Maybe if we cull all the over 50's now, we wont have to worry about corona ?? The death rate from corona will be 98% less if the world had no one over 50.
But it would mean the end to windsurfing ( only a few months earlier than its natural death anyways, meh ) and the x-heavy weather users that now reside in this thread

Seems well worth the sacrifice for our future generation to carry on without hearing the "back in my day" whining, conspiracy style arguments and first world dramas.

So lets all vote to cull the over 50's now,
to save Australia's economy, re-open the borders, get live gigs back and live once again.
Surely if the over 50's care about the future generations they will be happy to comply??

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lotofwind said..
Maybe if we cull all the over 50's now, we wont have to worry about corona ??

But...the "British" corona is apparently hammering the younger population - are you suggesting that we cull them too?

I agree, Over 50's and the British need to be culled, ok, sounds good. Hopefully there will be a Chinese strain................oh,,wait


But its ok, the British strain only affects the British, thats why its called the "British Strain" .......ddderrrr.

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lotofwind said..

Seems well worth the sacrifice for our future generation to carry on without hearing the "back in my day" whining, conspiracy style arguments and first world dramas.

Two minutes after all the 50+ are dead, you would be whining about 'how a few years ago all the boomers took your houses' and then you would be going on about 'how all the boomers ruined your future', and then you will be telling anyone that listens 'we can't do anything as the old people ruined it all'.

You would have nothing to talk about. You wouldn't even be able to stalk Mark_aus again.

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Flatty said..

The problem is it would go against human rights to make the vaccine mandatory and we would end up with riots and looters.

On the other side it takes a majority of people to be immunised for it to work. If there was an easy solution the pollies would or used it by now so it is up to us to make the vaccine effective. So in short we need to get as many people vaccinated without making it legally mandatory ( i am sure you guys are all over this and i am stating the obvious i just dont want to send the wrong message here).

I reckon the current Australian approach to vaccination is pretty good - you don't have to do it, but there are a lot of incentives to do so (free jabs, family tax benefits, public schooling/daycare requirement). It seems like a much better approach to provide positive incentive to do it and then people can opt out, rather than vice versa.

If your medicare levy reduced by 1% if you were fully vaccinated I am sure plenty of people would be jumping to do it (I mean they do anyway, its a false controversy, even in the US 95% of parents vaccinate their children for MMR), but if you feel strongly about it you can opt out - similar to private health insurance.

That said, I can see why people would be hesitant on the covid vaccine just based on the speed of its development. It was only a couple of years ago that the mechanism that caused birth defects from thalidomide was understood after 60 years. A new vaccine developed in under a year is fairly intimidating and there won't be a lot of evidence of its relative safety (on a large scale) until it has been in widespread use for a while.

Fortunately, here in WA there is an easy solution, we do not care for your so-called "human rights" and can literally hold you down and force you to have it, including ripping off your pants to jab you in the arse. Come on over, the water's warm!

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-17/fact-check-wa-emergency-powers-vaccination-covid-19/12349842

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FormulaNova said..

lotofwind said..

Seems well worth the sacrifice for our future generation to carry on without hearing the "back in my day" whining, conspiracy style arguments and first world dramas.

Two minutes after all the 50+ are dead, you would be whining about 'how a few years ago all the boomers took your houses' and then you would be going on about 'how all the boomers ruined your future', and then you will be telling anyone that listens 'we can't do anything as the old people ruined it all'.

You would have nothing to talk about. You wouldn't even be able to stalk Mark_aus again.

Sounds good to me Our better future generation will get all your houses. Not that we care about that much, it seems more of the boomer generation that care about having many houses as a sign of how good they are??
And I think you are living in the past, I havent said anything to markie for a couple of years now since his peers asked me to stop as it was upsetting him.
The future of our economy is a 50 and over cull. Problem solved. No need to thank me for saving our future generations.

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lotofwind said..

FormulaNova said..

lotofwind said..

Seems well worth the sacrifice for our future generation to carry on without hearing the "back in my day" whining, conspiracy style arguments and first world dramas.

Two minutes after all the 50+ are dead, you would be whining about 'how a few years ago all the boomers took your houses' and then you would be going on about 'how all the boomers ruined your future', and then you will be telling anyone that listens 'we can't do anything as the old people ruined it all'.

You would have nothing to talk about. You wouldn't even be able to stalk Mark_aus again.

