That's a good point. Want to go on a cruise and have a good chance of not dying on the trip, make sure you and everyone else is vaccinated.

Who would allow a cruise ship to dock festering with Covid, but if its full of vaccinated people, why not?

The cruise ship industry is doing it tough right now and there are people that love cruises, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the first groups that mandates it.

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FormulaNova said..
Pugwash (more like Smugwash) said..
blah blah blah

So, you'se have no idea why opal fruits got re-named then ?

Do your own research, morons.

I'm outta here.

Ciao.

Yes, I know exactly why they were renamed and why we did it, and what the ingredients were changed to and why. We cannot talk about this on an open forum though. You think chemtrails are easy to do when there are almost no flights! You would think it makes it easier because there are more planes available, but no, apparently we have to keep it a secret.... ;-(

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Flatty said..
I can pretty much garentee that my work will "force" me to get the vaccine. Everybody on the worksite already needs to be vaccinated for all sorts of sh_t.

I dont consider myself an anti-vaxer but given the choice i wouldnt take vaccines. I cant see how all the chemicals and metals that are in them dont have any long lasting side effects. I know that i am probably wrong about them but still it makes me wonder sometimes.

The great reset does unsettle me a bit to be honest. I think it starts to scare you when you read into to much though. I took some of harrows wisdom and went for a weekend on the water and that fixed me right up.

I wonder if these current vaccines, and there will be quite a few, not just a single version, have much in the way of preservatives? I think the things you talk about, metals and chemicals, are meant as preservatives and these vaccines are going to be used almost straightaway with each dose pretty much accounted for.

Its understandable that people would be cautious about vaccines, as you just don't know what they do. The principle is the same with most of them in getting your immune system to react to what it thinks is a virus, but the way it does it is different.

We don't have the benefit of seeing these developed over years, but they aren't built from scratch either. They are built from existing principles and tailored to suit this virus. I think in at least one case there was a vaccine built in anticipation of a pandemic like this, and all they had to do was to modify it to suit this particular virus. Its not surprising given that we have been hit by pandemics in the past and it was only a matter of time.

The only risk I think to these vaccines is that not enough people will take them and it may result in the virus hanging around in the community as there just aren't enough people immunized.

I don't know if its scientifically correct, and I am sure people will correct me, but to my way of thinking, after killing a huge number of people, these viruses end up with variations that are not as dangerous but spread more easily and we ultimately end up with a virus in the world that doesn't kill many people.... after it originally kills a lot of people when it first comes out. The theory is that a virus is more successful if it can spread itself to more people, and the less people it kills, the more chance it has of spreading. If its still close enough to the original variant, the immune system protects us against it.

This great reset stuff is just BS. Sure it sounds plausible, but conspiracy theories always sound interesting but are often low on fact and logic.

but we don't talk about that stuff here....

I've always found your ability to write off actual occurrences as "conspiracy theories". If you take a gander around the traps you'll find that "The Great Reset" was first muted at the Davos Economic Forum.

You might have to get onto them and tell them to stop conspiring!

Interesting logic actually. Trudeau employs it. If you're critical of it you're a "conspiracy theorist".
If you're supportive then you're not!

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Carantoc said..

FormulaNova said..
Pugwash (more like Smugwash) said..
blah blah blah

So, you'se have no idea why opal fruits got re-named then ?

Do your own research, morons.

I'm outta here.

Ciao.

Naughty carrot top!!

I have no ideas at all. Zip, zilch, diddly...

Don't let your lesser-known European car door bang you on the way out

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If Covid had killed more than ten million Americans this year I'd consider it but they haven't even lost three hundred thousand so why bother. They lose millions every year to other causes that I don't give a s#$t about and their all cause mortality figures are almost unchanged so most of those people were done anyway.

Have a read of this article published by The Johns Hopkins Students news letter. It disappeared from their site but someone had the forethought to archive it.

"Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same."

web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https:/www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

Unfortunately I don't think it will be a choice for some like myself. As a health professional it is already mandatory for us to have the flu vaccine in order for us to practice. I'm assuming this vaccine will be the same.

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Who would allow a cruise ship to dock festering with Covid, but if its full of vaccinated people, why not?

