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TonyAbbott said..
Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy, AM, MBBS(Hons), BSc(Med), PhD, FRACP, FRCPA, one of Australia's leading clinical immunologist and a pioneer in the field of mucosal immunology (with 260 Publications), who was awarded an Order of Australia (AM) for his services to Immunology and Medicine, expressed his opinion in an article published in Quadrant, in which he stated;

* "It could be summarised that in a 'post-truth world' those with COVID-19 disease are denied safe, effective treatment which, if given early, can reduce admission to hospital and death.''

* "The data has moved on, and that science-based decisions can and must be made if lives are to be saved...."

* "Two drugs ARE effective: hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and ivermectin (IVM), with most effective trials including nutraceutical, zinc and intracellular antibiotics."

* "Denial was reinforced by bureaucrats, media and the pharmaceutical industry (which has no interest in cheap drugs without patents).''

* "With both HCQ and IVM it is the sheer number of good observational and RCT studies consistently showing protection when used early in disease that makes an irrefutable case.''

* "From uncertain beginnings, an impressive data base has more recently accumulated that strongly supports the use of HCQ and/or IVM. Their use in concert with vaccines can no longer be denied; indeed this is the only science-based option.''

quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2021/01/covid-19-a-realistic-approach-to-community-management/

Tony why do you think it is that this is being ignored by our politicians and bureaucrats?

It's not being ignored by politicians. You keep on telling us how Craig Kelly (unqual.) MP is fighting the good fight to bring this possible treatment on. He's a polly.
The pollies whose decisions matter are being advised by the medical professionals and I'm sure that they (the doctors) are quite aware of any studies going on.
Those doctors know more than you or me about what is a good idea medically and I doubt that they are running a huge conspiracy to deny people proper treatments for covid.

Gee, with anything slightly difficult, there has to be a conspiracy. I wonder how the world revolves without some intervention.... oh hang on, its a flat earth isn't it. My mistake. Carry on.

Gee, with anything slightly difficult, there has to be a conspiracy. I wonder how the world revolves without some intervention.... oh hang on, its a flat earth isn't it. My mistake. Carry on.

Lots of pics of empty freezers here on the news last night. Its not are you going to take it, its more like can you get it?
They are hoping the rollout of the Astra vaccine will be quicker and easier.
Well thats comforting to know!
They were talking about deaths from the vaccine last night too. 71 for millions of people vaccinated. Most of those were elderly and had known problems!! They are prepared to take the risk as its better than spending 2 weeks on life support in an over run hospital seems to be mentality of the ones being asked on the news.

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Mr Milk said..
It's not being ignored by politicians. You keep on telling us how Craig Kelly (unqual.) MP is fighting the good fight to bring this possible treatment on. He's a polly.
The pollies whose decisions matter are being advised by the medical professionals and I'm sure that they (the doctors) are quite aware of any studies going on.
Those doctors know more than you or me about what is a good idea medically and I doubt that they are running a huge conspiracy to deny people proper treatments for covid.

Politician is singular. The s on the end denotes plural.

He is being roundly condemned by politicians plural.

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japie said..

TonyAbbott said..
Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy, AM, MBBS(Hons), BSc(Med), PhD, FRACP, FRCPA, one of Australia's leading clinical immunologist and a pioneer in the field of mucosal immunology (with 260 Publications), who was awarded an Order of Australia (AM) for his services to Immunology and Medicine, expressed his opinion in an article published in Quadrant, in which he stated;

* "It could be summarised that in a 'post-truth world' those with COVID-19 disease are denied safe, effective treatment which, if given early, can reduce admission to hospital and death.''

* "The data has moved on, and that science-based decisions can and must be made if lives are to be saved...."

* "Two drugs ARE effective: hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and ivermectin (IVM), with most effective trials including nutraceutical, zinc and intracellular antibiotics."

* "Denial was reinforced by bureaucrats, media and the pharmaceutical industry (which has no interest in cheap drugs without patents).''

* "With both HCQ and IVM it is the sheer number of good observational and RCT studies consistently showing protection when used early in disease that makes an irrefutable case.''

* "From uncertain beginnings, an impressive data base has more recently accumulated that strongly supports the use of HCQ and/or IVM. Their use in concert with vaccines can no longer be denied; indeed this is the only science-based option.''

quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2021/01/covid-19-a-realistic-approach-to-community-management/

Tony why do you think it is that this is being ignored by our politicians and bureaucrats?