Sounds good to me Our better future generation will get all your houses. Not that we care about that much, it seems more of the boomer generation that care about having many houses as a sign of how good they are??
And I think you are living in the past, I havent said anything to markie for a couple of years now since his peers asked me to stop as it was upsetting him.
The future of our economy is a 50 and over cull. Problem solved. No need to thank me for saving our future generations.

You will get the houses from the 50 and overs, because you are probably still living in them. "Mum, Dad, where have you gone? Who is going to make my breakfast?"

If you get rid of the over 50s it will just be more whinging about 'those over 30s... they bought all the good houses'.

How dare you.

How dare any of you make a decision of whether to be inoculated or not without first listening to the experts.

What does Greta say ?

Didnt Greta get married to the legend Egg Boy.? And Corey Worthington organized the reception.

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lotofwind said..
Didnt Greta get married to the legend Egg Boy.? And Corey Worthington organized the reception.

Match made in heaven

I just need to wait for some memes to educate me about the least irritive molecular weight of polyethylene glycol.

In answer to the original posters question....

Yes, I will definitely get vaccinated for Covid19

It's a vaccine (yes I know there are several that are likely to be available here in Australia this year) that has been proven (in a double blind randomised trial no less) to be extremely effective at preventing infection, or at the very least, significantly reducing the affects/seriousness of being infected with this potentially fatal disease.

People might claim that it's development was rushed, but considering that many labs and companies had already been working on Corona virus vaccines and the near unlimited amounts of cash and resources that were thrown into the RnD this year, it actually seems entirely reasonable to develop a vaccine ready for release less than 10 months after the virus genome was sequenced.

In regards to the conspiracy theories around the vaccine (I'll limit myself to vaccine conspiracies, there's much the same plus more about the virus itself ), they mostly seem to stem from a lack of trust in the very same processes that were used to develop the technologies currently enabling me to post this. That's weird, right?

"Oooooh new technology thing, but I don't understand it so it must be bad (or even a personal attack on me and my values), quick I must post meme on the internet so that the entire world can see how threatening and evil this technology is"
Seems contradictory to believe this technology is proof that scientists and the government have it in for us while arguing about it via the internet


? It hasn't been tested!
- Actually they all have/are in a very rigorous and transparent process, (although some places like Russia, where Vlad was so confident in the science that he started vaccinating before phase three trials were complete, may have jumped a the gun a little)

? It's part of the great reset plan! (I'm not sure on this one but I think people are scared that it's a plan to make them poorer?)
- If it's a plan to reset the worlds economies and start us all off on a level playing field (where we might be as poor as third wold nations? Don't quote me, happy to have this fear explained to me), I don't see why you would be scared of a vaccine that will help preserve the status quo.

? Because governments are willing to pay out for damages/injury caused by vaccines, the admit that it is dangerous but they still force it on us! Evil!
- This isn't an admission that vaccines frequently cause long term horrific injury, but a way of compensating the VERY few people who do have legitimate adverse reactions (like anaphylaxis or they hurt themselves when they fainted after the jab)

? There's long list of potential side effects so it must very risky to get it, and their claims that it is safe are complete BS so everyone involved with developing and supporting it must be lying through their teeth.
? As I understand it, the side effects listed are all the effects the trip participants experienced after receiving the vaccine. This include a lot of health and physical issues that they pick up during day to day life, but shouldn't be blamed on the vaccine (I mean c'mon, who in their right mind believes a vaccine caused a trial participant to get hit by a car?)

? It's just another Big Pharma Scam!
- Actually it is a very effective preventive measure against a potentially fatal disease, one or two injections can drastically reduce your chances of contracting a disease that results in hospitalisation in more than 10% of cases and at least 8% end up with major long term organ damage. So far any other preventive measure or treatment requires significantly greater investment and longer usage of that treatment.

? I don't need a vaccine, I'm not at risk
- Bully for you, but there is a non-zero chance that you actually are. If you are one of those people that would experience only mild symptoms if infected, well that's great news for you, but do spare thought to those around you who aren't so lucky. Your vaccine provided immunity and encouragement of others to do the same will be a step closer to keeping your granny/sickly wheezing nephew/immunocompromised brother/distantly related "wellness influencer" safe.

