The hottest day recorded in the U.K was in London recently - 40 C.

Only problem they recorded the temperature at Heathrow Airport where there is a lot of tarmac about, artificially causing the temperature to increase. caused by the release of radiated heat.

Skewing the data might work for the majority but for others it has the opposite effect.

Now if they had recorded the temperature over the Thames I'm guessing the temperature would have been much cooler - but then that does not fit the narrative.

Pcdefender said..
The hottest day recorded in the U.K was in London recently - 40 C.

Only problem they recorded the temperature at Heathrow Airport where there is a lot of tarmac about, artificially causing the temperature to increase. caused by the release of radiated heat.
No it wasn't, it was recoreded at Corningsby 139 miles away from Heathrow

Skewing the data might work for the majority but for others it has the opposite effect.

Now if they had recorded the temperature over the Thames I'm guessing the temperature would have been much cooler - but then that does not fit the narrative.

Once again Peter



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_weather_records


Even DT knows you are wrong and he's a f'ken moron

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/19/uk-weather-record-hottest-day-ever-heatwave


He must have made a mistake and read the guardian.

From the UK Met Office website.

"Weather extremes
The tables show the national weather records. To ensure consistency, these weather records are only given for stations with standard instruments and exposure. Although some records have been broken by non-standard stations, these are not accepted as official records for this reason."

Also, they don't record temperature extremes for stations over 500 metres above sea level.

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remery said..

We really do need it to warm up a bit..

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psychomub said..

Jorgen Steffensen is a smart guy.

JTRANSCRIPT
"0:00 The last 11,000 years that since the Ice 0:05 Age this our interglacial period has 0:09 been unreasonably stable and we don't 0:13 know why 0:14 with enhance greenhouse effect from 0:16 burning of fossil fuel co2 and methane 0:19 and so on you would have a gradual 0:21 increase in temperature that's what all 0:23 the models show you it's sort of a 0:24 gradual increase in temperature but 0:27 that's assuming that the climate plays 0:28 nice and we actually know from the ice 0:31 cores that the climate does not play 0:33 nice all the time right now by emitting 0:36 greenhouse gases we are doing the same 0:40 with the climate system as the 0:43 investment banks in the u.s. did when 0:45 they were selling subprime loans in the 0:47 economy in 2006 and seven in the last Ice Ages 0:50 million years there's been a cycle of 0:52 approximately 10 ice ages and they were 0:56 sort of around 90,000 years long each of 0:58 them and then there was an interglacial 1:01 period separating the ice ages of about 1:04 10,000 years that sort of the standard 1:06 rule of events in the last million years 1:09 if we then zoom in on an ice age you see 1:13 that inside an ice age the climate is 1:16 extremely unstable and you have this 1:19 sequence of abrupt climate changes that 1:22 happen basically from one year to the 1:24 next and the it swings from semi cold to Unstable Climate 1:30 very cold semi cold to very cold with 1:33 very short spaces of time but each of 1:35 these cycles is about a couple of 1:37 thousand years long and we had that 26th 1:39 time in the last ice age all the big 1:41 cultures in India China Egypt 1:46 South America all came after the ice age 1:50 so we are assuming that this is the 1:53 standard our collective memory refers to 1:55 this as this is normal and maybe by 1:59 enhancing our emissions of greenhouse 2:01 gases we are actually tipping the 2:05 climate system to become yet unstable 2:08 again as it used to be we can face a 2:10 climate change 2:11 happens just as sudden as the financial 2:14 crisis we have tons of examples of Climate Changes 2:19 climate changes where we see complete 2:23 reorganization of the atmospheric 2:26 circulation from one year to the next 2:28 and that will be extremely hurtful for 2:32 any agricultural activity in the world 2:35 because the weather will change and not 2:38 change back fast climate transitions Climate Transitions 2:42 these abrupt climate changes that we see 2:44 recorded in the Ice Age they were 2:45 discovered in the Greenland ice cores 2:47 but now they keep finding them 2:49 everywhere in the marine sediments 2:51 wherever they look or when it comes to 2:54 Antarctica and the southern ocean you 2:56 don't see them what you see there it's Climate oscillation 3:01 also a wiggly climate line but opposite 3:06 so when it's warm in Greenland 3:08 Antarctica cools off and when it's cold 3:12 in Greenland and Erika warms up so these 3:16 abrupt climate changes it's an internal 3:19 oscillation in the Earth's climate 3:20 system what if what we do now is 3:24 introduce you so much freshwater into 3:26 the North Atlantic that a North Atlantic 3:28 Current would sort of stop that would North Atlantic current 3:33 make it terribly cold in Denmark where I 3:35 come from because we are all of northern 3:38 Europe is placed that completely 3:41 unreasonable latitudes just because of 3:44 we have the North Atlantic Current we 3:45 have remote heating so to say if that's 3:48 going to be switched off we are getting 3:50 very very cold but still the earth could 3:52 get warmer on average it's just a 3:55 distribution problem 3:57 in principle list there's no reason why 4:00 the earth could not get warmer but still 4:02 northern Europe and North America could 4:05 get cold still that area is not large 4:09 compared to the global area well we know 4:15 from the sudden climate changes in the 4:17 past is that these abrupt changes 4:23 represent a reconfiguration of the 4:26 entire atmospheric pattern what if with 4:32 the emission of greenhouse gases that we 4:34 trigger a situation when this system all 4:37 of a sudden goes into a feedback if you 4:41 reconfigure the transport patterns of 4:43 high pressures and low pressure systems 4:45 over North America and for instance 4:47 Europe but particularly in North America 4:48 and the Midwest and all of a sudden it 4:51 stops to rain and it hits the Midwest in 4:55 the u.s. annually at least a massive 4:57 crop failure that's going to impact the 5:00 entire world we don't know we don't know 5:04 when the threshold is but we are rats 5:06 inside the experiment 5:08"