Because no vaccine is 100% effective. Everyone on that cruise ship would need to be hotel quarenteened. I hope that cruise ships make it mandatory to have the covid vaccine because they have proved themselves to be illness breeding grounds.
If i was going overseas then i would have the jab without a doubt.

Haha The Great Reset. Not to worry. Just do what i do and wear your colander everywhere. Sorts everything out in a jiffy.

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cisco said..

Chris6791 said..
It's a choice.

No it is not. It is a control mechanism for the New World Order.

Google "The Great Reset" to learn what the elites have planned for us plebs.

They don't seem very elite if all I have to do is google something to find out their secret plans in 10 seconds. You've never considered that?

Maybe, just maybe, it's all bull****. Want to know more?

WEF chief Schwab, the chief marketer of the Great Reset who recently released a book with that title, has proclaimed that a key element of the "reset" will be the so-called "Fourth Industrial Revolution." And in very public statements, he has explained what this means: merging man with machines. "What the fourth industrial revolution will lead to is a fusion of our physical, digital and biological identity," Schwab explained in a speech to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.Schwab, whose accent and demeanor make him appear to be almost a caricature of some evil cartoon villain, even wrote a book on the subject in 2016 entitled Shaping the Future of The Fourth Industrial Revolution. In it, the globalist schemer explains how looming technological changes will allow governments to "intrude into the hitherto private space of our minds, reading our thoughts and influencing our behavior.""Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies will not stop at becoming part of the physical world around us -- they will become part of us," continued Schwab. "Indeed, some of us already feel that our smartphones have become an extension of ourselves. Today's external devices -- from wearable computers to virtual reality headsets -- will almost certainly become implantable in our bodies and brains."Among those technologies are "active implantable microchips that break the skin barrier of our bodies," Schwab explained. These "implantable devices," Schwab continued, "will likely also help to communicate thoughts normally expressed verbally through a 'built-in' smartphone, and potentially unexpressed thoughts or moods by reading brain waves and other signals."

Evil..... evil...

he's not good at keeping his secret plans secret.

LAURA INGRAHAM (HOST): Doctor, on the issue of the vaccine, tonight, Anthony Fauci, on this network, actually said that 75 percent of Americans are going to have to get vaccinated to reach what they call "herd immunity". Do you -- do you buy that? DR. SUCHARIT BHAKDI

(GUEST): What utter nonsense. I know that Dr. Fauci is a renowned medical scientist and immunologist. But what he says has to be wrong. And this is also what we have taken great lengths to explain in the book. And why -- you know, someone who says this, has not the slightest inkling of the basics of immunology. And this is very, very surprising for someone of Dr. Fauci's standing. And I would dare to defy him anywhere in the world at any time. But I cannot do this in 2 minutes.

INGRAHAM: Well, so you believe that the COVID vaccine is not necessary?

BHAKDI: I think it's downright dangerous. And I warn you, if you go along these lines, you are going to go to your doom. And it's so, so unnecessary.

Didn't we have someone here before that would post lots of stuff from people but not show where the quotes came from or their own personal opinion?

On a completely different note, how is PM33 going? Back to sailing this season? I hope he is as it looks like a good season so far.

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LAURA INGRAHAM (HOST): Doctor, on the issue of the vaccine, tonight, Anthony Fauci, on this network, actually said that 75 percent of Americans are going to have to get vaccinated to reach what they call "herd immunity". Do you -- do you buy that? DR. SUCHARIT BHAKDI

(GUEST): What utter nonsense. I know that Dr. Fauci is a renowned medical scientist and immunologist. But what he says has to be wrong. And this is also what we have taken great lengths to explain in the book. And why -- you know, someone who says this, has not the slightest inkling of the basics of immunology. And this is very, very surprising for someone of Dr. Fauci's standing. And I would dare to defy him anywhere in the world at any time. But I cannot do this in 2 minutes.

INGRAHAM: Well, so you believe that the COVID vaccine is not necessary?

BHAKDI: I think it's downright dangerous. And I warn you, if you go along these lines, you are going to go to your doom. And it's so, so unnecessary.

Random dude rejected by mainstream science says Dr Fauci is wrong, newsflash!