Trump Derangement Syndrome

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Mr Milk said..
It's not being ignored by politicians. You keep on telling us how Craig Kelly (unqual.) MP is fighting the good fight to bring this possible treatment on. He's a polly.
The pollies whose decisions matter are being advised by the medical professionals and I'm sure that they (the doctors) are quite aware of any studies going on.
Those doctors know more than you or me about what is a good idea medically and I doubt that they are running a huge conspiracy to deny people proper treatments for covid.

Politician is singular. The s on the end denotes plural.

He is being roundly condemned by politicians plural.

So what? As long as at least one politician is pushing it, it is not being ignored.

And TonedAbs passes on an interesting observation. Why does Ms D'Ath wear that particular designer mask?

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TonyAbbott said..

japie said..

TonyAbbott said..
Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy, AM, MBBS(Hons), BSc(Med), PhD, FRACP, FRCPA, one of Australia's leading clinical immunologist and a pioneer in the field of mucosal immunology (with 260 Publications), who was awarded an Order of Australia (AM) for his services to Immunology and Medicine, expressed his opinion in an article published in Quadrant, in which he stated;

* "It could be summarised that in a 'post-truth world' those with COVID-19 disease are denied safe, effective treatment which, if given early, can reduce admission to hospital and death.''

* "The data has moved on, and that science-based decisions can and must be made if lives are to be saved...."

* "Two drugs ARE effective: hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and ivermectin (IVM), with most effective trials including nutraceutical, zinc and intracellular antibiotics."

* "Denial was reinforced by bureaucrats, media and the pharmaceutical industry (which has no interest in cheap drugs without patents).''

* "With both HCQ and IVM it is the sheer number of good observational and RCT studies consistently showing protection when used early in disease that makes an irrefutable case.''

* "From uncertain beginnings, an impressive data base has more recently accumulated that strongly supports the use of HCQ and/or IVM. Their use in concert with vaccines can no longer be denied; indeed this is the only science-based option.''

quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2021/01/covid-19-a-realistic-approach-to-community-management/

Tony why do you think it is that this is being ignored by our politicians and bureaucrats?

Trump Derangement Syndrome

I wonder if that was the same political relic who congratulated Arden on her win last year on behalf of the "labor movement"...

A news reader gave the minister of health a pretty hard time last night.
So some of the vaccines they are hoping to have most of France vaccinated by the end of August with aren't even approved yet!!
Now we know the effectivness is nowhere near what the companies said what are the new numbers on effectivness ,how long will it take to reach heard immunity etc. He couldn't answer anything! Just kept spitting out numbers. The reporter kept saying they are numbers if the vaccines get approved and with 80-90 per cent effectiveness. We now know thats not true. What are the new numbers.
These vaccines WILL get approved the minister said???
Non approved masks are not allowed anymore??? Why now. Why have you been letting people wear non approved masks for so long? If you say people have to wear the new type of mask, FFP2 can you gaurentee there are enough to go around and we dont go through the whole there's not enough masks again. No answer.
All not very encouraging!

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theDoctor said..

Hey Brownie. I can't be bothered reading the links.
What's the go with HCQ and Ivermectin?

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D3 said..
Hey Brownie. I can't be bothered reading the links.
What's the go with HCQ and Ivermectin?

Surely you jest! HB33 will not be able to tell you anything about these and will just post up another meme or accuse you of not understanding and to 'educate yourself'.

The go with HCQ and Ivermectin is that they are not being approved. That's it! Not approved, so it must be the government trying to keep a cure from us for the virus that is meant to kill us all so that they can administer the vaccine to us that is meant to kill us all.

It's all about 'them'. No matter the problem. It's them.

The go with HCQ and Ivermectin is that they are drugs which nobody holds a patent for.

So nobody is spending as much effort to do the studies and get them approved because they won't see much return without a patent.

7 billion people in the world.

Think of the revenue if you have the patent on what you can prove to be the best drug, which requires two shots a year due to mutating virus strains.


So are they are being deliberately ignored, or just that other alternate solutions are being promoted far more because they have a much bigger financial return for the promoters ?

Are any downsides with them promoted by the other developers more than they highlight their own vaccines downsides ?


Conspiracy or just the nature of humanity ?

Hey FormulaN,


You do know that I agree with most of what you say, so I'm not trying to wind ya up but;

Do you think it will make any difference if you take the vaccine ?