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remery said..

The notion that anyone can say that one week in 2023 is globally hotter than any other single week in the last 100,000 years by a margin of decimals of a degree is more absurd than anything that PM33 posts on here.

And claiming it as an unquestionable fact is just about the worst argument for convincing PM33 that the atmospheric temperature is increasing and human activities are having a measurable effect.

^^ and posting unreadable jibberish from some unidentified source makes me wonder if it is remery33 ??

^ Hey, people wanted memes.

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remery said..
^ Hey, people wanted memes.

I think you don't understand what memes are...

It has to be really simple and convey a really simple opinion. It also adds value if it rhymes.

A transcript? Mate, we are just forwarding on stuff that arrives in our inbox, we aren't reading stuff!

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psychomub said..

We really do need it to warm up a bit..

That's the second time you have posted that video. So I thought you would like to know that I watched it as well as Jorgen's other video. I posted a transcript I case you were too busy. Note the part where is says, "right now by emitting greenhouse gases, we are doing the same with the climate system as the investment banks in the US did when they were selling subprime loans in the economy in 2006".

Genie to confused Truther.......you get one wish.

Truther - i want to know why warmtards blindly believe till their passing the establishment theory that burning fossil fuels causes this earth to warm and the sea to rise.

Genie - i will build you that bridge across the sea.

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Pcdefender said..
Genie to confused Truther.......you get one wish.

Truther - i want to know why warmtards blindly believe till their passing the establishment theory that burning fossil fuels causes this earth to warm and the sea to rise.

Genie - i will build you that bridge across the sea.

I think I agree with you for a change.

If you consider the Earth is flat, and 'derr' of course it is, then there really is no concept of gravity. Therefore its clear that the hot air just escapes from Earth and we are all good.

Where do fossil fuels come from anyway? Has anyone here actually seen a dinosaur? I doubt it.

The example supplied perfectly exhibits how self appointed Truthers are indeed generally confused. They rely on no more than myths like genies for explanations and solutions to their fantasies.