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Gazuki said..
Unfortunately I don't think it will be a choice for some like myself. As a health professional it is already mandatory for us to have the flu vaccine in order for us to practice. I'm assuming this vaccine will be the same.

And that's unfortunate because...you won't get coronavirus?

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CH3MTR4IL5 said..

hashbrown said..
... Fauci [..] said that 75 percent of Americans are going to have to get vaccinated to reach what they call "herd immunity".

Random dude rejected by mainstream science says Dr Fauci is wrong, newsflash!

"Herd immunity" is not defined that way, so if Fauci said that then he is indeed wrong.

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Qapla'!

Cisco is not going to be happy......

I'm astounded but not surprised; A fairly reliable litmus test to identify morons is Facebook/Instagram etc. membership, participation and reposting of false information. Memberships stand at about 3 billion globally which works out at about 40% of the world's population. Cause for concern when the moron population is approaching half the planet's population.

The unfounded, drivel being spouted by some in the posts above opposing CV vaccination beggars belief and provide further evidence the moron population is high.

Consider for just for a moment all the deadly petulence that has been eradicated or controlled with vaccines; Polio,
Small Pox, Diptheria, Tuberculosis, Hooping Cough, Malaria, Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox, Ebola, HIV, HPV,Influenza but to name a few. What a great place Planet Earth would be if morons and witch doctors had their way and convinced everyone they would grow an ear on your chin or something equally ridiculous would occur if administered vaccines. Yes reactions occur in minute pecentages which are far outweighed by the benefit.


It seems the fact that extensive scientific trials have been conducted seems to have been conviently omitted to bolster spurious argument.
Yes vaccine development has been accelerated. So have other technologies. Science gets better and faster as time goes on. The most eminent scientists in immunology on earth have been developing vaccines in collaboration like we have never seen in history. That is why the fast delivery has been possible. Kim Kardashian or Kylie Jenna on Insta won't have that fact. One actually has to read multiple reliably sourced articles and scientific journals in order to gain an informed opinion.
To give any of the ill informed, paranoid, inane, simplistic utter nonsense suggested above oxygen is to join the ranks
of the unhinged morons.
The scientific fact is that vaccines save lives. And so will the CV vaccine.
Proven scientific fact vs fallacious, inflammatory, paranoid drivel devoid of evidence deceminated via the likes of FB.
The choice is obvious....maybe not if you're a moron.

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FormulaNova said..
Didn't we have someone here before that would post lots of stuff from people but not show where the quotes came from or their own personal opinion?

On a completely different note, how is PM33 going? Back to sailing this season? I hope he is as it looks like a good season so far.

I heard that he has been enjoying hashbrowns lately.

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Relic said..

I'm astounded but not surprised; A fairly reliable litmus test to identify morons is Facebook/Instagram etc. membership, participation and reposting of false information. Memberships stand at about 3 billion globally which works out at about 40% of the world's population. Cause for concern when the moron population is approaching half the planet's population.

The unfounded, drivel being spouted by some in the posts above opposing CV vaccination beggars belief and provide further evidence the moron population is high.

Consider for just for a moment all the deadly petulence that has been eradicated or controlled with vaccines; Polio,
Small Pox, Diptheria, Tuberculosis, Hooping Cough, Malaria, Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox, Ebola, HIV, HPV,Influenza but to name a few. What a great place Planet Earth would be if morons and witch doctors had their way and convinced everyone they would grow an ear on your chin or something equally ridiculous would occur if administered vaccines. Yes reactions occur in minute pecentages which are far outweighed by the benefit.