? There are no side effects so why are they so worried about people with a history of allergies? What else are they hiding?
- It's standard practice in Australia for any who has been vaccinated for anything to be asked to sit in the waiting room so they can be observed for 15 minutes, I used to think this was so they could pick people up off the floor after they fainted. But keeping them on hand in the rare event of allergic reaction, their in good place to be treated.
In case you're wondering, after administering 1.8 million doses in the USA, there were less than 25 allergic reactions requiring treatment. I'm not great with statistics but I'm pretty sure if you handed out peanuts to a million people there would be reactions in the thousands.

?50% of medical professionals are refusing to be vaccinated.
- Wow, talk about taking a headline and running with it. ONE! I repeat ONE hospital in the USA reported that up to half its nursing staff declined to be vaccinated. And really if you take in to account the number of hospital staff world wide who subscribe to a religious belief that it's against their gods will to accept anything foreign into their bodies, I'm surprised that number isn't higher.

? It's a ploy to allow Bill Gates to get a tracking device in to you
- Nope, his data collectors already get much more reliable information about you from whatever device you're reading this on.

Meh, that's all I have time for tonight.

Good, the truth comes to light

...time for a fart joke for all you a-holes that just got burnt

Like many Sundays, I had abhorrent rhino farts from drinking the night before. I told her the next time I had to let one rip she could hold the lighter to my fart box. No more than 5 minutes later I had one in the chamber ready to let loose. I did my best to hold it in while my girlfriend sprung up from the couch to find the lighter. With both of us giggling, I assumed the position - sitting down with my arms holding under my legs, pulling them back.

She lit the flame about 6 inches from my butt and I let a long, loud, slightly wet fart ring out. I heard the swoosh as the gas hit the flame and went up in a blue and orange fireball. I caught a glimpse of it and my girlfriend's look of amazement. Honestly I had no idea the flame would be so impressive.

Here's where it starts to go wrong.

The fart lasted for about 2 seconds, and when it stopped, my sphincter retracted and sucked the gas (and flame) back towards my asshole. Since I was wearing gym shorts, some of fire came back through the small holes and did burned the **** out of my asshole.

I actually felt the fireball get pulled into my ass and then **** out once the stream of gas got cut off. This, as you might imagine, was quite painful. Additionally, it added a wonderful, burned-asshole-hair smell to the already terrible stench of fire farts.

At this point, I'm clutching my asshole and waddling towards the bathroom to grab a baby wipe and survey the damage while my girlfriend is rolling on the floor laughing. When she caught her breath she came into the bathroom and asked how I was. I put my dignity aside, bent over, spread my cheeks and took my punishment.

"Our better future generation will get all your houses. " - Until such a time comes when the magic light emitting device installed in the centre of the protect me from the elements barrier above your head, fail to produce light. Or the turn thingy that supplies life giving water fails, or the hummy thing that blows warming or cooling air across your pale and pimply body depending upon the seasons fails and you find yourself shivering in front of your games console. Then, will you throw you hands in the air and turn your tearful gaze to the heavens and lament the day you put the 'boomers to the sword', for they knew the magic involved and could have used their magic to make these things work.......

I love it when someone uses the term "boomers" as an insult it makes me laugh out loud

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D3 said..
In answer to the original posters question....

Yes, I will definitely get vaccinated for Covid19

It's a vaccine (yes I know there are several that are likely to be available here in Australia this year) that has been proven (in a double blind randomised trial no less) to be extremely effective at preventing infection, or at the very least, significantly reducing the affects/seriousness of being infected with this potentially fatal disease.

People might claim that it's development was rushed, but considering that many labs and companies had already been working on Corona virus vaccines and the near unlimited amounts of cash and resources that were thrown into the RnD this year, it actually seems entirely reasonable to develop a vaccine ready for release less than 10 months after the virus genome was sequenced.

In regards to the conspiracy theories around the vaccine (I'll limit myself to vaccine conspiracies, there's much the same plus more about the virus itself ), they mostly seem to stem from a lack of trust in the very same processes that were used to develop the technologies currently enabling me to post this. That's weird, right?