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remery said..
"The World Meteorological Organization reported last week that sea ice is at record low levels around Antarctica, 17 percent below the average for this time of year. Sea ice expands and shrinks with the seasons and the ice around Antarctica is still growing, but at the slowest pace seen since satellite observation began in the 1970s."

..and , if true, how is this a bad thing?

Tha annual whale migration is on full swing on the East Coast with record numbers of whales.

I remember sailing from Sydney to Whitsundays 20 years ago.if we saw a single whale, it was a big deal. Four years ago we did the same trip and often we were surrounded by pods of whales.

Numbers have been increasing 10% a year. How could this be possible if the whale's feeding grounds in Antarctica were in bad shape?

The fact is that there has to be a plentiful supply of krill , plankton and such **** which means the Antarctic environment is in great shape, not dying as your doom and gloom report suggests.

Warming and increased co2 availability super charges photosynthesis and therefore improves primary productivity meaning more food for all.But I get the concerns and the huge uncertainty of impacts of future warming.Even in Jorgen's video its clearly all very uncertain stuff.

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Rango said..
Warming and increased co2 availability super charges photosynthesis and therefore improves primary productivity meaning more food for all.But I get the concerns and the huge uncertainty of impacts of future warming.Even in Jorgen's video its clearly all very uncertain stuff.

I was pondering this sort of thing the other day. In the age of dinosaurs temps were higher. Megafauna lived in generally warmer climates, so if this were the case does global warming, human induced or natural, really mean disaster?

If its a closed loop climate, does higher temps mean more rainfall or less or does it really depend a lot on where you are?

Not that it is a good thing for us as we are built where we are and rising sea levels would not be a good thing for most people.

'The kinfolk said "Jed move away from there"
Said "Greenland is the place you ought to be"
So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Qaanaaq... Hills, that is... Swimmin pools, movie stars.'

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FormulaNova said..

Rango said..
Warming and increased co2 availability super charges photosynthesis and therefore improves primary productivity meaning more food for all.But I get the concerns and the huge uncertainty of impacts of future warming.Even in Jorgen's video its clearly all very uncertain stuff.

I was pondering this sort of thing the other day. In the age of dinosaurs temps were higher. Megafauna lived in generally warmer climates, so if this were the case does global warming, human induced or natural, really mean disaster?

If its a closed loop climate, does higher temps mean more rainfall or less or does it really depend a lot on where you are?

Not that it is a good thing for us as we are built where we are and rising sea levels would not be a good thing for most people.

You are are assuming we'll just sit back and watch the waves roll in, its already known by the Dutch for centuries how to live below sea level.
Even Bangladesh could have played the victim but have become a success.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/bangladesh-climate-change/620224/

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Rango said..

FormulaNova said..

Rango said..
Warming and increased co2 availability super charges photosynthesis and therefore improves primary productivity meaning more food for all.But I get the concerns and the huge uncertainty of impacts of future warming.Even in Jorgen's video its clearly all very uncertain stuff.

I was pondering this sort of thing the other day. In the age of dinosaurs temps were higher. Megafauna lived in generally warmer climates, so if this were the case does global warming, human induced or natural, really mean disaster?

If its a closed loop climate, does higher temps mean more rainfall or less or does it really depend a lot on where you are?

Not that it is a good thing for us as we are built where we are and rising sea levels would not be a good thing for most people.

You are are assuming we'll just sit back and watch the waves roll in, its already known by the Dutch for centuries how to live below sea level.
Even Bangladesh could have played the victim but have become a success.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/bangladesh-climate-change/620224/

Yeah. I understand what you are saying but this is going to happen gradually. The people living in ocean-front properties will not want to pay and everyone else will not want to pay for the people living on the ocean front.

Maybe we can get ahead of the game and 'rescue' some free land from the ocean, fill it higher than we expect we will need and then there is no problem? But it will be gradual, so when does something change? Its one thing if you live in a flat land where you can build to turn a swamp into usable land, but does this make sense if its houses and you can just build somewhere else?

Edit: It looks like that Bangladesh is on the right path based on that link. I remember that it was a poster-child for birth control and improving vaccination rates to result in lower birth rates but lower infant mortality, and as such it was improving life for a lot of its people.