It seems the fact that extensive scientific trials have been conducted seems to have been conviently omitted to bolster spurious argument.
Yes vaccine development has been accelerated. So have other technologies. Science gets better and faster as time goes on. The most eminent scientists in immunology on earth have been developing vaccines in collaboration like we have never seen in history. That is why the fast delivery has been possible. Kim Kardashian or Kylie Jenna on Insta won't have that fact. One actually has to read multiple reliably sourced articles and scientific journals in order to gain an informed opinion.
To give any of the ill informed, paranoid, inane, simplistic utter nonsense suggested above oxygen is to join the ranks
of the unhinged morons.
The scientific fact is that vaccines save lives. And so will the CV vaccine.
Proven scientific fact vs fallacious, inflammatory, paranoid drivel devoid of evidence deceminated via the likes of FB.
The choice is obvious....maybe not if you're a moron.

yep and if you have watched the social Dilemma you would know the very original architects of these platforms have identified the coding was about one thing and one thing only...monetising our attention. They themselves are scared sh1tless of what they have created. We think the Covid virus and its exponential infection vector is THE problem...the bias confirmation through these coded AI's is a far greater problem and it's only going to get worse. The wealth of the big 4 tech companies is not only vast, its the greatest wealth transfer created in human history. Makes the privatisation of colonial powers shipping, the railways with the industrial revolution, the post war explosion of american industrial and economic power look like tiny blips in the sand. What's worse, is at least these other industries create production.

All these monolithic tech companies do is rob our own attention and make us pay for it.

ah those clever clever foxes, have somehow turned the so called freedom of information flow into complete control of wealth transfer to themselves. You gotta' hand it to elites, only they know how stupid most the population is.

The U.K Government has authorized up to 120K in compensation to anyone that is 60 percent or more disabled by the vaccine.

The jab has been added to the Vaccine Damage Payments Scheme

You would think it should be the pharma companies paying and not the taxpayer.

During testing i read of numerous people suffering headaches,dizziness etc but then in another article they tell you the vaccine is completely safe. Who knows what to think anymore.

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hashbrown said..
The U.K Government has authorized up to 120K in compensation to anyone that is 60 percent or more disabled by the vaccine.

The jab has been added to the Vaccine Damage Payments Scheme

You would think it should be the pharma companies paying and not the taxpayer.

During testing i read of numerous people suffering headaches,dizziness etc but then in another article they tell you the vaccine is completely safe. Who knows what to think anymore.

Doesn't know what to think in a world full of information. I believe it's called confusion.

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During testing i read of numerous people suffering headaches,dizziness etc but then in another article they tell you the vaccine is completely safe. Who knows what to think anymore.

One of the issues with vaccines, and I think we see it with the Flu vaccine, is that the body sees it as a virus and tries to defend against it... resulting in an increase in temperature to kill it off (fever) and other reactions to try and mitigate its effects.

It isn't an active virus, but mimics one, so the body's reactions can be similar, but are short lived. I am not sure there is a way to avoid this.

We won't be getting it staright away, they'll be testing on nations where they make it first.
We'll have pleny of warning about which testicle will fall off.

Good TV series to view, Utopia (British show)

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Flatty said..
I heard that he has been enjoying hashbrowns lately.

We used to call them hash brownies.

Same same I guess. Too many of the good quality ones and you got all paranoid for a while.

The safety tests that have been done cannot exclude long term complications in the way that previous vaccine safety testing have, because, by definition, that can only be done with tests that actually take place over a long term.

Just read in Wales that the NHS has approved a vaccination card that will help to remind you of when to take your second shot and has information printed on the card where you can report side effects.

And the U.K Health Minister added the cards can help the hospitality industry.

Presumably you will not be allowed to enter a bar or restaurant without showing proof of your vaccination

I guess employment and welfare payments are next up.

Honestly this has gone way too far.

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hashbrown said..
The U.K Government has authorized up to 120K in compensation to anyone that is 60 percent or more disabled by the vaccine.

The jab has been added to the Vaccine Damage Payments Scheme

You would think it should be the pharma companies paying and not the taxpayer.

During testing i read of numerous people suffering headaches,dizziness etc but then in another article they tell you the vaccine is completely safe. Who knows what to think anymore.

Numerous people suffer headaches dizziness from consuming Swan Brewery products too.

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Relic said..

hashbrown said..
The U.K Government has authorized up to 120K in compensation to anyone that is 60 percent or more disabled by the vaccine.

The jab has been added to the Vaccine Damage Payments Scheme

You would think it should be the pharma companies paying and not the taxpayer.

During testing i read of numerous people suffering headaches,dizziness etc but then in another article they tell you the vaccine is completely safe. Who knows what to think anymore.

Numerous people suffer headaches dizziness from consuming Swan Brewery products too.