CoV-2, or that America cannot afford for its enemies to know how bad the vaccine injuries in the military are - arguments I heard repeatedly in these years as a whistleblower - the potential magnitude of the screwup, Sicily Redux, our equivalent to Athens' loss of 30,000, both the physical and moral injury, far surpasses the financial and reputational costs to admitting the truth. The failures will only exacerbate as the new administration declassifies intelligence, for the cardiac and IgG4 risks of using the spike protein as the mRNA epitope could have been extrapolated from the suppressed Department of Energy assessment had the cover-up not fouled informed risk analysis."

On Dr Fauci, here's Nobel Prize winning researcher Dr Kary Mullis, who invented the RT-PCR testing protocol so fraudulently used during "COVID".

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I suppose Kary Mullis wouldn't have a high opinion of Dr Fauci, considering Dr Fauci has spent a large portion of his life working in research around HIV and AIDS. Kary Mullis didn't believe HIV causes AIDS

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I suppose Kary Mullis wouldn't have a high opinion of Dr Fauci, considering Dr Fauci has spent a large portion of his life working in research around HIV and AIDS. Kary Mullis didn't believe HIV causes AIDS

Indeed. Kary Mullis was Fauci's enemy because Fauci asked Mullis to do fraud when he was hired to use the PCR test to sequence the HIV genome. Mullis kept asking Fauci and NIAID / NIH to provide the sources for one of their hypothesis so he could cite it in his research report. No citation ever materialised.

That's fraud and Mullis became Fauci's enemy ever since.

Mullis is a proper scientist with a Nobel Prize and real research behind him.

Same with Dr Luc Montagnier. When he realised his Nobel Prize winning research into HIV and viruses was based upon decades of systematic fraud, he turned on the biomedical establishment.

Fauci was just an administrator with an agenda and he's a professional liar. He was also aware that his promotion of the discredited 1970's chemotherapy drug AZT to treat "HIV" positive patients was the major cause of most AIDS deaths - not a virus that Mullis and Montagnier realised through their work was in fact, an artificial creation of dodgy gene sequencing processes.

Interesting on the lab leak cover up that aligns with the Congressional Sub Committee on COVID-19's findings on the lab leak origin:

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Interesting on the lab leak cover up that aligns with the Congressional Sub Committee on COVID-19's findings on the lab leak origin:

Just who are you and where are you froom/located?
The negativity that your posts exude is somewhat overwhelming.

I thought it was a lab leak too, but we will never know one way or another. China wasn't transparent about what happened. They just put a bunch of sanctions on our goods when Australia got all shouty about it. It wasn't in their interest to come clean about it.

So how do you bring a superpower to account? Liberals failed spectacularly, Labor government, to its credit, chose to back off and the chinks lifted some trade sanctions.

Maybe Dutton could shirtfront Xi ?

We know just the thought of that strikes fear into them

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UncleBob said..

peacenlove said..
Interesting on the lab leak cover up that aligns with the Congressional Sub Committee on COVID-19's findings on the lab leak origin:

Just who are you and where are you froom/located?
The negativity that your posts exude is somewhat overwhelming.

I've simply quoted a mainstream media news interview with a Washington D.C. insider. Nothing to do with who i am or "where I'm from".

The COVID issue will only be in the past when the truth comes out - and part of the truth is that there is zero evidence the "virus" is of natural origin. Zip. Armed with the truth, those interested in peace and prosperity for all will wish to seek justice against the perpetrators of this gross atrocity against mankind.

Perhaps you've got the problem with negativity bro?

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I thought it was a lab leak too, but we will never know one way or another. China wasn't transparent about what happened. They just put a bunch of sanctions on our goods when Australia got all shouty about it. It wasn't in their interest to come clean about it.

So how do you bring a superpower to account? Liberals failed spectacularly, Labor government, to its credit, chose to back off and the chinks lifted some trade sanctions.

When crime is investigated, shouldn't the strongest evidence lead the investigation in a certain direction?

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myscreenname said..
I thought it was a lab leak too, but we will never know one way or another. China wasn't transparent about what happened. They just put a bunch of sanctions on our goods when Australia got all shouty about it. It wasn't in their interest to come clean about it.