"Oooooh new technology thing, but I don't understand it so it must be bad (or even a personal attack on me and my values), quick I must post meme on the internet so that the entire world can see how threatening and evil this technology is"
Seems contradictory to believe this technology is proof that scientists and the government have it in for us while arguing about it via the internet


? It hasn't been tested!
- Actually they all have/are in a very rigorous and transparent process, (although some places like Russia, where Vlad was so confident in the science that he started vaccinating before phase three trials were complete, may have jumped a the gun a little)

? It's part of the great reset plan! (I'm not sure on this one but I think people are scared that it's a plan to make them poorer?)
- If it's a plan to reset the worlds economies and start us all off on a level playing field (where we might be as poor as third wold nations? Don't quote me, happy to have this fear explained to me), I don't see why you would be scared of a vaccine that will help preserve the status quo.

? Because governments are willing to pay out for damages/injury caused by vaccines, the admit that it is dangerous but they still force it on us! Evil!
- This isn't an admission that vaccines frequently cause long term horrific injury, but a way of compensating the VERY few people who do have legitimate adverse reactions (like anaphylaxis or they hurt themselves when they fainted after the jab)

? There's long list of potential side effects so it must very risky to get it, and their claims that it is safe are complete BS so everyone involved with developing and supporting it must be lying through their teeth.
? As I understand it, the side effects listed are all the effects the trip participants experienced after receiving the vaccine. This include a lot of health and physical issues that they pick up during day to day life, but shouldn't be blamed on the vaccine (I mean c'mon, who in their right mind believes a vaccine caused a trial participant to get hit by a car?)

? It's just another Big Pharma Scam!
- Actually it is a very effective preventive measure against a potentially fatal disease, one or two injections can drastically reduce your chances of contracting a disease that results in hospitalisation in more than 10% of cases and at least 8% end up with major long term organ damage. So far any other preventive measure or treatment requires significantly greater investment and longer usage of that treatment.

? I don't need a vaccine, I'm not at risk
- Bully for you, but there is a non-zero chance that you actually are. If you are one of those people that would experience only mild symptoms if infected, well that's great news for you, but do spare thought to those around you who aren't so lucky. Your vaccine provided immunity and encouragement of others to do the same will be a step closer to keeping your granny/sickly wheezing nephew/immunocompromised brother/distantly related "wellness influencer" safe.

? There are no side effects so why are they so worried about people with a history of allergies? What else are they hiding?
- It's standard practice in Australia for any who has been vaccinated for anything to be asked to sit in the waiting room so they can be observed for 15 minutes, I used to think this was so they could pick people up off the floor after they fainted. But keeping them on hand in the rare event of allergic reaction, their in good place to be treated.
In case you're wondering, after administering 1.8 million doses in the USA, there were less than 25 allergic reactions requiring treatment. I'm not great with statistics but I'm pretty sure if you handed out peanuts to a million people there would be reactions in the thousands.

?50% of medical professionals are refusing to be vaccinated.
- Wow, talk about taking a headline and running with it. ONE! I repeat ONE hospital in the USA reported that up to half its nursing staff declined to be vaccinated. And really if you take in to account the number of hospital staff world wide who subscribe to a religious belief that it's against their gods will to accept anything foreign into their bodies, I'm surprised that number isn't higher.

? It's a ploy to allow Bill Gates to get a tracking device in to you
- Nope, his data collectors already get much more reliable information about you from whatever device you're reading this on.

Meh, that's all I have time for tonight.

what gassy waffle
all that typing and not one single source
everything is just your opinion
no better than a meme

^^ given the topic, it's a wonderful turn of circumstance we have theDoctor on board. Maybe there's a meme in there somewhere?

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theDoctor said..

D3 said..
In answer to the original posters question....

Yes, I will definitely get vaccinated for Covid19

It's a vaccine (yes I know there are several that are likely to be available here in Australia this year) that has been proven (in a double blind randomised trial no less) to be extremely effective at preventing infection, or at the very least, significantly reducing the affects/seriousness of being infected with this potentially fatal disease.

People might claim that it's development was rushed, but considering that many labs and companies had already been working on Corona virus vaccines and the near unlimited amounts of cash and resources that were thrown into the RnD this year, it actually seems entirely reasonable to develop a vaccine ready for release less than 10 months after the virus genome was sequenced.

In regards to the conspiracy theories around the vaccine (I'll limit myself to vaccine conspiracies, there's much the same plus more about the virus itself ), they mostly seem to stem from a lack of trust in the very same processes that were used to develop the technologies currently enabling me to post this. That's weird, right?