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psychomub said..

..and , if true, how is this a bad thing?

Tha annual whale migration is on full swing on the East Coast with record numbers of whales.

I remember sailing from Sydney to Whitsundays 20 years ago.if we saw a single whale, it was a big deal. Four years ago we did the same trip and often we were surrounded by pods of whales.

Numbers have been increasing 10% a year. How could this be possible if the whale's feeding grounds in Antarctica were in bad shape?

The fact is that there has to be a plentiful supply of krill , plankton and such **** which means the Antarctic environment is in great shape, not dying as your doom and gloom report suggests.

"A surplus no more? Variation in krill availability impacts reproductive rates of Antarctic baleen whales
First published: 15 January 2023 doi.org/10.1111/gcb.16559

Abstract
The krill surplus hypothesis of unlimited prey resources available for Antarctic predators due to commercial whaling in the 20th century has remained largely untested since the 1970s. Rapid warming of the Western Antarctic Peninsula (WAP) over the past 50?years has resulted in decreased seasonal ice cover and a reduction of krill. The latter is being exacerbated by a commercial krill fishery in the region. Despite this, humpback whale populations have increased but may be at a threshold for growth based on these human-induced changes. Understanding how climate-mediated variation in prey availability influences humpback whale population dynamics is critical for focused management and conservation actions. Using an 8-year dataset (2013-2020), we show that inter-annual humpback whale pregnancy rates, as determined from skin-blubber biopsy samples (n =?616), are positively correlated with krill availability and fluctuations in ice cover in the previous year. Pregnancy rates showed significant inter-annual variability, between 29% and 86%. Our results indicate that krill availability is in fact limiting and affecting reproductive rates, in contrast to the krill surplus hypothesis. This suggests that this population of humpback whales may be at a threshold for population growth due to prey limitations. As a result, continued warming and increased fishing along the WAP, which continue to reduce krill stocks, will likely impact this humpback whale population and other krill predators in the region. Humpback whales are sentinel species of ecosystem health, and changes in pregnancy rates can provide quantifiable signals of the impact of environmental change at the population level. Our findings must be considered paramount in developing new and more restrictive conservation and management plans for the Antarctic marine ecosystem and minimizing the negative impacts of human activities in the region.

Does this count as a meme?

www.livescience.com/watch-footage-of-1000-baleen-whales-in-record-breaking-feeding-frenzy-in-antarctica

more phytoplankton = more krill

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Rango said..
www.livescience.com/watch-footage-of-1000-baleen-whales-in-record-breaking-feeding-frenzy-in-antarctica

more phytoplankton = more krill

Fascinating. Did you read the Ecology paper and associated studies?

A surplus no more? Variation in krill availability impacts reproductive rates of Antarctic baleen whales
First published: 15 January 2023 doi.org/10.1111/gcb.16559

Abstract
The krill surplus hypothesis of unlimited prey resources available for Antarctic predators due to commercial whaling in the 20th century has remained largely untested since the 1970s. Rapid warming of the Western Antarctic Peninsula (WAP) over the past 50?years has resulted in decreased seasonal ice cover and a reduction of krill. The latter is being exacerbated by a commercial krill fishery in the region. Despite this, humpback whale populations have increased but may be at a threshold for growth based on these human-induced changes. Understanding how climate-mediated variation in prey availability influences humpback whale population dynamics is critical for focused management and conservation actions. Using an 8-year dataset (2013-2020), we show that inter-annual humpback whale pregnancy rates, as determined from skin-blubber biopsy samples (n =?616), are positively correlated with krill availability and fluctuations in ice cover in the previous year. Pregnancy rates showed significant inter-annual variability, between 29% and 86%. Our results indicate that krill availability is in fact limiting and affecting reproductive rates, in contrast to the krill surplus hypothesis. This suggests that this population of humpback whales may be at a threshold for population growth due to prey limitations. As a result, continued warming and increased fishing along the WAP, which continue to reduce krill stocks, will likely impact this humpback whale population and other krill predators in the region. Humpback whales are sentinel species of ecosystem health, and changes in pregnancy rates can provide quantifiable signals of the impact of environmental change at the population level. Our findings must be considered paramount in developing new and more restrictive conservation and management plans for the Antarctic marine ecosystem and minimizing the negative impacts of human activities in the region.