So how do you bring a superpower to account? Liberals failed spectacularly, Labor government, to its credit, chose to back off and the chinks lifted some trade sanctions.

When crime is investigated, shouldn't the strongest evidence lead the investigation in a certain direction?

And when you don't find conclusive evidence, what do you do then?

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D3 said..And when you don't find conclusive evidence, what do you do then?

peacenlove said..

myscreenname said..
I thought it was a lab leak too, but we will never know one way or another. China wasn't transparent about what happened. They just put a bunch of sanctions on our goods when Australia got all shouty about it. It wasn't in their interest to come clean about it.

So how do you bring a superpower to account? Liberals failed spectacularly, Labor government, to its credit, chose to back off and the chinks lifted some trade sanctions.

When crime is investigated, shouldn't the strongest evidence lead the investigation in a certain direction?

And when you don't find conclusive evidence, what do you do then?

That's your opinion - that there can't be any conclusions drawn. The House Oversight Committee, USA Senate Committees, CIA etc would beg to differ.

In any case, one would do well to continue with the best evidence at hand, in this case, the gain-of-function bioweapons research programs that were shut down in the USA in 2015 because they were considered dangerous, that were subsequently contracted to the WIV through Eco Health Alliance. Since the outbreak happened just down the road from the research facility where they were studying the very same "coronaviruses" and staff at the WIV were reported ill with an unusual respiratory illness should be enough for any free thinker to pause and think.

Since there's zero evidence for a natural origin, only a fool would continue to believe in such theories. Yet the beliefs persist five years on - a kind of unique denial mechanism perhaps?

Certainly, an unwillingness to run with the most obvious current leads in any investigation is just silly, don't you think? Just because it disagrees with years of relentless official propaganda on the baseless natural origin theory - what appears now to be nothing more than a fanciful cover story?

The House Oversight Committee is quite clear on the subject. The table of contents alone is sobering reading for any apologist for the system:

oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/2024.12.04-SSCP-FINAL-REPORT-ANS.pdf

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I just can't wait for the liability protection to be removed from vaccine manufacturers.
Without this shield they will pay more in injury compensation than what they can possibly make in sales.
Hope no one has big pharma investments because it's going to freefall.

And what would be the follow on effects of this outcome?

What are you hoping the benefits to the wider population will be?

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snoidberg said..
I just can't wait for the liability protection to be removed from vaccine manufacturers.
Without this shield they will pay more in injury compensation than what they can possibly make in sales.
Hope no one has big pharma investments because it's going to freefall.

And what would be the follow on effects of this outcome?

What are you hoping the benefits to the wider population will be?

Surely that is simple. They will manufacture vaccines that are safe and effective.

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Mullis is a proper scientist with a Nobel Prize and real research behind him.

Dr Mullis was a chemistry PhD and all his research was in chemistry. As much as he was clearly a very smart person, unfortunately his opinion on non chemistry subject matters does not have the same authority as his opinion on chemistry subject matters.

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peacenlove said..
Mullis is a proper scientist with a Nobel Prize and real research behind him.

Dr Mullis was a chemistry PhD and all his research was in chemistry. As much as he was clearly a very smart person, unfortunately his opinion on non chemistry subject matters does not have the same authority as his opinion on chemistry subject matters.

Doesn't change the fact that his knowledge exposed Dr Fauci's corruption. If Mullis's knowledge was so limited as you claim, why did Dr Fauci hire him?

Dr Luc Montagnier was a biologist and recipient of the Nobel Prize also and he turned on the corrupt medical complex when he realised just how corrupt it was. I suppose he knows nothing about biology either.

Why do you defend the corrupt establishment, which is controlled by vested interests, whilst finding fault with independent researchers with vast knowledge?

Fauci admitted in US Senate hearings that he just made up the six foot rule and he's famous for flip-flopping on masking. He also was one of the lead authors of the COVID natural origin myth propaganda, which is totally without any basis in reality and has zero evidence to support it. Fauci is also known for his narcissistic statement that to question him is to question science itself. Whatever that means. What a condescending tosser.