"Oooooh new technology thing, but I don't understand it so it must be bad (or even a personal attack on me and my values), quick I must post meme on the internet so that the entire world can see how threatening and evil this technology is"
Seems contradictory to believe this technology is proof that scientists and the government have it in for us while arguing about it via the internet


? It hasn't been tested!
- Actually they all have/are in a very rigorous and transparent process, (although some places like Russia, where Vlad was so confident in the science that he started vaccinating before phase three trials were complete, may have jumped a the gun a little)

? It's part of the great reset plan! (I'm not sure on this one but I think people are scared that it's a plan to make them poorer?)
- If it's a plan to reset the worlds economies and start us all off on a level playing field (where we might be as poor as third wold nations? Don't quote me, happy to have this fear explained to me), I don't see why you would be scared of a vaccine that will help preserve the status quo.

? Because governments are willing to pay out for damages/injury caused by vaccines, the admit that it is dangerous but they still force it on us! Evil!
- This isn't an admission that vaccines frequently cause long term horrific injury, but a way of compensating the VERY few people who do have legitimate adverse reactions (like anaphylaxis or they hurt themselves when they fainted after the jab)

? There's long list of potential side effects so it must very risky to get it, and their claims that it is safe are complete BS so everyone involved with developing and supporting it must be lying through their teeth.
? As I understand it, the side effects listed are all the effects the trip participants experienced after receiving the vaccine. This include a lot of health and physical issues that they pick up during day to day life, but shouldn't be blamed on the vaccine (I mean c'mon, who in their right mind believes a vaccine caused a trial participant to get hit by a car?)

? It's just another Big Pharma Scam!
- Actually it is a very effective preventive measure against a potentially fatal disease, one or two injections can drastically reduce your chances of contracting a disease that results in hospitalisation in more than 10% of cases and at least 8% end up with major long term organ damage. So far any other preventive measure or treatment requires significantly greater investment and longer usage of that treatment.

? I don't need a vaccine, I'm not at risk
- Bully for you, but there is a non-zero chance that you actually are. If you are one of those people that would experience only mild symptoms if infected, well that's great news for you, but do spare thought to those around you who aren't so lucky. Your vaccine provided immunity and encouragement of others to do the same will be a step closer to keeping your granny/sickly wheezing nephew/immunocompromised brother/distantly related "wellness influencer" safe.

? There are no side effects so why are they so worried about people with a history of allergies? What else are they hiding?
- It's standard practice in Australia for any who has been vaccinated for anything to be asked to sit in the waiting room so they can be observed for 15 minutes, I used to think this was so they could pick people up off the floor after they fainted. But keeping them on hand in the rare event of allergic reaction, their in good place to be treated.
In case you're wondering, after administering 1.8 million doses in the USA, there were less than 25 allergic reactions requiring treatment. I'm not great with statistics but I'm pretty sure if you handed out peanuts to a million people there would be reactions in the thousands.

?50% of medical professionals are refusing to be vaccinated.
- Wow, talk about taking a headline and running with it. ONE! I repeat ONE hospital in the USA reported that up to half its nursing staff declined to be vaccinated. And really if you take in to account the number of hospital staff world wide who subscribe to a religious belief that it's against their gods will to accept anything foreign into their bodies, I'm surprised that number isn't higher.

? It's a ploy to allow Bill Gates to get a tracking device in to you
- Nope, his data collectors already get much more reliable information about you from whatever device you're reading this on.

Meh, that's all I have time for tonight.

what gassy waffle
all that typing and not one single source
everything is just your opinion
no better than a meme

Says the bloke who posts memes only...what a joke

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lotofwind said..
Maybe if we cull all the over 50's now, we wont have to worry about corona ?? The death rate from corona will be 98% less if the world had no one over 50.
But it would mean the end to windsurfing ( only a few months earlier than its natural death anyways, meh ) and the x-heavy weather users that now reside in this thread

Seems well worth the sacrifice for our future generation to carry on without hearing the "back in my day" whining, conspiracy style arguments and first world dramas.

So lets all vote to cull the over 50's now,
to save Australia's economy, re-open the borders, get live gigs back and live once again.
Surely if the over 50's care about the future generations they will be happy to comply??

In reality it will only kill the unhealthiest of the over 50's

So unfortunately windsurfers will still exist, albeit in smaller colonies.

We need a virus that targets jet ski riders.

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chrispy said..

theDoctor said..

D3 said..
In answer to the original posters question....