Paradoxically, krill abundance in the Atlantic sector of the Southern Ocean has likely declined since the end of commercial whaling (Atkinson et al., 2004)

Climate change also looms large in the Southwest Atlantic, where sustained surface warming has led to ecological shifts over the past several decades (Whitehouse et al., 2008). The whale aggregation and fishing activity reported here was associated with a large spring phytoplankton bloom following an exceptionally warm austral spring and a near-record low in regional sea ice extent.

Whitehouse, et al. 2008.
"Rapid Warming of the Ocean around South Georgia, Southern Ocean, during the 20th Century: Forcings, Characteristics and Implications for Lower Trophic Levels." Deep-Sea Research Part I: Oceanographic Research Papers 55: 1218- 28.
The Southern Ocean is known to have warmed considerably during the second half of the 20th century but there are few locations with data before the 1950s. Thus the long-term warming around South Georgia is substantial-more so than documented previously for the circumpolar warming of the Southern Ocean. Furthermore, the combination of a regional decline in ice extent and strong upstream warming likely explains a significant part of the strong seasonal variation apparent in the warming trend.
Simple abundance and growth rate relationships with our long-term temperature data appear to show declining habitat suitability for E. superba. [Antarctic krill]

Our dataset indicates significant warming throughout the top 100 m of the ocean in the vicinity of South Georgia. Overall, a simple regression of near-surface (0-10 m) temperatures with year indicates an increase of ?1.54 ?C. When spatial and temporal variations are incorporated in the model, this equates to a skewed warming of ?0.9 ?C over the January months and ?2.3 ?C for August (Table 1). These warmings are thus very significant, exceeding even the strong warming of the near-surface circumpolar

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psychomub said..

remery said..
"The World Meteorological Organization reported last week that sea ice is at record low levels around Antarctica, 17 percent below the average for this time of year. Sea ice expands and shrinks with the seasons and the ice around Antarctica is still growing, but at the slowest pace seen since satellite observation began in the 1970s."

..and , if true, how is this a bad thing?

Tha annual whale migration is on full swing on the East Coast with record numbers of whales.

I remember sailing from Sydney to Whitsundays 20 years ago.if we saw a single whale, it was a big deal. Four years ago we did the same trip and often we were surrounded by pods of whales.

Numbers have been increasing 10% a year. How could this be possible if the whale's feeding grounds in Antarctica were in bad shape?

The fact is that there has to be a plentiful supply of krill , plankton and such **** which means the Antarctic environment is in great shape, not dying as your doom and gloom report suggests.

Yep use the numbers of one type of animal as a metric to assess the status of an entire continent, good science

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Rango said..
Warming and increased co2 availability super charges photosynthesis and therefore improves primary productivity meaning more food for all.But I get the concerns and the huge uncertainty of impacts of future warming.Even in Jorgen's video its clearly all very uncertain stuff.

Unfortunately plant germination, growth and breeding are impacted by a wide variety of factors impacted by climate change.

Ask any broad acre farmer about the impact of poorly timed storms on seeding, seed exposure and seedling emergence.

Heat can impact many plants normal growth and breeding cycles, check out Tassie at the moment: it's like they thinks it's spring already and are at risk of frosts etc ruining fruit and seed production for a year.

Changes in geographic range due to temperature change can result in poorer growth and production due to incorrect day length.

And so on. CO2 is vital for plant growth (it's their only source of carbon), but unfortunately many of our production systems won't adapt as fast as we'd like, leaving our food supply at greater risk rather than in prime position

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remery said..