Question isn't "in theory if everyone is vaccinated and it works would it make a difference", question is "in the imperfect world where the current vaccines work about as well as the yearly flu vaccines, and where you live in WA will it really make a difference if you take it ?"

I am guessing that history will show the answer is "no". In 10 or 20 years time I reckon history will say how ineffective the first generation vaccines were and how face masks, indoor filtration systems, general slight shifts in how we interact and the subsequent gen4/5/6 vaccines had a far greater affect.

Not saying I wouldn't get the jab. Just that I don't think it will make much of a difference either way. It ain't gonna allow Bill Gates to alter my DNA and it ain't gonna stop COVID anytime soon.





(oh, by the way Elgrands suck arse, moron)

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Carantoc said..
Hey FormulaN,


You do know that I agree with most of what you say, so I'm not trying to wind ya up but;

Do you think it will make any difference if you take the vaccine ?

Question isn't "in theory if everyone is vaccinated and it works would it make a difference", question is "in the imperfect world where the current vaccines work about as well as the yearly flu vaccines, and where you live in WA will it really make a difference if you take it ?"

I am guessing that history will show the answer is "no". In 10 or 20 years time I reckon history will say how ineffective the first generation vaccines were and how face masks, indoor filtration systems, general slight shifts in how we interact and the subsequent gen4/5/6 vaccines had a far greater affect.

Not saying I wouldn't get the jab. Just that I don't think it will make much of a difference either way. It ain't gonna allow Bill Gates to alter my DNA and it ain't gonna stop COVID anytime soon.





(oh, by the way Elgrands suck arse, moron)

Well, Mr Carantoc, if that indeed is your name... I take offense at your comments about Elgrands and see that you are also in WA? What's the go with that? Did you get your relocation orders from the NWO as well? I was sent here to track down one P M 3 4, but he seems to have gone underground. I drove one of the Elgrands from NSW to WA and it was very comfortable and 3 times the speed of a grey nomad.

That aside, my personal random-arse belief is that we will end up with a variant of this virus over time that will be relatively benign and displace this existing one. I even wonder if this could be engineered or would happen naturally. I mean, if you caught a virus, but never really knew you had it and it passed to everyone, would anyone stop it? Would anyone be able to stop it? Would a variant that was relatively harmless stop you from getting the bad one and it would die out? Evolution suggests that viruses that kill quickly tend to die out.

You never asked that though and asked if I thought if it would make any difference if I took the vaccine. Yes I do, but only if a large majority take it around the same time or exposure is controlled so that those exposed to it are immune.

Do we give it now to those that are most at risk, and then over time, after the rest of us have caught it or died, we end up with a population where most people are naturally immune to it? The 'new old people' having caught it earlier in their life and thus less likely to be affected by it?

After the Spanish Flu, the world would have ended up with a large number of people that were not affected too much by it, or those that were had died. We aren't going to get that this time, but can we end up with the same thing by vaccinating as many people as we can instead?

My understanding is that the 'normal' flu viruses that we see today are decendents of the Spanish Flu virus, obviously less aggressive. Will this repeat, but by a slightly different method?

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FormulaNova said..
Well, Mr Carantoc, if that indeed is your name...

Saint Carantoc. Its Saint. St Carantoc.

They never put that option on the forms though.

Mr, Mrs, Ms, Miss, Master, Dr, Professor, Reverend, Lieutenant Commander, Baron and every other conceivable title etc. etc. but never an option for us Saints.


Maybe its a conspiracy. #saintslivesmatter

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FormulaNova said..

Do we give it now to those that are most at risk, and then over time, after the rest of us have caught it or died, we end up with a population where most people are naturally immune to it? The 'new old people' having caught it earlier in their life and thus less likely to be affected by it?

Have a look at this week's New Scientist. Some people think that Sars-Cov-2 will eventually become just another childhood sniffle.
The idea comes from the observation that children don't get as severe a disease from the virus as adults do. It stays in the nose and upper respiratory tract like any old cold (it seems that there are 4 other coronaviruses that cause colds) and trains the immune response over time.

The problem is that only applies to children. For the rest of us, we might as well be the inhabitants of Amazonia who got wiped out by European viruses in the 16th century.

It might take quite a few years to reduce the vulnerability of the population of adults to the disease. Until then, take the vaccine. Think of it as just another tat, but with invisible ink.