Yes, I will definitely get vaccinated for Covid19

It's a vaccine (yes I know there are several that are likely to be available here in Australia this year) that has been proven (in a double blind randomised trial no less) to be extremely effective at preventing infection, or at the very least, significantly reducing the affects/seriousness of being infected with this potentially fatal disease.

People might claim that it's development was rushed, but considering that many labs and companies had already been working on Corona virus vaccines and the near unlimited amounts of cash and resources that were thrown into the RnD this year, it actually seems entirely reasonable to develop a vaccine ready for release less than 10 months after the virus genome was sequenced.

In regards to the conspiracy theories around the vaccine (I'll limit myself to vaccine conspiracies, there's much the same plus more about the virus itself ), they mostly seem to stem from a lack of trust in the very same processes that were used to develop the technologies currently enabling me to post this. That's weird, right?

"Oooooh new technology thing, but I don't understand it so it must be bad (or even a personal attack on me and my values), quick I must post meme on the internet so that the entire world can see how threatening and evil this technology is"
Seems contradictory to believe this technology is proof that scientists and the government have it in for us while arguing about it via the internet


? It hasn't been tested!
- Actually they all have/are in a very rigorous and transparent process, (although some places like Russia, where Vlad was so confident in the science that he started vaccinating before phase three trials were complete, may have jumped a the gun a little)

? It's part of the great reset plan! (I'm not sure on this one but I think people are scared that it's a plan to make them poorer?)
- If it's a plan to reset the worlds economies and start us all off on a level playing field (where we might be as poor as third wold nations? Don't quote me, happy to have this fear explained to me), I don't see why you would be scared of a vaccine that will help preserve the status quo.

? Because governments are willing to pay out for damages/injury caused by vaccines, the admit that it is dangerous but they still force it on us! Evil!
- This isn't an admission that vaccines frequently cause long term horrific injury, but a way of compensating the VERY few people who do have legitimate adverse reactions (like anaphylaxis or they hurt themselves when they fainted after the jab)

? There's long list of potential side effects so it must very risky to get it, and their claims that it is safe are complete BS so everyone involved with developing and supporting it must be lying through their teeth.
? As I understand it, the side effects listed are all the effects the trip participants experienced after receiving the vaccine. This include a lot of health and physical issues that they pick up during day to day life, but shouldn't be blamed on the vaccine (I mean c'mon, who in their right mind believes a vaccine caused a trial participant to get hit by a car?)

? It's just another Big Pharma Scam!
- Actually it is a very effective preventive measure against a potentially fatal disease, one or two injections can drastically reduce your chances of contracting a disease that results in hospitalisation in more than 10% of cases and at least 8% end up with major long term organ damage. So far any other preventive measure or treatment requires significantly greater investment and longer usage of that treatment.

? I don't need a vaccine, I'm not at risk
- Bully for you, but there is a non-zero chance that you actually are. If you are one of those people that would experience only mild symptoms if infected, well that's great news for you, but do spare thought to those around you who aren't so lucky. Your vaccine provided immunity and encouragement of others to do the same will be a step closer to keeping your granny/sickly wheezing nephew/immunocompromised brother/distantly related "wellness influencer" safe.

? There are no side effects so why are they so worried about people with a history of allergies? What else are they hiding?
- It's standard practice in Australia for any who has been vaccinated for anything to be asked to sit in the waiting room so they can be observed for 15 minutes, I used to think this was so they could pick people up off the floor after they fainted. But keeping them on hand in the rare event of allergic reaction, their in good place to be treated.
In case you're wondering, after administering 1.8 million doses in the USA, there were less than 25 allergic reactions requiring treatment. I'm not great with statistics but I'm pretty sure if you handed out peanuts to a million people there would be reactions in the thousands.

?50% of medical professionals are refusing to be vaccinated.
- Wow, talk about taking a headline and running with it. ONE! I repeat ONE hospital in the USA reported that up to half its nursing staff declined to be vaccinated. And really if you take in to account the number of hospital staff world wide who subscribe to a religious belief that it's against their gods will to accept anything foreign into their bodies, I'm surprised that number isn't higher.

? It's a ploy to allow Bill Gates to get a tracking device in to you
- Nope, his data collectors already get much more reliable information about you from whatever device you're reading this on.

Meh, that's all I have time for tonight.

what gassy waffle
all that typing and not one single source
everything is just your opinion
no better than a meme

Says the bloke who posts memes only...what a joke

im just saying
if you're going to call foul on someone just posting memes
then you better come correct with referenced evidence, or the gas you're emitting has the same smell you're complaining about.