Rango said..
www.livescience.com/watch-footage-of-1000-baleen-whales-in-record-breaking-feeding-frenzy-in-antarctica

more phytoplankton = more krill

Fascinating. Did you read the Ecology paper and associated studies?

A surplus no more? Variation in krill availability impacts reproductive rates of Antarctic baleen whales
First published: 15 January 2023 doi.org/10.1111/gcb.16559

Abstract
The krill surplus hypothesis of unlimited prey resources available for Antarctic predators due to commercial whaling in the 20th century has remained largely untested since the 1970s. Rapid warming of the Western Antarctic Peninsula (WAP) over the past 50?years has resulted in decreased seasonal ice cover and a reduction of krill. The latter is being exacerbated by a commercial krill fishery in the region. Despite this, humpback whale populations have increased but may be at a threshold for growth based on these human-induced changes. Understanding how climate-mediated variation in prey availability influences humpback whale population dynamics is critical for focused management and conservation actions. Using an 8-year dataset (2013-2020), we show that inter-annual humpback whale pregnancy rates, as determined from skin-blubber biopsy samples (n =?616), are positively correlated with krill availability and fluctuations in ice cover in the previous year. Pregnancy rates showed significant inter-annual variability, between 29% and 86%. Our results indicate that krill availability is in fact limiting and affecting reproductive rates, in contrast to the krill surplus hypothesis. This suggests that this population of humpback whales may be at a threshold for population growth due to prey limitations. As a result, continued warming and increased fishing along the WAP, which continue to reduce krill stocks, will likely impact this humpback whale population and other krill predators in the region. Humpback whales are sentinel species of ecosystem health, and changes in pregnancy rates can provide quantifiable signals of the impact of environmental change at the population level. Our findings must be considered paramount in developing new and more restrictive conservation and management plans for the Antarctic marine ecosystem and minimizing the negative impacts of human activities in the region.

Paradoxically, krill abundance in the Atlantic sector of the Southern Ocean has likely declined since the end of commercial whaling (Atkinson et al., 2004)

Climate change also looms large in the Southwest Atlantic, where sustained surface warming has led to ecological shifts over the past several decades (Whitehouse et al., 2008). The whale aggregation and fishing activity reported here was associated with a large spring phytoplankton bloom following an exceptionally warm austral spring and a near-record low in regional sea ice extent.

Whitehouse, et al. 2008.
"Rapid Warming of the Ocean around South Georgia, Southern Ocean, during the 20th Century: Forcings, Characteristics and Implications for Lower Trophic Levels." Deep-Sea Research Part I: Oceanographic Research Papers 55: 1218- 28.
The Southern Ocean is known to have warmed considerably during the second half of the 20th century but there are few locations with data before the 1950s. Thus the long-term warming around South Georgia is substantial-more so than documented previously for the circumpolar warming of the Southern Ocean. Furthermore, the combination of a regional decline in ice extent and strong upstream warming likely explains a significant part of the strong seasonal variation apparent in the warming trend.
Simple abundance and growth rate relationships with our long-term temperature data appear to show declining habitat suitability for E. superba. [Antarctic krill]

Our dataset indicates significant warming throughout the top 100 m of the ocean in the vicinity of South Georgia. Overall, a simple regression of near-surface (0-10 m) temperatures with year indicates an increase of ?1.54 ?C. When spatial and temporal variations are incorporated in the model, this equates to a skewed warming of ?0.9 ?C over the January months and ?2.3 ?C for August (Table 1). These warmings are thus very significant, exceeding even the strong warming of the near-surface circumpolar

"May" be at threshold of population growth.
Did'nt say "is".
More funding please.
Lots of whales is bad ,got it.

I got this quote from Jeff Berwicks latest video he just posted yesterday - 1hour 7 minutes if you want to have a look.



Maybe the people that don't get it aren't supposed to.

Seems to make sense to some degree.

A leopard never changes its spots, right?

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remery said..

Does this count as a meme?

As the video I posted pointed out, the lowest global temperatures in the last 8000+ years were in the late 1800s.

It would be very surprising if the planet hadn't warmed up from that point. It was overdue.