Oh, so now you're an anti-tatter? How will we ever get you chipped?

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Mr Milk said..

It might take quite a few years to reduce the vulnerability of the population of adults to the disease. Until then, take the vaccine. Think of it as just another tat, but with invisible ink.

Oh, so now you're an anti-tatter? How will we ever get you chipped?

Yeah, its funny isn't it. Some of these people that hate vaccines are happy to get tattoos and take some natural remedies that are frowned upon.

I would suggest that it would make sense to engineer a mild version of this virus and release it into the wild, but we humans do not have a good record of success with these sorts of approaches

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Carantoc said..

FormulaNova said..
Well, Mr Carantoc, if that indeed is your name...

Saint Carantoc. Its Saint. St Carantoc.

They never put that option on the forms though.

Mr, Mrs, Ms, Miss, Master, Dr, Professor, Reverend, Lieutenant Commander, Baron and every other conceivable title etc. etc. but never an option for us Saints.


Maybe its a conspiracy. #saintslivesmatter

Dear (Saint?) Carantoc. I now know why your replies have become a bit sparse as of late. I understand now and would like to offer my condolences.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27140646#:~:text=The%20process%20to%20make%20someone,before%20they%20reach%20Catholic%20sainthood.

Has it been five years already? Heavy weather feels so long ago, but at least 5 years? Maybe that is why the 'Saint' option is not yet available on your forms? (It is a worry that most of my knowledge now seems to come from repeats of QI)

While we are waiting for that, what do you think about this?

www.businessinsider.com.au/israel-has-vaccinated-27-of-its-population-for-covid-19-2021-1?r=US&IR=T

If the Jewish people are a favorite group to blame amongst conspiracy theorists, how do they reconcile Istrael spending up big on vaccines and vaccinating a huge proportion of their population quickly? If the Jews are controlling the world, and clearly the virus must have been their work, yet they take a vaccine? It just doesn't make sense.

Does this mean that I should take the vaccine as the Jews are and they are obviously 'in the know'

or does this mean that I shouldn't take the vaccine, because vaccines are bad?

Please help me out with this one as I am starting to lose faith and think that maybe this virus thing is just nature and not a conspiracy!

Yes it is on YouTube. Odd that the fact checkers have yet to delete it!

Why is it not being hailed in the media for the miracle cure that it is?

3 cents a tablet. Reduces mortality of hospitalised patients by a factor of eight in ten.

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If it reduces mortality by a factor of 0.8 does that mean more or fewer people die?

Anyway, here's another miracle cure that will be coming to a youtuber near you soon.
www.msn.com/en-au/health/medical/covid-19-drug-made-from-sea-squirt-may-be-more-potent-than-remdesivir/ar-BB1d7nJq?ocid=msedgntp

c19ivermectin.com/?fbclid=IwAR3VIQZLXD7wd7zsZWsFtKCXMXqOjmhdD1MdK5ajJf_MA2fSmkzOT1JPXVo
hcqmeta.com/?fbclid=IwAR1KPJcLaUQjP7266se6cm8EKdaDBga8idmihHnITkIlYDl1dPJhnPDomrU

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japie said..
c19ivermectin.com/?fbclid=IwAR3VIQZLXD7wd7zsZWsFtKCXMXqOjmhdD1MdK5ajJf_MA2fSmkzOT1JPXVo
hcqmeta.com/?fbclid=IwAR1KPJcLaUQjP7266se6cm8EKdaDBga8idmihHnITkIlYDl1dPJhnPDomrU

Your second link has Trend micro indicating its use in scams.

Vaccine certificates to travel in Europe, going to be hard for the antivax brigade to go anywhere if the idea is instituted.
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/will-covid-19-vaccine-passports-in-europe-work/13098952

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airsail said..
Vaccine certificates to travel in Europe, going to be hard for the antivax brigade to go anywhere if the idea is instituted.
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/will-covid-19-vaccine-passports-in-europe-work/13098952

Perhaps that guy spamming the forum with fake drivers licenses and passports can get some vaccination certificates too

Going to have to get the T-shirt with this on it

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airsail said..
Vaccine certificates to travel in Europe, going to be hard for the antivax brigade to go anywhere if the idea is instituted.
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/will-covid-19-vaccine-passports-in-europe-work/13098952

I dont think the antivax brigade leave their closed curtained bedrooms with their computer anyways.