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theDoctor said..

chrispy said..

theDoctor said..

D3 said..
In answer to the original posters question....

Yes, I will definitely get vaccinated for Covid19

It's a vaccine (yes I know there are several that are likely to be available here in Australia this year) that has been proven (in a double blind randomised trial no less) to be extremely effective at preventing infection, or at the very least, significantly reducing the affects/seriousness of being infected with this potentially fatal disease.

People might claim that it's development was rushed, but considering that many labs and companies had already been working on Corona virus vaccines and the near unlimited amounts of cash and resources that were thrown into the RnD this year, it actually seems entirely reasonable to develop a vaccine ready for release less than 10 months after the virus genome was sequenced.

In regards to the conspiracy theories around the vaccine (I'll limit myself to vaccine conspiracies, there's much the same plus more about the virus itself ), they mostly seem to stem from a lack of trust in the very same processes that were used to develop the technologies currently enabling me to post this. That's weird, right?

"Oooooh new technology thing, but I don't understand it so it must be bad (or even a personal attack on me and my values), quick I must post meme on the internet so that the entire world can see how threatening and evil this technology is"
Seems contradictory to believe this technology is proof that scientists and the government have it in for us while arguing about it via the internet


? It hasn't been tested!
- Actually they all have/are in a very rigorous and transparent process, (although some places like Russia, where Vlad was so confident in the science that he started vaccinating before phase three trials were complete, may have jumped a the gun a little)

? It's part of the great reset plan! (I'm not sure on this one but I think people are scared that it's a plan to make them poorer?)
- If it's a plan to reset the worlds economies and start us all off on a level playing field (where we might be as poor as third wold nations? Don't quote me, happy to have this fear explained to me), I don't see why you would be scared of a vaccine that will help preserve the status quo.

? Because governments are willing to pay out for damages/injury caused by vaccines, the admit that it is dangerous but they still force it on us! Evil!
- This isn't an admission that vaccines frequently cause long term horrific injury, but a way of compensating the VERY few people who do have legitimate adverse reactions (like anaphylaxis or they hurt themselves when they fainted after the jab)

? There's long list of potential side effects so it must very risky to get it, and their claims that it is safe are complete BS so everyone involved with developing and supporting it must be lying through their teeth.
? As I understand it, the side effects listed are all the effects the trip participants experienced after receiving the vaccine. This include a lot of health and physical issues that they pick up during day to day life, but shouldn't be blamed on the vaccine (I mean c'mon, who in their right mind believes a vaccine caused a trial participant to get hit by a car?)

? It's just another Big Pharma Scam!
- Actually it is a very effective preventive measure against a potentially fatal disease, one or two injections can drastically reduce your chances of contracting a disease that results in hospitalisation in more than 10% of cases and at least 8% end up with major long term organ damage. So far any other preventive measure or treatment requires significantly greater investment and longer usage of that treatment.

? I don't need a vaccine, I'm not at risk
- Bully for you, but there is a non-zero chance that you actually are. If you are one of those people that would experience only mild symptoms if infected, well that's great news for you, but do spare thought to those around you who aren't so lucky. Your vaccine provided immunity and encouragement of others to do the same will be a step closer to keeping your granny/sickly wheezing nephew/immunocompromised brother/distantly related "wellness influencer" safe.

? There are no side effects so why are they so worried about people with a history of allergies? What else are they hiding?
- It's standard practice in Australia for any who has been vaccinated for anything to be asked to sit in the waiting room so they can be observed for 15 minutes, I used to think this was so they could pick people up off the floor after they fainted. But keeping them on hand in the rare event of allergic reaction, their in good place to be treated.
In case you're wondering, after administering 1.8 million doses in the USA, there were less than 25 allergic reactions requiring treatment. I'm not great with statistics but I'm pretty sure if you handed out peanuts to a million people there would be reactions in the thousands.

?50% of medical professionals are refusing to be vaccinated.
- Wow, talk about taking a headline and running with it. ONE! I repeat ONE hospital in the USA reported that up to half its nursing staff declined to be vaccinated. And really if you take in to account the number of hospital staff world wide who subscribe to a religious belief that it's against their gods will to accept anything foreign into their bodies, I'm surprised that number isn't higher.