I suppose all this is OK by you?

Quote: "Meet the original "Conspiracy Theorists," Ronald Reagan and the members of the 99th Congress, who, in 1986, passed into law the "medical misinformation" that vaccines were "unavoidably unsafe" and potentially caused autism." unquote


Source: brownstone.org/articles/the-99th-congress-that-called-vaccines-unavoidably-unsafe/


In 1986, US Congress gave vaccine manufacturers extraordinary protection from liability and at the same time, transferred the expense and risks to the public. No American voted for this, but because of apathy and ignorance, allowed it to perpetuate. Now the BLOB (state apparatus) has almost total control over public "health" and in the process, has become a corrupt self-serving monster beholden to vested interests.

(Enter Trump and RFK and Musk)

Since the 1986 Act that was put in place because it was recognised that vaccines are "unavoidably unsafe", the subsequent explosion in autism, neurological diseases, food allergies, asthma etc are never explained. We're never given an explanation by the system/BLOB as to what is the driving cause behind these staggering increases in chronic non-communicable diseases in our children and the population at large. Hundreds of independent studies linking vaccination to all cause mortality are demonised, while government entities fail to ever once conduct a rigorous study on the overall health of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children. Never. They claim vaccines are safe in one forum, then admit in a legal and policy forum that they are "unavoidably unsafe". Despite the 1986 Act that recognised that quote "vaccines are unavoidable unsafe" and they refuse to conduct the studies. Is that because it would prove something that the BLOB doesn't want Joe Public to know? The matter could be resolved simply once and for all, yet the controversy continues while politicians take money from Big Pharma and the BLOB's corporate and private funders.

Men and women argue with each other in the street and public fora, while public health suffers and the BLOB's coffers overflow (viz. Pfizer and Moderna's record COVID era profits).

This explosion in chronic disease since 1986 (and earlier) happened by some inexplicable coincidence of life, yet we're supposed to just accept all this as part of our wonderful modern lifestyle. Don't question industrial food production. Don't question highly refined and processed foods replacing whole foods and organic food production. Don't question toxins in our water and food. Don't question vaccines. Don't question the massive increases in our exposure to a broad spectrum of proximal electromagnetic radiation. Don't question anything the BLOB does. They know what's best for us. Shut up and eat it. Shut up and take the poison. Shop in the three aisles of a supermarket filled with sugary drinks, sweets, processed oils, starches and concoctions barely resembling sustenance - and love it. Gorge on it. Treat yourself to some highly inflammatory seed oil mixed with high fructose corn syrup and starch.

But give anyone who does pose uncomfortable questions a hard time and label them "conspiracy theorists" - judge them to be interested in depressing topics, instead of being interested in a future of peace, prosperity, health and vitality - where all thrive as equals - where knowledge is shared instead of codified, classified, kept secret. Do this just as you're told to do by the corrupt corporate media, by shady politicians and by bureaucrats! Give those peaceniks grief. Tick. Good citizen-bots! Now pay your taxes citizen! Pay your rates to your treasonous unlawful council corporation posing as local government.

But i digress .

I never knew anyone with autism or a food allergy when i was in primary school. No one in the entire school of hundreds of children!

Now a large portion of children have allergies, intolerances, autism, ADHD, chronic disease, diabetes and cancer or identify as special! But apparently we are supposed to just accept all this dysfunction and be quiet. Don't make waves. Don't ask questions. Shhh. Look over there - a war in Ukraine! Ukraine is winning the war! (nonsense they're on their knees and Russia isn't even trying all that hard, and Zalensky is a crook dictator who banned opposition parties and supports the Azov Brigade fascists).

Remember: War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength. Freedom is Slavery.. And as Dictator Dan said: Staying Apart Keeps Us Together.

Yet despite all the above, RFK, like the other souls on earth interested in health and vitality, in peace, in freedom and in justice; is being demonised for wanting to make the discussion about public health, open and transparent. Burn him at the stake.

Peace be with all.

peacenlove could win this discussion. A convincing arguement.