? It's a ploy to allow Bill Gates to get a tracking device in to you
- Nope, his data collectors already get much more reliable information about you from whatever device you're reading this on.

Meh, that's all I have time for tonight.

what gassy waffle
all that typing and not one single source
everything is just your opinion
no better than a meme

Says the bloke who posts memes only...what a joke

im just saying
if you're going to call foul on someone just posting memes
then you better come correct with referenced evidence, or the gas you're emitting has the same smell you're complaining about.

What part of all that gas did you wants links for ?

Why not have a look for them yourself instead of your memes that you say are smelly ?

Hey Doc,
I didn't make any complaints about memes or lack of citing proper references.

It was late at night/early morning and I'd had a few GnT's.

Some of those numbers I pulled from memory of reading the article, but here you go www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7002e1.htm

21 cases of anaphylaxis after receiving the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine, out of 1,893,360 doses

I just didn't want to copy and paste links to the individual articles from the CDC at midnight.

So , in a nutshell, data says that there is a 1/100 000 chance of anaphylaxis with the mRNA injection (but 17/21 cases had a known history of it). If you catch Covid, there is a 10% chance of serious disease and 2% chance of death.
Any of you actual doctors (or data detectives) here know how the rate of anaphylaxis after the injection compares with the rate given by other vaccines? Also, how quickly do people recover from anaphlaxis?

Looks like you've almost got all the facts there D3. But your journal article seemed to be missing the hundreds of thousands that had reactions 'similar' to anaphylaxis requiring a day of bedrest and the first principle of medicine to do no harm. But we're definitely working our way closer to the reality of things. Of course given we were unable to cull 500,000 more than the usual three million Americans in a year I stand by my comment from the very beginning that this ****show doesn't warrant a lockdown.

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Mr Milk said..
So , in a nutshell, data says that there is a 1/100 000 chance of anaphylaxis with the mRNA injection (but 17/21 cases had a known history of it). If you catch Covid, there is a 10% chance of serious disease and 2% chance of death.
Any of you actual doctors (or data detectives) here know how the rate of anaphylaxis after the injection compares with the rate given by other vaccines? Also, how quickly do people recover from anaphlaxis?

a) less than 2 in a million - source
www.spectator.com.au/2020/12/dont-panic-about-the-covid-vaccine-allergy-risk/

b) recovery- for severe anaphylaxis depends on whether you can keep their airway open, either fairly quickly or not at all... it seems that the cases to date have been fairly mild.

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psychojoe said..
Looks like you've almost got all the facts there D3. But your journal article seemed to be missing the hundreds of thousands that had reactions 'similar' to anaphylaxis requiring a day of bedrest and the first principle of medicine to do no harm. But we're definitely working our way closer to the reality of things. Of course given we were unable to cull 500,000 more than the usual three million Americans in a year I stand by my comment from the very beginning that this ****show doesn't warrant a lockdown.

What does 'similar to anaphylaxis' mean?

"Anaphylaxis is a serious allergic reaction that is rapid in onset and may cause death. It typically causes more than one of the following: an itchy rash, throat or tongue swelling, shortness of breath, vomiting, lightheadedness, low blood pressure. These symptoms typically come on over minutes to hours."

How can you have something similar to that but only requires a day of bedrest? Sounds like BS to me. Its either anaphylaxis or its not. Having a response to a vaccine I can understand and requiring rest, but I doubt you would call that 'similar'.

Joe, I'm going to play the Docs card and ask for references on that claim.

In regards to the number of deaths. The fact that globally this pandemic is really only now hitting it's stride and the USA hospital system has reached its capacity in many areas would indicate that lots more people are going to die. Not just from Covid19, but from all those other health problems that would normally be treatable in a functioning hospital. (Using your numbers, does that mean there was a 16% jump in deaths in the USA this past 12 months?)

On the whole 'Drs must do no harm, therefore causing small numbers of people to require a day of rest means vaccinating is against the first principle of medicine', where do you think thing's like surgery, setting bones and so forth come in to that?

Edit: a quick search for the Hippocratic oath, I didn't see the phrase 'do no harm' but it did contain the phrase 'prevent disease whenever I can, as prevention is better than cure' so that seems to line up with the whole vaccination principle

With a higher weekly death toll from water activities than Covid WA 's government is now contemplating shutting down all water activities. Henceforth flushing toilets will now be banned for two weeks.

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